MT's Camper/Boss Killer Guide

Well, for the whole dispute on developing an economy ...

My solution is this:

If you want the buildings, then build them.

Being a camper myself, I started off with Basketball Courts and Ice Cream Shops as well. My courts are both at level 10 now and I still have them both to this day. Do they take up a boatload of space? Yes. Are they the most effective buildings in my hood? Heaven's no. But I like them, and right now I enjoy having the double 10 buildings at the front of my hood. That's not to say that they might not get removed one day, but if I like them now, I'm keeping them. Plain and simple.

I thoroughly appreciate economic analysis, but it should really boil down to finding what you enjoy, and building an economy that works best for you. Your actual in-game play-time and collection cycles should be one of the biggest factors considered.

If you're not a very active player, then focusing on building up your Laundromat's is going to pretty much be a waste in the long run. You'll maybe collect them 2-3 times a day, far from being a worthwhile investment (Although they are excellent to initially get you going). Similarly speaking, if you're only able to collect on your Italian Restaurants once per day, then you're missing out on most of their benefits.

For people who only log in once or twice a day, I would strongly disagree with developing hoods that focus on buildings that produce cash quickly. Now you can use those buildings at first to help get the financial ball rolling, but don't really focus on developing them past anything reasonable (Perhaps level 4-7). You really won't be using them at all once you get your collection cycles running. Anything that generates cash in under 8-12 hours is pretty much going to be sitting in your hood all day, going uncollected. For any player, I would suggest looking at how many times you can realistically collect a building each day, and then focusing primarily on building up those buildings that will be the most effective for you.

For a newer player who is only on once or twice a day, having all of your 12/24/48 buildings built up is a much better focus. So Basketball Courts, Houses, Pawn Shops, Tattoo Parlors, Gun Shops, etc., should be the primary focus, with faster-producing buildings being the "secondary" upgrades as you get the chance (Ice Cream Shops, Laundromats, Italian Restaurants, etc).

Then you basically just keep up that routine until you can buy your first Movie Theater. Once you hit this point your MT upgrades become your primary focus. Everything else becomes secondary. Rinse and repeat until you can buy your first Loft. Same thing happens again until you can get your first Nightclub. And once you get your first Nightclub ... Well, by then cash won't even be a problem anymore ;)

Quality guide MT!

Been thinking of starting a camper for a while now, will definitely be following this guide when I get round to it.

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Originally Posted by MattThomas08

I truthfully don't know why he has decided to troll this one, but I honestly hope it helps people and I had no intention for it being his sounding board of minute details and do not wish to feed him any longer, as I've tried to avoid this far.

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I apologize if my peer review offended you in any way.

Part of publishing these types of things is adapting and tweaking them. It's impossible to be the foremost expert on every topic - there's nothing wrong with taking other people's suggestions and learning from their math.

If you wanted to write an autobiography of your camper account, that would have been fine, and I probably wouldn't have even read it. However, when presented as an end-all-be-all guide to growing a camper, you probably should have expected some differing opinions. The fact is - your main dispute with my points, backed up by math and reasoning, had more to do with how little I've helped the community. I don't think I ever saw Tramp Stamp, itz, WF, jimmyshines, allhail, Ramshutu, emcee, Dreno and all the other pioneers of the game (whine) and moan about being peer reviewed so much. My advice...let it go. If you disagree with me, use math not character assassinations.

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Originally Posted by Sunsets

If you're not a very active player, then focusing on building up your Laundromat's is going to pretty much be a waste in the long run. You'll maybe collect them 2-3 times a day, far from being a worthwhile investment (Although they are excellent to initially get you going). Similarly speaking, if you're only able to collect on your Italian Restaurants once per day, then you're missing out on most of their benefits.

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For me it was quite the opposite. When I first started playing, I rarely missed collections during daytime hours, even Laundromats, so they were valuable upgrades, along with my Italian Restaurants. Now, I log in less, but it like finding a thousand dollar bill on the floor to collect my Laundromats, so I do it, and I feel no need to replace them (yet).

As to hood planning, like you, I think the most important part is to figure out how often you will collect from a building, and modify the IPH Gain accordingly.

For instance, I expect to collect from a T-Shirt Stand once per day, which means my Realistic Collectible IPH (RCIPH?) is 75% of my IPH.

As a real-world example, two of my choices for upgrade include an L4 T-Shirt Stand and an L8 Basketball court. I prefer to upgrade whichever building will give me the highest RCIPH/Upgrade time.

Since L4->L5 T-Shirt will give me a RCIPH gain of ($10.00*.75)/per Upgrade hour (or $7.50/Hr/Hr), and an L9 Basketball court upgrade will give me $3.32/Hr/Hr, it’s a no-brainer to me, that the T-Shirt Stand will get the upgrade first.

Obviously, some people will collect Italians once a day, and others will collect 6 times per day, so mileage varies.

This is a good summary. It could benefit from linking in more of the detailed and more comprehensives threads about economy, build choices, bracketing, respect, bosses (although I think you linked this one), camping, syndicates etc posted by various other people for more in depth and "explained from first principles" information. There is simply too much info about the camping an economy game out there to really cover everything!

it maybe worth including the glossary I posted in case some of this goes over people's heads. I feel, somewhat that this is a good summary for those who know a little bit about the game, but someone who is brand new maybe a bit lost in some areas.

