Ridiculous Raids

Just to update this popular thread;

New data including 'Divisions' is currently being incorporated into MW..

.......and GREE has no comment on the content of this thread.

SMH.

its official I can raid people with defense 3x my attack! lol :)

But I did fail ONCE out of 15x ;)

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

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When did that change?

This isn't a change; this is still the original design.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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You have got to be kidding....this may be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read.

I will withhold the rest of what I am thinking

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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Thank you for your clarification on this one. May I please ask why are we loosing units pretty badly when those units are not part of defense buildings. Something has definitely changed in past few weeks. It was not like this previously.

Thank you Tadaah.

Trolls will see your response to this thread as an 'insult to their intelligence', or, 'another cookie-cutter response'.

...those of us looking for answers just got it. Thank you for that!

Tadaaah, I'm pretty sure you're thinking of some other game. In Modern War, we have attack stats in the billions and building defenses in the single digits to maybe thousands. Building defense has been negligible at best for over 2 years. Our ability to block raids IS directly related to overall defense.

However something changed a few days ago. It used to be that you could be raided by someone whose attack is 80% of your defense. Now their attack only needs to be around 30-40% of your defense. With the major Attack stat advantage everyone has, now even the strongest people can get raided by VERY weak players.

AND the popup shows the players defense stat NOT the buildings stats.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

This isn't a change; this is still the original design.

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You're wrong. Now please have your button pushers revert back to whatever it was before they got cute with this change. Or tell us that it won't so we can make sure another block of gold isn't purchased as stats no longer matter. My 2.5:1 attack to defense ratio will keep me alive in this game longer than gree has lights on.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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How do I add skill points to my buildings? (I'll let this sink in a little. I don't think i need to explain why I'm asking)

Def wrong. I would try to raid someone. Yes they had a higher def by like 800mil. Everytime my attack raised I would try and LOSE everytime. But now all the sudden I can beat him and his def is now over 1bil stronger then my attack. So taadah your full of crap. Y'all need to look into this alittle but more

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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If that was the case, please explain what use are player defense stats for?

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

This isn't a change; this is still the original design.

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Come on Tadaaah! Stop with the nonsense.

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Originally Posted by warraw

May contact iTunes? DO IT MAN!

Just got raided by someone who's attack is 1.2 billion lower than my def. LOL

What a joke Gree is starting to be.

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my faction mate with 1.2bill attack just raided successfully against a SUP guy with 3.6 billion def..

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

This isn't a change; this is still the original design.

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It's not. Why is it so hard to get a mod that actually plays this game?

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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Just make it Attack vs Defence none of this Building defence vs Attack as it makes no sense. And it's not rewarding people who have invested in your company.

Mod is right. Nothing has changed.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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Really??? World Domination has ALWAYS determined the winner by comparing attacker's attack stats against defender's defense stats. Mods, in case you didn't know it yet, no where in the results screen does it show building defense stats. Yes, there are times when there are close calls and Gree has always argued that the skill points are at work and there is a bit of randomness as part of the secret sauce. This WD is going to be interesting if everyone can win every attack, no matter how much higher the defense stats are for the defender compared to the attacker's attack stats. And by interesting, I mean pissed off customers.

Mods really need to familiarize themselves with the games they are moderating. Play the game once in a while so it doesn't make you look stupid when you give out dumb responses.

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Originally Posted by MAD NUGGETT

Mod is right. Nothing has changed.

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Maybe...
Stat inflation made defense buildings without any meaning.

But raid report shows clearly player's defense value.
We all expects that player's attacik VS player's defense will be counted.

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Originally Posted by MAD NUGGETT

Mod is right. Nothing has changed.

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The community is right. You're a blinkin idiot.

Ohh it's about building defence now huh?

So you're saying if someone with 1 billion def stats has 0 defense buildings, a player with 100k attack will beat him?

LOL

Go on digging a deeper grave GREE.

