Thailand Cycle - Tactical Outpost LTB, Upgrade Cost & Output Walkthrough

[ElMacho]

Please see below the walk through costs for upgrading and payouts.

Very disappointed in back to back buildings that aren't worth having. Very quickly ruining the event that I most look forward to every month. Would love to have one that I have to go raiding to get cash to build/upgrade.



Level
Cost
Output


1
44,999
625


2
75148
1,250


3
125,997
2,188


4
210,415
3,438


5
351,393
5,000


6
586,827
6,875


7
980,002
9,063


8
1,636,602
11,563


9
2,733,127
14,375


10
5,466,253
18,750



Total ugrade and build time with no bonuses is:

510 hrs.
21.25 days

Thanks for the help!


Using information posted by El Macho and comparing it to the units from Robocorp Research, there is roughly a 3% increase in stats on the units attack and defense.

If this is correct the attack defense numbers for the units should be:
8200/8198
12245/9620
15634/12789
16727/20442
27418/20682
45478/41979
55098/76087

Those would be for levels 2-9


Lvl 1 prize is Frontier Tac Bomber: A:6299, D:6824
Lvl 2 prize is Frontier LAV (g) 8203/8202 and 20 xp ...

10/10 Prize with Bonus is:Frontier Strike Sub A:135,599 D:83,108
+5% Sea Attack

[Sheldor Sir]

hope prize units are good at least for mini

[ElMacho]

updated with final prize

[Sheldor Sir]

;) that will do for my lvl 33

[SPWD]

Yay,another attack boost,absolutely pointless,like you said it's one of the things I look forward to but ........

[NexusImperium]

I agree, I get really excited for the LTB event. But I also agree with Gree that they need to be inclusive of the newer members. But let's be honest - a level 1 player who logs in once every 6 days could afford this building. I think the minimum for any LTB should be around $10-20M with a minimum level 1 IPH of about $20k.

[OwainCymro]

How long does it take without the modifiers to get the LE building to level 10?

[Thief]

Hey guys,

This LTB is targeted towards newer, lower level players. We are trying to switch it up and offer different items. The next cycle LTB will be targeted at more experienced players. It will also be FULLY sea, which should be cool.

At least you have something to look forward to next time.

[ElMacho]

Thanks for posting! Must have been in the other thread?

[Arc9761]

510 hrs.
21.25 days

[ElMacho]

How long does it take without the modifiers to get the LE building to level 10?

Sorry buddy, I don't have anyway of know this. If someone knows it I'll be happy to update my above post and continue doing so going forward.

[Vercingetorix]

510 hours to complete

[ElMacho]

I agree, I get really excited for the LTB event. But I also agree with Gree that they need to be inclusive of the newer members. But let's be honest - a level 1 player who logs in once every 6 days could afford this building. I think the minimum for any LTB should be around $10-20M with a minimum level 1 IPH of about $20k.

2 buildings per cycle would be the answer or every other cycle. The last building IMO was geared to beginner players. This one is for the guy that just downloaded game, not the millions that are playing it today.

[Web323]

No just save up for the next building since the level 10 will be 21 billion

[bam bam.]

Might skip this one. Hopefully it is the size of a barrel. Hunk of junk. Guessing still no sea building...

[Web323]

Might skip this one. Hopefully it is the size of a barrel. Hunk of junk. Guessing still no sea building...

Next one is sea, but heard that before. It is about the size of a Command Center

[ElMacho]

Might skip this one. Hopefully it is the size of a barrel. Hunk of junk. Guessing still no sea building...

Its fairly big for how bad it is....


No just save up for the next building since the level 10 will be 21 billion

Easier said than done, I'm a decent target in WD and get pummeled so I can't just save money through the war :(

[Vercingetorix]

Using information posted by El Macho and comparing it to the units from Robocorp Research, there is roughly a 3% increase in stats on the units attack and defense.

If this is correct the attack defense numbers for the units should be:
8200/8198
12245/9620
15634/12789
16727/20442
27418/20682
45478/41979
55098/76087

Those would be for levels 2-9

[SSG]

I think its great Gree is not forgetting the lower players. Maybe every 3rd building can be geared towards low iph/level players. Then a mid level player and then a high level iph player. Or run 2 ltb's simultaneously. One for beginners like iltqs and one for normal.

[[]v[]er0***]

Unless technical not possible, I don't understand why Gree's marketing department is not making all their customers happy....

Because why not bring out 3 ltb's every month or other month? So that new starters, medium experienced and highly experienced players all get a limited time building.

For example an easy, normal and prestige building.

Way less customers disappointed and something there for every level of player experience. Win-win, I would say.

Oh yeah, I am for hire Gree 😉.

[VileDoom]

Although it's low income it does look pretty cool. ;)

[Miss Soprano]

v[]er0***;1369859']Unless technical not possible, I don't understand why Gree's marketing department is not making all their customers happy....

