Gree wants all the free players to become gold spenders.
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Gree wants all the free players to become gold spenders.
Of course. But what they don't realize is there are many many people who enjoy the game but may not have the means or the willingness to spend money on it. That's fine that they want people to spend money as it is a business. Continue to add new content and entice people to do so. Don't change the fundamental dynamics of the game to try and force people into a position of quitting versus buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by aphroKEN
If you want to change the construct and the rules then create a Modern War II. Simple.
Without all the free players, who are the gold spenders going to bully? The bullies will eventually leave the game when there are no victims to torture.
Gree Just Caused another player to quit gggg
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Originally Posted by Speed ump
Between this and the new vault limits, I have went from farming 18 million a day to about 4 million a week. Thus, I have settled into camping mode and building up my IPH. So it's like I dont know rather to be upset, or not.
This is very nice. It was hard before finding people to attack and raid for lots of money now its so easy. Thanks gree
and what level are you? Cause that will certainly change....Quote:
Originally Posted by thunder
I think people need to realize now that they shouldnt spend gold on this game. Gold units have no effect now, i honestly cant believe gree have been short sighted enough to remove their own source of income.
I am a medium-low gold user but this change totally discourages any further gold purchase (whats the point). I have pretty good stats but have been camping on 25 allies last couple of days. Today alone I got hit for 22.5mil by 5 separate players (or was it 6? - i lost count). Only one of those players was around 46 allies (i take my hat off to that player) but all the others were morons on 250+ allies and one on 520+allies! Incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
I will not threaten to quit the game as those threats seem hollow but there is no point in spending real money anymore. I know a few guys within the game who are very heavy hitters but are not in favour of this move
I hate this change. I am at 55k attack, and now there is no one in my list anymore who has less than 25k defense. I need to fight against people with less than 10k defense to prevent lost units. Combined with the fact that no one goes overvault anymore because of the higher vault limits, attacking is giving me huge losses now. There is no way to get enough valor to replace all the lost units.
This is a very bad change for this game. Please revert to the way it was.
I vote to change the rivals list back to its previous version. I agree with what everyone else is saying. I have not been effected by the change yet, as I am a level 50, but I was planning on buying several crates to greatly increase my stats in order to become the strongest within my level. With this change I will not buy the crates and might just quit the game upon reaching the new whale level, which is shortly approaching me.
However, if it reverts back and I will buy several vaults of gold for the crates, the Boss Events, box events, and WD battles.
I also spent a long time getting my player (somewhat) strong for my level. I am probably a medium-gold player... I used to buy a vault for boss events and now I also buy one for world domination (I just get too excited during war to pass it up ;) ). I am lvl 74 with 43/53 atk/def (not the greatest... I've leveled up a lot since factions started and haven't added any units except event prizes). But it was never a problem to find people on my rivals list at or below half my attack (I max allies). But now like others have said I see people on my rivals list with twice my strength and the vast majority are at my strength... I have to search and search to find someone I can hit with minimal casualties. It's made PVP completely unproductive for me. I guess I can't complain that I am visible to people twice my strength as those are the people I target too... but it does seem silly that your relative strength now matters so little (why go for strong units?) and the fact that I'm having trouble finding anyone on my rivals list to attack in the first place... something needs to be fixed. I am an android user and just got the upgrade where I can see rival's defense after I attack, and I notice my attack is anywhere between 60-110% of my profile stats... is this the way it's always been?
I don't believe that this is a money strategy for gree since it does seem to discourage spending for strong units. Plus they've made so much money by introducing faction play and increasing the strength of prize units... I know I've spent a lot more. If this is a money strategy I would look back and see how much money you've made by making the reward shinier... and reconsider the benefit of making the penalty hurt more.
I can understand matching with similar power. But I see alot of people with double my stats in my rivals. I wouldn't call that similarly matched in power,lol.
Doesn't this devalue gold ? Ie. camper accounts camp and get strong for their levels but now that won't matter... But what if they used gold to speed up upgrades and such. Ends up being a waste of gold for them.
This is unacceptable! I drop down allies from 500 to 99 to farm some cash then spend real gold to get back up to 500 allies before the next faction battle. Today I have been hit by multiple players each bringing over 500 allies and the 2000 units to battle against my 99 allies and 396 units. I have lost over $20million today. I don't care what the reasoning is but this is broken and must be fixed! I don't care about a quality units alogrithm. 396 units vs. 2000 isn't fair. I know this...I will stop playing this game if this continues.
I think it is BS that GREE decided this to do. I lost a lot of troops against opponents with twice my level and triple my stats. I have put a lot of time and effort in this game, spend also money on it. Some of the ideas from GREE are ok, but this one, with all do respect sucks. Please change this situation again
Algorithm, please clarify. I honestly do not understand how my LLP now constantly is getting raided and attacked by players with an attack off more then 40k.Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ54
I only have 20k def. I just as well sell my level 10 composite.....
Agree wholeheartedly, but in particular with the last sentence. There is no point in attacking, defending, gold or allies. I am still falling off my chair with disbelief that gree haven't realized they have killed their source of income. People need to realize this. Gold units has no use now. Do not buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bucknut
Maybe just moved into a zone, or it's a sign of the latest changes but there seems to be a significant increase in encountering stripped bases in the last few days.