Have i seriously just read a mod tell us nothing has changed!
Are you kidding me!!!! Is there anyone working at gree that isnt on work experience?

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

This isn't a change; this is still the original design.

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Rubbish. Something is broken and you need to fix it. I am sick of being raided by players with less than half attack to my defence, people spent real life, hard earned money to build stats, and now literally anyone can raid anyone. You have some seriously unhappy customers, player appreciation month? I don't think so. Maybe you should actually listen to us

R

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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This is a change, before it was based off the players def. Anywho wanna post all the building def stats for money buildings? And since we all have billions of ATTACK how do yall plan to make it so we can fend of raids?

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Originally Posted by warraw

Ohh it's about building defence now huh?

So you're saying if someone with 1 billion def stats has 0 defense buildings, a player with 100k attack will beat him?

LOL

Go on digging a deeper grave GREE.

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It isn't based off the def buildings a player has it is off the def the building it self has. Every money building has built in def stats. This pretains to just raids. So no in your case player B with 100k stats couldn't beat player A with zero def buildings on a "ATTACK".

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Just for some clarification:

When you raid another player, it is your player Attack versus the other player's Building defense. This is not Player A's Attack Versus Players B's defense.

As always, we are always welcome to feedback and looking for more ways to make this more obvious to the player, maintain balance, and create better gaming experience. Thank you all for your input here and it has been noted by the development team.

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What's "Building Defense"? Buildings have no defense stat, and specific defense buildings are designed to add extra defense to the player's defense stat only to the buildings in their perimeter, but they are so outdated that the best non-gold one adds 75 defense points. As you should know, the reward for the last FLTQ masters event was a unit with attack over 6,000,000, so those are exactly useless.

Also, when you raid someone's building (attack a building), the "Raid Results" screen shows the player's defense stat and all his/her defense units. Nothing anywhere in the game suggests that buildings have inherent defense stat values.

Modern War is not like other games where buildings have their own hit point values. The player's defense stat defends every building on his/her base with the math being something like if your attack stat is at least 1/3 - 1/2 of the defender's defense stat, the raid has x% chance of being successful, with the % being closer to 100% the closer your atk stat is to their defense stat. And with the higher stats we see these days, that % is marginalized to ineffectiveness.

Well said Kefa! Can you add pictures so the halfwits running the game can get the basics. 😂
Basically any gold you have purchased was a total waste!

Gree at its finest. Answering questions with no answer at all. No wonder you call yourself tadahhh. "Look over here at my deception, not over there at reality".

In theory, this is the beginning of the end. The game has now run its course and is being buried into the ground.

IPH is no longer important. The only point to build IPH is to have money to buy units with stats that are now worthless. Stats help you compete in WD to earn units and bonuses that are now worthless. You can also buy FL units with your IPH, which enables you to compete in FL to earn units/bonuses with stats that are now worthless. You can now afford to fight all those epic bosses to earn great prizes...which are now worthless as well. The moment has come where stats have no meaning, which means the game is over. There is no such thing as a building defense that can repel the crazy stats that are now considered normal.

Truth be told, I think I'm actually happy this happened. It has ruined the game to the point that only free players will continue to play. Once that happens, the plug will be pulled forever. It makes it that much easier for the masses to finally get off this addictive drug of a game. From this point forward, every building of mine that is raided will not be repaired. I will collect only what can be collected with the "collect all" button. At least that way I'm not giving away all my hard work to those that didn't bother to earn or pay for it. End rant. :)

Thought I would log in and see if Gree had responded yet to the death of the game. I see they missed it. Kind of a pity our faction was starting to actually play organized to bad there's no place to go and nothing to do anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kefa

What's "Building Defense"? Buildings have no defense stat, and specific defense buildings are designed to add extra defense to the player's defense stat only to the buildings in their perimeter, but they are so outdated that the best non-gold one adds 75 defense points. As you should know, the reward for the last FLTQ masters event was a unit with attack over 6,000,000, so those are exactly useless.

