bit off topic but 8 hits on a dl is a waste as you give up 8 losses better to use 2 power attacks then you only lose 2 fights thus saving 6Quote:
Originally Posted by ProCision
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bit off topic but 8 hits on a dl is a waste as you give up 8 losses better to use 2 power attacks then you only lose 2 fights thus saving 6Quote:
Originally Posted by ProCision
Pre-stagin isn't cheating.
The reason the LTQs have been toned down is because the unit prizes from the first couple of LTQs were WAY too powerful compared to the total cost to get them. IMO this is where things should have been all along.
I had stopped doing the boss events and the crate events because the cost of those events compared to the gain was completely out of proportion with what I was able to get from the LTQ event. Now that things have changed i've had to rethink my strategy.
GREE is a for-profit company and their goal is to make money. In order to make money they have to provide a product that people want to pay for. It always has been and always will be a balancing act.
Nicely said ao, u cant reset maps since it will generate a lot of angry players and more tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Orange
But there are things that should be left unsaid and in whispering ear of using pms for these kind of tactics. Now prestaging is a requisite to finish the ltqs. Totally bad for campers
Ultimately it's a strategy game. Prestaging is a tactic, it's available to every1. Hackers r cheating where they hav impossible stats n units. That's a crime n that's cheating.
Going from good ltqs to this terrible one was a bad move, should of levelled it out over a few events.
As for customers keeping secrets, gree has ALL THE INFO. There r no secrets n they will cotton on to it, so ppl should feel free to share their ideas n tactics. It will develop the game as a whole.
I'm a non spender, but I will recommend the game to others who may spend if they offer me a good service, so they need to cater to both spenders n non spenders as they both hav their place.
This event blows n is a slap in the face, I think the events should b completeable for free...but u hav to have a solid background. Say set the ltq at a Lvl hundred or so player with 2000 energy, plus 2 to energy regen could complete it in 6 days as the total energy required would b around 40000. Total possible energy in 6 days with plus 2 to regen would b 43200. Now most ppl wouldn't b able to do this n therefore ppl would still spend. Serious non spenders would hook in n rate the game to their mates n at least hav a shot at completing it provided they hav prestaged. Jus sum food for thought.
This thread is incorrect.
This game is meant to be a strategy game despite what gree has turned it in to. Pre staging is a strategy. It's not an exploit and frankly it's stupid that anybody would say it is. It uses the same total energy and doesn't given anybody some unfair advantage that every single other player doesn't have.
The single thread of strategy left in the game just got wiped out because gree is greedy and doesn't listen to their customers. It has nothing to do with any exploit that this guy may be dreaming of
a forum is the place to share tipps and tricks (not cheats). if we do, gree should not use such against us. maybe this isnīt the right place to share things....
pre-staging is just a strategy in my opinion. and i hit a lot for nothing and left energy on units, that have not been targets. (no complaining, just a fact)
I would not consider presaging cheating even in the slightest. Like someone said, if you study for a test,that's not cheating. And as the player, the player didnt fiddle with anything to change the structure of the ltq. If gree didnt want or allow pre staging, they would stop it. Gree allows it without breaking any rules. As shocking as it may seem to some, gree does still in fact set up parts of their game so that even a free player can enjoy it.
As for the perception that it got nerfed because of it being talked in the forum. Realize that EVERYTHING in this game has gotten nerfed wheather it was talked about or not. It's just what gree does. Know ahead of time whenever something comes out, it always starts out strong but know it will get nerfed no matter what.
I'm personally kinda relieved that this LTQ sucks. I did both of them before Columbia and spent a lot of my gold to do it. I'm enjoying the break this time. I'm doing free hits only. I will not get sucked in to spending more gold and getting more xp to win crappier prizes.
Gree has done an amazing job lately of weaning me off gold in MW:
1. Having CC and MW battles in the same weekend.
2. Losing to players with 1/2 to 2/3 my stats
3. Getting 3 hits from a refill
4. Getting more xp in LTQ's
5. Requiring even more gold in LTQ's
6. Nerfing the prizes in the LTQ's
7. Making bosses 50 instead of 35 (it feels like a chore)
SP, I'm [ ] close to joining you in C&T and going free!