These changes seem to have had a strange effect on my rivals list. I'm strong for my level and have 800-odd allies, but now it seems that all of my rivals are weak - with no decent cash buildings to raid. These days I'm suspicious of anything that GREE does, but have they made changes that now mean you're less able to raid - so it's harder for you to generate cash....meaning that you need to buy more cash and gold from them? If so, that's low....and, if with everything else (like the China battle too soon) people are going to get very tired of being so obviously played.
Everything you do in this game is useless now...
Lose and get weaker? You will be matched against weaker opponents.
Win and get stronger? You will be matched against stronger opponents.
Buy something and get stronger? You will be matched against stronger opponents.
Drop allies and get weaker? You will be matched against weaker opponents.
Gain allies and get stronger? You will be matched against stronger opponents.
Win event and get stronger? You will be matched against stronger opponents.
Nothing matters anymore, because you will always remain in the same relative playing field.
Exactly this! The point of spending any effort was to have an advantage on those who were at your level with same amount of allies...CJ please change this backQuote:
Originally Posted by DunkNL
If I wanted to be matched up with players equal to my AT/DF scores I would not have camped so long so I could afford stronger units. Any edge I had before has now been removed. Now I am constantly matched up against the gold players and other high level players.
^The new system has made all strategy pointless. I hope gree realize that nobody wants this. I would consider buying more gold if the system is reversed to what it was.
On this new farcical new system, i will never buy gold- its pointless.
I got popped for my first loss in like 4 months yesterday. I lost 6 million in cash to a player with 500 allies. I don't have any visibility to any players with 500 on my list. I can refresh the list numerous times and no players show up with 500. So not only am I visible to stronger players but they are not visible to me.
What a joke Gree. Change the rivals list back.
Same here, just lost 10 fights in one day. People with double stats and more shouldn't be in my rival list at all. There is no logic to this. Need this changed back quickly otherwise this game will lose at lot of players and a lot of moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
I tripled my A/D stats in the last two months and now this crap happens... I finally am strong enough to confidently overvault and it is taken away.
I'm suddenly no longer seeing any of the "low" players. You know, the abandoned bases and people with 12k stats.
Makes raiding and attacking a little more challenging.
-J
Hey D@wg...it just never stops does it? FFP currently level 201 with 97 allies...recently attacked by a level 250Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
with 1116 allies...I can't see anyone with more than about 246 allies ...of course this poor fellow got nothing
and lost some trinkets in the process...you have seen my base...just about everybody I see is extremely weak..
I don't bother with it or the game...just keep an eye on things and chuckle a bit when someone attempts to
attack my base
Waaahhh, I can't camp anymore. Waaahh
Actually you can camp just fine with this change.Quote:
Originally Posted by leek_info
It's the players that didn't camp who are screwed over. They can no longer drop allies to slip under the radar.
Please quit trolling and educate yourself. What's the point of playing a strategic war game if you can't be strategic? What's the point of raising your stats if it means nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by leek_info
Yeah, the reason it screws over campers is that now you cant go over vault to buy big upgrades as you will always get beat. But you cant attack many people either as you are almost always with stronger people.Quote:
Originally Posted by CDR Shepard
When you do find someone with lower stats, there is nothing worth raiding or it is abandoned- this is becoming more common, i suspect due to this change.
Gree still cant see that it will cost them a lot of players and money
^Sorry, doesn't seem to be an option to change it.
This change is ridiculous...
To be good at this game you should need a high average attack and defense attribute for each unit.
This new algorithm no longer creates rivals based on relative strength within your peers (ally number) so there is less of a benefit to having advanced/expensive units - the best strategy would be to max out your ally count.
It's like if the boxing world removed the different weight classes - obviously a stupid idea.
well I didnt really understand what U where talking about until this saturday. I've been playing it LESS than 3 months. I get attacked sometimes etc and its ok if they are around my level. My ally count is ~100. But on saturday morning I got smacked my lights out by a player who was 12 levels above me and had 3300!!!!! allies. Sunday morning, again big smacking, today morning again smacking by far stronger and more allies people. I on my rival list dont see so far up or down :(
Its grees crappy point to spoil gold spenders, so that they can see weaklings and they arent seen back by them (and maybe others too). Checked first attackers base....pure gold player, had all those shiny gold buildings there :(
OK, so they change the game, again. Fine. I was at around 200 allies and was a camper/farmer and now I can't camp/farm. Ok, fine. Now I need to get back to 500. No problem.
So, I drop in 10 gold bars and become a VIP. So, in the first hour, I have gotten EXACTLY SIX requests!!
I'm now pretty much screwed until I can get back to 500 allies, which now seems that it will take much longer than first anticipated. Well, that's sweet. At least the game is now interesting again. I'm very glad I got my IPH to 2MM before this happened.
Of course, A warning would have been nice!!!
VIP has been broken for about a week.
I refreshed for 2 whole hours looking for my other game from a new one and could never once bring it up on VIP to request for ally.
I should not have to refresh constantly for 2 hours from another account to see if VIP works, on and it didn't. I never saw my account.
Please change it back. Too many casualties now.
Eddie say...be careful what you play with, it may explode
Okay I am stopping PVP. I need to beat 20+ opponents to reach those valor goals. It rewards 2000 valor, but in the process i lose over 5000 valor worth of units...