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1 gold star armor from the combination are uncraftable and gives 50ep. Those combination are guaranteed 50 ep armor even if they are just 1 star, they are uncraftable and give 50 ep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musketeer
Unless gree made changes again without letting the players know. 1 star uncraftable always give 50 ep.
Edit: lol! How many times did I say 50 and uncraftable.
OK, so you have to have a 1* uncraftable armor from some source (presumably chests?) first - then combine that with a 2** armor, to get an armor that will give a 50ep increase if used for combining. Right?
I'm guessing the 1* uncraftable armor is nemesis armor (I've never had one), which is basically useless once the epic boss of the week leaves, so you might as well use it for crafting.
No, you misunderstand. As long as you fuse let's say, a basic earth and basic fire, you'll be able to always get an armor with a minimum EP value of 50 since the worst armor you can get from a fire earth combination is molten shroud - a one star uncraftable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musketeer
Basic Earth + Basic Fire gave me Volcanic Mantle, one star but now I've fused it I see it gives 50ep, Thanks everyone! Molton Shroud is a 2* armor btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathexe
I didn't know the definition of uncraftable being used here. Since I just crafted the Volcanic Mantle, how could it be uncraftable? The answer is that uncraftable means uncraftable directly from materials collected in the game.
Wouldn't it have been simpler if they'd just rated armors with stars, starting at 1 and going up to six, rather than colors of stars for the first 3 levels?
Hmm, generally we consider "Craftable Armors" as those you collect materials from in the game and craft it from there. On the other hand, you cannot get Volcanic Mantle from any materials in the game, hence it is uncraftable. We consider it as an armor that can be gotten from combinations (call it "Combined Armor" if you like).
Any dual element craftable armor will give you 24ep, and any dual uncraftable armor will give you 50ep.
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So if i understand this right, to lvl up ur armor fast i shall combine 2 basic armor to get an uncraftable armor and use those to enhance the armor i want to lvl up? Or is there any other way to lvl it up faster? :)
Just curios on how you crafted a volcanic mantle, what materials did you use? I think you meant to say you received it as a result from fusing two different armor. Crafting involves using the armorsmith not the fusion master. I think you are confusing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musketeer
I mean this in the nicest way and am not trying to insult you. It just seems that you are still confused between crafting and fusing.
Ideally that's what you would want to do. That is if you have unlimited supply of fusion stones and gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raekan
To fuse it cost 25k gold and a fusion stone. So it is usually only recommended to use this when enhancing cost is in the 18k per slot range. So around lvl 60.
Ok i understand. currently im trying to craft snakeskins to upgrade my armors. Doing Normal stage on and on and earning snakeskin materials. But it gets really boring after 20 times xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Raistmar
Yeah, I was confused but I've got it now, thanks to you and everyone else who responded. I reallt hadn't taken in that you craft armor - I was thinking you forged it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistmar
thinking of setting up a new thread on Cost efficient Armor Leveling based on the various information and my own observations but it prompt me that I cant
Any Admin can help ???
You need 10 posts before you can make a thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunasea
Ic thx .... 3 more post to go lolz
this guy rocks that did this, thanks for your help
Hello everyone,
I have been working on some information about armors for myself and my guild and I thought the rest of you might find it interesting too.
Most of the information have been possible to put together thanks to so many people sharing information on this forum! Special thanks to RadLonghammer, HarveyGuo, Sir. and whoever put up the initial spreadsheet!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Gc&usp=sharing
It is not 100% complete and I am not sure it is 100% correct either. If you guys have feedback or comment about the spreadsheet feel free to post here or PM me.
Happy hunting!
Nice job. I did notice the time to craft a silver star says 20min, but should be 30 min.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lii
Also, I can help you with close estimates for the 1-50 level points. I sent you a PM with the information to update.
Well spotted! Thanks for the feedback and the estimates for the level 1-50 armors. I have updated the spreadsheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jello
In the Guild Bonuses Tab, under cost of elemental bonuses, it would be better for eye-sight to have the numerical format use commas. Or to make it "1m" or "1mil" instead. So many zeros makes it hard to tell exactly how much it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lii
Other than that, very well put together source of information.
Hehe, thanks. Yes, became much easier to read with commas ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EljayK
Wow, I wish I would have found this site when I started out playing K&D. From knowledge gained after reading numerous threads, I am working on setting up my money income. At this point I am level 33 and struggling on Writhing Cascades on Mighty. Would it be advisible to work on building up a lump of gold, or taking the finer points of this thread and working on leveling gear? Reminds me of a certain game not to be mentioned, where you grinded for gear or gold. But I enjoy this game. And to try and contribute to this thread, maybe with just a question. If you have a ilvl19 stonescale Plate Mail+, and you enhance it to the Alantean Avenger gear, would you still only get 10xp for the gear?
All great info, helping me out a lot.
VR
Stonescale is earth and AA is air/water so you would only get 8 as a base EP. However then you also get one EP for each level of the armor you use as enhancement material (I am not sure if this is the case in all situations, but I believe so). So in your example you would get 8+19 EP, i.e. 27 EP total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veloster Raptor
Good question, I added a note in the spreadsheet about the levels of armors when enhancing.
Thanks for the catch. I was attempting to use the same element but was also guilty of eating my lunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lii
So it is not very efficent to enhance a leveled low quality armor into a higher quality armor? I think the best thing I learned is to only enhance armor with the elements it is infused with. That will save me time and money. I will check out your spread sheet.
