[AMA] Hero Equip and Crafting

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Originally Posted by Marabout Khidir

- How is the Hero Strength and Hero Defense calculated?
- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
- Does your level affects your stats? In that case which stats and by how much?
- Is there any other parameters/algorithm that affects the outcome of a PvP-fight/war rather than the three stats-categories?
- In the last war you couldn't immediately see the opponents full stats. Only after you attacked you could click and get up the full profile. Will this be changed now since we need all stats on the table to determine the outcome of a fight?
- Will you try and even out the gap in which a guy with considerably lower Units-stats can win over a guy with high stats? Yes, "best of 2 out of 3", but still, this gap is too big to be fun. We would wish that you put in an algorithm stat stops this gap at, let's say 20% higher than your own.
- When will our extra allies return (for us that won those kind of bonuses in the past)?
- When can we upgrade the Crafting Workshop?
- And get some decent recipes to craft?
- Will there be any new guild-bonuses now to complement these new updates? Like a Army Equipment-bonus?
- Will you compensate us in any way as an excuse for how things went haywire when the war started?

And a sincere request from everyone in Celtic Angel Warriors:
Please, please GREE: don't launch any updates right before a war again, but rather after it is over.

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Celtic Angel Warriors,

- How is the Hero Strength and Hero Defense calculated?
Answered in my reply post to Jnsolberg.

- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF. We plan to allow players to re-spec their character and have discussed additional changes to the skills system to make them more in line with where the game is going but that is still in the air.


- Does your level affects your stats? In that case which stats and by how much?
Your level does not directly affect your stats. However, crafting items will be level locked requiring players to be at a higher level to have the most powerful items in the game.

- Is there any other parameters/algorithm that affects the outcome of a PvP-fight/war rather than the three stats-categories?
There are no additional factors outside of what I mentioned in my other post.

- In the last war you couldn't immediately see the opponents full stats. Only after you attacked you could click and get up the full profile. Will this be changed now since we need all stats on the table to determine the outcome of a fight?
We actually wanted to make other changes to the outcome display but some of our team was worried about changing it too much. The original design awarded points to each player for each category which made it apparent where you may have been failing. The main concern was that all of the large stats would no longer be shown and it may have felt too disconnected and confusing.


- Will you try and even out the gap in which a guy with considerably lower Units-stats can win over a guy with high stats? Yes, "best of 2 out of 3", but still, this gap is too big to be fun. We would wish that you put in an algorithm stat stops this gap at, let's say 20% higher than your own.
This will even out. In the case of a 20% gap it should not be happening but with everyone not having items for armies or hero it is possible that it created a bigger initial gap than anticipated.

- When will our extra allies return (for us that won those kind of bonuses in the past)?
This is actually just a display bug and will be fixed in the next update. All of your allies are actually being calculated correctly.

- When can we upgrade the Crafting Workshop?
We are still testing some features and balance with the additional levels and hope to have more levels out very soon. We have planned up to level 10 but the next update may max out at level 5 as our team has also been busy with our next update.

- And get some decent recipes to craft?
Better crafting coming with higher levels.

- Will there be any new guild-bonuses now to complement these new updates? Like a Army Equipment-bonus?
We are looking at new bonuses but it is currently not at the top of our todo list.

- Will you compensate us in any way as an excuse for how things went haywire when the war started?
Going forward we will be working on better ways to communicate and plan out new feature releases so that this type of issue happens again.

Tadaaah, please don't lock this thread when the AMA is over so the convo can continue among the players. Maybe move it to a sticky in General? This info is too important.

If you ask me, Gree should do the calculations and provide us with one "battle score" so we would know who we can beat and who we can't. If I wanted to do math problems I'd go back to school. I play KA to relax not to try and wrack my brain on complex math formulas. A simple aggregate score would be easier and leave little to doubt.

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Originally Posted by Tadaaah

We'll keep answering questions past the deadline.

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Thank you that helps out.

@ Derez: you said before that Hero Strength is the only stats that affects Hero Stats. That cant be as many people who have a lot of skill points in HS have much lower Hero stats (with same weapons and items) then other people with far less Skill points in HS. Can you please explain how that relation from HS to Hero Stats should be if the only factor?

