Admins - is getting stats from the "player database" cheating or not?

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Originally Posted by Green Drake

I have no problem robbing the rogues members that I know at my level.
Att-800k
Def-814k

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OK... level and game name?

Same name 187.
This actually all came about because I was going back and forth with a rogue player. When I saw his name on a pvp leader board I stopped.

If your next question is how much gold have I spent I am not going to be happy.

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Originally Posted by Green Drake

I have stopped attacking or robbing anyone known to be rogue. Personally I don't want anyone knowing my spending habits. Since they are still using the program and don't have issues making it public I have had to alter my playing experience.

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This is probably a good idea. An idea that all players should adhere to. Attack a Rogue and we will eat your children, savage your women, steal your car, sell your dog, and fart in your general direction. We are a scary lot.

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Originally Posted by Peppers

This is probably a good idea. An idea that all players should adhere to. Attack a Rogue and we will eat your children, savage your women, steal your car, sell your dog, and fart in your general direction. We are a scary lot.

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Now I can actually laugh at the MP reference.
Or you could chose the avenue beardy decided to travel. Actually prefer the fart.

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Originally Posted by Green Drake

Now I can actually laugh at the MP reference.
Or you could chose the avenue beardy decided to travel. Actually prefer the fart.

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Knock it off or I will taunt you a second time. :)

Interesting discussion in my field of expertise..... (hacking/privacy/NSA/networks/sniffing) ;-) Only thing I can say from here.. It is fully legal in my country to SNIFF data and collect data that is made public available and goes through my own router ;-) And I just found the data model and I can guarantee you that I can fully generate and automate my own SQL database with all user data.. This user data is also available when I do It manually. SInce I do it without breaching and or hacking the game platform by itself I have no legal issues ;-)

You can fart at me peppers...

The person who claimed about credit/debit cards. That's all done through apple or your own devices equivalent not gree so no issue there.

Breaking out the holy hand grenade.

Data model:

1. id
2. invite_code
3. username
4. town_name
5. character_class_id
6. last_update_energy_value
7. last_update_energy_time
8. max_energy
9. last_update_stamina_value
10. last_update_stamina_time
11. max_stamina
12. money
13. steel
14. respect
15. gold
16. gold_spent
17. is_spender
18. experience
19. bank_balance
20. skill_points
21. skill_points_spent
22. level
23. level_up
24. attack
25. defense
26. clan_size
27. paid_clan_size
28. is_tutorial_complete
29. time_of_first_attack
30. num_attacks_this_hour
31. ab_test
32. is_banned
33. is_muted
34. is_test_account
35. image_version
36. image_base_cache_key
37. stat_jobs_completed
38. stat_jobs_failed
39. stat_bosses_beaten
40. stat_fights_won
41. stat_fights_won_as_attacker
42. stat_fights_won_as_defender
43. stat_fights_lost
44. stat_fights_lost_as_attacker
45. stat_fights_lost_as_defender
46. stat_robs_completed
47. stat_robs_failed
48. stat_jobs_money_earned
49. stat_fights_money_attack_won
50. stat_fights_money_attack_lost
51. stat_fights_money_defense_won
52. stat_fights_money_defense_lost
53. stat_robs_money_won
54. stat_robs_money_lost
55. last_game_load_time
56. num_game_loads
57. number_buildings_owned
58. width_expansion_level
59. length_expansion_level
60. expansion_direction
61. expansion_time_started
62. server_sequence_num
63. total_building_area
64. outfit_base_cache_key
65. available_vip_invites
66. stamina_cost_to_fight
67. capped_clan_size
68. invite_vip_time
69. last_update_health_value
70. last_update_health_time
71. max_health
72. last_free_scratcher_open_time
73. database_id
74. unique_id
75. payload
76. time_created
77. time_updated
78. version
79. game_account_created
80. diamond
81. stat_money_earned
82. stat_respect_earned
83. stat_buildings_purchased
84. stat_building_collect_count
85. stat_items_purchased
86. stat_guns_purchased
87. stat_melee_purchased
88. stat_armor_purchased
89. stat_cars_purchased
90. stat_expansions_purchased
91. stat_props_purchased
92. created_at
93. updated_at
94. recent_gold_purchase
95. attacker_raw_attack_strength
96. defender_raw_defense_strength
97. attacker_attack_skill
98. defender_defense_skill
99. defender_building_defense
100. item_raw_attack
101. item_raw_defense
102. item_bosted_attack
103. item_bosted_defense
104. inventory_udated_at

