Fair matchups and matchup time

[Lord Vyper]

Hi, a new battle starts today and I know I don't make friends with what I say but so what?
In the last battles most of the top50 guilds where matched very often with top 10 guilds (up to 1 of 2 battles). The reason is simple: top10 guilds talk with each other to avoid to battle each other. Gree keeps the matchup times low and matches them with weaker teams more often than it should be.
The only solution in my opinion is to rise the matchup times again so that this guilds risk to lose the streak (because they run out of time) when they don't battle each other. This would be tougher for them but also fair to the other top100 guilds - and more fun.
I know this will not happen because the top10 guilds pay to much money and gree needs them. But just some thoughts - when complaining again about to long matchup times.
Have a great battle all!

[GetItFixed]

Yes please make match up waiting times of 25 min for Top 3 guilds....awesome idea:p

And i really like ur understanding of fair. :rolleyes:

[Lord Vyper]

Not surprised that you don't like the idea :rolleyes:
And of course I understand why it is like it is... But the top guilds should also try to understand the problems that this brings

[Valid or]

Hi, a new battle starts today and I know I don't make friends with what I say but so what?
In the last battles most of the top50 guilds where matched very often with top 10 guilds (up to 1 of 2 battles). The reason is simple: top10 guilds talk with each other to avoid to battle each other. Gree keeps the matchup times low and matches them with weaker teams more often than it should be.
The only solution in my opinion is to rise the matchup times again so that this guilds risk to lose the streak (because they run out of time) when they don't battle each other. This would be tougher for them but also fair to the other top100 guilds - and more fun.
I know this will not happen because the top10 guilds pay to much money and gree needs them. But just some thoughts - when complaining again about to long matchup times.
Have a great battle all!

No offence but this is not fair, adding in a penelty to wait times. And no I am not in a too 10 guild.
But
If they took out the defence value from their equation it might help even out the matches, as it's everyone's high defence that's effecting the match ups. If they were to use only the attack values from guild members it would help a lot.

[Lord Vyper]

It still wouldn't change that top10 guilds don't battle each other as much as they should... Why don't they want that? Because they want all rewards... top 10 and 56 wins. I don't want the situation that top guilds battle only top guilds -I have no problem to battle against top 10. But there is something going wrong if top 50 guilds meet top3 guilds 5 times in 50 battles.

[Valid or]

I know, we battled rk 3 times last war. But the match up went down hill the most as our defence went higher.
Being in a top 50 guild I fully understand the multiple times we tend to see the top 10 as we all declare war as often as them, at times I thought and suggested that if we wait 10-15mins after war finished maybe it would change the matches, but didn't work. As a lot of us declare as soon as one finished..
But they do need the same chance to make the streaks as the rest of us, and given the time frame gree gives us for war increasing match times for some would make that impossible for them to achieve.
It is a problem, that dose need a solution, as it's no fun to hit castles or players 100 levels lower than you, as it could be your beat target

[The red Baron]

The only solution is to have a cap, top 3 can match only top50, not top 51 team, top 10 only top 75 but this will never happen.
We have now our 10th war and got 2 top 3 and 2 top 10 playing end top75.
Seems very unfair.

[GetItFixed]

The only solution is to have a cap, top 3 can match only top50, not top 51 team, top 10 only top 75 but this will never happen.
We have now our 10th war and got 2 top 3 and 2 top 10 playing end top75.
Seems very unfair.

Then Top 3 will have match waiting times up to 60 mins.....seems fair to me....even with current match up times mist won t even have chance fighting the 65 battles needed for heroic streak reward.so everyone should be happy, not even Top guilds will get streak now. :p

[plavine]

Getting decent matchups except our opponents levels are so low ( under level 150 with defense around 30-40 mil that we are just being outscored . I am level 203 , I attacked a 205 4 times whose defense was 40 mil lower, and got 203,205, 210 , 197 points : way too low

[garen argon]

this is about money, will be about money; and will continue to be about money...they are leveraging the best matching algorithm that yields the highest gem purchases.

i've been in top 200, top 100, top 75, top 50, top 25 and top 10 guilds...seen this from most perspectives...

you have two choices...to gem or not to gem...

