I cant believe you said that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaviar
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I cant believe you said that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaviar
Aim bots just scan for data and send data to your pointer. Its not cheating if u still have to click right? CHEATERS!
Luckily at least three members of rogue openly admit to using these methods. Not to hard to prove when they admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebels
Either someone is hacking gree or someone who works for gree is letting this out and if its someone whos hacking whos to say that they can't hack your ip address or your account information?
they dont encrypt. there is no hacking as far as accessing data that isnt already being sent to you, but it is data yku are not supposed to see.
It's also an invasion of privacy. Some might not care but others might not want everyone knowing if and how much they have spent on this game
If a program had to be developed and used to capture the data as indicated by Matt Thomas then a hack occurred.
There are many applications of such a program that can be used to gain an advantage. Some outlined by montecore in response to the email MT sent to me. Regardless the information that they are able to harvest is not their business even if in their arrogance they justify the action by self appointing themselves to police crime city accounts.
Further I find it amazing that not only do they not see that they are wrong but rather they seem to be proud of their ability to hack accounts. Peppers had no problem admitting that rogues used the program on gree's own public forum. Matt Thomas detailed how the program worked via email to me and finally Beardy used it to gain my information and in a stroke of brilliance decided it was prudent to post the results on my wall.....all because I robbed him and he lost when trying to attack me back. Happy to say that beardy's ineptness earned him either a ban or a frozen account so gree will take action. I am interested to see if the admissions by pepper and MT will be dealt with in the same way.
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Originally Posted by Green Drake
You are lucky I had someone post everything on my wall and GREE did nothing
please don't put this on the players .. at least don't put gree's incompetence on smarties .. i don't personally recommend doing any of that type of stuff but i do laugh in gree's face when they can't handle their own shoot. each new update breaks the game into pieces .. each new "feature" introduced in this game brings a swarm of bugs and glitches and then their nerdy geeks post useless explanations that they are on it .. is there anything gree can do without using the word "sorry"? frankly, i'm tired of this game because of tens of events .. the game's broken .. glitches and bugs and what not .. then if someone finds their way into gree's butt, they're called out cheaters .. how's that fair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebels
This is just data that is sent from the server to keep the GUI displaying the proper data. There really isn't anything that can be used maliciously or against somebody. This is the same thing that every server/client game does nowadays. There doesn't really need to be encryption since the data is sent to a PHP socket, and it would check the data. The game doesn't call the methods on the device and then change data on the server, it simply tells the server the method and location and modify values, then sends the new values on the next update.Quote:
Originally Posted by montecore
Example: Instead of calculating the money from the job you just completed, it calculates the money based on something like jobComplete([area], [areaID], [job], [jobID]) and on the secure server connection it then modifies the values on your profile. If the game were to calculate the return value for the money before opening a connection to server, then there'd be the vulnerability for an attack by modifying the un-encrpyted data before it reaches the server.
So yes, it should be encrypted. I think everything should be encrypted. Is it going to make much of a difference in this case? Not in my opinion. Most of the data actually accessible to the player can't really be abused.
Wow. Just wow. I guess I am just blown away how some people will attempt to justify this as being acceptable. Ultimately I feel using an outside program to gather, copy and maintain databases on individuals violates multiple portions of the terms of service set forth by gree. But ultimately these violations are the sole discretion of gree. So rather than locking this thread I for one would like a representative from gree to chime in on exactly where the company stands regarding the collection of data, or at least my data by parties that are not myself or gree.
Please, Sirius, CJ, A&F will one of you please contribute what the companies position is exactly on this issue?
And whoever is collecting the data should be able to see how much gold they have on hand and how much they spent for what purpose exactly?
1. GREE really must encrypt their data! This isn't a free flash game you play to pass time (anonymously), serious harm can be done to us users if GREE fail to secure their game (just imagine if they also handled your credit card information!!).
2. This information was NOT meant to be public or it would be visible in every hood plain for all to see.
3. There are many ways in which this information can be used to gain an advantage in the game, but point 2 above should be reason enough to handle this issue accordingly (see point 4).
4. Who ever discovered this security issue AND decided to utilize it, and who ever else is/was using it is not playing a fair game and should be handled as a hacker/cheater/glitcher.
Question to GREE: What are you doing to fix this?? Why is this security hole still open when it's been public for a long time already?
I've been curious about this database for a while now, and once had started a very long thread about it, which gave one poor guy a permanent vacation when he tried to explain the difference between reading data and UDID hacking (the kind of real hacking done to my friend Baddad's account). This is what I have found out so far. And, since everyone seems to like numbered lists, I'll even use numbers.
1. That a top syndicate, that is higher than second, has a data reader.
2. That a self proclaimed smug syndicate has a data reader.
3. SAS first created their own data reader program, but the guy who made it left for Rogues, but has since left Rogues and is now MIA.
4. That you "register" online to become a part of the data-reader created in SAS.
5. That last I heard (and I heard this very very recently), the leader of a top syndicate who are a bunch of very noisy hired killers, is still a registered user of this database.
6. A certain narcissistic, hypocritical, tiger-loving blow hard, who presents himself as holier than thou, was also a registered user of this database, first created by SAS.
And, in case anyone else would like to change the subject, I think I'll have FISHSTICKS for dinner tonight. Look, I used ALLCAPS again.
It seems to me that this data capture represents a form of cheating..........gaining an unfair advantage with information it was never intended should be available. Anyone involved should be banned from the game.
If you are going to argue that nothing is wrong with it because it doesn't involve modifying or hacking game code, then presumably you sanction the time travelling cheats as well........after all they don't modify or hack code to gain their unfair advantage.