As a correction, on non-matched element enhancement it would be 8 base EP + 18 EP (Level minus 1 so 19-1) = 26 EP. On matched it would be 10 base EP + 18 EP = 28 EP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lii
Yes, it will save you enhancement time and money if you match the elements. But, efficiency is what you make of it. EP is EP no matter where it comes from. If you are using that Lvl 19 Stonescale to enhance an armor containing Earth element, it is worth 28 EP which is more than a Snakeskin (24 EP). I use Basics (6 EP each x 4 = 24 EP) through level 10-15, then sometimes move to uncommons (10 EP x 4 = 40 EP) or Snakeskin (24 EP x 4 = 96 EP) above level 15-20. The basics may use up some gold to level your armor, but if you use it at the beginning, it won't be that much wasted versus using them at level 50 where it will take you 3 to 4 enhancements to get to level 51 using basics costing 52,000 x 3 or 4. You are collecting shards to make the basics all the time. Craft and use them. They are the quickest and most EP/hour that you can craft, and if gold is not a problem (like that's ever the case), you can create more than enough basics to go from 1-30 or 1-50. I usually have over 800 shards at any given time - it only takes 3 to make a basic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veloster Raptor
How do you get a + version of fusion armors?
Craft them or DPC. Can't get from fusingQuote:
Originally Posted by Singa
hey i need help on android, is here anybody with eurus nemesis, im level 55
Whats dpc? and they are not craftable :<Quote:
Originally Posted by KayOrzz
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthre...-the-beginnersQuote:
Originally Posted by Singa
Hey guys!
I've been working on a little spreadsheet simulator that lets you compare and contrast various ways to enhance armor. It shows you how long each method will take, how much money it would cost you, how long it would take you to acquire that much money based on building ownership, etc. Take a look at what how it shows the results. What you think?
http://dc699.4shared.com/img/WxoZvl4.../Example_2.JPG
I have seen so many people spend so many hours recording data. This spreadsheet basically would let you figure out how something will turn out without spending the time researching it.
Nate this is a great idea and something many members would use! I highly suggest doing this for all future released armours!
I'm considering releasing it to the public, but not sure I want other people to have that advantage :P
But you don't have Method 4 which is a mix of 2 and 3. 1 Mono + 8 basics for L11.
SoloStar, the spreadsheet doesn't just tell you how long these methods will take and how much gold they require. It lets you input the variables for your own game, and however you wish to enhance the armor, to see what the results are.
Here is a picture of the results where Method 1 is the snakeskin method, Method 2 is using Lvl 11 uncommons, and Method 3 is using Lvl 11 basics. All I had to do was figure out how long it took to make each armor and how much gold it cost by putting those inputs in. (Note that the gold constraint is based on having 8 L2 training fields)
http://dc694.4shared.com/img/Ct68hcy.../example_3.JPG
Edit: I accidentally set the starting level in Method 3 to Level 27 so those numbers aren't correct for starting from Level 1... but you get the idea.
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Originally Posted by Jello
I'm trying to find some info on the "best" way or most common way to enhance and what to use as you progress with enhancing an armor.
lvl 1- ~15: basic/common
lvl 15 - ~25: uncommon
lvl 25- ~50: snakeskin/ lvl 11 uncommon
lvl 50+ : 50Ep fused armors
Is the above a reasonable way to go when enhancing ? (I'm a little confused about the info as basics/common and uncommons both seem to called basics)
"basic" is probably used as an alias for the cheap craftable mono-element armors.Quote:
Originally Posted by paganizer
I've yet to start work on any level 70, but what I did for my big four was pretty close to that list, though fluctuating depending on what armors and materials I had in stock. (when material stocks were decent and I had the time, I did take a liking to switching up from lvl1 uncommon to lvl 6 uncommon in the 20s... (lvl 6 uncommon can be reached with mismatched commons, while for lvl 11 you need mostly matched commons)
More or less. You could tweak it a little depending on your resources available and gold available.Quote:
Originally Posted by paganizer
Basics refer to basic fire/earth/spirit/water/wind armors, while monos refer to the stonescale, seafoam, mystic, dragon flame, wing warrior armors.
I don't think gold will be an issue.. it's more a matter of getting the best out of my ressources. Got 7 training fields fully upgraded now and working on armors (i'm behind in that apartment) while I get the last castle expansions.
So I guess I will be going with these overall:
lvl 1- ~15: basic/common
lvl 15 - ~25: uncommon / lvl 6 uncommon
lvl 25- ~50: snakeskin/ lvl 11 uncommon
lvl 50+ : 50Ep fused armors
thanks for the help
Believe it, Gold WILL be an issue, eventually, until you have multiple maxed legendary armors for every situation, and maxed out Guild bonuses and Guardians.Quote:
Originally Posted by paganizer
Fusion stones will be an issue too. I'd be nice to take every armor from 50 to 70 with fused 50ep armors but that'd cost 42 stones per armor. Fusion stones are the most scarce in-game resource.
Time, as someone noted in another thread, is often the most limiting factor. Time available to play, and time to collect materials and craft those armors for enhancing. What seems easy to a player with unlimited playing time is hard for someone who can't play during working hours. Thus people are prepared to sacrifice gold efficiency for time saving.
So for Lv25-50 which would be better in terms of time and gold? Crafting Snakeskin or Leveling an Uncommon to 11?