Selling (war) epics

[Kangaroeland]

Really? i know we are moneycows but why kill the achievement of having a war epic and it also being quite rare taken away?

Ill post more reasons why i hate this later but its just such a cheap way to make more money of knd

[tnorman78]

Are you referring to the new champion pack?

[MisterT]

Maybe Kerstman's Shroud will be one of the next Kanga

[Scabs]

I actually liked it. They listened. You can't make everyone happy, but it's a much better choice than druidic.

[Scabs]

And you mean to tell me that it's ok for top 10 guilds to spend money for war epics but not your average Joe? I'm sure plenty of players got this war epic for less than $99.

[Smiley80]

oh no selling epics shame on you gree (with a lot of sarcasm). I laugh at people who actually do buy them. I can get you a spot in the top 10 for 150$ to 200$ of most wars and you get the most up to date gear. you can buy a top 25 spot for 50$.

The game revolves around money and buying. the truth is few people will actually spend that type of money on a piece of armor. (pick your fights)

[sxespanky]

what you can buy for 100 dollars - right now on steam, you can get Devil may cry, remember me, and bionic comando for 17.99, dead rising 2 complete - 19.99, resident evil 6, devil may cry 4, re6 all dlc, for 24.99. skyrim 4.99, All for 67.96, that leaves you 30 bucks to continue shopping on steam... do you not see how effing ridiculous your being gree? why would i pay $99 for a 2Mb sprite, when i can literally take a friend out for dinner, and have months worth of gaming for the same price.

who buys this stuff...

THIS is why mobile gaming is garbage.

If i could make a game, id seriously make one for the people who want to play it, and make it as cheap as possible but still pay my staff. gree makes games to buy a mansion with every week.

[Kangaroeland]

I dont buy this but i buy my t10 epics and i feel like its so much less rare now to have one but also such a ripoff at the same time for the people buying it now.

And i have too many games on steam already :(

[sxespanky]

And i have too many games on steam already :(

Principle kangarooButt. its principle. never, in my entire life, have i ever seen DLC that cost 100 Dollars.
besides train simulators 2 thousand dollars with of DLC (at 20 bucks each to "drive" a different train), most Down Loadable Content comes with new story, areas, and gameplay. youre just buying a new costume. how is this even legal? im just as mad about the Chests though, its a money grab, and people still buy into it.

I've gotten into it with people before, they say - i have money to burn, y not burn it on this. i make more money than you, so i can spend on this game. seriously the people who ever responded to these types of posts make those who cant buy these look like hobos on the side of the road. buying these don't make you look fancy, or like you have a nice job. it makes it look like you have a mental handicap, with no respect to money.

[Hopeless82]

While it is an "improvement" from the previous Champion Pack, I am still not enticed enough to get this. For that kind of price point, they really need to offer more than that.

Cheers.

[Rookeye]

So long as the champion packs are $100, I will not be a customer, no matter what side I fall in on the debate: "too rich for my blood". ;)


EDIT (with respect to B Legit below): I don't have issue with those who want to buy this package, I just personally can't afford it. :)

[B Legit]

Principle kangarooButt. its principle. never, in my entire life, have i ever seen DLC that cost 100 Dollars.
besides train simulators 2 thousand dollars with of DLC (at 20 bucks each to "drive" a different train), most Down Loadable Content comes with new story, areas, and gameplay. youre just buying a new costume. how is this even legal? im just as mad about the Chests though, its a money grab, and people still buy into it.

I've gotten into it with people before, they say - i have money to burn, y not burn it on this. i make more money than you, so i can spend on this game. seriously the people who ever responded to these types of posts make those who cant buy these look like hobos on the side of the road. buying these don't make you look fancy, or like you have a nice job. it makes it look like you have a mental handicap, with no respect to money.

You are entitled to your own opinion, and I know your incredibly opinionated. But again, stop telling people what to do with themselves. They can spend money on whatever they want.
You say right now that you would make it as cheap as possible while still being able to pay staff? I say bull****. If you honestly think that way you are not in the real world and don't have a clue how business works. That is exactly the reason you never will run any company. It doesn't matter what your personal morals are in the real world, nobody cares. Nobody tries to make anyone look like a "hobo," you do that to yourself with constant *****ing (whining) about prices. Don't respond to this unless it is actually thought provoked and well thought, if you're just going to repeat yourself for the 99th time, don't bother, just shut up.

