Concerns and Questions

I must say I find it increasingly frustrating to play this game. Not certain if it is gree's intent but continually screwing up ltm's etc. I am increasingly inclined to believe their intent is to drive players away.

We currently have a 13 hr global build event ? Really ? This is ignorant. And tomorrow we have stronghold after all we just completed stronghold yesterday.

and these new event commanders are, to be nice, excrement. Their stats stink. And we had commanders inside the previous build ltm that have long been retired. Therefore merged by the majority of players (TIBERIUS and jaguar). What is next ? Lady shadow and black scorpion in upcoming ltm?

100 level commanders and boost crates containing mech, vehicle, etc boosts can now be purchased? Only thing left to allow is to buy is BP. I am sure that is next.

And tyro and starfall around so long I imagine nearly everyone has at least one pm tyro. Which makes him USELESS, and multiple players with multiple pm starfall. Does GREE realize this makes us LESS likely to play hard for recruits that are easy to acquire ?

what are grees intentions?

Hello everyone!
I'm one of the oldest players on this game (I've started on IOS, world 1 when the 1st alliance had 250k Attack Points, because yeah, it was the name back then since we were also earning those (Battle points) when attacking NPCs) and I never stopped playing the game since. I litterally saw the evolution of the game and I feel the quality has been constantly decreasing... Not because they weren't creative (Great new events, new units etc.), but because they started focusing on the money factor instead of the general gameplay (New Bundles etc.). I'm not against those by the way because this game isn't free to run and if we want to play it for long, we need "coiners". The thing is, a game needs balance. It's nice to have people spending a ton on brand new worlds but if there's only them playing, they'll only stay in one world and they'll be fine. Why? They'll have Sbs (Megas) for themselves and they'll just play between them! At one point, they'll be maxed out and stop spending. They'll also get bored at one point and just quit. There's a lot to do to regain the trust and happiness of the casual players and I have a few suggestions that might help :

- Start creating super-worlds (Like at each new 5 worlds, a super one comes out). This would basically be a world with a ton of 34s and 38s and unlimited resources (Even titanium and Uranium patches). This is basically a world for coiners to preserve the other worlds from suffering the inequalities of the biggest wallets. Also, the global events would only be between super-worlds to keep the fairplay between the other worlds. GREE has really no restriction in those since they are "candie" worlds, which means they can add all the possible events to make money out of them.

- Start re-introducing the World Events (Alliance wars, alliance build, players war etc.). It's nice to have Global events, but when the little worlds can't participate, you eliminate those new players.

- Introducing a market between all the worlds where you could sell items for gold. This might seem like a "Coiners" idea, but the potential of it is endless.
With the new free gold given(10) each 2h30, everyone has benefits, even Gree because they'd see their Gold Sales increase!

- Introducing a Diplomacy Alliance list where Generals can declare wars/peace/neutrality with other alliances, so it's clear to everyone in the world.

- Introducing a Message to the alliance option for the Colonels and Generals. It's really a pain to send a private message to everyone...

I hope my post will be useful,
-Slayers-

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Originally Posted by Qc-Slayers

Hello everyone!
I'm one of the oldest players on this game (I've started on IOS, world 1 when the 1st alliance had 250k Attack Points, because yeah, it was the name back then since we were also earning those (Battle points) when attacking NPCs) and I never stopped playing the game since. I litterally saw the evolution of the game and I feel the quality has been constantly decreasing... Not because they weren't creative (Great new events, new units etc.), but because they started focusing on the money factor instead of the general gameplay (New Bundles etc.). I'm not against those by the way because this game isn't free to run and if we want to play it for long, we need "coiners". The thing is, a game needs balance. It's nice to have people spending a ton on brand new worlds but if there's only them playing, they'll only stay in one world and they'll be fine. Why? They'll have Sbs (Megas) for themselves and they'll just play between them! At one point, they'll be maxed out and stop spending. They'll also get bored at one point and just quit. There's a lot to do to regain the trust and happiness of the casual players and I have a few suggestions that might help :

- Start creating super-worlds (Like at each new 5 worlds, a super one comes out). This would basically be a world with a ton of 34s and 38s and unlimited resources (Even titanium and Uranium patches). This is basically a world for coiners to preserve the other worlds from suffering the inequalities of the biggest wallets. Also, the global events would only be between super-worlds to keep the fairplay between the other worlds. GREE has really no restriction in those since they are "candie" worlds, which means they can add all the possible events to make money out of them.