Because why not bring out 3 ltb's every month or other month? So that new starters, medium experienced and highly experienced players all get a limited time building.

For example an easy, normal and prestige building.

Way less customers disappointed and something there for every level of player experience. Win-win, I would say.

Oh yeah, I am for hire Gree 😉.

That's an awesome idea! It would be amazing if they did that. Everyone loves LTBs so why wouldn't they do it?

[SSG]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B19Wogss-NpHMEVSa1ltS1ktSlE/edit?usp=docslist_api

Base cost confirmed 50k with no modifiers

Building Level | Exp Level Unlocked | Upgrade / Build Cost Upgrade / Build Time (hrs) | Building Size | Output time (hrs) | Output | Hourly output | Previous Output | $/hr gain | Marginal IPH / hr Upgrade Time | $ Won if Successfully Raided 3 Consecutive Times | ROI (hrs) | ROI (Clicks) = # of times you need to collect to pay for it | Cost Per Hr |$ Gained | XP Gained | Unit Received | Bonus


1 5 $50,000 24 10 x 10 12 $625 $52 $0 $52 $2 $375 984.00 80 $960.00
10XP Frontier TEC Bomber (A) 6299A / 6824D
2 5 $83,500 30 10 x 10 12 $1,250 $104 $625 $52 $2 $750 1,633.20 67 $1,603.20
20XP Frontier LAV (G) 8203A/8202D
3 5 $139,445 36 10 x 10 12 $2,188 $182 $1,250 $78 $2 $1,313 1,820.90 64 $1,784.90
30XP Frontier Revenant (I) 12249A/9624D
4 5 $232,873 42 10 x 10 12 $3,438 $286 $2,188 $104 $2 $2,063 2,277.58 68 $2,235.58
40XP
5 5 $388,898 48 10 x 10 12 $5,000 $417 $3,438 $130 $3 $3,000 3,034.74 78 $2,986.74
50XP
6 5 $649,460 54 10 x 10 12 $6,875 $573 $5,000 $156 $3 $4,125 4,210.54 95 $4,156.54
60XP
7 5 $1,084,598 60 10 x 10 12 $9,063 $755 $6,875 $182 $3 $5,438 6,009.80 120 $5,949.80
70 XP
8 5 $1,811,279 66 10 x 10 12 $11,563 $964 $9,063 $208 $3 $6,938 8,760.14 157 $8,694.14
80 XP
9 5 $3,024,836 72 10 x 10 12 $14,375 $1,198 $11,563 $234 $3 $8,625 12,977.97 211 $12,905.97
90XP
10 5 $5,051,475 78 10 x 10 12 $18,750 $1,563 $14,375 $365 $5 $11,250 13,933.48 270 $13,855.48
100XP Frontier Strike Sub (S) 135,599A/83108D +5 Sea Attack​

[Miss Soprano]

Just another crap building for my main and mini...

[LCDR2012]

I usually try and look at both sides when it comes to GREE comments and also to consider the impact to all levels of players but after finally a water relater LTB which was only minimally beneficial to lower level players and totally useless to higher level players tying up valuable upgrade time we get a horrible output building that is only useful to players that have been in the game for a few months or less give me a break GREE. One of the last events that is looked forward to by most players and we get this crap output which will tie up upgrade for three weeks should we desire to go all the way with it, totally useless to high levels, only marginally good rewards for mid tier and lets help out the new players cause they have put in so much time and effort to work hard to get ahead. You have to wonder about the person who is actually in charge of game design strategy. I've just lost any faith I have left for this company. Ok yes I don't have to play but this forum is my input and here it is Greedy.

[polkerface]

10/10 Prize with Bonus is:
Frontier Strike Sub
A:135,599
D:83,108
+5% Sea Attack

Is this "prize" confirmed? Not sure it would even be worth it for new players to tie up funds or time that could be used for other upgrades/builds....unless they could make it happen on their first day of play. This one sends a clear message to me that gree doesn't even respect (or want to keep) new players/customers....because they showed not long after I started playing that they couldn't care less about veteran players/customers.

[ElMacho]

Is this "prize" confirmed? Not sure it would even be worth it for new players to tie up funds or time that could be used for other upgrades/builds....unless they could make it happen on their first day of play. This one sends a clear message to me that gree doesn't even respect (or want to keep) new players/customers....because they showed not long after I started playing that they couldn't care less about veteran players/customers.

Yes - Splash screen

[SPWD]

Lvl 2 prize is Frontier LAV (g) 8203/8202 and 20 xp

[ElMacho]

updated through lvl 2 if you get there before me post and I'll update.

[SPWD]

Lvl 3 is Frontier Revenant (inf) 12249/9624 30xp

That's the last il be posting as I'm quitting today.

Steve

[e..]