[Valid or]

It is a bad way to try and make money tho, going by that plan it has the opposite effect. If they want to make money, lower the costs on gems, make the events with reasonable ends for gem usage, more people would buy gems and use them. One makes money from volume, the more people who buy them the more they make.
Should concentrate on getting new people to buy, rather than getting the ones who are already buying gems to spend more.

[Silent follower]

Something is sometimes wrong as our current matchup is impossible. Even our strongest player can't beat anybody with a mega. And it is not a single/two man guild, but forty+ members we can't beat. We are outside top200, while our opponent is a top25 guild I guess, as their GG is close 900M defense...

[Jason SS]

There needs to be an absolute strength per player difference that will never be matched up. If Gree publicizes that difference 2 weeks in advance of the next war that would give each guild plenty of time to reorganize.

[garen argon]

silent, two megas from anyone and the gg is down. regardless of defence.

jason, since when has gree ever given the users advanced notification of any major changes...puhleeze.

[Shadows]

silent, two megas from anyone and the gg is down. regardless of defence.

jason, since when has gree ever given the users advanced notification of any major changes...puhleeze.

Silent wasn't talking just GG, he was saying the strongest player in his guild couldn't even beat the weakest member of their guild... it's castle time!

[Silent follower]

Silent wasn't talking just GG, he was saying the strongest player in his guild couldn't even beat the weakest member of their guild... it's castle time!

Exactly Shadows, we defeated the GG with but then realized we couldn't beat anybody. Extra energy on the castle and immediate new declaration. Still I feel a war like this isn't at all fair, at least the best should be able to beat the weakest of the other guild and not be in a war you can't win.

[Jason SS]

jason, since when has gree ever given the users advanced notification of any major changes...puhleeze.

garen, if we don't ask Gree to do things that they haven't done before, then things will only continue to get worse. Call me naive or an optimist, but I enjoy this game and want to see Gree make the necessary changes to keep people interested in playing it.

[garen argon]

Exactly Shadows, we defeated the GG with but then realized we couldn't beat anybody. Extra energy on the castle and immediate new declaration. Still I feel a war like this isn't at all fair, at least the best should be able to beat the weakest of the other guild and not be in a war you can't win.

I have an account in a top 25 guild...there are still guilds we face where it's castle time...sometimes you are the hammer...other times you are the nail...

[garen argon]

garen, if we don't ask Gree to do things that they haven't done before, then things will only continue to get worse. Call me naive or an optimist, but I enjoy this game and want to see Gree make the necessary changes to keep people interested in playing it.

jason - old proverb..Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Prov. After being tricked once, one should be wary, so that the person cannot trick you again

after playing this game long enough; keep your expectations uber low and you will never be disappointed.

[Jason SS]

Uneven match ups create frustration, apathy, and 1/2 of the players involved shutting the game off for an hour. Evenly balanced match ups create competition, excitement, and yes increased spending by both guilds.

Going back to the question asked by the OP, if I need to wait a few more minutes for a balanced match up, I would willingly accept that every time.

[Alexius]

These wait times are ridiculous. How do you even match 65 times? Why don't you just say "win 73 wars" and you get a 120m unit that comes with college tuition for your first born?

[Jerusalem]

These wait times are ridiculous. How do you even match 65 times? Why don't you just say "win 73 wars" and you get a 120m unit that comes with college tuition for your first born?

omg, alexius. you're entirely spot on with this, despite the dripping sarcasm. hope you're doing well, brother.

[plavine]

Something is sometimes wrong as our current matchup is impossible. Even our strongest player can't beat anybody with a mega. And it is not a single/two man guild, but forty+ members we can't beat. We are outside top200, while our opponent is a top25 guild I guess, as their GG is close 900M defense...

That is a brutal matchup -900 m def must be top 100 at least : remember though , and this is a point I made in another thread, the recent defense buildings ( tree fort ) has raised a lot of players 30 mil min( then tack on he buildings mod). My building mod is 65% and I'm only 140 mil def. the top players could have gone up 100 mil . Yet matchups are still done by attack strength .