Update Regarding Accomplices

Even though there is a 3 year precedent on the value of spending in this game, I do have a certain level of sympathy for people who spent gold chasing these things. What I find extremely comical is people wanting to be compensated for "time" in chasing these things. Really? Your time is so valuable that you want to be compensated for the time you spent playing a video game? Really? Just listen to yourself. Either that is an incredible amount of hubris, or near single digit IQ talkin right there......

Too little too late

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

Are you in the gold bonus scheme? That's probably it.

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I don't know what that means, so I would guess I'm not. I'm just an average moderate gold spender that feels duped. The way they rolled out that accomplice program with zero warning and very little clear instruction or support....left many of us unable to play the PvP portions of the game at all for a period of time. Many of us felt we needed these accomplices to remain competitive and able to help our syns. Many of us spent money on gold to keep pace with the game they changed. Now that they have our money they change the feature? That's a bait n switch, and I admit falling for it. Now I feel it's fair to be accommodated in some fashion. replace my gold (multiple vaults), or something.
Them saying "accomplices will still be used in other parts of the game" described in a time of gree choosing is not acceptable

Now this is what I call a Valentine's Day Massacre!

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Originally Posted by Morgz

I don't know what that means, so I would guess I'm not. I'm just an average moderate gold spender that feels duped. The way they rolled out that accomplice program with zero warning and very little clear instruction or support....left many of us unable to play the PvP portions of the game at all for a period of time. Many of us felt we needed these accomplices to remain competitive and able to help our syns. Many of us spent money on gold to keep pace with the game they changed. Now that they have our money they change the feature? That's a bait n switch, and I admit falling for it. Now I feel it's fair to be accommodated in some fashion. replace my gold (multiple vaults), or something.
Them saying "accomplices will still be used in other parts of the game" described in a time of gree choosing is not acceptable

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I'd like to know the reason behind the change in accomplices before making accusations of bait & switch. If it's because of some players complaining because they don't like the change (and/or threatening to stop buying gold because of it) then let's be honest, it's those players to blame 60% and the company 40% for not calling their bluff.

If Gree have decided that it just wasn't working as intended, then the case for partial refunds is stronger. But nobody should be refunded for doing events that they would have spent on anyway unless they're prepared to lose all the prizes from that event.

More dubious is the idea of someone buying a load of gold, waiting for their bonus to be delivered and then getting a refund from their vendor. That's sailing much closer to fraudulent behaviour than anything the company has done to date on this subject.

This situation reminds me of the commercial playing here in the states for Dollar Shave Club. In the commercial some dude tries to buy razors and the clerk says some outrageous price that surprises the customer. But the customer is resigned to pay for the blades anyway. Then the clerk informs the customer that there is a free gift that comes with the purchase. So the customer grabs the gift and is met with a swift punch right in the junk. Gree gave us the accomplices then proceeded to punch us right in our collective junk. Our "free gift".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlC_di2AcY&safe=active

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

I'd like to know the reason behind the change in accomplices before making accusations of bait & switch. If it's because of some players complaining because they don't like the change (and/or threatening to stop buying gold because of it) then let's be honest, it's those players to blame 60% and the company 40% for not calling their bluff.

If Gree have decided that it just wasn't working as intended, then the case for partial refunds is stronger. But nobody should be refunded for doing events that they would have spent on anyway unless they're prepared to lose all the prizes from that event.

More dubious is the idea of someone buying a load of gold, waiting for their bonus to be delivered and then getting a refund from their vendor. That's sailing much closer to fraudulent behaviour than anything the company has done to date on this subject.

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All very good points. Can't say I disagree with any of that (at least not now), and your post is making me think. I still feel duped, but maybe "bait n switch" is a bit harsh of a term at this point. I guess I'll see how it plays out over the next few days.

I don't know how anyone can say with any certainty just how much of their gold was strictly for acquiring accomplices, and how much would be part of their normal spending pattern anyway. I think its fair to say that anyone who bought and spent gold all along would still have bought and used some percentage regardless -- but I do still remember those 3-5 days where I couldn't rob or attack anyone, yet I was still getting rob / attacked regularly; those days did encourage me to make purchases and play ltq's that I normally wouldn't have touched, play RB and Epic boss much more diligently, and spent more on SA and Battle events in order to up both my individual score, and help my syn score...all in the name getting better accomplices.