[Rhaegal]

I bought this one. Yup, sure did. Do I need it? Nope. Will I use it in game play? Very very doubtful. But 1) it is a war epic and therefore non fusible 2)it's probably too low stat wise to be used as a war reward again, unless the reward tiers are expanded. So I figured it's my last chance to get one and I've liked the look of it ever since I started playing.

Does this make me Foolish with money? Maybe. But it's my money. Get over it.

Also I thank gree for listening. They didn't make it an old epic+ but they did make it a war epic so, that's a little something.

[Sent]

It's $100 which is probably what people spent on gems that war. It's not a terrible epic but it's an epic nevertheless. It'll still be worth having for a few months (unless you already have three Arclite/Ravages).

[sxespanky]

blah bah blah

constant whining? im sorry i think this community is full of people who have more money than sense. people make stupid purchases every day. unfortunately most purchases in this game is one of those. until Gree rechecks their prices of their digital merchandise, or decides to actually expand on a game that makes them ridiculous amounts of money with little to no effort needed to continue running it, it seems like a waist for you guys to spend as much as you do. after 2 years of fighting the same 3 day wars, is it any fun for you? or is it a chore you have to maintain because you "think" its fun. im not some moron just spitting opinions, I'm college educated with heavy emphasis in mathematics, computer programming and biology. so when you tell me my opinion is made up of me just complaining, you're wrong, its me noticing problems that should be changed, but due to the nature of the human brain, some of you cannot individually understand what your actually doing week to week. if enough of you REALLY want something to change in game, we can get it. Ask for new materials.

right now gree sees your spending as " we must be doing well not changing anything" , what they need to see is a dip in sales to add more content, because they are not the type of company to take initiative.

so yeah, i complain, because some of you guys don't understand how much your being taken advantage of.

[Rookeye]

I dunno if I agree, Sxe...some companies see a "dip in sales" as a herald of the end of their cash cow, depending on the size of the dip.

[sxespanky]

I dunno if I agree, Sxe...some companies see a "dip in sales" as a herald of the end of their cash cow, depending on the size of the dip.

well - with the amount of stuff we have asked for, and the amount we have actually gotten, thats the next step. plus, its not like its a cash dip with no explanation, they read this stuff every now and then. clementine was here for like a week. he knew something wasn't right here. its only a matter of time, maybe. the game has potential. and ive seen so many other mobile games realize they screwed stuff up, and went ahead and evolved it into that game 2, i dont think they have to do that hear, but give us some new content. this epic raid has one more event before they start cycling the same stuff like the past years of wars. i know i was sick of it after the first one. why have we not gotten our Auto Special Button, why does it take so long to give critical updates?

[Rookeye]

Pssst...I suspect you'll find Clementine is a woman (the name is in the feminine gender). :)


1) Raid is [effectively] new.
2) Not everyone heartily hates it.
3) Not everyone is demanding an auto-special button.

There are a lot of different avenues GREE can take this game and not everyone will agree with everyone else how it should progress. I don't think selling epics is necessarily a good or bad idea. I can see the potential hazards on either side of that argument, so I've remained mostly silent. To those who have bought, congrats on your new epic. To those who have saved money, congrats on keeping a thicker wallet! ;)

[B Legit]

well - with the amount of stuff we have asked for, and the amount we have actually gotten, thats the next step. plus, its not like its a cash dip with no explanation, they read this stuff every now and then. clementine was here for like a week. he knew something wasn't right here. its only a matter of time, maybe. the game has potential. and ive seen so many other mobile games realize they screwed stuff up, and went ahead and evolved it into that game 2, i dont think they have to do that hear, but give us some new content. this epic raid has one more event before they start cycling the same stuff like the past years of wars. i know i was sick of it after the first one. why have we not gotten our Auto Special Button, why does it take so long to give critical updates?

