Gree,
You need people to spend gems to pay for this game. When you make the gemmers equal to the non gemmers you are telling all not to spend gems. This is not an advanced concept Really.
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Gree,
You need people to spend gems to pay for this game. When you make the gemmers equal to the non gemmers you are telling all not to spend gems. This is not an advanced concept Really.
Just checking in to see if any progress has been made, given that I refuse to log in to KA at this point, but I see nothing has changed... :(
Sorry that we have not gotten back to you all sooner. As many of you know there were some issue this week with the update to 3.1, which may have also lead to some of you running into issues with the new Epic Boss and your hero items. We have been focused on getting those issues resolved as well as working on new content for the holidays.
I know the Waffle King is working on a formal post about the update and changes to the game but I did want to give you all an additional tip for the event:
Auto Equip will always give you the most powerful items in your inventory based off of their combined ATK+DEF. While this is great for things like PVP where both stats are now taken into consideration, events like Epic Boss where you are only attacking the enemy, manually equipping your items with the best ATK stats in each slot can make a huge difference.
This... Derez, you're missing the point here. I mean, I just did your 'tip' here and jumped about 7% Hero Power. Yeah, that's nifty and all, but...
- HP Jump in comparison to damage was too high. See the first post, first quote. Heavy gemmer's view, mind you, so it's pretty jacked up how hard you just bent gemmers over the table here.
- SKILLS ARE DOING NOTHING FOR THIS EVENT. Attack, Hero Attack... there appears to be zero impact. So, yeah. another jacked up point there.
- Your earlier remarked about 'not being able to dominate, but still easily complete the event' is also jacked. I was 2 free hitting bosses, now I'm on Boss 60 and needing 5 gold hits and a freebie already. So, yeah, major issue there.
No offense, Derez, but GREE staff seems amazing at giving replies that aren't anywhere near what we want to see from you all.
Hello Kingdom Age players,
Thank you for all your feedback on our changes to the Epic Boss event. We really appreciate all the replies and look into changes based on your concerns.
The changes to this event were never intended to make you feel like we are ignoring all of the hard work that you have put into your armies but rather meant to give value to the new hero items that players have been working hard to craft and collect. Without meaningful uses for those new items, such as major events like Epic Boss, the new features and items would not be creating any value for players. We still value your armies and the hard work you have put into creating them, which is why the majority of our events are still centered around those stats.
With that said, we also want to be able to challenge our player base in new ways to prevent the game from becoming stale and repetitive. Many of our dedicated long time players have maxed out in one way or another and we want to offer opportunities for all players to continue to grow and progress in Kingdom Age. We know this is a large change to one of our longest running events and that change can be difficult, but we hope you can understand why some of these changes are necessary to extend the longevity of the game.
We understand that the community has felt ignored and unimportant in the past and we are working to change that going forward. We will continue to engage with the community to modify and update events so that you, the players, can still enjoy and be challenged by our live events. Your feedback will be taken into heavy consideration for tuning the Epic Boss event going forward as it would not be fare to reactively make changes to the current event which players have already spent time and money on.
We hope that you as the community will continue to support us and help us make this game better. We look forward to providing you with new experiences and adventures in 2015.
HERO STRENGTH DOES make your damage go up on the Epic Boss. Now I'm NOT saying it's much but I just added 1 to HERO STRENGTH and my damage went up by 1 pt. So yes, this is one part they did say would matter in EB is HERO STRENGTH. It's the RB that is HERO ATTACK and is where EVERYONE will have issues since until then those meaning ATTACK/DEFENSE had no meaning. So on that note, GREE I hope you figure a way to release the skill pt reset option ASAP or before the RB event starts or it will be what your seeing ALL OVER AGAIN and that event I know is y'all's biggest $ maker besides war.
Of course it does. I could have told you that.
Take your Total Power attack stat (on the Hero Equip tab) and add it to 1/2 your Hero Strength. Round up or down ads necessary. This is your gold hit value damage.
Total Power Attack + (1/2)Hero Strength = Gold hit
0.67 x Gold hit = free hit
1.5 x Gold hit = gem hit
Unofficial translation/intetpretation of gree words based on players sentiments
1- we need players to level up, that is why XP is 10* boss level
2- we need to reduce number of player that can finish EB free
3- we need to increase gem spending by players and this EB fullfill that need
4- we soend too much creating crafting and now we need players to spend more gems to recover our investment, that is why we are having 100% gem oriented crafting event
Merry xmas KA, next year will be better (cross my heart and hope to die)
The problem is that even with the best equipment, it's taking many gold hits to kill these bosses. My games have the best hero equipment you can craft, and it just took me 9 gold hits for boss 87. That boss also gave me @ 900 xp. NINE HUNDRED XP.....that's insane.
I have multiple games, three of which are levels 209-213, so I suppose I'll go to 100 with them. I'm going to have to stop at boss 73 on the other game, now level 154.
By the way, last EB I could kill the level 100 bosses with free hits. 3, 3, 4 and 6 hits respectively.