It appear to me that skill point in Army attack influence the Hero Stats as by all calculations and comparisons it leads to that estimation.

I also heard about that old formula not sure if true, but gets close to the reality.

(Skill points in Army Attack * level of player) / 10 + hero stats from items + hero individual attack boosts = Hero Stats

Can you confirm that or tell us the factors of how Hero Stats are calculated or can be improved?

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Originally Posted by sixshooter

Switching gears, is there any plan to bring back legacy items for players who joined after they were originally offered, perhaps simply missed them the first time around, or lost them to some freak Gree Glitch? I know you are once again offering Witch's Lairs (for how long I don't know), but how about Tree Forts and Hawks Nests, etc? Without these strong defensive structures, newer players will never be competitive.

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We have looked at offering limited time items again but part of the appeal of these items is that you can only get them within a small window of time. We will continue to offer special items that helps boost those stats and have also looked at making new permeant items that are offered in the store as well. In the 3.0 release we did boost all of the core building to help catch them up to the rest of the stat inflation.

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Originally Posted by Derez

- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF. We plan to allow players to re-spec their character and have discussed additional changes to the skills system to make them more in line with where the game is going but that is still in the air.

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When you say "Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF." Do you mean Hero Equipment stats? As far as I was aware, Hero Strength only affects the damage you do to mobs and not to players. Is this correct?

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Originally Posted by Derez

We have looked at offering limited time items again but part of the appeal of these items is that you can only get them within a small window of time. We will continue to offer special items that helps boost those stats and have also looked at making new permeant items that are offered in the store as well. In the 3.0 release we did boost all of the core building to help catch them up to the rest of the stat inflation.

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What that means is that new players will never be able to catch up to players who were around when the items were originally offered. You can offer new items, but every new item you offer will be available to new players as well as older players. I feel sorry for anyone starting to play today.

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Originally Posted by Derez

Celtic Angel Warriors,

- How is the Hero Strength and Hero Defense calculated?
Answered in my reply post to Jnsolberg.

- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF. We plan to allow players to re-spec their character and have discussed additional changes to the skills system to make them more in line with where the game is going but that is still in the air.

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I added a spare skill point I had to Army Attack and my Attack(Hero) went up by 17 points. That tells me that your calculations are incorrect?

Also, I bought more equipment for my army and these stats went down?

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Originally Posted by Fromm

I added a spare skill point I had to Army Attack and my Attack(Hero) went up by 17 points. That tells me that your calculations are incorrect?

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Yep. I've been keeping a spreadsheet with my numbers and anytime I increase my Army Attack my Attack (Hero) increases. Hero Strength does not seem to affect Attack (Hero) or Defense (Hero).

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Originally Posted by Fromm

I added a spare skill point I had to Army Attack and my Attack(Hero) went up by 17 points. That tells me that your calculations are incorrect?

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Is your avatar in the level 170's?? Reason I ask is cause some have gone up 15 and they were in the 150 levels and some 19 and they were in the 190 levels. I could and I am probably wrong but it's just what I have seen on some. But yes there calculations are still incorrect

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Originally Posted by sixshooter

What that means is that new players will never be able to catch up to players who were around when the items were originally offered. You can offer new items, but every new item you offer will be available to new players as well as older players. I feel sorry for anyone starting to play today.

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Hello Sixshooter

This is how most games work. It is very difficult for any new player to catch up to a player who has had 2+ years to accumulate units, buildings and bonuses. What we can do is try to create a new user experience that will allow these new players to be competitive faster. It will be up to said beginner player to try and be "as good as" a veteran player with many hours in game.

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Originally Posted by Derez

- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF. We plan to allow players to re-spec their character and have discussed additional changes to the skills system to make them more in line with where the game is going but that is still in the air.

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I have noticed that by adding a point to the Army Attack-skill makes my Hero Attack go up, so this can't be correct?