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Originally Posted by sister morphine

More dubious is the idea of someone buying a load of gold, waiting for their bonus to be delivered and then getting a refund from their vendor. That's sailing much closer to fraudulent behaviour than anything the company has done to date on this subject.

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I'd also include the people who go back for "refunds" every couple months and keep buying gold. I've seen people actually bragging about how they get about $500 out of every $1000 they spend refunded. Those people should be in jail.

The accomplices still count in PVP however, just not battle. Is that correct?

Great so now accomplices are decoration. Gree this is tiresome.

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Originally Posted by GREE Official Updates

Attention Crime Lords!


Exciting update: Beginning with the Duel for the Deuces Battle for Empire City, Accomplices will no longer factor into battle calculations. Though all Accomplices you've recruited will still remain in your inventory, battle calculations will be calculated using only Mafia Stats. We hope you enjoy the classic Battle for Empire City and build the strongest Mafia to dominate and defeat your enemies! More details to come on how Accomplices will be used to enhance your Mafia.

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So NOW i Got enough of all complains here. No matter what changes gree do it is always bad news. Its your own choise to use gold or not to advance in the game.
So gree keep up making new thing so CC Will keep developing. And to all the players that dont like it, Well to bad.

This is absolutely a GREEDY thing to do. Customers spent money to buy these thing to help their stats and now you take them away. What bull****. I'm seriously considering not lining the pockets of GREEDY anymore.

The date the accomplice notification began was in a forum post by Engram on 12/19 at 4:16pm

Looks good

Look, we all hated this concept when it started. Remember when we couldn't rob people? Remember how we all complained when realized we'd have to start doing LTQs again just so we wouldn't fall behind? None of us wanted accmplices/kingpins. We didn't understand it. We thought it was absurd that stats were only partially responsible for winning and losing. I'm glad they seemed to pull the plug on this. (There were no accomplices in the last LTQ, and there aren't any in Street Assault.) I commend GREE for nipping this in the bud rather quickly. If you're one of these people who went balls to the wall and spent a ton of money to get accomplices, my heart does not bleed for you. My guess is that you won't miss that money. It comes with the territory when investing real money into a game. Suck it up, pour yourself another glass of overpriced scotch, and move on, Sally.

Move forward not backward. It seemed like obvious reasons why you guys implemented accomplices and the benefit to you and competitive game play it gave. However if your not ready it shouldn't of been released. Not reversed post update. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by GREE Official Updates

Attention Crime Lords!


Exciting update: Beginning with the Duel for the Deuces Battle for Empire City, Accomplices will no longer factor into battle calculations. Though all Accomplices you've recruited will still remain in your inventory, battle calculations will be calculated using only Mafia Stats. We hope you enjoy the classic Battle for Empire City and build the strongest Mafia to dominate and defeat your enemies! More details to come on how Accomplices will be used to enhance your Mafia.

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GREE is missing on a great business opportunity, you could run a return or recycle program that take back those accomplices for a modest gold payment. That way you get gold for starting a feature that everybody hates but have to get and more gold for cancelling when the players insist that don't want it.

This is great that you have listened to our feedback everyone feels the same trough out the cc Game if it's not broken don't try to fix it !!!!! Keep your ear to the ground don't ever change doing that and you will keep your clientele be one of the greats just by doing that one or 2 things listening to reason and changing when you know it should be done much respect thanks .

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Originally Posted by Oh_TheHorror

Look, we all hated this concept when it started. Remember when we couldn't rob people? Remember how we all complained when realized we'd have to start doing LTQs again just so we wouldn't fall behind? None of us wanted accmplices/kingpins. We didn't understand it. We thought it was absurd that stats were only partially responsible for winning and losing. I'm glad they seemed to pull the plug on this. (There were no accomplices in the last LTQ, and there aren't any in Street Assault.) I commend GREE for nipping this in the bud rather quickly. If you're one of these people who went balls to the wall and spent a ton of money to get accomplices, my heart does not bleed for you. My guess is that you won't miss that money. It comes with the territory when investing real money into a game. Suck it up, pour yourself another glass of overpriced scotch, and move on, Sally.