The concept of using Hero strength is not too bad, but since we all already have the best equipment, and there is no way to improve on the equipment, the boss has way too much health, and gives way too much experience.
Reduce the xp by 90%, and at least level the Boss' health out at maybe 5000 instead of 10,250, and we might have a viable event. Not this time. I just hope that we don't have a mass retirement for the game over this, like we did after the first "new stat" war.
So, you are basically saying that you hear us, but you don't really care. This is the future of KA and live with it or don't play. I also hear that you may change it in the future, but it is unlikely and it will be filled with other bugs.
The proof is in what the developers do. I respect that KA had to change and that you will not modify an event mid-stream, but it must be tuned going forward. This one was an Epic Fail (sorry to use a cliche here) and a horrible event. Listen to your customers or watch us walk away.
GREE!
I am calling Bull$4$%4
Ok... I will humor your idiotic notion that you want to value crafting and make this an exciting element of the game (dumb idea but will continue down this path for argument sake)... OK so lets add up all the best equipment we can craft:
Shaman Hood 66 attack
Wizard Rob 106 attack
Soldier Boots 86 attack
Foliage Falchion 200 attack
Rusted Gauntlets 44 attack x2
total attack 546
This equates to about 600 EB attack using gold (depends on your heroic Skill points but I am using an average).
***THAT IS 17 GOLD HITS on a lvl 100 boss (~10,200 health)*** REALLY!!!!!!!!!
Now lets talk about Heroic Equipment. You have not offered decent weapons or armor prizes in quite some time. And the ones you have offered most of us have (shadow sword or Infinity Sword) and Dark Stone Armor (tangent: why they heck is 1000 kills in war a weak and terrible weapon or armor - these should have been better than the best that is out there not significantly weaker). So we are all about the same in attack (AND YOU KNOW THIS). So the one item that you tightly control (Heroic equipment) is now the center of this new event. I will once again call it for what it is... A PLOY TO BILK US FOR MORE MONEY, plain and simple. We are tired of the lies and the "marketing". I would at least respect an honest answer. what you present is Bull$4$%4
Yawn.......I said eff this and decided not to do it. Former heavy gemmer, now a spectator. Stop tweaking(ruining) the fun events by giving out crappier prizes that are harder to obtain regardless of your investment level. Kudos on the player swap feature. It's about 1.5 years overdue.
This is a joke i dont understand.
I cannot rmember that we the comunity have been asked before doing very stupid things.
Even if we are asked after, GREE does not listen at all.
A tip about auto equip, yes instead of 13 hits you may need only 12 hits to kill a boss, very helpfull.
But most did know before.
And never put auto equip on as it does not equip the best balance alltimes, during war i go new but worse items which were eqipped.
To summarize, the changes to EB have increased time and gems to complete, or try to complete, EB; XP has increased so people are leveling faster; prizes aren't as good; and more players have quit trying EB, or even the game. Sounds like business as usual at GREE. :mad:
Gree,
Here are some key suggestions
- Do not change raid boss - it is finally to a place where top 25/50 guilds can finish. It still requires gems and a lot of planning for them. Let them enjoy it and don't compound the issues.
-keep big picture perspective- we know you need to make money - but the big spenders who could do epic boss free were still spending tons of gems during war. Chasing them away is penny wise but pound foolish.
-have a fix in place by next epic boss. I have convinced most to give it one more chance.
-I understand wanting to incorporate the new stuff. I would suggest adding a significant factor for army attack to your formula, maybe 100 points per 100M attack. You still may need to crank the difficulty down a bit. When players go from 1-2 free hits for a level 100 boss to 16-20 gold hits they are understandably quite upset.
-lower the xp by a factor of ten. This is absurd as is.
I think these are all reasonable suggestions that fit within your criteria. But know that all are watching closely.
Thank you Jomomma! Great suggestions (especially the Raid Boss point)
I will add one more to the Epic Boss:
Since GREE is now stating they WILL NOT move EB back to the old format, then I would suggest you bring back UNIT Totals into the equation. Here is how it could be done:
- Currently I have Heroic Equipment that gives 620 attack points
- My Gold hit is 699
- My attack is 1.45B. If you multiply this by 0.00000015, you would get ~217 points.
- If you add this my new gold hit would be ~916 (699+217=916).
This would take into account all the hard word people have previously put into the building up a strong account. But it would still highly value the Heroic element in the equation (for me it would be a 75/25% split).
I would suggest a much higher factor but recognize you would have disregarded the idea all together if the total went over 1,000 hit points for each gold hit.
Agree Mattman.
We are on the same wavelength. I suggested 100 points per 100M attack and you suggested 15. I think the higher number may be needed to calm folks down (especially if that was free hit adder). With a 10K level 100 boss, Gree needs to get it a bit closer to what folks were used to. In fact it should be higher. A 2B stat player should be able to get it at least back to 4-5 free hits if he has good equipment. He was doing 2-3 before.