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Originally Posted by bald zeemer

We are starting to stretch "modified game experience" beyond the strictest interpretation. Clearly the most limited reading of it refers to modifying the mechanics of gameplay (ie, altering code so that jobs drop leaderboard items as loot, etc). This is clearly the main intent of the clause in the TOS. To go beyond this we have to decide whether "modified game experience" means "alteration of future outcomes" in a broader sense. There are two problems with doing this. The first is that it may well (and I believe that it does) fall outside of the intent of the clause - so even if you make a compelling case for it Gree still have no incentive to move forward, because they have TOS to protect their platform, not to fully impose all powers granted by it whenever possible. The second is that it starts making innocuous and common third party software fall within the clause. Does the use of chat apps by a syndicate affect gameplay? Undoubtedly. Does the use of timers affect gameplay? Undoubtedly. Hood planners, boss calculators, LTB calculators, the list goes on.

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For reference: TOS sentence is: using third party software designed to modify user experience.
So I think we’re talking about different things. I wasn’t referring to “intent”, I was just referring to the actual writing of the TOS sentence. And I agree that if one is looking at just the writing of the TOS sentence, timers may be considered a violation of TOS, although one may argue if timer software are DESIGNED to modify user experience in CC. Certainly boss calculator softwares are third party software DESIGNED to modify user experience, so in the reading of the TOS, I would say that, yes, they are a violation of TOS. But as you said, if one is looking at the “spirit” or “intent” of the TOS, it is perhaps not in violation.

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Originally Posted by zwiswoo

Sorry, this is the sort of amoral sophistry that can only be produced by self-interest. Wiresharking game data to snoop on other players isn't like using a stopwatch, a chat program or a spreadsheet. It. Simply. Isn't.

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For reference: TOS sentence is: using third party software designed to modify user experience.
First sentence may be ad hominem. For 2nd sentence, I think it IS the same when it comes to the READING of the TOS sentence. However, again, I am starting to see where the confusion is with what I proposed and what is being said on this thread, that is strict reading of the TOS sentence vs “intent” or “spirit” of the TOS sentence.

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Originally Posted by bald zeemer

We're discussing whether the database constitutes a violation of TOS, not making moral comparisons. I don't think that the TOS prohibition on modifying gameplay is meant to cover actions that merely have an effect on the results of gameplay.

It's been a long time since anyone actually used it.

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For reference: TOS sentence is: using third party software designed to modify user experience.
Yet another example that has made me realize that I think I was thinking something different than what most ppl are saying, ie, strict reading vs intent. Regarding your second sentence, in the actual reading of the TOS sentence, time constraints aren’t stipulated. So that would not be relevant as far as the actual text is concerned re: violation of TOS. I can certainly acknowledge that it MAY be relevant as far as “intent” is concerned.

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Originally Posted by zwiswoo

Setting a timer to collect buildings/open boxes isn't even the same sort of thing as accessing game databases to get info on other players that the game interface won't give you, and whose hiddenness indeed is the basis for PVP.

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For reference: TOS sentence is: using third party software designed to modify user experience.
Yet another example that has made me realize that I think I was thinking something different than what most ppl are saying, ie, strict reading vs intent. Regarding your second sentence, in the actual reading of the TOS sentence, time constraints aren’t stipulated. So that would not be relevant as far as the actual text is concerned re: violation of TOS. I can certainly acknowledge that it MAY be relevant as far as “intent” is concerned.

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Originally Posted by Triga Treat

Does this mean I am not allowed to use 3rd party software such as Groupme, Line, or Palringo to communicate with my team? Can I also not use google docs to track battle statistics?

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For reference: TOS sentence is: using third party software designed to modify user experience.
I have addressed this above. I believe MOST CERTAINLY, those third party softwares may be considered violations of the TOS if one is looking at the straight text of the TOS sentence. But ONLY if it is determined that said software was DESIGNED to modify user experience in CC, then yes.