You probably haven't been a gold spender very long if you thought you'd get your gold bonus before or during war. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTruthIsOutThere_1
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You probably haven't been a gold spender very long if you thought you'd get your gold bonus before or during war. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTruthIsOutThere_1
Yet another step in the wrong direction for Gree, and Crime City. From what I've read I can say this change has been received rather negatively (not surprised). The apathy expressed by mods on this topic feels cold and uncaring. Either way, I will enjoy my free game as I always have. :cool: I wonder how you will top this Gree? Something tells me I won't have to wait long to figure that out.
I personally have hit the 15,000 gold bonus every month and when I think about spending that kind of money on a game, it's absolutely stupid. I know a lot of people spend more but I'm not considered a small spender and I compete all the events and finish top 20 every war. I have 22,000 gold in the bank. Once it's gone, I may not buy anymore. If a physical business with a store front treated its customers like this, they would be gone in a matter of months. I know you say you have the right to make changes at anytime gree, but to change it in the middle of a month is absolutely rediculous. All I ever see see from you gree is either high inflation or sever scaling back. Why can't we just ride along and play without screwing something up every month... After thousands and thousands spent, you finally pushed me to an end of a game I truly loved. I will still play of course, but it will be in free mode. this might only be 1100$ a month for your company but its a lot of dam money on a mobile phone game....
As someone said, new ps4 and Xbox one soon :)
Agreed. Highly unethical and despicable to make such changes in-flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppers
I have no qualms with the changes, just the way they are implemented.
just spend within your means and enjoy the ride. If you're too pissed off, play free or just walk away.
I'm sure everyone who sent in a ticket has received the canned Gree response by now. I'm sure the reason they asked you to put "Gold Bonus" in the ticket's title was to help them get their form letter out to everyone as quickly as possible.
I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the game was unbalanced because of the bonus program, and how this particular change somehow restores balance. Best as I can tell, the people willing to spend $5k a month remain unaffected, as do the people who were never in the program. The people feeling the crunch are those in the $500-$2k range. I can't for the life of me figure out how squeezing that middle tier of players somehow restores balance. All I can see it doing is unbalance the game further between the big money players and everyone else.
Maybe a mod can post an explanation of this imbalance "fix" in this thread. That would be something.
seems that every change angers somebody.....this one applies to a group of elite players and they'll still be elite....numbers will change, positions won't
Probably bundles with a top of the line game for less than the first tier here, and on top of that, for less than a vault, you can buy another controller, and play with a friend. Imagine the joy you will have. Every 3 weeks you can buy a new game for less than the cost of a vault and guess what? You'll have an actual asset in the end. Those games can be traded and sold back, as can the system itself. Not to mention its a blu Ray, Internet machine with the ability to do so much more...Quote:
Originally Posted by SNEAKERJUNKY
Tapping into submission here...
I believe they are called shareholders.Quote:
Originally Posted by sl.aus
http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/03/so...200-employees/
True. For the sake of sound business and transparency, GREE has crossed the line here. You don't announce the change after many of players have made the transactions relying on the already existing rules. Sure, GREE has the right to change the Bonus Program anytime, but must be fair and transparent business practice. And with this one GREE loses the case!!Quote:
Originally Posted by newtonpa
Such a brilliant point. And totally right!!! Hold buying gold and consider spending the money on:
- PS4
- Handing it to an old lady who's rummaging around at the bottom of her purse so she can treat herself and her husband to a couple of pork chops
- Placing it into a local charity where your donation makes a massive difference to them as they struggle to treat, home and feed abandoned or abused animals
- Feeding your kids, treating the wife/husband, anything that enhances/enriches the more tangible aspects of your life
... or of course you could always just continue throwing your money to a bunch of shareholders and staffies that don't give you a fair hearing, product or service.
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Originally Posted by DannyD
Hmmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILikeTheAbuse
I don't know what the GREE gold bonus change has to do with helping you find the ideal bra :confused:
:D
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/3632:JP
At the top of the page, you'll note Gree's one year return is an ode to the 2008 financial crisis.
Half way down the page shows the income statement. Just look at the line representing profit margin. Wow... Anyone up for some skiing?
GREE what are you guys doing???
It makes now sense how many bad secessions can you make ?????
I don't understand what you are thinking ...how will this help it only drives the best away
Kamikaze stuff Danny. Makes you wonder when they'll pull the plug on the game.
