Max two guild merge with 100 members total. This way smaller teams have to get picked up. :)
Max two guild merge with 100 members total. This way smaller teams have to get picked up. :)
Let's let the answer for the question come out before we pursue Gerbear's posts. For any future posters.
Thank you.
What's to stop the Royal Knights from teaming with FUN? Is it top 20 with the next 20?
Thanks Sirius, we appreciate you taking action.
We need a level of transparency to see that players that break the rules have been dealt with. I support a "name and shame" approach, provided a proper investigation process has been followed.
When players spend real money on gems and gold, we don't want players to get away with daylight robbery. A streamlined reporting system will help.
We want to enjoy the game!
I appreciate the announcement, but feel that the members of FUN have made some good points.
Many folks here have made some very excellent points. This week has a lot going on so far (we just pushed out 1.9 which had some excellent things folks have been asking for) but, I want to work with all the teams here to make sure we can address everyone's comments and concerns.
I will ask folks to take time and reread all I had to say and share. Please don't just focus on one thing.
"Please note that many are unaware of someone in their guild dumping in gold and when they see their members banned/removed, they do get surprised and most times in a negative way. We don't want to punish those that were innocent and just going about playing the game they enjoy. So we are being very careful in the way we handle this matter and how visible the effects are.
This does not mean don't report them to us just note that it is a very sensitive matter and we do not want to have everyone get upset when they do see actions taken."
No one wants to be punished for what the small few choose to do, hence why we are taking this very seriously and doing our best to respect everyone's feelings on/in the matter.
As for other comments regarding things, they will be addressed. I appreciate what everyone has had to say thus far.
~Sirius
I for one appreciate the attempt at communication with the masses. I've been a console/pc/mobile gamer for a very long time and there is cheating/hacking/glitching in EVERY game. You can't prevent it, and sometimes the people on this same forum are the ones cheating and hacking. This a game for me and will remain a game for me...until pulling out my phone and showing a woman my kingdom gets me a date with a super model.
In light of what you just said, I'll focus on what you chose to highlight out of your own words, since clearly that's what you wanted to emphasize.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius
"Please note that many are unaware of someone in their guild dumping in gold..."
This is the part we take exception to. This is not possible or reasonable. Guilds have been out for four months. 8th grade math says that you cannot do what they did without cheating, not even mentioning a donation log.
"I'm sorry, I didn't know my executives were blowing my 401k on their private jets. Do I still get to keep my job at Enron?"
"I'm sorry, Your Honor, I didn't see the murder of that person right in front of my own eyes by my team mate. I also didn't know that I am required by law to report this crime. Can I not go to jail?"
Ignorance of the law is not an exception. These so-called legitimate players should reasonably know that they are benefiting from cheating. They are not victims. Your paying customers are. Make this right.
The problem we have is that you are putting the rights of players that have benefited from hackers, knowingly or unknowingly, over the rights of a far greater number of players that have been cheated out of tangible and intangible benefits by these hacked guilds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius
Every member of these 60 member guilds has had a great advantage for months in terms of gold they did not have to donate, energy/health/casualty/building bonuses, and event prizes (which members of legitimate guilds miss out on because they cannot overcome the member disadvantage at low levels of gem spending).
No one wants to be punished for what the small few choose to do, hence why we are taking this very seriously and doing our best to respect everyone's feelings on/in the matter.
As for other comments regarding things, they will be addressed. I appreciate what everyone has had to say thus far.
~Sirius
We as a forum Community appreciate your time and effort in this matter, but will we see a recount of the last few Wars dur to the illigitamant gain by those who chose the easy way compared to the rest that worked hard and dilligently to get where they are, some missed out due to certain Guilds talking spots that should have been for honest, i understand you dont want to upset the players "That dont know" that their Guild is Dubious ! but why negate who to upset and who not too ? look at the XP high gain Farce, a lot of people got burnt on that and no-one cared, so why put the kid gloves on over this ? i would be Strict and stringent on these types irellevent wether they new or not , its not an excuse?