I think the the biggest thing you don't understand here is that not everyone thinks the same as you. Each person decides for themselves what is "worth it." I never said you were not smart, never challenged your intelligence, simply asked you to stop telling people how to spend their money (I did say those business practices wouldn't work, which they most definitely wouldn't). I don't care about your credentials, as they mean nothing, and if you really want to get into a "what have you done" battle, I win.
You obviously want things to be 100 percent in favor of the player, unfortunately that isn't how things work. Let's not discuss how things should work in a Utopian world where things can be fair to everyone, and instead come up with tangible ideas worth discussing.
If others don't understand, them let them not understand, the more people are constantly told how they should think, feel, act, the less likely they are to actually do any of the things you want them to do.

[Fossil]

If others don't understand, them let them not understand, the more people are constantly told how they should think, feel, act, the less likely they are to actually do any of the things you want them to do.

If that were true then the media would be out of jobs and advertisement wouldn't sell products. People are influenced by a constant barrage of advice telling them how to run their lives, it's just more subtle.

[Fossil]

As for the actual topic of title, maybe it's just me but owning Runic Robes from a battle long ago would not be anything to be that protective of. I don't remember any screaming when Apocalypse+ was on the auction block (but then again I probably wasn't listening anyway).

[Rookeye]

Erm...isn't all over? Subject moot?

[Skrapz]

Out of curiosity, if one were to buy gems to open chests to get an epic would that generally be more or less than the $100 to just straight up buy one like this?

[sxespanky]

I think the the biggest thing you don't understand here is that not everyone thinks the same as you. Each person decides for themselves what is "worth it." I never said you were not smart, never challenged your intelligence, simply asked you to stop telling people how to spend their money (I did say those business practices wouldn't work, which they most definitely wouldn't). I don't care about your credentials, as they mean nothing, and if you really want to get into a "what have you done" battle, I win.
You obviously want things to be 100 percent in favor of the player, unfortunately that isn't how things work. Let's not discuss how things should work in a Utopian world where things can be fair to everyone, and instead come up with tangible ideas worth discussing.
If others don't understand, them let them not understand, the more people are constantly told how they should think, feel, act, the less likely they are to actually do any of the things you want them to do.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. how one spends their money is their own business. im not asking this game be 100 % in favor of the player, just a better percentage than maybe 3 ish... or whatever its at now. its not a huge number by any means. i also agree with the media thing there, unfortunately people are a herding animal, they do what everyone else is doing. unless someone decides to walk away from that herd and speak out, nothing changes.



1) Raid is [effectively] new.
2) Not everyone heartily hates it.
3) Not everyone is demanding an auto-special button.

There are a lot of different avenues GREE can take this game and not everyone will agree with everyone else how it should progress. I don't think selling epics is necessarily a good or bad idea. I can see the potential hazards on either side of that argument, so I've remained mostly silent. To those who have bought, congrats on your new epic. To those who have saved money, congrats on keeping a thicker wallet! ;)

the raid is no longer new by the stance that the exact same raid has been ran for 4 times now, the only difference is the sprite and element is different. there are huge problems with raid that i haven't even addressed yet - because they require much more fixing than adding a few lines of code (which is what the auto special requires). i was just saying the quality of life would be better adding that button. what NEEDS to be added, or fixed, is the entire way it shows who attacked stuff, and the amount of enemies downed. our guild has some dummy who keeps hitting 4 monsters and leaving nothing bits left. there is no way to trace that. they also need to revamp enemies, everyone goes to lvl one because its the best choice to attack, right behind level 3 if you can down it, level 2 is the worst points per energy behind 5 and 4. this was known a day into the first raid and its been talked about. they need to restat the enemies, and get points distributed correctly. ive seen people say you cant see who has done zero points in a war which may be crucial to guilds who are aiming at good spots. they got the bugs out by the second raid, now update the quality of life of raid.


