Mods: Question about Rivals List

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Originally Posted by ILikeTheAbuse

It doesn't screw anyone who is willing to rob back what they lost that day, except now that is quite a lot easier than it used to be because you don't have to wade through 30 minutes of garbage to find a decent target.

(not an exceptional target that you want to go to war with for the next week. Just a decent target. Half your IPH with buildings up seems to be easy to find, now. We are at war with everyone, now. Constant battle on all fronts requires time spent robbing people back every day)

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You're absolutely correct, now I don't have to waste time (half an hour or more) searching for a decent rival...

***Instead, I WASTE TIME SEARCHING FOR A RIVAL I CAN ACTUALLY BEAT - WHETHER I WANT TO ROB THEM OR DEFEAT THEM FOR BRICKS***

And, When I Do Find Someone I have a chance of Beating, Their Stats are so close to mine that they can just hit me straight back! And as I've previously been successfully robbed by players with 20-25% Less Attack than My Defence, where's my incentive to do anything!!??

to back up the above, here's my day so far with New Rivals List...

I had an 'open mind', dipped my toe in last night & recce'd 5 Hoods, 4 were all at least 600K higher (Min) and the one that was close to me, was only about 150 Def lower, with similar Att Stats...

So, Old Rival List involved lots of Refreshes to find players of similar level, with lower stats but higher iph to Rob...
I could always find players to beat but decent robbing candidates took much more time and effort...

Now, I've just gone through Rival List TWENTY TIMES and with Exception of 3 Hoods - All 'Rivals' were 500K - 1 Million Higher Than Me!!??

Sorry GREE how the feck is that a Rival & exactly how am I supposed to Rob/Attack these people!

One thing that p*ssed me off about old system, was having muppets 600K Offense Lower than me Successfully Robbing Me (NB: at present, I'm around 2.5mil, so that's a 1/5 or more Weaker!) - That should never have happened & I always went back and paid them back in kind ten times over!

Now, you want me to start playing the same way as those dumb a holes!!!???

sorry, but, I'm usually tolerant of your updates/ amendments but this is broken!!!

New List is Joke, main difference is it appears that I can now be attacked by players 20 levels above me & 20 levels below me!

Where's the incentive to encourage players to grow when the local bully, to weak to beat up people his own size, just drops 20 levels to thump a player starting out...
This is just going to descend completely into school yard bullying...

At least with old Rival List you were always looking at people within 3 levels of yourself & generally, If you were above average, it was through either good playing or lucky enough to be part of good Syndicate, that gifted you lots of Rewards...
If you found someone weaker, it was usually because they were inactive, made bad game decisions or just plain stupid!

Weird: just reselected Rivals List and ALL Opponents were back at my Level or within 1...

have GREE gone back???

we all had to put up with being robbed while getting ahead. I feel like I have just wasted a year of my time getting to the strength I have. :idk:

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Originally Posted by Zippy69

Weird: just reselected Rivals List and ALL Opponents were back at my Level or within 1...

have GREE gone back???

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just had a flick thru. not in my time zone they havent.

was just single occurrence, now back to new sh*te...

^ triffic bloody triffic stuff

Rivals list is the equivalent of someone pushing you and then running to kneel down behind you and you still fall over them.

wot ?!

how can someone kneel down behind you when they have just pushed you over.

my real life family control five accounts from lvl 43 to 185. been playing this "game" for 20 months from first start. we participate in a top 1000 syndicate. this change pisses all over our efforts. good bye to greed if this is maintained.

It made an easy decision for me. Sold my hood. Donated the $$ to my syndicate and quit the game. Poof! On to any other non gree game

No matter how many times I refresh the list I get the same 20 or so names over and over, this is getting old fast...

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Originally Posted by TheRealAnarchy

No matter how many times I refresh the list I get the same 20 or so names over and over, this is getting old fast...

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me too!!! Getting exactly the same players just moved around every time I refresh... And that's been like that for hours now... Worse still is I have 2 accounts which must be "similar" in stats according to Gree's algorithm because both accounts have the same names on both rival lists... These have been robbed hours and hours ago and have nothing left... I've been up and down the whole list... What's the point??? Is this Gree telling me there are only that many people with similar stats???
My gold spend is fast approaching a big halt if there is now no point in becoming stronger stat wise...
What they should have done is open the level 250 ceiling to 300+

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Originally Posted by TheRealAnarchy

No matter how many times I refresh the list I get the same 20 or so names over and over, this is getting old fast...

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I found the same thing and decided to record it to prove the point.

I refreshed my RL ten times. Here is what I found:
200 names (10 refreshes)
70 unique names
1 name on all 10 lists
2 names 9/10 lists
4 names 6/10
4 names 5/10
24 names on 1/10

the name Alex: 2/10 lists

My IpH and my stats are both around 10M, so that may account for the limited pool. But it's wearisome seeing the same names over and over and over....

As for the OP: I agree with you wholeheartedly. The new RL completely negates my approach to the game. I took a long time to build a player with relatively high stats and IpH for his level. I never liked taking the time to rob people, so I generated my own money. Before statflation, there was a period of months where I never got robbed.