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Originally Posted by KillaDon

Thought we were getting a battle calculation which in theory would include numbers and what's on what?? This answer is vary vague and still leaves us in the complete dark where we have been since this new style launched. Sorry just seems we are running out of time and gonna be left with no answer

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KillaDon,

In the past we have given out details as to how numbers were calculated within the game and it actually cause more confusion within the player base. We spent a long time writing a complex formula for calculating battle so that army stats that are in the millions or billions can be equally compared to item stats that are in the hundreds or thousands.

The other thing to keep in mind, which I have mentioned in other posts, both ATK and DEF now matter. In the past it was only the attacker's ATK and the defenders DEF but now the defenders get a chance to attack meaning that your DEF stat plays an active part in your play experience rather than only being acknowledged when other players are trying to attack your avatar.

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Originally Posted by Marabout Khidir

I have noticed that by adding a point to the Army Attack-skill makes my Hero Attack go up, so this can't be correct?

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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This was not the intended case and we will look into it to make sure Army is only affecting the stats of your armies.

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Originally Posted by Derez

KillaDon,

In the past we have given out details as to how numbers were calculated within the game and it actually cause more confusion within the player base. We spent a long time writing a complex formula for calculating battle so that army stats that are in the millions or billions can be equally compared to item stats that are in the hundreds or thousands.

The other thing to keep in mind, which I have mentioned in other posts, both ATK and DEF now matter. In the past it was only the attacker's ATK and the defenders DEF but now the defenders get a chance to attack meaning that your DEF stat plays an active part in your play experience rather than only being acknowledged when other players are trying to attack your avatar.

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You talk about confusion, but this is a thousand times more confusing than it previously was. How the hell does my defense come into play when I do the attack? You're going to have to provide some more details here since you're just muddying the water. After reading the dev responses I now have zero idea how it's determined who wins a fight.

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Originally Posted by Derez

KillaDon,

In the past we have given out details as to how numbers were calculated within the game and it actually cause more confusion within the player base. We spent a long time writing a complex formula for calculating battle so that army stats that are in the millions or billions can be equally compared to item stats that are in the hundreds or thousands.

The other thing to keep in mind, which I have mentioned in other posts, both ATK and DEF now matter. In the past it was only the attacker's ATK and the defenders DEF but now the defenders get a chance to attack meaning that your DEF stat plays an active part in your play experience rather than only being acknowledged when other players are trying to attack your avatar.

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I was just more curious about %'s as I think most of the others are as well. Because right now from last weekends battle
It seems that the ATTACK/DEFENSE Euipmemt Had the majority of whether you won or lost. It seems there is a algorithm error in the programming based on how huge of a difference that one catagory had on wining or losing but thank you for answering my question.

Thanks for answering Derez.

But I'm not sure how to read this bit mate?

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Originally Posted by Derez

- Will you compensate us in any way as an excuse for how things went haywire when the war started?
Going forward we will be working on better ways to communicate and plan out new feature releases so that this type of issue happens again.

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Skimmed through, just got off, so hopefully still around to answer...

Will we be able to upgrade our voucher items? And will there be any bonuses on them? They're total crap as-is when compared to prior event rewards... and I felt like I'd just had a beatdown when I opened the crafting (finally) and saw just how abysmal they were... especially the weapons and armors, seeing how they paled in comparison to my current bests.

hmm i understand that sometimes too much information can lead to confusion.

However in the current situation all people dont understand really what is needed to win a fight in war. Secondly people dont understand what to do to improve their individual stats (army and hero).

Furthermore the correlation of those 3 factors isnt clear. We have been told that army unit stats weight most and army equip comes as second but past war experience shows a different picture (even considering also the def stats from both).

it would be greatly appreciated if you could give us some more light here so that people get to understand what to do to improve and why it matters for fight/raids.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Derez

KillaDon,

In the past we have given out details as to how numbers were calculated within the game and it actually cause more confusion within the player base. We spent a long time writing a complex formula for calculating battle so that army stats that are in the millions or billions can be equally compared to item stats that are in the hundreds or thousands.

The other thing to keep in mind, which I have mentioned in other posts, both ATK and DEF now matter. In the past it was only the attacker's ATK and the defenders DEF but now the defenders get a chance to attack meaning that your DEF stat plays an active part in your play experience rather than only being acknowledged when other players are trying to attack your avatar.