Prestaging is a strategy, not an exploit. That is just silly. Some of us always have higher ends maps "prestaged" or "setting up bosses," as I call it. That particular prestaging helped me pay for ACs and AMRs back in the day. While spending is still and more so the name of the game here, there is some strategic maneuvering still available. That is not exploiting it is gaming in the best sense.
As to the Ltq being nerfed this time, yes, and it's not due to prestaging in my view. Did that help push the Devs, maybe. But they just nerf everything. Manbeast has that right. Either way I doubt a massive repeat of this Ltq as gold spending will likely noticeably drop for forum readers.
I don't think presaging is cheating but I don't think you should talk about options that Gree can take away. The same silence people have with their factions war strategy should be used with Gree. Others forum members want to beat you at a game. To Gree you are the game and they want to beat you.
I agree with the others that pre-staging is not an exploit. It is a valid strategy and is using the game dynamics to prepare yourself as best as possible. Pre-staging missions has NOTHING to do with the current increase in the LTQ in my opinion. It has everything to do with the fact that, once again, Gree over-inflated an event and is back-peddling to get it back into line with the rest of the game.
The WD event boosts are a perfect example. At the start of the WD events, you saw 20-30% unit boosts. Now they're down to 5-10% boosts. They made them too great to start.
The LTQ's made all other gold spending obsolete. No reason to buy 3 crates when spending 175 gold in an LTQ might get you a few more missions in and yield much higher stat units. And why spend 1500-1600 gold on a LE set when it only gets you MAYBE 3-4k more attack/defense when you could spend it in an LTQ and end up with 30-40 units and 4-5 times more return on your money?
It was only a matter of time. Now they've taken corrective action (overly corrective in my opinion). It will balance itself out. I would imagine in the future, LTQ events will have a lower total energy requirement than this one, but yield fewer units that the original events.
So if pre-staging an event (which every player has access to do) is cheating, then all those people who sit on map bosses waiting to hit them one last time for that big upgrade would be cheating too right? I mean they aren't playing the game the way it was intended by doing that. They should have to fight off rivals day in and day out like the rest us while being overvault. Or what about those people who bought hundreds or thousands of trees to sell off as a means of storing cash. Are they cheaters too?
So if I follow that same logic then everyone who bought LE units when they first appeared as a two unit combo set, cheated too? Even though, once again every player had same chance to buy them.
You may not like it but pre-staging wasn't cheating/exploiting. People talking about it on the forum didnt produce this current hard LTQ. Gree saw they weren't getting the return they wanted and made it more expensive. Prestaging or not...they would have been looking to maximize their profit. The first LTQs were only "good" because they contained boost units. That was a mistake on Gree's part in being too lazy to create new units and simply recasting old units without noticing that some had boosts attached.
One final note: Gree if you're listening....then you will already know that no one finds these LTQ events particularly worthwhile unless he/she will receive some boost units. So get to work and provide some incentive for actually spending time and/or money to complete this type event.
100% agree! I can't believe people discussed this pre staging opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProCision
I was pre-staging after the first LTQ before seeing anything about it on the forums, it's an obvious play to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaRciS
Most of us just got a +2 energy regen unit in the last LTQ. I think the simplest explanation for all of this is that GREE is pushing players to level up, more energy used, more rapidly for more XP. I don't know the numbers, but if the whole event completion is only 40% more energy to complete, then it's as easy/difficult to complete for a free player, and only a small change to what a gold player would need to spend to complete it, unless they're unwilling to wait to see a few normal timed regens.
Change is a constant, deal with it. Looks like we've got faction tournaments coming down the pipes soon too if you've read the release notes on the last update.
your analogy's are horrible. You can not compare any of those to what i compared it to in the first post of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigD@wg
I'm not sure I said that prestaging was cheating, maybe I did maybe i didnt. Your exploiting the LTQ for what it is. The more you prestage, the more you talk about it, the more you tell people how to do it. All takes money out of Gree's pocket. I am 100% for any exploit you can do to get a leg up. I was on most of all the leader boards on COD WAW, MW2, and BO and that was from boosting. Using exploits that were built in the game. Nobody knew any different until YouTube came out and people started to post how to boost in call of duty. Now you get banned for doing it. Whats the big deal if you trade head shots with a partner? Its hurts nobody, but in the end you didnt earn the guns and the prestige the way the devs wanted you to earn them. Same for this game, you exploited and now the LTQ is harder. Fact!