Some Guilds advertise that they have unlocked all bonuses ? i mean really C'mon, its not a Means test ?! simple out and out wrong, they choose that guild suffer the consequences !, if i was in such a guild then i would expect nothing less than the return of all ill gotten gains and units, gold to be restored before said persons "Dumped it there", so an anyalergy of this would be...say 10-15 guilds dubious amounts of bonuses and memebers....so if Gree reverts the said Guild back to say 47-50 members thats 195 people Maximum that will get burned...compared to how many of us were cheated out of prizes , units and so on !
And the ball is back to you
Thankyou
About 60 guilds members with maxed bonus ... So RK does not make effort enough as they were only 58 last war. But sure those lower levels did it. Except FUN or RK (if they are 60 now), ALL 60 MEMBERS GOT IT HACKING. Stop being sloppy because those guilds have gem players in it
19th of April I sent in a report (#529099) about a player with over 368,000,000 in Gold, that is a member of one of the 60 members guild.
He is still playing! And the Guild still exist, are you realy doing anything about cheaters?
is the new guild quest time limited? i dont see anything about that on there
A lot of players do no spend thousands on wars as they see them as pointless they instead spend thousands if not more on gold. And you can also make 5mil-20mil if not more by farming not very hard.
The top guilds are far from the biggest real money spenders in this game.
I have personal friends that spend over 30k a month just on buying gold.
Name and shame is a very bad idea there are so many same name guilds and players it is not even funny.
I am not saying there are no cheaters there are and allways will be.
Wars are pointless, but gold is not. I don't know what game you're playing. The BS flag is being tossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusa
I'm really happy that gree listened to the players and added guild LTQs. Adds another element to the game and gets everyone evolved. BUT this is another HUGE advantage these 60 member guilds gain. They will go a lot further then legit guilds due to more members and energy regen. Something needs to be done about this! We actually lost 2 members to these hacked guilds boasting about maxed out bonuses. Players know max bonuses aren't obtainable without cheating and yet they still choose to go to these guilds. I don't see the innocence you speak of.
While you figure out a way to not piss off members in these hacked guilds.... instead you are pissing off everyone else who chooses to stay and build a legit guild. These hacked guilds hurt the game and lets players in them gain a huge advantage in all LTQs, Boss Events, and Guild Wars.
Explain why gree chooses to go about this carefully to not upset players who chose knowingly to be apart of a hacked guild? But choose to do nothing and piss off 90% of the players who chose to play the game the right way.
To a lot yes they are pointless not Even going to count how many camper guilds out there that do not take part in the wars are out there my guess over 500 some prob more.
Everyone has a differant play style in this game some like to fight some do not like to fight and some just do not care.
I Dought we will ever see eye to eye kj
After reading all the posts from beginning to end I see many valid points and some that really just sound like moaning and complaining. For one Gree did make an effort to let everyone know SOMETHING is being done about the problem. If everyone knows that it is ALWAYS going to be a problem regardless of how big or small what are we still talking about? Last I checked FUN was still the number one guild in the Giants Alley war and undoubtedly will be in Glacier Pass coming up in a few weeks. So, if these guilds are still winning legitimately how is it an unfair advantage? If that was going to be an argument then why has no one brought up anything about how unfair it is for FUN to still compete in the Guild wars and gain all the bonus units every single war where other equally legitimate guilds are doing the same and still not moving up/down much but still not receiving the same amount of units? I enjoy the game. Period. Bottom line is there is always going to be someone bigger, badder, smarter, and stronger that will come along. However they choose to do it. If someone decides to go download software and grant themselves an unlimited amount of gold, gems, and honor then I agree they should be punished but at the same time how many console users have done that in Call of Duty, Halo, or Grand Theft Auto? Is it not more fun to run around with a platinum RPG and feel like the most b.a.m.f. there is? Let the cheaters have their day and Gree will stop them for a time and the rest of us legit players will keep grinding it out. I'm not defending cheating the system at all but it will happen. If Microsoft cant stop it on Xbox Live or Sony get hacked out of their own system for 3 months or Apple stop jailbreaking completely why are you coming down so harshly about this? Play your game with your friends and do what you can. In he meantime expect Gree to handle it and keep their word and if they dont and that bothers you no one is forcing you to turn on the game and keep playing anymore. Lets be adults about this.