- Start re-introducing the World Events (Alliance wars, alliance build, players war etc.). It's nice to have Global events, but when the little worlds can't participate, you eliminate those new players.

- Introducing a market between all the worlds where you could sell items for gold. This might seem like a "Coiners" idea, but the potential of it is endless.
With the new free gold given(10) each 2h30, everyone has benefits, even Gree because they'd see their Gold Sales increase!

- Introducing a Diplomacy Alliance list where Generals can declare wars/peace/neutrality with other alliances, so it's clear to everyone in the world.

- Introducing a Message to the alliance option for the Colonels and Generals. It's really a pain to send a private message to everyone...

I hope my post will be useful,
-Slayers-

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I agree with every single point except the first one that you stated. In my opinion, creating superworlds will just cause players to move to those worlds instead of those other older worlds, causing 5 dead worlds and 1 extremely active one. It will just basically nullify the 'regular' worlds. The rest of your points are very good suggestions that would be very useful in the game.

A few concerns I have, that probably mirror others also.

1. Experimental upgrades - I recently used over 3000 power cells on 1 upgrade during which time I noticed a pattern which would be mathematically impossible to be random. 2 successes, 1 failure. Obviously the 2 successes were outweighed by the 1 failure. For ever success a player moves up 1 level, for every failure he moves down 2/3/4. This isn't a 50% success rate. At the end of the 3000 cells used I ended up where I started.

- Gree need to modify or adjust their system to reflect an actual 50% chance. At the moment it isn't.
- Why the need to drop so drastically for a failure? Why not go up 1, and drop 1 etc.

2. With the removal of personal boosts as rewards, players with high level boosts will always remain with high level personal boosts. Gree already had a "levelling of the playing field" built into personal boosts by capping them at 200% I believe.

Both the above points kind of follow the same concern. In times gone by power cells were more readily available, hence players who have been playing the game for longer mostly have high experimental upgrades. These same players, because they have been playing for longer, are also the players with higher personal boosts. The introduction of satellite parts, and increased box events has meant a decline in power cells for players like me who are stuck on level 7/8/9. The algorithm Gree uses, or computer program needs to be seriously look at. More failures than successes is not a 50% chance.

Personal boosts need to be reintroduced into rewards. There is simply no way Gree can call removing them a "levelling of the playing field", as mentioned, the levelling of the playing field already existed in capping the boost. Maybe modify the cap at 80%.

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Originally Posted by Lolsies

I agree with every single point except the first one that you stated. In my opinion, creating superworlds will just cause players to move to those worlds instead of those other older worlds, causing 5 dead worlds and 1 extremely active one. It will just basically nullify the 'regular' worlds. The rest of your points are very good suggestions that would be very useful in the game.

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It is indeed true. I reviewed what I wrote and thought it wouldn't be such a great idea in the end. What they should do instead is really reduce the number of worlds created though! I mean there are a lot of empty worlds because of that and they also become less competitve.

I am going to update this thread (after a long time, sorry about that). It'll take some time.

First off thank you GREE for bringing back boost crates as event rewards hopefully they stay as event rewards and as EVENT REWARDS ONLY. That being said on to my concern.

Our alliance has recently purchased our 15th 1% reduction training time boost. Our previous time to train 1000 artillery was 114 hours after purchasing this boost (14-15) our new training time is now 113 hours and 20 minutes (113:20:00) this is NOT a 1% reduction but merely a 0.59% reduction. 1% would take us from 114 hours to 112 hours 51 minutes and 36 seconds (112:51:36). This is the first boost I have done the math on. Have we been duped on the previous boost purchases as well??? What will be done to rectify this ?