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Derez,

I'm my post I had posted those 2 I hit had a 115mil and 120mil unit defense to my 380mil unit defense so I still don't understand because even if they attacked me back they would lose miserably because if their unit defense is 115mil and others is 120mil it only means there unit attack is around 75-90mil.

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Originally Posted by Derez

Celtic Angel Warriors,

- How is the Hero Strength and Hero Defense calculated?
Answered in my reply post to Jnsolberg.

- Which skillpoint(s) affect Hero Strength and Hero Defense and by how much?
- How does the other skillpoints affect the other categories of stats?
Hero Strength is currently the only stat that affects Hero ATK / DEF. We plan to allow players to re-spec their character and have discussed additional changes to the skills system to make them more in line with where the game is going but that is still in the air.

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This is wrong.

I started a new mini on an unused device. I worked the maps to level up a few levels, then I took a screenshot of his stats before allocating 16 skill points into 8 Hero Strength points. Then I exited the game, came back in and took another screen shot of his stats. Nothing changed. Unit a/d, EQ a/d and Hero a/d were all the same. The mobs were a little bit easier to kill. That's all.
If the Hero Strength skill points are supposed to help your Hero's stats, something is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Lys

Skimmed through, just got off, so hopefully still around to answer...

Will we be able to upgrade our voucher items? And will there be any bonuses on them? They're total crap as-is when compared to prior event rewards... and I felt like I'd just had a beatdown when I opened the crafting (finally) and saw just how abysmal they were... especially the weapons and armors, seeing how they paled in comparison to my current bests.

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For more detail on the difference in how item stats and army stats compare see my reply to Jnsolberg on page 3. Vouchers are not planned to have upgraded recipes as of right now especially seeing as how they were limited time items. Items will not be getting bonuses any time soon as this is a new addition to the game that we are trying to keep better control of balance and stat inflation on. However, we will continue to offer permeant and limited time bonuses on units that are given as top tier rewards.

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Originally Posted by Marabout Khidir

Thanks for answering Derez.

But I'm not sure how to read this bit mate?

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We do agree that we released this feature update too close to a war and that we should have given the player base a longer time to adjust to the new system. We are making changes to the way we develop features and part of this change will be involving the community more. You are going to see an increase in development activity on the forums as well as asking for feedback from our player base.

We also have plans to create posts that try to explain features better BEFORE they are released and allow our players to communicate with the developers about questions or concerns these new features might raise with our end users.

I know the war had issues but at this time we are trying to fix these moving forward. We will never release a major feature update that close to a war ever again and will spend more time beta testing those features before they are pushed live to our production servers.

Also just as a questions to our users would you be interested in doing these AMAs live instead of forum posts, for example, via Twitch?

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Originally Posted by Waffleking

We do agree that we released this binary too close to a war and that we should have given the player base a longer time to adjust to the new system. We are making changes to the way we develop features and part of this change will be involving the community more. You are going to see an increase in development activity on the forums as well as asking for feedback from our player base.

We also have plans to create posts that try to explain features better BEFORE they are released and allow our players to communicate with the developers about questions or concerns these new features might raise with our end users.

I know the war had issues but at this time we are trying to fix these moving forward. We will never release a major feature update that close to a war ever again and will spend more time beta testing those features before they are pushed live to our production servers.

Also just as a questions to our users would you be interested in doing these AMAs live instead of forum posts?

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I think doing these live would be very helpful. I feel questions would get answered faster and seems it might be more productive. Just my opinion

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Originally Posted by Waffleking

We do agree that we released this binary too close to a war and that we should have given the player base a longer time to adjust to the new system. We are making changes to the way we develop features and part of this change will be involving the community more. You are going to see an increase in development activity on the forums as well as asking for feedback from our player base.

We also have plans to create posts that try to explain features better BEFORE they are released and allow our players to communicate with the developers about questions or concerns these new features might raise with our end users.

I know the war had issues but at this time we are trying to fix these moving forward. We will never release a major feature update that close to a war ever again and will spend more time beta testing those features before they are pushed live to our production servers.

Also just as a questions to our users would you be interested in doing these AMAs live instead of forum posts?