Also, when you raid someone's building (attack a building), the "Raid Results" screen shows the player's defense stat and all his/her defense units. Nothing anywhere in the game suggests that buildings have inherent defense stat values.

Modern War is not like other games where buildings have their own hit point values. The player's defense stat defends every building on his/her base with the math being something like if your attack stat is at least 1/3 - 1/2 of the defender's defense stat, the raid has x% chance of being successful, with the % being closer to 100% the closer your atk stat is to their defense stat. And with the higher stats we see these days, that % is marginalized to ineffectiveness.

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Post so good it needed to be bumped so Tadaaah dont miss it....

How can Gree say nothing has changed when SO many are complaining about it!!! We want answers Gree!! We pay real money for this game, so as consumers please detail exactly how this new issue is occurring! Not your standard cookie cutter answer you have sent to me three times but a real answer, hell,go balls out and create a new thread!!! Just answer us PLEASE!!!!!!!

Because we have never known how the mechanics of the game work, Gree can change then at any time with no notice and no information. I still think it's asking us to swallow a pretty huge pill to pretend nothing was changed.

It was fun being able to raid some huge cash until I realized it had no value in game anyway. Had some fun times over the years in this game. I guess it's called suicide when a game implodes like this.

R.I.P. Modern war.

Who has gotten money back so far?

I know I have. I hope everyone else does the same.

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Originally Posted by warraw

The community is right. You're a blinkin idiot.

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The community is misinformed as usual..

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Originally Posted by Kefa

What's "Building Defense"? Buildings have no defense stat, and specific defense buildings are designed to add extra defense to the player's defense stat only to the buildings in their perimeter, but they are so outdated that the best non-gold one adds 75 defense points. As you should know, the reward for the last FLTQ masters event was a unit with attack over 6,000,000, so those are exactly useless.

Also, when you raid someone's building (attack a building), the "Raid Results" screen shows the player's defense stat and all his/her defense units. Nothing anywhere in the game suggests that buildings have inherent defense stat values.

Modern War is not like other games where buildings have their own hit point values. The player's defense stat defends every building on his/her base with the math being something like if your attack stat is at least 1/3 - 1/2 of the defender's defense stat, the raid has x% chance of being successful, with the % being closer to 100% the closer your atk stat is to their defense stat. And with the higher stats we see these days, that % is marginalized to ineffectiveness.

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Actually, every building has its own defense stat. Remember when I first started and I was posting the Limited Time Building and posted one with the upgrades along the Defense stat? Everyone was asking "Is this a defense building?" even though it wasn't. Yea, it's that stat.

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...ocorp-Research

This is the thread. People were asking about the defense. This is the defense referred to in Raiding. When you raid a building it goes against the Building's defense. When you attack a player in PvP or other such events such as World Domination, that is when you are facing the Player's stat.

With that being said, we can understand the confusion as per the statement in your middle paragraph. We'll discuss ways to make this more clear.

Does this help clarify some of this confusion?

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

Actually, every building has its own defense stat. Remember when I first started and I was posting the Limited Time Building and posted one with the upgrades along the Defense stat? Everyone was asking "Is this a defense building?" even though it wasn't. Yea, it's that stat.

http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...ocorp-Research

This is the thread. People were asking about the defense. This is the defense referred to in Raiding. When you raid a building it goes against the Building's defense. When you attack a player in PvP or other such events such as World Domination, that is when you are facing the Player's stat.

With that being said, we can understand the confusion as per the statement in your middle paragraph. We'll discuss ways to make this more clear.

Does this help clarify some of this confusion?

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Could you make it more obvious how much defense buildings have, then? In raids at least.

Less than a month ago your defense is what mattered in raids. So the game has changed. In theory, a level 10 player could raid a level 300 players building defense stats are nothing.