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Ditto mate. I prefer Bulleit Bourbon myself. Happy gaming mate.

why this doesnt surprise me anymore?!

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Originally Posted by Oh_TheHorror

Look, we all hated this concept when it started. Remember when we couldn't rob people? Remember how we all complained when realized we'd have to start doing LTQs again just so we wouldn't fall behind? None of us wanted accmplices/kingpins. We didn't understand it. We thought it was absurd that stats were only partially responsible for winning and losing. I'm glad they seemed to pull the plug on this. (There were no accomplices in the last LTQ, and there aren't any in Street Assault.) I commend GREE for nipping this in the bud rather quickly. If you're one of these people who went balls to the wall and spent a ton of money to get accomplices, my heart does not bleed for you. My guess is that you won't miss that money. It comes with the territory when investing real money into a game. Suck it up, pour yourself another glass of overpriced scotch, and move on, Sally.

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Jeez the decision so was based on sagging if not precipitous drop in actual sales. The fact it went away without a plan b for accomplices indicates the urgency of the situation. When they will figure out and implement a meaningful change for accomplices (to players) will be awhile.

They don't understand their gold playing customers. With what the plan to launch to get high stats over next couple of weeks will probably backfire on them as well.

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Originally Posted by cooch

Jeez the decision so was based on sagging if not precipitous drop in actual sales.

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Nope. Sooo not true.

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Originally Posted by aarondavidsdad

My syndicate has spent an incredible amount of effort on acquiring these accomplices. Now Gree all of a sudden yanks them away? How are we going to be compensated for our time in acquiring these now useless pieces of excrement? This requires an answer from one of the developers.

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The decision to add accomplices to the game was a very stupid one that irritated many customers. Beta testers begged them not to add it. Players begged them to remove it.

Now they have made another decision that irritated many customers. I am looking forward to robbing Geo and the other TAW members who have been protected by accomplices.

For anyone who spent a fortune on crates to get accomplices, this may provide solace to you: All the crates you bought one year and two years ago are equally worthless due to stat inflation. So don't feel bad that you flushed good money down the toilet to acquire accomplices. Crates have always been worthless.

where do I find the details ?Attachment 7242

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Originally Posted by kids

where do I find the details ?Attachment 7242

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Everything Gree knows about the status of accomplices can be found here.

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Nope. Sooo not true.

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Lmao u don't have a clue!

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Originally Posted by cooch

Lmao u don't have a clue!

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Cite your source or shut yer trap.

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Originally Posted by Sleazy_P_Martini

Cite your source or shut yer trap.

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Follow business news pal not gaming junk.

I have no idea why this survey was created in a place that maybe visited by 1% of this forum's users. But here you go:
http://forums.gree.net/showthread.ph...65#post1464865

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Originally Posted by Oh_TheHorror

Look, we all hated this concept when it started. Remember when we couldn't rob people? Remember how we all complained when realized we'd have to start doing LTQs again just so we wouldn't fall behind? None of us wanted accmplices/kingpins. We didn't understand it. We thought it was absurd that stats were only partially responsible for winning and losing. I'm glad they seemed to pull the plug on this. (There were no accomplices in the last LTQ, and there aren't any in Street Assault.) I commend GREE for nipping this in the bud rather quickly. If you're one of these people who went balls to the wall and spent a ton of money to get accomplices, my heart does not bleed for you. My guess is that you won't miss that money. It comes with the territory when investing real money into a game. Suck it up, pour yourself another glass of overpriced scotch, and move on, Sally.

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1st) Who's "we"? When a game adds a new feature I'm quite excited to have something new to do, and noome I know "hated" this concept, street assault is still awful tho.

2nd) You'd have to start doing LTQ's AGAIN? That implies you quit doing ltqs, do u have the best weapon in the game for every mafia member u have? And if so I would assume you're the one drinking overpriced scotch, and buying vaults of gold daily. So sorry u couldn't buy accomplices.
I mean, if ur not doing LTQ's then do u even play this game daily?
Accomplices were implemented to give something other than ur mafia size & the weapons they have to matter in battle, and it was a darn good concept. We should all be glad GREE is trying to move this game forward and not resting on their laurels. If u don't "understand" the game mechanics then perhaps strategy games aren't for your inferior mind. If u were "Top Dog" but aren't anymore cuz u didn't wanna play the game to get accomplices we don't need you, cuz you aren't even playing ya jerk.