Basically what you are saying, screw your concerns its our way or the highway! Unless you revert back the EP to previous state you are going to loose us and loose us for good.
We dont care about the idiotic Crafting feature; it has "0" effect, has absolutely no added value and ridiculously boring. You can not change the dynamics of the best piece of this game (of course this is EB), just to re-emphasize the added value of your new feature (the ridiculous Crafting crap).
BRING BACK THE EB TO ITS PREVIOUS STATE OR WE ARE WALKING AWAY
You have lost the support of the players who spend money on this game. The death spiral began not long ago and has now reached the tipping point. Potential new players will read the App Store comments and know. Old players will not invite their friends and family or start over or spend another dime on this craptastic mess. Players who have been loyal for years are throwing up their hands and walking away from the game. Mass Exodus and Gree posts junk like this response? Merry Christamas Gree and congratulations on killing off another popular game.
For the past two weeks, I've been enjoying another game that doesn't have bugs or change the fundamentals after you've spent thousands of dollars on it. There are better, cheaper alternatives to Gree games. Just a shame that I may have to give up this one.
Thank you for giving me something to look forward too. When I use the remaining gems I have (way toooo much) I'm going to delete this app. I'll look for a new game occupy my time (and spend my money on) after the first of the year. I'm really excited about the new experiences and adventures I'll have in 2015.
Marquis, shoot me a PM on Kak about the other game you are playing.
Waffleking, Clementine, Derez or Taaadaaah........ I know y'all have somewhat explained the reason for new style of EB BUT can we PLEASE get a answer on why y'all raised the TREMENDOUS amount of XP the bosses are giving now?? I know we all see it's to level us up faster or it's basically the ONLY reason we as a community can come up with but would be nice to hear if this is a mistake or if there is a reason behind it!! Not holding my breath for a answer cause I would probably suffocate myself to death(lol) just poking at y'all, but just seeing by any chance y'all have one!!
And yet still no response from Gree folks...
Marquis, pls pm me the name of that new game on kakao as well mate. Unless they revert back the EP its previous dynamics not going to buy any gems, just going to use my remaining gems (way tooo much) and delete the app.
Maybe they will wake up when us the top3 cash cows walk away from the game they will realise their HUGE MISTAKE but by then it will be TOO LATE.
Seriously Gree? Last EB, was 1 gold and 1 free at level 70. I have the best helmet that can be crafted, I have the best boots that can be crafted, as well as the best artifacts, I have earned the best weapon and armour available, I have fully equipped my army with the best weapons, armour, and artifacts gold can buy...this event is 7 times harder at level 70....
Who can say money grab?
Adjustment to take advantage of new crafting abilities...rubbish.
A minor adjustment I could understand..but 7 times the difficulty? Do you really think as customers we are so stupid we can't spot a money grab when we see one? I for one will NOT spend a gem in this event, after the many many gems I have spent to build a strong character.
Gree you have lost you way, you say you listen to you customers....well hear them walking out the door!
We will be making adjustments to the Epic Boss. It was too hard and we apologize and next Epic Boss you will see changed to make it easier. I do also want to address the players who think we are just going to keep making changes without taking into account our users feedback. We felt making the changes in the middle of EB would be a bad idea but we will make difficulty changes in the future so that our community is happy with the balance of Epic Boss.
why you refuse to lower it for what is left of this current EB? it has been done in the past, why not now???
Still 25 hours left on EB, if you drop the XP, you will see ALOT of players, killing bosses and even spending some gems to complete the legendary part
you are just confirming to ALL players that the XP was done on purpose with the SOLE goal of making every players level up as much as possible
you know, Appreciation month was very crappy for every player, but still compare to how you are treating us know, for most of us, it is feeling that you were really appreciating us back in October
If you are going to keep this new format of EB, here is what you need to do:
1 - Health of the L100 boss shouldn't exceed 2000, this is the max
2 - XP should be the same as previous EB
3 - Crafting should more realistic less Utopic. Charge us gold and honour (no gems for this), for us to get the missing ingredients.
4 - Fix your Legendary bug. People who are doing legendary, find that some of the L100s are resetted back to 0 after couple of hours.
5 - L100 prize should be a unit with Permanent Boost
6 - Legendary prize should be a unit with Permanent Boost
7 - Take the box event out of the Slayer equation, we are not in a casino, when I wanna go there I do that in Monaco not in KA.
LETS HOPE THAT ONCE AGAIN THIS WILL NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS.
Thank you, Waffleking. I appreciate your apology and your efforts to make the EB less of a burden next time. You must understand that we are not accustomed of being heard. Taadaah was great and it seems that you are following up nicely. I look forward to the positive changes and the mod relationship. Cheers!
It's now the next Epic Boss. The experience points are lower, but the bosses seem just as hard. I hope the boss' health caps soon. I just needed 4 gold hits on boss 58. I do know that last time boss @ 72 took me 7 gold hits. My gold damage went from 755 to 788 this time.