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Both, a forum post to explain the basics, then a ama to clear up any confusion that might come.

Live would be faster but the forum posts allow all players around the globe to read back what was asked and answered better as not all have the chance to be up around this time.

Kind of off subject but why is the 999999 gold not actually being added to our total gold. I think lots of players have missed out on a decent amount of gold from last war Indy wins event and it's still not adding it in the EB splash screens.

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Originally Posted by Derez

For more detail on the difference in how item stats and army stats compare see my reply to Jnsolberg on page 3.

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I keep looking but I still don't see anything helpful. You have to realize that we are telling you that we still do not understand.

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Originally Posted by Waffleking

We do agree that we released this feature update too close to a war and that we should have given the player base a longer time to adjust to the new system. We are making changes to the way we develop features and part of this change will be involving the community more. You are going to see an increase in development activity on the forums as well as asking for feedback from our player base.

We also have plans to create posts that try to explain features better BEFORE they are released and allow our players to communicate with the developers about questions or concerns these new features might raise with our end users.

I know the war had issues but at this time we are trying to fix these moving forward. We will never release a major feature update that close to a war ever again and will spend more time beta testing those features before they are pushed live to our production servers.

Also just as a questions to our users would you be interested in doing these AMAs live instead of forum posts?

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This is all good news! Too many people are leaving the game over frustration with the last war. I'm glad that won't happen again.

As far as doing them live, I'm not sure. Not everyone can be on at the same time, and it might be complete chaos with too many peeps all talking at the same time. Lol

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Originally Posted by the_bob

I keep looking but I still don't see anything helpful. You have to realize that we are telling you that we still do not understand.

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I still don't understand how the Pumpkin head is worth a 300k unit.
Perhaps if we could see some basic, understandable math?

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Originally Posted by KillaDon

Kind of off subject but why is the 999999 gold not actually being added to our total gold. I think lots of players have missed out on a decent amount of gold from last war Indy wins event and it's still not adding it in the EB splash screens.

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This is actually just a display bug that happens when there is no gold being rewarded. This issue will be fixed in the next major updated.

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Originally Posted by Derez

This is actually just a display bug that happens when there is no gold being rewarded. This issue will be fixed in the next major updated.

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Oh...��! Thanks

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Originally Posted by Jnsolberg

This is all good news! Too many people are leaving the game over frustration with the last war. I'm glad that won't happen again.

As far as doing them live, I'm not sure. Not everyone can be on at the same time, and it might be complete chaos with too many peeps all talking at the same time. Lol

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The broadcast would be recorded so players could then re-watch and find answers. How does that sound?

Closing down at 6pm PST guys! Get in your last questions.

If there is still confusion, we'll host another AMA right after Thanksgiving. Spread the word. We want you to comfortable with this and know that this system is going to be awesome in the long run.

i still dont see any of my questions answered. Did i ask aynthing wrong or why is that so?

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Originally Posted by Jnsolberg

I still don't understand how the Pumpkin head is worth a 300k unit.
Perhaps if we could see some basic, understandable math?

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If a 300k unit is going into an army stat that is at 10mil + it is adding approx 3% to that stat. So if a 40 unit is going into an equipment stat that is 1k that is roughly 4%. Seeing as this is no longer one giant stat that you are adding to you have to view them as totally different power amounts with different relative values.

So I see people ask for calculations which we aren't getting, but can someone kindly explain exactly how we raise the two new numbers?
Is it skill points, weapons and armor?
What changes what?

Before I think about reallocation of skill points, I want to understand the impact of any changes please.

Also, An FAQ explaining all the changes and their impact.
I also want to understand the approximate percentages that each number affects whether I'll win our lose an attack or raid please.

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Originally Posted by Derez

If a 300k unit is going into an army stat that is at 10mil + it is adding approx 3% to that stat. So if a 40 unit is going into an equipment stat that is 1k that is roughly 4%. Seeing as this is no longer one giant stat that you are adding to you have to view them as totally different power amounts with different relative values.

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Ok, thank makes a little sense. But what is the ratio of units and equipment and Hero strength?

Thank you Derez, Waffleking and Tadaaah for taking your time tonight. Looking forward to the next AMA.