Also, did anyone notice it says "ACCOMPLICES WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF BATTLE". That means they will still factor into PvP AMD anything else, they aren't being deleted entirely, but I am sad to see innovation be met with such backwards thinking, *sigh*

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1st) Who's "we"? When a game adds a new feature I'm quite excited to have something new to do, and noome I know "hated" this concept, street assault is still awful tho.

2nd) You'd have to start doing LTQ's AGAIN? That implies you quit doing ltqs, do u have the best weapon in the game for every mafia member u have? And if so I would assume you're the one drinking overpriced scotch, and buying vaults of gold daily. So sorry u couldn't buy accomplices.
I mean, if ur not doing LTQ's then do u even play this game daily?
Accomplices were implemented to give something other than ur mafia size & the weapons they have to matter in battle, and it was a darn good concept. We should all be glad GREE is trying to move this game forward and not resting on their laurels. If u don't "understand" the game mechanics then perhaps strategy games aren't for your inferior mind. If u were "Top Dog" but aren't anymore cuz u didn't wanna play the game to get accomplices we don't need you, cuz you aren't even playing ya jerk.

Also, did anyone notice it says "ACCOMPLICES WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF BATTLE". That means they will still factor into PvP AMD anything else, they aren't being deleted entirely, but I am sad to see innovation be met with such backwards thinking, *sigh*

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If O_TH wasn't doing LTQs it's probably for the same I haven't been doing them (and haven't looked at the one now running); unless you're prepared to drop a couple of vaults to finish the prizes aren't worthwhile.

I do agree with you in that accomplices allowed players to use their brain rather than just mindless tapping. The same is true of SA if you play on a team that doesn't just spend gold like its going out of fashion. :)

"Battle" means both war and PvP. Same algorithim. Sorry.

I have 126 mil attck and I just lost to 88 mil def. accomplices crap is still in place. get rid of that greedy plz :p

So there's a rumor going around that accomplices are going to somehow be integrated into RB dmg. I really hope that's not true! :mad:

This thread is pointless. Everybody complained about the accomplices, now that they are taking them away everybody is complaining. I understand you guys are upset about the money you spent, but it is a video game after all. I don't think gree accessed your apple or android device and used your credit or debit card information without your consent. Your all grown folks, stop the whining.



I'll save this space down here for the person who's going to say "what's the point of your post your just whining". Your welcome. Feel free to correct any misspellings that my iPad didn't.

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Your welcome. Feel free to correct any misspellings that my iPad didn't.

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You're* :)

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Originally Posted by TZora

I have 126 mil attck and I just lost to 88 mil def. accomplices crap is still in place. get rid of that greedy plz :p

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From when the war starts, Zora :)

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Originally Posted by GREE Official Updates

Attention Crime Lords!


Exciting update: Beginning with the Duel for the Deuces Battle for Empire City, Accomplices will no longer factor into battle calculations. Though all Accomplices you've recruited will still remain in your inventory, battle calculations will be calculated using only Mafia Stats. We hope you enjoy the classic Battle for Empire City and build the strongest Mafia to dominate and defeat your enemies! More details to come on how Accomplices will be used to enhance your Mafia.

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Originally Posted by cooch

Follow business news pal not gaming junk.

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Accomplices haven't been around a full fiscal quarter. So there's nothing any business news outlet would have to report on about them. Quit trying to act like you're in the know.

I will ignore you now since you didn't cite any sources showing accomplices lost gree money.

Let's recap

*Acc/KP was announced
*We were told we could only get them as prizes or in events.
*We were told we could not buy them.
*Players spend a lot on ltq's, even the ones who don't like XP.
*No one could rob anyone.
*attack and defense were combined to one.
*attack and defense were divided.
*everyone could nearly beat everyone.
*crates were now sold with Acc/KP.
*players bought crates like never before.
*everyone could now beat everyone.
*crates were no longer including Acc/KP.
*acc/KP is no longer counted in battle.

I'm not a big spender, but I do understand why players are angry, and some want a refund, for something that seem very worthless right now, and I'm having a hard time imaging how GREE can make us happy again, this seems like a major disaster.

I like kingpin power and accomplices. I think it is great that gree is bringing new things to the game!