If they had implemented this six months or so ago, I wouldn't have minded it as much. But the new RL in combination with the addition of 11/13/20/26 hour building output cycles amounts to a 40% building output reduction for me. Because real life gets in the way, I can't even collect my 12-hour buildings consistently, much less the newer LTBs.

So now I have a new strategy: leave my buildings robbed and try to make it up by robbing others. But as you can see from my post above, I'm finding it tough to find others to rob. Building stats no longer matters, as murf (and others) have so eloquently pointed out. I can handle the game bugs being frustrating. But now the game mechanics are even more frustrating. As others have stated, CC is rapidly losing its appeal.

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Originally Posted by nazgul

I found the same thing and decided to record it to prove the point.

I refreshed my RL ten times. Here is what I found:
200 names (10 refreshes)
70 unique names
1 name on all 10 lists
2 names 9/10 lists
4 names 6/10
4 names 5/10
24 names on 1/10

the name Alex: 2/10 lists

My IpH and my stats are both around 10M, so that may account for the limited pool. But it's wearisome seeing the same names over and over and over....

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My IPH and stats are also around there (though stats closer to 9m) and I'm finding the same thing. I thought it was just a fluke last night but this morning it's cycling all the same folks.

Have you been robbed since the rival list change? I had a L8 WSFG sitting out for like 6 hours and it didn't get touched. I'm hoping that people with high IPH have sort of a gentleman's agreement, but we'll see what happens over the next few days.

I'm also seeing that my allies are in my rival list too. Not sure if that's new with this change or it's been like that for a while.

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Originally Posted by Fredfreddy

Have you been robbed since the rival list change? I had a L8 WSFG sitting out for like 6 hours and it didn't get touched. I'm hoping that people with high IPH have sort of a gentleman's agreement, but we'll see what happens over the next few days.

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I'd been going back and forth with someone since last week, so I haven't collected my non-24 hour buildings in a while anyway. So no, I haven't been robbed yet, but only because I haven't been collecting.

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Originally Posted by Fredfreddy

I'm also seeing that my allies are in my rival list too. Not sure if that's new with this change or it's been like that for a while.

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Once syndicates were introduced, your mafia was opened for attacking/robbing. It might seem more prevalent now since you're seeing the same names over and again.

i agree with everyone who disagrees with the change but my main complaint is there are no rivals with way higher iph than mine now. It seems like everyone i can rob has a low iph like mine. I had names and levels memorized of players with millions iph that had beatable stats and now there are plenty of people i can rob but no money..so wtf is the point? Am i going to have to increase my iph to find others with high iph? If my iph was super high then i wouldn't need to rob anyone to begin with..so kinda pointless now right?

Ahh the new rival list.....

Some of the Pros to it:
1. I don't need to check stats before robbing someone, I KNOW I can rob everyone that shows up.
2. Everyone that shows up has nice buildings that I WANT to rob.
3. Not a single empty no building hood, yea it's a lot like the above, but I LIKE it that much!
4. I made lots of money today from theft......

Some of the Cons:
1. I was robbed badly last night, it's been awhile since that happened.
2. I guess I need to bank now, they stole my cash too, but lost about half the attacks they tried!
3. Limited pool in my rival list.
4. I can't build myself up to protect my cash anymore.
5. Many of the hoods in my limited pool have been pre robbed, by me or another before I get there.
6. If I DO decide to check stats on my Driod, it takes FOREVER to get a rival's stats.
7. WTH, everyone is SO close to my attack, I got no stooges to hit for easy bricks!

So all and all.... I like the way MY rivals list looks when I want to go out robbing, but HATE the way I look on others Rivals list, and the fact that I'm not a least a medium fish in the pond any longer, I'm the same size as everyone else, and if I grow up, they just gonna put me in another pond!

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Originally Posted by b-w

i agree with everyone who disagrees with the change but my main complaint is there are no rivals with way higher iph than mine now. It seems like everyone i can rob has a low iph like mine. I had names and levels memorized of players with millions iph that had beatable stats and now there are plenty of people i can rob but no money..so wtf is the point? Am i going to have to increase my iph to find others with high iph? If my iph was super high then i wouldn't need to rob anyone to begin with..so kinda pointless now right?

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Bang on the money! Although not a lot in your case ;)

I think if they took IPH out of the equation then i would dig it and it would be rad...but maybe it's just me? Are ya'll finding most of the hoods you're visiting are close iph to yours?

Looks like they have changed things back I have a iph of 1.6 mill and have come across 3 people in my list with no iph

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Originally Posted by b-w

I think if they took IPH out of the equation then i would dig it and it would be rad...but maybe it's just me? Are ya'll finding most of the hoods you're visiting are close iph to yours?

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For me it's a lot closer to my IPH. If they're close to my IPH and my level then I can live with the change. I just don't want to see level 250 broke ass fools as a reward for my decent stats.

i guess i'd be happy with IPH playing less of a factor than other things. I don't expect everyone i visit to have more IPH than i do but i'd like to see some variance. Even if they collect on time then at least there is a shot at a whale. The way it seems to be now is isn't beneficial to me as much as it was before. I'll have to increase mine i guess. It's not the end of the world but i did like it better the other way.