I guess many of us are being adult by highlighting our concern, submitting tickets when we see something wrong, making what we hope to be constructive suggestions and lobbying Gree along what we see as appropriate actions.
FUN still being number one does not mean hackers are not already hurting them. If we wait till the day hacker guild became number one, the problem will truly be beyond repair.
Regrettably I do not understand nor agree with comments that seems to suggest a cessation in "mourning" or "complaining" ...
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Originally Posted by SlayerD99
The boss said 3 days a couple hours a go now it is 1 hour??
then they are throwing away money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusa
i would gladly believe people spend some money on gold, but not 30k per month. Most people dont even make 30k per month, let alone waste it on buying something which can be gotten way cheaper on a IOS game. And yes its possible to get 5m per day in farming, but farming mobs for cash makes your lvl skyrocket and farming money from rivals is very time consuming.
Jonny - beta testers exist in most top guilds. I have yet to see any beta tester contribute exceptional amounts to guilds (unless they found a glitch which they should report). Also, beta testers may get a few "extras", but they are insignificant unless they use their own gems - and that is always a gamble, because beta testers lose benefits as often as they gain them (my experience anyway). An example of this was during a recent war during beta testing, 40 hits were not counted in the score.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny0284
Hope this helps dispel the notion that Beta is the reason guilds have 60 spaces. Oh, and beta testers get checked for legitimacy more frequently I think?
So have you guys figured out the weasel words yet?
Legit?
legitimately?
the 60 members guilds?
the total bonuses completed?
LOL
Dont you get it yet?
THEY ARE LEGIT!!!!
Not because they purchased gold or donated it.
But they have been deemed legit.
Pssst......
They are Gree
LOL
So you think there are 500 guilds that people form to "hang out" and not participate in wars, but instead to get the minor bonuses associated with being in a guild in the form of casualties, building speed and upgrades speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kusa
And you spend your precious gold on these, which you claim you find lying around on people's lawns? And to the tune of $5mil + per day? So why bother being in a guild, surely a few % off won't help, because you have installed the money tree anyways...
You sure sound like someone trying to legitimize his hacking experience, but hey just an observation.
War well, or in your case, have fun in the stands of life watching from the sidelines ;)
I disagree with the statement "...lobbying Gree along what we see as appropriate actions..." being that this is not a user created game. Gree has a responsibility to maintain certain standards but in the end it is their final decision and what they feel will be the most beneficial way to resolve a problem both from their side and ours. After that, nothing else needs to be said or go on for 5 more pages on the majority of how illegitimate Sirius' claim was about alliances having 60 members already or all the alliance bonuses. Frankly i don't understand or see how you could've read the last 5 pages and not witnessed what comes of as children whining because it's not being fixed their way as fast as they think it should be done. Again, if someone smart enough wanted to sit down and write a code for a program that beats the system, we'll say even, 7 out of 10 times it will be this whole process all over again.
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Originally Posted by King Ben
You have disagreed with the lobbying reference because this is not user created game ... I do not get the logic of your disagreement. Yes, we are consumers buying the KA product from Gree. Yes, some of us continue to do so because the fun outweigh the cost. This however does not preclude us from airing to the creator of the product what we would like to see changed. There are many companies that go out to seek such feedback and incorporate into their design. Gree did the same, arguably, with the guild quest. The logic behind the statement that you have made is best described as, illogical.