There is diminishing return on each additional % boost. It's not additive, it's compounding.

1% off of 114hrs is well over 40 minutes.

Lary, the old boosted time was wrong. Here is the math:
No boosts
1 art = 8 min; 1000 arts = 8000 min = 133 hrs, 20 min

As someone mentioned, boosts are compounding. So, while having a 1% boost takes off 1% of the time (1% of 8000 = 80; 8000 - 80 = 7920 minutes, or 132 hours). However, 2% boost does not take 2% off of 8000 (i.e. 160 min). Adding a second boost takes off 1% of what remains after the first boost is applied. Thus, you are taking off 1% of 7920 minutes, so another 79.2 minutes (8000 - 80 - 79.2 = 7840.8, or 130 hrs, 40 min, and 48 seconds). The general formula is 8000 min * 0.99^n where n is the number of boosts you have. So, if you had 15 boosts, it's 8000 * 0.99^15, which is 6880.46, or 114 hours 40min and 28 seconds (not 114 hours even). Getting a 16th boost, the formula should be 8000 * 0.99^16, which is 6811.66 min, or 113 hrs, 31 min, and 40 seconds. If your training time is 113:20, then you are slightly ahead. I suspect that is due to rounding (my guess is GREE doesn't calculate each discount using the formula, but rather takes off 1% from the prior number and rounds down).

BC

Boston is exactly correct, it's what I was getting at (law of diminishing return) he just explained it better.

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Originally Posted by Qc-Slayers

Hello everyone!
I'm one of the oldest players on this game (I've started on IOS, world 1 when the 1st alliance had 250k Attack Points, because yeah, it was the name back then since we were also earning those (Battle points) when attacking NPCs) and I never stopped playing the game since. I litterally saw the evolution of the game and I feel the quality has been constantly decreasing... Not because they weren't creative (Great new events, new units etc.), but because they started focusing on the money factor instead of the general gameplay (New Bundles etc.). I'm not against those by the way because this game isn't free to run and if we want to play it for long, we need "coiners". The thing is, a game needs balance. It's nice to have people spending a ton on brand new worlds but if there's only them playing, they'll only stay in one world and they'll be fine. Why? They'll have Sbs (Megas) for themselves and they'll just play between them! At one point, they'll be maxed out and stop spending. They'll also get bored at one point and just quit. There's a lot to do to regain the trust and happiness of the casual players and I have a few suggestions that might help :

- Start creating super-worlds (Like at each new 5 worlds, a super one comes out). This would basically be a world with a ton of 34s and 38s and unlimited resources (Even titanium and Uranium patches). This is basically a world for coiners to preserve the other worlds from suffering the inequalities of the biggest wallets. Also, the global events would only be between super-worlds to keep the fairplay between the other worlds. GREE has really no restriction in those since they are "candie" worlds, which means they can add all the possible events to make money out of them.

- Start re-introducing the World Events (Alliance wars, alliance build, players war etc.). It's nice to have Global events, but when the little worlds can't participate, you eliminate those new players.

- Introducing a market between all the worlds where you could sell items for gold. This might seem like a "Coiners" idea, but the potential of it is endless.
With the new free gold given(10) each 2h30, everyone has benefits, even Gree because they'd see their Gold Sales increase!

- Introducing a Diplomacy Alliance list where Generals can declare wars/peace/neutrality with other alliances, so it's clear to everyone in the world.

- Introducing a Message to the alliance option for the Colonels and Generals. It's really a pain to send a private message to everyone...

I hope my post will be useful,
-Slayers-

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I agree you super worlds idea needs work, but the idea of moving worlds is not far from the mark. The way its done has to be carefully planned, if gree reshuffled players every now and again so they rank them via a system then offered them a move to a world full of players of the same rank. Every now and then. These mini reboots will keep the game fresh.