Hate it. My pool of targets has shrunk to about 50 pl. Most all have a poor IPH. Why spend more gold to increase my stats when I will just be put on a list with others that are the same stats.

I hate the new rival list!

I really hate it!

Unbelievable how much I hate it!

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Originally Posted by Benzini

Unbelievable how much I hate it!

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Statistically (according to the poll), 80% hates it. The only ones who love it are the leaches / 0-iph losers.

Help me sort through something. If i have incredible stats (i don't) then wouldn't that be bad now? For a few reasons but one is that if i am matched up with players similar to me and i am in a very small percentage then i'll only have access to that same small % in my list..right or no?

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Originally Posted by b-w

Help me sort through something. If i have incredible stats (i don't) then wouldn't that be bad now? For a few reasons but one is that if i am matched up with players similar to me and i am in a very small percentage then i'll only have access to that same small % in my list..right or no?

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You are correct. A few are experiencing exactly that.

That blows. So the top 2% are only going to see the top 2% in stats and get the same few over and over..nah. Not good. Doing the same thing over and over with the same result isn't real fun.

I keep going back and forth as to whether i like it or not. The one thing they will need to revisit is Thug Life and Hardcore Hitman goals. I'm at the point where it's beat 500 mafia members 55 times and I'm thinking based on this it's going to be harder to achieve these goals. My thought has always been if I get robbed it's because I left my buildings to long. It makes me mad but it's a part of the game. When I first started this game a few months ago, I really liked robbing because I could be a level 50 and would see and be able to rob level 150 and so forth. Now that I've gained IPH I can see how this is annoying for those high IPH. I see it from both sides. I think if they keep this change they should do away with the 10% or decrease it to 5% to bank your money.

Yeah but i'm not seeing IPH higher than mine. Some seem to be but i am not. I'm basically seeing myself at different levels and number of mafia but attk and def and iph are same as mine..so robbing the rich isn't possible because my rivals list doesn't contain many richer than i am.

I like it.

Why, because now I don’t have to work hard to build my stats, no matter what I do, I will always be level with my Rivals. Didn’t purchase gold to complete the event, no worries, we will bump you down to a lower bracket so you are level with your rivals. What’s that, didn’t do well in the syn battles, no worries, we will bump you down to a lower bracket so you are level with your Rivals. Its like they are rewarding us for not using gold, and punishing us for using gold.

HAHA, WTH genius thought this up.
We are all winners now guys and gals....Everybody gets a Trophy!!

There are always the same 30 to 40 guys on my rivals list in different order... I robbed 200 to 300 millions every day! All guys together on my list now don't have this income...

And again: I hate the new rivals list!

Everybody should who fells similar should send Gree a ticket!

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Originally Posted by dragon001

Actually, it was a point of honor to be the best/strongest stat player in my region of levels. Are you without honor? Sounds like it. It was the goal of any good player to have the best hood, with the best IPH, and the highest stats. They have just deleted/negated the purpose and possibilitie of being the best. I am only level 118, but I have a lot of 200's-250's now on my rivals list. In many ways this is a giveaway to the players who were doing poorly and leveled up too high and too fast. Gree hates its longterm good players for some very strange reason. You will say income based as well.... less than half of my IPH is the best I have seen in the 200 up levels.

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why do people think that if you haven't got x stats per level then you are bad at the game, how about those of us that have ben here long enough to long after 50k stats and spent gold to push ourselves over the 100k mark? the truth is the vast majority of people with super high stats are those that have either started spending or carried on spending over the last 6-12 months during the crazy inflation, some of us were pretty much burnt out and bored with gree by this point and either stopped using gold or use very little hence the "horrendous" stats that you refer to.

I have pretty high stats for my level, but now I looked up and down the rivals list for about a hr and found 5 people to rob/att I thought this was supposed to make it a lot more fun? Seems like a majority of players do not like it Gree, what was the method to this madness? What is the incentive to get higher stats if I am always going to be the small fish ? No one complained about the old rivals list, when people are happy you want to change their attitude?

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Originally Posted by Benzini

There are always the same 30 to 40 guys on my rivals list in different order... I robbed 200 to 300 millions every day! All guys together on my list now don't have this income...

And again: I hate the new rivals list!

Everybody should who fells similar should send Gree a ticket!

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I strongly agree with you brother!

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Originally Posted by Ice Cream Man

I like it.

Why, because now I don’t have to work hard to build my stats, no matter what I do, I will always be level with my Rivals. Didn’t purchase gold to complete the event, no worries, we will bump you down to a lower bracket so you are level with your rivals. What’s that, didn’t do well in the syn battles, no worries, we will bump you down to a lower bracket so you are level with your Rivals. Its like they are rewarding us for not using gold, and punishing us for using gold.

HAHA, WTH genius thought this up.
We are all winners now guys and gals....Everybody gets a Trophy!!

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