Hell yeah Spi! I'm already there :-)
You gone too far this time, GREE. Moving the goalposts during an event is not cool. You fell on your sword.
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Hell yeah Spi! I'm already there :-)
You gone too far this time, GREE. Moving the goalposts during an event is not cool. You fell on your sword.
Signed the Greedignadios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davian Hax
You guys have been understaffed a long time now, maybe do something about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ54
But please dont say things like not a lot of posts here last week, while we havent seen you here in multiple weeks. I know your not support, but there have been issues where a member of your staff could have replied. Where were you? I know in another forum.
Again i ask you has kingdom age lost the interest of Gree and when will you pull the plug? That is a fair question for all players and an answer is the least you can give.
Thank you and keep up the good work you also do.
PS unban Rastlin and Ratma please. If i were you id listen to them more.
Hahaha, do you think they will tell you when they pull out the plug? You can still play Monster Quest, even when this game is dead.
Keep spending money, keep complaining, keep Gree laughing their way to the bank...
Why would they hire extra support, as you keep spending whatever they do or don't
I completely agree that what has taken place is unacceptable. CJ can try to justify what Gree pulled with the "Tidings Of Solstice" quest as much as he wishes, but the truth of the matter is that Gree has committed a blatant act of fraud.
By offering a product (the quest) that included an exchange of money as an available part of the product, Gree legally contracted itself to a set of terms and conditions with those players who chose to begin using Gree's quest-product for the duration of their use of the quest-product. By suddenly changing the initially-set conditions of the quest, Gree has performed a variation of the illegal business-practice known as "bait and switch" - the variation being that Gree switched the conditions of completing use of their product instead of the prices contained within their product.
I was offered a set of conditions in order to complete the quest, and the conditions of play were subsequently switched to a higher degree of difficulty than I'd previously been under. I was on level 13/20 of the heroic-level of the quest when Gree changed the initially-set conditions of their product. With the strategy that I was using under the original conditions of play, I would have easily completed the quest in about two more hours. With the new conditions, at my current level and stats, I won't be able to complete the quest at all without buying and spending gems. I am therefore directly accusing Gree of illegally using a form of "bait and switch" fraud in an attempt to coerce me to spend money that I would not have otherwise needed to spend in order to complete my use of their product.
No matter whether all of us can agree about the illegality of what Gree has done, I think that all of us can agree that what Gree did was grossly unethical and highly dishonorable - especially dishonorable after their promise to not make changes in active-quests anymore. In my opinion, the only way that Gree can reclaim their honor in this matter is to declare this tainted-quest to be null and void, and then do a data-push to place the reward for completing the quest in every Kingdom Age player's inventory.
Well, they made a higly exciting event, setting my alarm to go off every 5minutes to get one hit in so that the return damage can be avoided, into what must be the most boring and unintersting event ever...... Enjoy digging your own grave, Gree(d)?
Funny how all junior members post long, but correct analysis.
Let me tell you one thing: they don't care, KA isn't a game, it has become a slot machine
Gree is only interested in getting as much money with as low cost as possible...end of line...
As only a % use the forums on a reg basis... one should have people post to individuals walls in game aswell to fully spread the word..or it will fail again. We have tried this befor but only a few took part, some cut back on spending, but it wasent very effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spi
The link does not work, the group does not exist.
You guys have high expectations from Gree yet they always deceive you.
I got the same thing as the Red Baron. The group does not exist.
I too like many of you fell victim to Gree's schemes. Took the bait and started doing the heroic version of this quest. Even though I am too weak to finish the questline with out spending any gems. I thought the quest parameters were easy enough for me to do the quest as long as I checked into KA every 5-10mins. I had enough time to finish the quest with/out spending any gems if the original parameters were maintained. What sucked for me was that I still got one shotted even after the so called "bug-fix". Had a new level the entire energy from that level gone with one retaliation.
But, Guys shouldn't we be happy that Understaffed Gree, finally fixed a bug, and impressively in a lil over 24 hours. Cuz you know we have been complaining about various types of bugs over the past few months. Individual rewards bugged--bonus not being added to our totals. Epic Rewards from Raids missing 1 digit of stats (it should be 5k/5k--but its listed as 500/500). Crashing When visiting different maps...this list is too big to say it here. I guess my point is i'm looking forward to understaffed Gree taking care of our problems....Right?
To let us know of Ghree's official position on this matter, they sent us a man. We killed this messenger. But, we should not have. I do not believe he was trying to be insulting to our intelligence, or try to sneak in a few white lies. Its not his fault he doesn't know the mechanisms of this game. He is way too smart to be playing one of Gree's games, let alone pay real money for it. We should learn from him.