I see these reboot's as this.
All players get reset to just a home base but keep everything else. Cores upgrades commanders invents items....
We chose if we want to move world on our own, or as an alliance majority vote if alliance choice is chosen.
Or remain in our world.
The game then reshuffles players into new worlds based on their ranking into worlds full of players similar to them.
These reshuffles need to be somehow optional. Players must chose to enter the reshuffle system. Then when the game does a reshuffle they get auto included.
There needs to be Some system of telling players how many active players there old world will have after the next reshuffle. So players will see what will happen if they opt out.
I can say from experience that new starts are fun the scramble to the top to build units setup new bases in good locations. I would be happy with a reset every 3 or 4 months especially if I get to stay in my alliance. And the results is a world full of players at my level.
I am sure there are other ways to do this but anything along these lines would go a long way.

well great.. forcing update, i cant play due to my device not having the correct IOS due to age... thanks for that.
other device connected to game, started tutoral, found the account then sits at logging in saying no connection

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Originally Posted by Drifting death

I agree you super worlds idea needs work, but the idea of moving worlds is not far from the mark. The way its done has to be carefully planned, if gree reshuffled players every now and again so they rank them via a system then offered them a move to a world full of players of the same rank. Every now and then. These mini reboots will keep the game fresh.

I see these reboot's as this.
All players get reset to just a home base but keep everything else. Cores upgrades commanders invents items....
We chose if we want to move world on our own, or as an alliance majority vote if alliance choice is chosen.
Or remain in our world.
The game then reshuffles players into new worlds based on their ranking into worlds full of players similar to them.
These reshuffles need to be somehow optional. Players must chose to enter the reshuffle system. Then when the game does a reshuffle they get auto included.
There needs to be Some system of telling players how many active players there old world will have after the next reshuffle. So players will see what will happen if they opt out.
I can say from experience that new starts are fun the scramble to the top to build units setup new bases in good locations. I would be happy with a reset every 3 or 4 months especially if I get to stay in my alliance. And the results is a world full of players at my level.
I am sure there are other ways to do this but anything along these lines would go a long way.

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I thought this idea might not work, but considering how this Global Lockbox event is going, it makes perfect sense. We clearly see there's a huge gap between the "free" play and the "pay" play. GREE has to consider making some sort of rank like you say because we are about to be flooded with monster commanders that will basically eliminate even the best commanders we used to have. The competition will be ruined.

such things need to be discouraged not encouraged tbh.
16 recruits that give the same commander?
and as for global box events? please, on server based one, i get 5-6 boxes i win stuff.. here i do the same.. and will win nothing
only thing worth doing the lockboxes for is the oddball heroic commanders (why have they got +3s)

Sats have been a great addition till you stopped the ability to get the core items to build Sats.... any idea when essential Sat parts will be available again

my units at outpost alpha on server 4 have been stuck for 16 hours

Updating thread again, work was momentarily paused.

Posted this ages ago, but i've been talking about this with quite a lot of people and all like the idea:

Create a world with a monthly subscription fee ($10 or whatever) but no gold/coining.

This would re-create the early game experience but at the fairly low-paced speed the game was originally designed for. You'd probably have to tune down the event rewards substantially and increase them gradually again as the world gets older.

The upside would be a well-defined fixed income from that world. Subscribers leaving or entering the world would be a clear indication on how well received any changes are.

This business model would introduce some stability, both in-game but also in the paying customer base.

So far I've met no one who had anything bad to say about this idea. We all know how addictive this game is so a free first month would probably get a whole bunch of subrscibers hooked up right away :)

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Originally Posted by ThisGameSucks

Posted this ages ago, but i've been talking about this with quite a lot of people and all like the idea:

Create a world with a monthly subscription fee ($10 or whatever) but no gold/coining.

This would re-create the early game experience but at the fairly low-paced speed the game was originally designed for. You'd probably have to tune down the event rewards substantially and increase them gradually again as the world gets older.

The upside would be a well-defined fixed income from that world. Subscribers leaving or entering the world would be a clear indication on how well received any changes are.

This business model would introduce some stability, both in-game but also in the paying customer base.