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Originally Posted by Ramshutu

This is a good summary. It could benefit from linking in more of the detailed and more comprehensives threads about economy, build choices, bracketing, respect, bosses (although I think you linked this one), camping, syndicates etc posted by various other people for more in depth and "explained from first principles" information. There is simply too much info about the camping an economy game out there to really cover everything!

it maybe worth including the glossary I posted in case some of this goes over people's heads. I feel, somewhat that this is a good summary for those who know a little bit about the game, but someone who is brand new maybe a bit lost in some areas.

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Thanks Ram - I'll continue to tweak it and link in some of the more in-depth discussions that others have covered in detail, that's a good suggestion. I tried to trim it down to make it not TOO long, even though it already is pretty long. Linking them toward helpful articles would be a good way to accomplish this if they want to get more in depth with it.

I'll use my saved reply and link to them...

I just wonder what is the maximum number of boss events you're able to participate in while camping in tier 1, 2 and 3? I'm talking about the situation when you only participate in boss events and build your atk stats, so only bosses net you xp. Basically how many xp do bosses give you?

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Originally Posted by splinker

I just wonder what is the maximum number of boss events you're able to participate in while camping in tier 1, 2 and 3? I'm talking about the situation when you only participate in boss events and build your atk stats, so only bosses net you xp. Basically how many xp do bosses give you?

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There's a guide that tells you. I'm fairly certain that if you start at level 10, you can get 3 full boss events in on the first tier

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Originally Posted by splinker

I just wonder what is the maximum number of boss events you're able to participate in while camping in tier 1, 2 and 3? I'm talking about the situation when you only participate in boss events and build your atk stats, so only bosses net you xp. Basically how many xp do bosses give you?

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The most I have heard of completing in Tier 1 is 3 boss events, but it requires some serious dedication or a couple vaults of gold. I'm not sure about Tier 2, but if you beat 3 in tier 1, you'll be taking down A LOT of bosses in Tier 2 and 3.

One thing to keep in mind is the final bosses may be going up to 50 soon like MW. In this case, we may have to revisit the strategy and numbers slightly.

Good post, BTTT

Thank you Matt for posting something valuable that contributes to the forum - a pleasant change from the usual trollery, hack complaints, gree complaints and so on. And also, I like the ice cream shops - for newbies the 3 hour collection time means there is something to do more often early on and they look ok too - I've still got my two even though they now barely contribute anything to my economy.

Good sound of advice..could you Add all 4 in "1 player " accepts in an hour 488 804 846 , 186 202 901, 480 743 199, 968 862 179 , low level camper,thanks Matt.

Enjoyed reading all the posts above and would like to point to one missing statistics that I think is very important for a camper. I think the Table listing XP for each level would be extremely useful in guiding a camper through certain events, such as LTQs. For my camper I set an objective of 4k att/def gain per level as an absolute minimum with the average goal of 6k per level. Thus, when I look at an LTQ i calculate the total weapon att/def gain in going to a certain level as well as the total xp gain and stop when xp gain exceed my target for stats gain. Unfortunately CC only gives the number of xp needed to reach the new level while I would like to know the XP of the next level as well. Anyone aware of the table listing xp per level? Would appreciate a link.

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Originally Posted by is1j

Enjoyed reading all the posts above and would like to point to one missing statistics that I think is very important for a camper. I think the Table listing XP for each level would be extremely useful in guiding a camper through certain events, such as LTQs. For my camper I set an objective of 4k att/def gain per level as an absolute minimum with the average goal of 6k per level. Thus, when I look at an LTQ i calculate the total weapon att/def gain in going to a certain level as well as the total xp gain and stop when xp gain exceed my target for stats gain. Unfortunately CC only gives the number of xp needed to reach the new level while I would like to know the XP of the next level as well. Anyone aware of the table listing xp per level? Would appreciate a link.

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a nice, small necro.

My mini is:

Lvl 3
IPH: $8k
Attk:2k
Def: 2k
Bank: $400k
Mafia: 30
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Do I just save for Loft? Or are MT's worth it? Id like to afford an LTB before lvl20. Join a camper Syndicate?

you can now add your code to this page (much more people will see it cause its newer)

http://crimecodes.de.tl/

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Originally Posted by mxz

Basketball Courts and Ice Cream shops are a terrible investment, even in the beginning stages. There's no rush to get a huge IPH since most of your stats will come from scratchers (as well as a lot of your early cash)....no reason to waste gold on them. Most buildings are NOT optimal at level 5, and not all buildings are created equal. There are plenty you can skip. House and Tattoo Parlors should go to 10 while youre bringing your Italians to 7 or 8. By the time you plant a MT those are just about the only 3-4 buildings you need. After you get your lofts up, you can ditch the tattos and the houses. After your NC1 is as L2 you can sell off everything except the MTs and Lofts, if you want.

Skill points in ATK and DEF is awful advice. Your formula is also off by a factor of 10; it also maxes out at 10. For a level 10, if they put all skill points into ATK it will only have raised their stats by 51 points. That's a couple days worth of scratchers. Keep your skill points for energy and stamina - which actually do something.

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Basketball courts and ice cream shops are worth it in the beginning. ANY building is important early on. I am level 1 $145k iph. 2 clubs. I got those by getting those 2 buildings to 10 ASAP then MT to 4 then loft to 5 then club. Saving for second club upgrade. I will have the highest iph in the game by level. I agree about skill points going to energy or stamina with the new events coming out it really helps. Good luck campers!