To Sum It UP: Ghree does fix bugs, but, only if it suites their own needs, they do not fix bugs for the customers...no matter how understaffed they are. Ghree's developers never really play this game, they have no clue how Kingdom Age works, if the developer doesn't know, how the hell are we suppose to.
/rant off
I'm not on anyone's side but I just find it funny that you all are complaining about a quest that was fixed so that it was suppose to be the way it is. What if this quest never had this bug? None of these threads would of existed.
I never read the post where Gree said they would never change a quest once it started, but I'm sure none of you would complain if it was changed in the player's favor. Like that one time where the exp was extremely high and they lowered it in the middle of the quest. None of you asked to change it back based on that "never change a quest parameter once started" principle.
I guess I don't stress about these because I'm a free player. To me, it is what it is and none of their bugs or changes will ever affect me so passionately. Heck, none of my guild members were pissed off about this. We're top 25 by the way. Just don't finish it if you can't afford it. Go outside, get some air, hang out with friends/kids/wife. It is certainly a nice break.
Ryosaeba, my complaint is that they waited so long that people who played t aggressively prior to the 'fix' were able to complete or nearly complete it vs those who didn't and therefor have zero chance, in particular free players. There are so many bugs that Gree ignores for months seemingly because there is no profit incentive but once one that presents lost revenue shows up, they fix it quickly(not quickly enough).
The last 2 units in this quest total nearly 100k attack without applying player bonuses. For the non elite, which is the majority of KA players, the discrepancy between completing and not completing is great and will impact results in face to face matchups in the upcoming war. The complete lack of equity in the results of this bug absolutely should be addressed by a fair minded gaming company, but IMO, the lack of redress on this issue is just another LOUD statement from Gree that they are anything but fair minded.
they are not telling the whole story?
Off course they know how to do this, but they **** up everything, and only care about money.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/01/gre...e-undisclosed/
To which most keep pouring the coin into and yet Gree keep playing the same card, now i would ask if the show was on the other foot what would Gree do! What would they ask for and what would they want ?
CJ54 you are what i call the face of the Gree company...please answer instead of your tip toe tactics and placing Bans on regular players who are just by the sounds fed up with the constant errors, so if you would endulge most of the FORUM Members here on some Clarity please
Thankyou
Man in the Mirror
Fred, normally you deserve respect but to call this as a cheat makes you look foolish - players were doing the quest as provided to them by the company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredcole
My sympathies are with the player alleging a bait & switch. Whilst it might not be so technically, what happened in the quest certainly sailed very close to the edge. Gree should have written this one off to experience. If all active players had completed the quest as initially provided to us, none woud have gained too much advantage from it.
hmm that none of your top 25 guild members were pissed that the money pit they keep filling every war bugged once again really worries me. If gemmers stop caring that what they pay good money for screws them over Gree has won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryosaeba
Technically it's free but I support them in other ways and they have no problem with that. There are lots of other things to do in this game besides throwing gems at it. We (with other free/paid players) organize the team for battles, guild quests, raid bosses, etc. We organize team events with jumpers with sister guilds and I donate lots of gold. I'm in constant contact and am very active in guild talk participation. Heck, during the last raid boss event, I was placed 15 out of 56 in terms of total damage. So no, it isn't free free. It takes a lot of my time. A lot more then if I just throw a mountain of gems at every event.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Evil
Honestly, not really. In the chats, people that got in the event early were just thought of being lucky. A few actually finished before the bug fix. The people that didn't blame themselves for not getting on the game sooner. They didn't blame Gree for fixing the bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Person
Slave mind mentality, plain and simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryosaeba
my thoughts exactly, hence my concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiloh
Say what you will. Doesn't affect me one bit. I find it hilariously funny that you all complain so much but yet, continue to play and continue to pay. Do you all keep going to a restaurant that serve bad food hoping it will improve one day?
None of my guild members are as bitter as you folks about a game that YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY. Honestly, when a game this bad (in your opinion) keeps you coming back for more, you have to question who is actually the slave.
@The Evil: Of course gemmers can do that. But the higher up you go, the less they have to do. The tighter the money, the more one would have to work.
Maybe you think I'm trying to justify myself for being a free player. I'm not. I'm constantly asking them if I need to step down to a camper guild to make room. They always insist I stay. Our gemmers gem not because they feel obligated, but because they want to. We have no spending requirements. We only have "soft" goals for everyone.
Besides, you have to admit, the prizes for battles have decrease in quality dramatically. Gree is focusing more on personal spending prizes. Battles to us now is just like another quest. It's certainly not as exciting as it used to be.