So far I've met no one who had anything bad to say about this idea. We all know how addictive this game is so a free first month would probably get a whole bunch of subrscibers hooked up right away :)

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I completely agree with this. The freemium model makes sense in a single-player game, but in a multi-player game a subscription model makes a ton more sense. I bet you the top players from every world would love to get a chance to play a competitive game against the best from elsewhere.

BC

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Originally Posted by ThisGameSucks

Posted this ages ago, but i've been talking about this with quite a lot of people and all like the idea:

Create a world with a monthly subscription fee ($10 or whatever) but no gold/coining.

This would re-create the early game experience but at the fairly low-paced speed the game was originally designed for. You'd probably have to tune down the event rewards substantially and increase them gradually again as the world gets older.

The upside would be a well-defined fixed income from that world. Subscribers leaving or entering the world would be a clear indication on how well received any changes are.

This business model would introduce some stability, both in-game but also in the paying customer base.

So far I've met no one who had anything bad to say about this idea. We all know how addictive this game is so a free first month would probably get a whole bunch of subrscibers hooked up right away :)

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Interesting. I'm adding that, thank you for your feedback.

and once again i bring up the lack of confirm box.... one bit of lag and i accidentally instant build 500 helicopters using up 1200 gold.

and is there any reason why the box event rewards are now terrible?

I'm completely unable to chat, when I click the chat box and attempt to type anything it simply selects a message within the chat box.

There is a confirmation setting for units in your settings, but none for buildings.

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and once again i bring up the lack of confirm box.... one bit of lag and i accidentally instant build 500 helicopters using up 1200 gold.

and is there any reason why the box event rewards are now terrible?

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Where has holdout gone? It's a favorite event of many and hasn't been seen lately.

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Where has holdout gone? It's a favorite event of many and hasn't been seen lately.

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Gree canceled it because it's not making enough money...

Well said. The first freemium apps were made for single player games for those who did not want to spend so much time but wish to progress faster in the game. That is fine in a single player game cos you are just playing with yourself. In a multiplayer game, a freemium model just means whoever spends more will outdo his competitors. It is again fine if a ceiling/cap that can be realistically reached is imposed, but not when otherwise.

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Originally Posted by bostoncard

I completely agree with this. The freemium model makes sense in a single-player game, but in a multi-player game a subscription model makes a ton more sense. I bet you the top players from every world would love to get a chance to play a competitive game against the best from elsewhere.

BC

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Originally Posted by Kerean

Well said. The first freemium apps were made for single player games for those who did not want to spend so much time but wish to progress faster in the game. That is fine in a single player game cos you are just playing with yourself. In a multiplayer game, a freemium model just means whoever spends more will outdo his competitors. It is again fine if a ceiling/cap that can be realistically reached is imposed, but not when otherwise.

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this is why the game is failing, most game makers of multiplayer strategy games stick to one basic rule don't give gold players anything that the freemium players cannot get in time. Clash of clans is one good example their is zero content that a gold player can have that a non gold player cannot get in time ( all be it a very long time ....) Gree failed to follow that one basic rule which is why worlds are drying up new players cannot catch up because gold players ( big players that win events) have content they will never have. Gree got greedy and made players greedy as well now they expect fantastic new commanders from every event that 95% of the players will never get. The basic structure of the game has been rotten for 2 years or more and their is no way to fix it, it can be improved but the basics can only be patched up, worlds that rank players will help a lot, but the flawed basic structure will always rot the game. Gree if you want to fix things in this game start new worlds that stick to the one unbreakable rule no content that is limited or only available in events, and all content has to be collectable over time. No super rare commander types or one off items that freemium players can never get.... Find ways to pay for the game from other systems speed boosts from advert clicking subscriptions for improved UI overlays, these are all in other games....

I am not sure if this will be seen, but I think that the Cross World Event (XWorld) would be a much more enjoyable event if you could restrict the "Declare War" button to a Captain rank or above. Our alliance (and I doubt we are alone) suffers from "mystery" button pushers. Keeping it to the high level ranks would allow for better control from leadership and keep trigger happy newbies from entering war. This seems like it would be easy to enact and I imagine most would appreciate it.

