If you had spent enough for the streaks you would be happier.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdub
If you had spent enough for the streaks you would be happier.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdub
I'll give you a hint, b... There's a link on the front page. You might want to look at the second paragraph under "inappropriate content."
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I would advise ANYONE with a transferred account to NOT join The Art of War
Well now. Looks like the best place to go for anyone with a transferred account is TAW and absolutely NOT SAS...excellent job on recruiting, Monte.Quote:
By my count, TAW has definitely banned two accounts on SAS, and very likely four.
The TAW inner circle are most pleased with your work.
Aha, sorry you're right, what kind of a friend would I be if I referred anyone to a game ran by GREEQuote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
That's why "reputation" is in quotesQuote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
There's some out there take this game way too seriously. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan1000
Haha, ik, it's funny. Drama in general is stupid, but over a phone game?Quote:
Originally Posted by sister morphine
When untold hundrerds of thousands of dollars (millions even) are spent by a single syndicate, drama is inevitable
For the record, the first two accounts were banned nine months to a year ago. They were indeed reported by "the board". "The board" or at least the boqrd members I have talked to say they don't know anything about the two recent ones, haven't heard anything, and of course can't be bothered to pursue it or out a stop to it. Very typical TAW lack of accountability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan1000
As I said earlier, my advice for any transferred accounts in TAW is to leave before the next war. And if you plan on joining them with a transferred account,I would advise against that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaggard
The fact you felt that you needed to add the word serious in your thread title made me chuckle.
Monte,
SAS and TAW are why this game is so bad and poorly run. The constant over spending just reinforces all of the bad decisions made by GREE. If you really want to make a difference and want GREE to take you/SAS seriously. STOP SPENDING! That's all it will take. No need to complain on the forums. No need for people to insult you or SAS. You can control what happens. Try it. You might actually like the changes that SAS would be responsible for.
Pride won't allow any of the top teams, especially the top 2, to even consider spending less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjc
I disagree with this view. A cheap war would be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by aarondavidsdad
Montecore, you are SO right on this issue. That said, upon reflection, one could say that the inter-relationships with the big spending conglomerates is reflective of the real life relations between organized crime and the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by montecore
Problem is, it goes beyond the boundaries of a game (in both instances).
There is nothing stopping you.Quote:
Originally Posted by montecore
Pride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Looks like montebore just inserted his other foot.
LOL! Both feet in the same thread this time! What a tool.
Wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
Montecore has a personal vendetta against TAW and its members.
When ever something goes wrong , SAS always blames TAW.
THIS THREAD CLEARLY STATES EXACTLY THAT!
Please refrain from attacking each other. If you find that someone has purchased an account from other players, please send in a ticket with any available screen shots and information. Sharing, Selling, Donating accounts that do not belong to you is a breach of the TOS and Gree takes that seriously.
Gree does see from other forms of communications (Line/Groupme), that other people are purchasing accounts and has been banning those.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by legalious
Extras
If you see a database error, please don't keep hitting "post" over and over...
From Gree's perspective, if someone wants to spend $500 on Crime City, that money should be spent on gold, not to pay off someone who's bored of the game and wants out.
From a player's perspective, we all want to be the strongest in the game. If someone quits, they're out. It's really frustrating watching five different people take over the same account, none of whom have put in the same work or money you've put in, and watching that account beat you over and over again.
All accounts are owned by Gree. You can't legally sell something that doesn't belong to you. Luckily for those involved, instead of taking legal action Gree is just banning accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan1000
There's also the issue of someone technically "saving" thousands of dollars by paying someone a fraction of that for an account rather than paying Gree the cost of building that account. They may still spend a lot with the account, but there's no way for Gree to "recover" the lost revenue from somebody paying a third party for Gree's services.
Not to mention, as Dipstik correctly points out, attrition is an important part of these kinds of games. If the strongest accounts are consistently passed down from one person to the next, eventually nobody will bother paying Gree at all because no amount of money spent by one person on one account can compete with an unlimited number of individuals matching that amount on a single account.
Then there's that gold bonus program. Why spend $10k individually to qualify for the top tier if your syndicate can keep a "group" account on which they can spend $170 each for the same result?
Gree cannot sue you for violating the TOS. Their remedy is to ban you from all services and delete any offending accounts.
I can see why Gree doesn't want OP old accounts passed around. They're OverPowered and if the person playing it left, the account should go with that person. Makes perfect sense.
However, if Gree has turned a blind eye to it until just now and then are selectively banning OverPowered accounts, that sucks.
If all accounts belonging to someone that is not the original owner of that account are being wiped, fine.