Out of curiosity, if one were to buy gems to open chests to get an epic would that generally be more or less than the $100 to just straight up buy one like this?

i actually like selling epics. i do, but not at 100 dollars. IF they sell them at 100 dollars, let them set a goal like kickstarters stretch rewards. X sales nets this being added to the game. Y sells gives you this and so on. get facebook and twitter into it, or whatever social media. get your technical teams on facebook like some of the other popular mobile games.



once again, i am Highly opinionated, mainly because i've watched this game do nothing for 2 years now. the epic boss shrine needs a makeover, no ones going to pay 30 gems to summon a boss from 2 years ago. i keep saying make the quality of life better, that means not absolutely needed things to make the game run, but heck if your gunna make a good game, aim for greatness. not mediocre. games producers who listen to their fans nearly always do better than those who do not.

[Rookeye]

I agree with your last paragraph, Sxe.

As to Raid, I meant I liked the variety that Raid added to GuildWar/Blitz/Guild War/Blitz, etc. I'm rather keen on the milestone rewards package too (provided the gems and keys don't vanish)... ;)

[tnorman78]

I personally like the raid boss...of course there is glitches throughout the whole game that needs to be addressed. The mono element armor is getting old. How about dual element raid bosses so the guys/gals who spend good money for their pixels get a armor that's worth having. The rewards for 26 through 100 are in desperate need of revamping. How aboutfixing the chests. I mean really..350 gems for 11 50 point armors? Make them worth opening... And back to the topic of selling epics. They would probably sell a lot quicker at a more reasonable price. You can join a alliance now and go for a top 25.epic for cheaper then what you can buy these.

[roookey1]

Can't but agree with the last 3 posts.

Good armor has to be bought in this 'game', one way or another. As the game is now, once the 'Kingdom of Darkness' has been mastered, you can do what you want, but there is no other means to get armor that gets you fair chances in all remaining aspects of the game other than to BUY it.

But the cheapest way really seems to buy into a so-called 'top guild' and leave it again after 'use' (if you have a life and also have to actually work for your money).
The 2nd expensive option is to buy a chest lottery ticket (*much* less of a chance to get any decent armor with it currently, and IF you get one, it may the 3rd time of receiving one you already got, and pretty sure it will only be one that's outdated within just a few months).
The absolutely most ridiculous option however are these direct armor purchases- not only does it feel like a 'sellout' (imagine Zelda being able to shortcut most of the game by simply buying the 'Ocarina of Time' at the beginning!), it is also ridiculously expensive for armors that are close to reaching their expiry date.

[JNI]

In my opinion 100$ would be acceptable price for a brand new epic. Maybe like 30$ for old armor that isn't much different than the current eb+.

[Marco_]

who buys this stuff...

THIS is why mobile gaming is garbage.

Apparently some rich people do. At a game I'm playing now, VIP11 and VIP12 spending tiers include as bonus for reaching them heroes exclusive to the tier (fortunately those 2 aren't really much better than other similar heroes). When reached with minimal spending, VIP11 I think still is $10k, yet a few people actually get to those tiers...
(still like that game, since a $1000/month casual player would have a hard time staying ahead of a free playing tryhard...)
But nearly every game that advertises through KnD's "free videos" has a boatload of "pay2win" complaints in their playstore reviews. I guess there's just more money to be made in in-game purchases than through upfront or monthly payments. :(

[Marco_]

You say right now that you would make it as cheap as possible while still being able to pay staff? I say bull****. If you honestly think that way you are not in the real world and don't have a clue how business works. That is exactly the reason you never will run any company.
Yep, welcome to the real world where package delivery companies make their delivery crews be all 1-person mini companies they contract because that's cheaper for them, resulting in those delivery crews being overworked, underpayed, not building up a social security safety net and therefor probably not caring too much about how/where they deliver your package, just that it's out of their hands as quickly as possible. (on packages that needed my signature, had delivery guys forge a signature multiple times...)

Current capitalism is nearly as rotten to the core as communism once was...
We'd need for ex. family run smaller businesses back instead of multinationals run by money/power-greedy psychopaths. And we need game makers to put "will player's enjoy this game?" first instead of "how can we lure in players in such a way to trap/trick them into spending as much money as possible?".