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I am not sure if this will be seen, but I think that the Cross World Event (XWorld) would be a much more enjoyable event if you could restrict the "Declare War" button to a Captain rank or above. Our alliance (and I doubt we are alone) suffers from "mystery" button pushers. Keeping it to the high level ranks would allow for better control from leadership and keep trigger happy newbies from entering war. This seems like it would be easy to enact and I imagine most would appreciate it.

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Hi Brad!
Welcome to the forums! :)

Very good suggestion! Thanks for posting.

Yes, we see all, hehe! ;)

Since the update the server keeps resetting every 2 or 3 mins. That means self jeeping, typing messages, launching multiple attacks, defending against ports and anything that requires you staying in a certain screen are now impossible to do.

The server resets, the screen you are in drops to the main game screen and the game freezes for upto 30 seconds each time.

Didn't happen before the update, can this be sorted out?

Yes boxes are harder to get, have been for a while. Why don't we go back to the good old days where we had to win our coms, not buy them. there is a proven record that you made money with the old system. Box exents, build's with Limiteds, aiance builds with and w/i ltms. and the other events as well, and please go back to waiting for next day to start new event. Burning out players, we do have a life outside of WoN. Fix this please or I for 1, will be retiring from game. 16.6 bil bp is enough I guess...

win comms? boxes are the worst RNG things ever
1 server i get 5, others 1.. in the same timeframe.
and now the game doesn't even log in

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win comms? boxes are the worst RNG things ever
1 server i get 5, others 1.. in the same timeframe.
and now the game doesn't even log in

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It was a server maintenance.

yes maintenance which lasted 12+ hours

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It was a server maintenance.

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You don't really believe that do you? An outage that happened just after one of the biggest rewards glitches the game has seen, which included a roll back, is maintenance?

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...er-Maintenance

That's how we would expect to find out about maintenance.

I would like to know why my box rewards that I opened along with the glitch boxes too and merged coms together ect has now left me missing my box event rewards.... And the compensation is pathetic....
I was one of the few who got to open my glitch items b4 the server died yet they all got taken back along with my box event coms😡...

I don't see how gree can justify taking items off me that I opened when last major glitch I wasn't on for and guys lvld all there ops cc to 15 including most buildings and mines..... And also managed to gain res from canceling upgrades into the millions of individual res...
How can u justify that not warrenting a roll back but this did😳
Oh and just a personal fk u more from gree to me was the compensation for the upgrade glitch they gave to everyone anyway so basically rewarded guys for using the glitch last time😔
And the half price upgrade cpl of days was a fkn joke I couldn't lvl cc mines and buildings all at once.... Seriously if u are going to make the effort to compensate ur fk ups at least have a think about who it might of affected the most and make it a fair compensation

It's called "maintenance" just for PR so in case Apple asks they will say "Oh its maintenance, we informed users" and sweep it under the carpet.

Truth is the server went down because it got badly hacked.

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You don't really believe that do you? An outage that happened just after one of the biggest rewards glitches the game has seen, which included a roll back, is maintenance?

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...er-Maintenance

That's how we would expect to find out about maintenance.

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Server just went down with no prior announcement (22:10 CET). How about announcing server maintenance and not just pull the plug whenever you feel like it?

There is already an in game feature (daily supply drop) that pops up a message. How about using that to give 5 minute warnings for unscheduled maintenance? Just a thought.

We need a buff to the droprate of materials needed to upgrade comms: Metal Scrap, Microchips and Salvage Batteries.

First of all its absolutly horrible, that you implementet a change which benifit players not being team-players. We Expect people to donate ALL stuff they dont need, so most of our players have 0 of these materials in stock. Players NOT donating will have a huge stockpile and can upgrade coms.

Regarding the needed buff.

I capped 109 Npc in a range from NPC14 to NPC30 today and the following dropped:
3 Scrap Metal
3 Microchips
1 Salvage Battery

With current droprates you need 10s of 1000s of caps to upgade the comms. Yes - we can just coin the ****, but why keep making changes to the game which more or less dosent make it worth playing?