... this latest change to Gold bonuses is the extra reason I needed to get back to free gaming.
Thanks for saving me USD2000 p/m Gree. You're the best.
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Originally Posted by DannyD
I feel bad for all the friends I have met in CC that seem to keep getting screwed by GREE. Great post DannyD.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyD
This game is very fun, but watching its management is like watching a train wreck.
Stfu. 10-0 Loser! 👊👊😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
And just to rub it in I just received $10,000 on a scratcher! Haha!! thanks Gree!
If you agree to this you do it because you do not have an option. So please do not expect too much applause for your genorosity of not cancelling the whole program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
But how can you announce such a substantial change on the 9th? You know excatly that people bought gold already and some did it to hit a certain tier. The lucky ones are those who spend not more than 500$ or those who spend 10,000$. The latter seem to be a minority...
You have been bashed for poor customer support in the past but this is a new level to say F**K you to your customers.
good luck GREE, you will need it with your business sense...
A&F and CJ you have not explained why the tiers have been changed...is it because GREEs financial situation? You will loose a lot of players because of this. Perhaps that's what you want? CC has an old platform and you have a lot of new games...you want CC to die and the players to move to other games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
But I have quitted the games so I don't really care any more...but for the remaining CC community this is a heavy blow.
For the record Gree claim they can change the bonus program at any time so you have to think whats next. According to the terms of service when you download the game on iphone and android they can also remove all your items from the game, ban you from the game, remove the gold on hand as well without any notice or reason specified.
Makes you wonder what is next.
Makes you wonder what's in it for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Torgue
Driving paying customers away...
They're giving away less gold for free, obviously. Someone decided this was important to the bottom line.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuksluk
That's it, I bought enough gold to get what I thought would be a decent bonus. Now it's a rubbish bonus. At some point soon I will take a deep breath and uninstall this game from my phone. I'll have withdrawal symptoms for a few days but then I can get back to spending my time and money doing more interesting and productive things.
Fight Club can then spend all the money they want fighting the free players.
Not all in FC are millionaires...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan
Why is the gold bonus nerf in CC only? MW has to be by far the most unbalanced game and old tiers in place.
A&FQuote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
I was wondering about our spending during the start of the month
Seeing alot of us bought prior to this announcement
Wouldn't we be put in the old program as that is where our money was spent
Just Sayin
I heard about this movie called ban hammer, it seems like several people on this forum have already seen it, hopefully not too many more will see it though , in the movie people bring up standard individual views and topics then all of a sudden disappear, really weird but not as scary is they try to make it out to be kind of lame, I couldn't imagine if a company ran the same way as the movie I would see it tanking before too long
Not according to the terms and conditions. You should thank Gree. They could have changed it on the 31st.Quote:
Originally Posted by [CM]]forgetaboutit
Why do I get the feeling this is a ploy to distract us from the actual game issues that are really making players angry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
What issues they are all fixed :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Vile Lynn
I don't mind you changing the rules, but do it with respect for your players, who has been working hard to spend whatever amount they use in the game. Most of the anger here is not directed at the change it selves, but the way you have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
It all fairness you should either have send this email on the last day of September, counting for October purchases, or make it effective in November. Many have been spending money on gold they used in the war in the weekend, even bought a few vaults on discount for the LTQ and whatever comes in the next couple of weeks.
Had you send out the email just before the war, the points would have been much lower as everybody would have been holding off. The anger you expected was a different one, then the one you got, but why are we not surprised?
The things Gree throw at the users will make people angry, disillusioned, quit, hurt your brand, play other games, play for free. I think it's time you sit down and say what can we do for the players, and not what can we do against the players!
Only place I have seen more frustration is in EA forum, and that's certainly not a good second place.
From everything I've gathered...the decision was made because Gree (wrongly) saw this as a rampant gold inflation problem (probably being B&M'd about by free players).
Yet again, they miss the mark on where the inflation lies (hint to devs: it's the stats of items you give out) and the responsible party (hint to devs: it's not us, it's you).
I am becoming more and more convinced that the company and game are some sort of clinical psychological research project, and the current MO is seeing just how much the users will tolerate. The rampant hilarity of how they screwed up the previous battle and now changing the agreement in the most unfair way/time possible really leaves few other options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yancool
The best part is the concept that this is being done to balance out the competitive nature of the game. But with the 5K and 10K bonuses staying the same, do you really think the people buying that much will spend less? Or the stat items will suddenly go back to 300/300 being incredibly badass?