Taking screenshots to later add to the wiki is mostly while I still play KnD. (wikis, a nice example of people working together without trying to grab as much money as possible...) </rant>

[roookey1]

Taking screenshots to later add to the wiki is mostly while I still play KnD. (wikis, a nice example of people working together without trying to grab as much money as possible...) </rant>

so you're one of the helpful souls who are maintaining the wiki - thanks a lot for doing this man!

I myself have contributed a few texts also but couldn't figure out how to add graphics. Anyway. Good luck (in the chests, lol)

[sxespanky]

Taking screenshots to later add to the wiki is mostly while I still play KnD. (wikis, a nice example of people working together without trying to grab as much money as possible...) </rant>

youre the batman that gotham deserves.. i always mess up that line. pretty close?

and @marco - im sorry that i dont wanna bleed people dry. if i could make a company that gets me by and some pocket change left over, id totally do that. my dream job since i was a kid was to own a Venue where local shows could perform and have a quiet coffee house during the day.

[loine88]

i won't spend money but epics seem to be my unicorn they elude me like one. not sure if everyone has this issue but i cannot get one to save my life

[sxespanky]

i won't spend money but epics seem to be my unicorn they elude me like one. not sure if everyone has this issue but i cannot get one to save my life

not like your gunna read this because you got your 10 posts and probably put in your thread and left, but its not easy, it took nearyl 2 years before i got my first, and then i got 2 more within a month. im sitting at 3 total now. its realy all about just throwing as many 4 stars together as possible. (fusing)

[B Legit]

not like your gunna read this because you got your 10 posts and probably put in your thread and left, but its not easy, it took nearyl 2 years before i got my first, and then i got 2 more within a month. im sitting at 3 total now. its realy all about just throwing as many 4 stars together as possible. (fusing)

Yep either try to get every EB + so that you can fuse the regular version, or save up gemmies for chest/wars.

But I did not get my first for about 6 months either (completely ftp) then in the next month I got 2 more all from fusion. Since then I have bought plenty of gems and got more epics from various ways but that first one always seems to be elusive!

Also, quite a few of the fusable epics are weaker than eb+, eb+ armors can still combat many epics if you have a nice variety of elements.

[sxespanky]

Yep either try to get every EB + so that you can fuse the regular version, or save up gemmies for chest/wars.

But I did not get my first for about 6 months either (completely ftp) then in the next month I got 2 more all from fusion. Since then I have bought plenty of gems and got more epics from various ways but that first one always seems to be elusive!

Also, quite a few of the fusable epics are weaker than eb+, eb+ armors can still combat many epics if you have a nice variety of elements.

i dont even worry about leveling EBs any more, they are all fusion fodder for me. why level up a ton of EBs when i can aim at better armor? plus, the grind to 35, for a + is dreadfull. then, another one needs made to grind to 70. no thanks. after a year of doing eb plus. it really gets old. im actually sick of attacking minions to get eb to summon as well. if i can just, hit summon and he stick around for his time, thatd be grand.

[SITH F35 GM Ricky]

No point in fighting it. If you don't want to spend find a f2p guilds or an alliance that offers that option like Sith. If not, then find something else to play maybe?

[Marco_]

i dont even worry about leveling EBs any more, they are all fusion fodder for me. why level up a ton of EBs when i can aim at better armor? plus, the grind to 35, for a + is dreadfull. then, another one needs made to grind to 70. no thanks. after a year of doing eb plus. it really gets old. im actually sick of attacking minions to get eb to summon as well. if i can just, hit summon and he stick around for his time, thatd be grand.
Hmm? Arena, raids and the slightly bumped EB milestones throw mountains of armors at you, combine it with millions of farmed gold from your castle and a big stack of fusion stones and the only "grind" part left is having enough shards to make basics for fusion. Keeping room in your armory, even at 170 slots is more difficult than leveling legendary armors.

edit: and the only armors you have to level anyway is every linked element one where you don't already have 3 epics of the element combo and I guess every 2nd or 3rd rotation of split element duals. So the monos and 50-67% of split element duals don't have to be leveled anyway, since that would be wasteful. (boss collection excluded of course)

[Frostwreck]

Anyone want that triskellion plus lmao 630 bucks. You know you want to spend 5k gems for it