If some are going and some are staying depending on your current affiliation, that is definitely not fine.
I believe that's all Monte is trying to say, and it sounds fair enough.
There is nothing at all morally or criminally wrong with transferring an account for a fee. However, it is common for game companies to attempt to bar such a practice for the reasons Weasel articulated, namely to manage their revenues.
Whether the SAS syndicates decide to report people who sell their accounts is their own prerogative, and whether it is an underhanded way to compete is anyone's to debate.
However, it is clear to nearly everyone, except the usual troll, that it smells of jealousy and desperation. And, the way SAS chose to announce their decision to report transfers leaves the typical bad taste.
And what of the allegation that TAW have already (selectively) reported transfers? Does that taste better or worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
We are discussing outcomes now?Quote:
Originally Posted by legalious
GREE is spying in our 3rd-party chat rooms?
omg, who knew! :confused:
There is nothing morally wrong with transferring an account for a fee? I'm no lawyer, so really can't say much about the legality of it, but exchanging for monetary gain an item/product which does not belong to you, thus depriving the actual owner of said item or product of their due earnings, is not right from any angle. IMO, that is tantamount to theft.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Spin it however you want, people who sell accounts are making a profit from selling something which they did not create, invent, produce, etc., and that they do not, have not, and never will control ownership of.
Sorry, I have a habit of doing that. Even if there is no error :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
And I see your guys points, but I'm looking at it from the point where its a freaking phone game and people shouldn't care if an account is passed down.
If you had something valuable (not saying a crime city account is in any way valuable), and you gave it to your kid, who sells it to his friend. Did you lose anything? Other than something sentimental to you. GREE doesn't lose any money from sold accounts. If anything they just made a new paying customer
Your analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan1000
If they thought they came out ahead they'd allow it. Or selectively enforce it in special circumstances. The reason games like this usually have a rule against transferring accounts is because they assume it's better to make someone start from the beginning than to let them take a shortcut. If they want to get ahead that bad they'll spend more before they give up and quit.
Do you even try to think about these things or do you just pick a position and make whatever assumptions you need to support it?
Alright, I see where you're getting at with that. Still don't agree with banning the sold account. That's a waste of all the former player's effort and/or cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dipstik
And well, I have my position, but can't find an argument that would match that of a lawyer's and a weasel's
I never said SAS had decided to report transfers. I still think it's a lame thing to do. It's been talked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJess
Everyone in this game should have to start at the same place, level one with a blank hood and no stats. If someone has enough of the game and quits then they're account should quit with them. The selling of accounts goes on in an industrial scale. When I was looking for a new syn to join recently,I was told by two people that my stats were bad but that wasn't a problem as I could join a room and buy a low level account for $50!! People are so lazy nowadays they want the world and they want it yesterday. It just makes a joke out of the people who actually put the time and effort in to build their player/hood.
Gree did not do ALL of the creating though. Gree can create the blank hoods and level one characters. It is up to others to do the rest. The characters that are being sold have been "created" by those that have spent, in most cases, YEARS and LOTS of MONEY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weasel
Why shouldn't the creator of those accounts be allowed to be compensated for their effort if a market exists for such creations?
Because it's a game and games have rules?
It's like any other product in the world of computing. You have a license to use it (in this case the license continues to be free of charge) and nothing more. All rights remain with the company, whether you like it or not. The player's "creation" is limited to use of the various buildings, weapons etc designed by the company for use in the game. How much money any individual player spends to obtain those items is down to them; there's no obligation to spend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dat Guy
The thing about buying a decent account is that it actually encourages the buyer to use gold to protect his initial investment in the account.
The type of person who is willing to buy a crime city account is not likely to be someone fresh off the street who has never played the game before. It's someone who already knows the game mechanics and economics who can place a value on the stats of the account. The price they pay for the account must be a discount on the price they would pay in gold to reach similar stats.
I would wager that the main reason this person would consider buying another account is because the cost to reach their desired stat level with gold alone is prohibitive. Without the opportunity to buy an account at a discount, this person (and therefore the general population) is likely to spend less on gold.
Remeber guys, Crime City is past its prime. Why would anyone buy in at this point anyway? New blood is obviously on the decline, hence why we see Gree gouging old timers as much as possible with the rerelease of LTBs, the last drop of decency left to milk. It may not hurt if this practice is not wide-spread, but banning sold accounts will not help their bottom line at this point in the game's life-cycle.
This is a classic case of human trafficking.....these avatars are being pimped against their will and GREE is just looking out for their welfare.