Won't spend time on this building. Got a lot of others to upgrade so I don't see "the end of the world" here, more like, yes free time! To work on iph. he he

[Thief]

Its a free units with a boost if you focus on the building....I mean if you care more about IPH and can only upgrade 1 building at a time I understand but I think its worth upgrading for the vast majority of players (not both but just the one for the prizes)

[Annihilator2]

This one sends a clear message to me that gree doesn't even respect (or want to keep) new players/customers....because they showed not long after I started playing that they couldn't care less about veteran players/customers.

Gree does not care about any players/customers at all. And why shall it care? Players spend a lot of money in the games and MW specifically. Gree hates players more and they spend more like idiots.

[Annihilator2]

Free? You will not reach level 10 without gold.

[innov-8-or]

Lvl 3 is Frontier Revenant (inf) 12249/9624 30xp

That's the last il be posting as I'm quitting today.

Steve

I'm just wondering if anyone can explain this as I'm guessing it will faster and more informative than emailing tech support...

I started my lvl 3 building upgrade. Based on what I saw above it should take me 30 hours without any boosts. I have -31% building time boost, which to me it should equal to 20.7 hours (30hours x 0.69). My screen on the "upgrade in progress" says 24.38hours left to complete...

HOW CAN THIS BE?

[innov-8-or]

Nevermind on the -31% reduction in time. It seems to work out based on the 36 hours it actually takes. I had read it wrong at 30 hours.

Regardless, I have 4 boosts that are -15%, -15%, -10% and -5%. How do these total -31%?

[Web323]

My level 3 only took 21 hours

[SSG]

Free? You will not reach level 10 without gold.

I complete LTB's without gold and usually have 2 days to spare. Get your cement factory to level 10 and work towards those building upgrade bonuses.

[AdamInToronto]

Think I'm quitting this building too. I mean, 5% sea attack is nice, and will survive the test of time should new cash units be released that favour sea over all else. But it does nothing for me now.
If new players can't finish this building without gold, who does it serve?

I mean, as far as IPH goes, this one is right near the bottom for worst building ever.

[ElMacho]

I also am not doing it, would rather work IPH

[CC1]

Nevermind on the -31% reduction in time. It seems to work out based on the 36 hours it actually takes. I had read it wrong at 30 hours.

Regardless, I have 4 boosts that are -15%, -15%, -10% and -5%. How do these total -31%?

They aren't simple additions. There is a diminishing effect. For example, to keep the math simple assume a base time of 100 minutes. The first reduction (15%) lowers the time to 85 minutes. The next, however, is 15% off of the new 85 (not 15% off 100). So new time is 72.25 minutes (not 70 minutes if you added the percentages then subtracted from 100).
Each reduction takes the percentage off the new number not the original 100.

Hope this helps.

[CC1]

They aren't simple additions. There is a diminishing effect. For example, to keep the math simple assume a base time of 100 minutes. The first reduction (15%) lowers the time to 85 minutes. The next, however, is 15% off of the new 85 (not 15% off 100). So new time is 72.25 minutes (not 70 minutes if you added the percentages then subtracted from 100).
Each reduction takes the percentage off the new number not the original 100.

Hope this helps.

Oops. Just did the math on your specific numbers. Your cumulative reduction compare to starting base number should be -38.2%. Send a ticket. I had the same problem with building output. It was, eventually, corrected.

[TylerRocksWisconsin]

1/10: Frontier Tac Bomber [A] (6,299/6,824)
2/10: Frontier LAV [G] (8,203/8,202)
3/10: Frontier Revenant [I] (12,249/9,624)
4/10: Frontier Hunter [S] (15,639/12,794)
5/10: Frontier Reaper [A] (16,732/20,449)
6/10: Frontier Battleship [S] (27,426/20,689)
7/10:
8/10:
9/10:
10/10: Frontier Strike Sub [S] +5% Sea Attack (134,599/83,108)

[Merc_mw]

Bump for those that are looking

[Socks]

Apparently everyone on the forums is a 1%'er.

I think many of you are full of it.

[Drakhoan]

v[]er0***;1369859']Unless technical not possible, I don't understand why Gree's marketing department is not making all their customers happy....

Because why not bring out 3 ltb's every month or other month? So that new starters, medium experienced and highly experienced players all get a limited time building.

For example an easy, normal and prestige building.

Way less customers disappointed and something there for every level of player experience. Win-win, I would say.

Oh yeah, I am for hire Gree .

Think this is a terrible idea. Its nice to build some anticipation. Don't like the current one don't build it, much as... don't like the current ltq then don't do it. Sure I wish there were some better ones too, but a rotation makes the most sense.

Oh yeah... you can't satisfy everyone at the same time! Nice not to hear everyone complain about the LTB being geared toward SUP and the big spenders.

[Merc_mw]

I think level 10 must be done by the end of WD to get the bonus. Can someone confirm that is the time limit?

[DaBoss!]

I think level 10 must be done by the end of WD to get the bonus. Can someone confirm that is the time limit?

If you look at your Thailand Outpost Cycle goal in your folder at the top left hand screen of the game, you can see the time left........

[Merc_mw]

Of course! Thanks