I do take exception with your statement of 'being adult' (something along this line) and 'children whining'. There are legitimate concerns over the impact of hacking and players are airing their concern. Some, granted, are more constructive in their responses than others. Your statement takes a broad brush and attached a childish tag to all who've raised their voice on this concern. I cannot help but have to raise my objection to what I perceived as unfair comment.
Btw, moderator, don't think my comment has crossed any line for me to be banned?
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Originally Posted by SlayerD99
I would see nothing wrong with it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by King Ben
And, we still have no answers other than "60 member guilds are legit" from GREE. Why is this taking so long?
Wish you were the moderator. Cheers !!!
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Originally Posted by jonny0284
Thanks for the spam of your Guild in this thread. Much appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coolbox
Sirius, i think its a wrong move by Gree to protect the "innocent" guild members. They should know something is wrong. In fact i think they should even be punished, not just lose their guild. If you buy a TV thats stolen, you will get punished in RL even if you "didnt know" it was stolen. Those guys have enjoyed the benefits of a hacked guild for a long time, so they have absolutely no complaints to make imo.
I know its hard to deal with hackers, but really this is one of the things you could correct fast and easy as there is just no chance of legit guilds with 60 members and all bonuses. In fact your approach actually will encourage hacking. Now you can just make a second hack account, release all bonuses and leave. Then you move in with your real one and all others(including yourself) are now "innocent" and legit. This just got to be dealt with.
Also, as one post say in here about buying tons of gold.. No way. I dont even bother arguing against that as theres just NO way any would be stupid enough to spend that kind of cash on "nothing".
Just a few questions as I'm curious. How come the top guilds only beta test? How do the top guilds legitimately score millions of cps in wars with 60 members or less? How come they can score millions of points within the first hour of the game when, presumably those members are high stats but not millionaires?
Longer standing members of the KA community.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior
They're 58 members. Such a stretch to conceive?Quote:
How do the top guilds legitimately score millions of cps in wars with 60 members or less?
Lots of Gems to gain pole position. C'mon, these questions are ridiculous.Quote:
How come they can score millions of points within the first hour of the game when, presumably those members are high stats but not millionaires?
Why rediculous? I said I was curious. I haven't been a member on here for long but I have played kingdom age for a very long time. My guild has 34 members, and yes, it is a stretch to conceive with playing the game and being a gem spender myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny0284
Your wallet and their spending don't match. It's not even funny how much they drop. Which is why it's even funnier when Gree suggests that someone is outspending them to get to 60 members.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior
Most guilds have one or two players that spend. Those guilds have 58 members that spend. Two or three mountains apiece adds up very very quickly when 58 people are doing it. Note that I'm not talking about FUN or RK, that's more like ten mountains apiece. But the principle remains the same.
And Johnny says your questions are ridiculous because a little thought and napkin math would have answered it yourself. If you don't like the answer you come up with, that's not our problem.
Like I alluded to before, I am "ignorant" but these questions are not ridiculous for newer members
of the forum. My guild mates question this all the time! What a way to make someone feel welcome, and trying to insult intelligence as well! Thanks for that!
Here's your welcome to the forum. S-e-a-r-c-h.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior
G-e-e t-h-a-n-k-s I mean, is that really necessary? Posting guild lines anyone? :/
We aren't calling you stupid. We're calling you lazy. There's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior
Yes but can I just say that the search feature includes results from all the funzio games. I know because I've tried on other issues. The only reason I asked the questions was because I was curious. I was not accusing anyone of anything. I just think it's helpful because newer people to the forum, who aren't necessarily new to the game may want to ask the same questions and the defensive attitude doesn't help. Also, we don't all view this forum on a large ipad or computer screen so navigating round a vast search isn't that simple. If I was lazy as you say I wouldn't have joined or bother to ask in the first place, and I would just make assumptions like a lot of people. I have total respect for the top guilds, and aim to get my guild there soon enough.
Try the advanced search, it's better. And I'm also on a phone. And, welcome to the forums. This is what you get. A bunch of a-holes lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisawarrior