Non gem or limited gem events?

[MitDac]

The more I get into the wars in KnD, the more I realize it is the money-throwing competition. It is no longer about how much you bond with your guild, or how clever you employ your strategy. Ultimately, if you have the money, you have the power.

True, Gree needs donation, and that's how we have games to play. However, should Gree only focus on the rich guys? Eventually, people who doesn't spend or spend little will realize this is not a game they can win or enjoy and give up. Is that what Gree really wants?

A well sold product is a product that can be applied to a large variety of audiences. Gree makes money from people watching ads and download apps too, and will continue to make more if Gree gives the "not so rich" participants a share, an event that they believe if they really try, they can win something.

Wouldn't it be more interesting to not know who is going to win the next event? Isn't that boring that the gemmers always win? By making people applying their wit in battle instead of relying on their wallets all the time, I'm sure players will be much more involved, and attached to the game

Yes, spending is an options, so don't make it compulsory to have fun. Every now and then, throw in a "non-gem" event, so everyone can have their share, and the game will continue to grow.

[geo81]

Just save gems. I don't spend a single dollar on this game and got thousands of gems. I don't glitch for them either, just save up through the various events and random videos, takes 2-3 months but whatever. When I have enough, I go for a war epic, 100% free. The key is to not be tempted to spend on chests and be active enough in wars and raids so you don't have to gem any. If you know what your doing and 'play the game' you can be very powerful and successful for absolutely no money. Oh yeah, being in an alliance is required too. :)

[MitDac]

I haven't spent any money either. However, just like you, I know I can never win the ultimate prize in any event, period!

[geo81]

The war epic + you mean? Sure you can, it just takes time and effort. I almost have enough gems to get a war+ myself. Free of charge :)

If you mean arena, you can do that too. Just save more gems

[MitDac]

Not sure about you, but watch videos and earn 50 gems per day would be a breaking record. So with 3 months saving, not spending, you get about 5k. Would that be really enough?

[geo81]

On average I get 10-15 gems a day from vids, I get t1000 in arena, so I get all those gems, then various gems from free chests and wars. I get about 100 a week, 400-500 a month. Yeah, I was wrong, takes longer than I thought, but I find it fun to hoard gems. I been saving for months

[MitDac]

So it would take you a year to get 5k of gems, and you think that's enough for each member of your guild to spend so that your guild would take first place?

[geo81]

First off, the amount of gems all depends on what your doing. 5000 is a bit high, I got my war epic for 800 free gems, and that's going well over the guilds required amount of points. The epic+ is pretty much for the big guilds, good luck getting that without joining them. On ios, if each of your guild members had 5000 gems, yes, you would get t10. You can get t10 with less in most cases.

[MitDac]

You just proved my point. The big gemmers ALWAYS have to win. Why not throw in a surprise every now and then, make things more excited by providing the uncertainty?

If Gree say "Hey everyone, there's a non-gem war this weekend, join in", would you refuse to participate?

[geo81]

Of course that'd be nice, but gree isn't going to do that. Of course big gemmers get the goods, that's why I save gems. I ain't spending any money haha

[MitDac]

So...basically you agree with me, it would be a nice event to have! I don't spend money either, and I certainly even agree more about saving gems and don't spend on chest. So....what are we arguing about again? LOL

[geo81]

Haha I don't remember. I agree about gemming being necessary, but attaining those gems and war epics and becoming a strong player does not require any money.

[MitDac]

Exactly! However, luck plays big part of it too. I am lucky to have decent epics and epic plus (from Challenged chest), but there are so many unlucky players out there. They could only go so far before giving up.

A good business model would satisfy as many varieties of customers as possible. So far, Gree isn't doing that

[MitDac]

And don't get me wrong. I absolutely respect the options of people gems or opening chest. We all have different options, and that's the key, varieties make things more interesting. All I am doing is suggest to Gree an idea that can make it fun for all. It is not just always about the immediate money. I believe by mixing things up, both Gree and all players would benefit in the long run.

[Rhaegal]

I think this could all be solved by making the + vers of fusible epics fusible. By the time a chance chest epic becomes fusible it's 3-4 months old and has usually been replaced once or twice already so why not make the + vers obtainable?

[Lord P]

Been playing this game for just over two weeks. Haven't joined a guild yet and bought a total of 3 chests (scoring a total of 3 super rares). I'm learning very quickly how to manage my resources and have already made up my mind that getting my first epic will take months. The average quick thrill player will get bored with this in no time.

I'd like to see an event that doesn't involve spending large quantities of gems however I agree that would be working against the Gree business model. They want the money and players having fun is secondary in their business plan.

[Scabs]

That would be interesting if they held a "non-gem" war where you could not buy war energy. An event for the "little guys". The end results would be very unpredictable.

[loine88]

i like this thread i agree I'm 25 i have a wife and two kids i can't afford to spend real money on gems. I've done the offers and watched endless videos but even then most players can't even compete with the guilds that are always on top of the wars. but then if free quit doing that KND wouldn't be as big a game as it is

[MitDac]

That would be interesting if they held a "non-gem" war where you could not buy war energy. An event for the "little guys". The end results would be very unpredictable.

That's right! I think any unpredictable event is excited. This won't be just for the "little guys", "big guys" will have fun too.

Sure, Gree's sale will drop for one event, but it makes everyone happy. Happy customers are loyal customers, people will love the game for life, "little guys" will stick around instead of giving up!

[SITH F35 GM Ricky]

Gordo is 100% correct. I play on android and i got #1 war epic for only a little over 2k gems on this past water raid. Its totally acceptable to just save until you can run. If you join the top alliance you'll place top 150 every single week without spending any gems.

[tnorman78]

I'm not in a top alliance or any alliance for that matter and we place within top 100 every war just about. It's all about activity. Most ppl can make the requirements of top 25 guilds with very little gems spent.

[MitDac]

I'm not in a top alliance or any alliance for that matter and we place within top 100 every war just about. It's all about activity. Most ppl can make the requirements of top 25 guilds with very little gems spent.

Yes, I know, you can make top 100. My question is, can the low gemmers ever get the ultimate prize? How often would they feel discourage and eventually leave the game?

Can Gree spark the interest to involve all classes of customer and on the process, make them more loyal, increase the fan base massively?

[Royil]

You just proved my point. The big gemmers ALWAYS have to win. Why not throw in a surprise every now and then, make things more excited by providing the uncertainty?

If Gree say "Hey everyone, there's a non-gem war this weekend, join in", would you refuse to participate?

This would be really nicee!!

[MitDac]

Seems like everybody likes the idea. From the first glance, looks like the buyers are the only real source to fun the game. However, if you think about it, the non-buying players have massive numbers, they support the game just as much, if not more.

Come on Gree, you can do it!

[tnorman78]

Yes, I know, you can make top 100. My question is, can the low gemmers ever get the ultimate prize? How often would they feel discourage and eventually leave the game?

Can Gree spark the interest to involve all classes of customer and on the process, make them more loyal, increase the fan base massively?
The answer is no then...unless you can trick one of them into letting ya in and leach.

[diaewad]

Exactly! However, luck plays big part of it too. I am lucky to have decent epics and epic plus (from Challenged chest), but there are so many unlucky players out there. They could only go so far before giving up.

A good business model would satisfy as many varieties of customers as possible. So far, Gree isn't doing that

I saved up some gems and spent a decent chunk of money to be able to open 40 chests at once on a 6x chance for epic. I got 0 epics. On 40 chests. That was on Android. Then I switched to my iOS account where they had a different chest that was only 4x chance. I opened one chest and got an epic.

I keep saying it, but I'm 100% now: I'm no longer spending any money on this game, because I feel like it's purposely trying to screw me over. I can't even fuse legendaries any more. I only get 2-star armors.

[Jun-fan]

I've played games where your number of fights per hour were capped. That way, there was a ceiling you could hit along with everyone else, spenders and non-spenders alike, and both groups could win the prize for the event.

For example, let's say that all of the bosses all of a sudden came together became super-powered (bump their stats up significantly) and invaded your castle, and you had to fight them off individually, but raid style (summon the boss, then attack by yourself). You could only fight a limited number of bosses per hour, and your points would be added to your guild's overall total. The fight cap could be set at 4 with energy automatically refilling every hour, and maybe capping the number of energy you can buy with gems at 2 per hour, making for 6 fights per hour maximum. Points would be similar to raids - the harder the boss, the more points you get (defeating the Dark Prince would yield more points than defeating Gorgon Warmistress, for example). Then the guild as a whole would win prizes based on point totals, similar to the EBs.

Having this kind of a fight cap would allow spenders and non-spenders the same opportunity to reach the same level of rewards, since we're fighting for points like the EB rewards and not fighting each other like we currently do when we try to rack up points in the three events we have now. If the rewards are structured correctly, you can theoretically get the highest tier of rewards by fighting your 4 fights per hour for a 24 hour period (if we limited this kind of an event to one day). The gem spenders can buy the extra 2 fights to make up for the fights they miss while they sleep.

Yes, it's a rough draft of an idea of a new event, but I for one would welcome a new event like this where we could work together and try to win something over a weekend, while giving us a break to save up gems for the next event. As it is, a spending event every week alienates a lot of players for a lot of reasons.

[soonhong]

I saved up some gems and spent a decent chunk of money to be able to open 40 chests at once on a 6x chance for epic. I got 0 epics. On 40 chests. That was on Android. Then I switched to my iOS account where they had a different chest that was only 4x chance. I opened one chest and got an epic.

I keep saying it, but I'm 100% now: I'm no longer spending any money on this game, because I feel like it's purposely trying to screw me over. I can't even fuse legendaries any more. I only get 2-star armors.

I did exactly what diaewad did too - saved up for months and eventually got about 1200 gems to spend on the 5x chance... I got a beastmaster epic which I already had (and is already several generations old). After that, I promised to NEVER spend on chests EVER AGAIN. So now, after I got off my anti-Gree tilt (if that is even possible?), I'm starting to save up again so I can join one of the T10-T25 raids via Alliance. Luckily, I have an "in" with a former guildmate who made his way up the chain to DK, and is now in another alliance. If you stay active and save up gems, you can participate in the T1-T25 alliance events.

In response to OP though, it would be really nice if Gree would put together an event like that, but it costs money to develop events, and even if they did create it, what would the prizes be? Bragging rights? Bragging rights are nice, but I doubt you'll get any free prizes for a competitive event; therefore the gems keep Gree creating these events, even though it sucks for active people in lower lvl guilds.