What this will do is make the very top players even more untouchable than they are now and crush the middle class.
Look up the 'Skinner Box' and you'll definitely find parallels. Difference being we actually pay to be experimented on.Quote:
Originally Posted by montecore
I understand that you do not have to run the program, but players do not have to pay. Waiters do not have to serve well and customers do not have to pay tips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assault and Flattery
Gree has sustainability issues as an ongoing concern with the key business area of Japan. It cannot recover and launch a new product line quick enough, or is buying time to do so, to get back in touch with the fickle changes of its paying customers in Japan.
Typical of any major corporation they have first cut costs where they can especially in satellite countries and divisions including Funzio/US. Also typical is the last cuts are beginning at HQ. Seems to be happening in Japan HQ now in at least larger numbers.
Funzio, while probably an expensive acquisition, is probably one of the best assets Gree has in sales, CF, GM and growth. So now it is time to come after the Gree customers. Price increases are not going to work in the competitive app world that Funzio plays in. So the first pass is to reduce or eliminate the discount program. Since Funzio mgmt does not know the net affect it will launch this test balloon in its oldest platform game which also happens to create the least revenue of the Big Three apps. If it works, that is the net loss is not significant, it will be applied in the other two platform games. Don't fool yourself. Organic growth by Gree is gone and they need to squeeze profits and beat costs out of all assets. The future for Gree is in Funzio applications as long as they don't try to import Japanese tastes across the board in international games. Hello Kitty type games are for kids not adults.
The issue, however, is masked by Funzio decisions if this fails. The stat inflation has hit the breaking point for at least some gold spenders, in particular, long time players (over one year). Perhaps the player substitution is working and it is a long term strategy to unwind long term whale players with new whales. Perhaps not because all paying customer losses add up. Plus real players use syndicate 3rd party apps to pass on historical information from old whales to new whales about game, funzio, and concerns. Darn thing is that many players spend gold in MW, KA and CC or free in CC but spend in KA and/or MW. We talk and are concerned. Not sure how many will jump to Beta games when live including beta testers based on current business strategies.
Surely you can understand if one spends a vault for events a year ago had value for probably a month. With stat inflation it was a week and now is about a day until next event starts. Surely you must understand except for the .5% players that have spend without abandon there is a limit to most of us spenders for pixel entertainment. It must be impacting your revenues as we are seeing the spenders leave syndicates. Old whales replaced by new whales is a good strategy but I think the new whales won't play as long and are getting wise to this.
The other issues causing paying customers to quit is the significant amount of events where it has taken more RL time than expect, desired, or tolerated by the individual or the ones around them. This needs no explanation. The life expectancy of spenders must be declining and the new whales will probably be around for less than a year. Understand you must manage for short term results in a short term business product but you've gone past tolerance rate of some and that number will grow.
The issues of reliability of platform and numerous gree mistakes to this issue is non sequitur. You had technical issues in game pre-stat inflation, pre-numerous events, we whined but we played then and now. I doubt you lost many, if any, spending players for technical issues. So this issue is ongoing and not germane to issue. You also have demonstrated the desire to make up for event issues cause by you two wars and most of us thank you for that. Can't please everyone.
So I offer no advice as not my place. Just know that paying customers are watching what Gree and Funzio will do and more may follow the early deserters. At least convert to non-paying customers. Still got to think conversion of paying to free is the worst accomplishment. The Funzio created issues need to be addressed fairly soon but that's your call.
Last some disclosure. I am not a Whale Class Gold Spender. More like Seal Class. Most of your spenders are in this class. We are your customers. This forum tends to be dominated by the Sardine Class. That is the players that don't pay for the game but whine a lot about everything Funzio and gloat or berate your paying customers. They don't add value in relationship to their contributions to the game or your business.
We hope you make some positive adjustments to game and tread carefully on pricing model both in gold program and list/sales pricing for us Sardines.
Thanks for listening.
Did you really expect people to read that? :eek:
I started to, but fell asleep at "sustainability".Quote:
Originally Posted by mxz
If im right this bonus changes will probably only affect top 25 teams, and some top 50, but not top 1-5?.. i dont see the logix..