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bam bam.
07-28-2014, 02:48 AM
So, is there any significant amount of strategy left in the game or are you purely buying a place on a leader board?. Highest bidder takes the place!.

If you believe strategy plays a significant part vote for that.
If you believe top teams/individuals buy their place and no amount of strategy will bring you significantly closer to them without real world dollars being sunk vote for that.

Feel free to add your strategies below.



I'll start, team coordination has value but I believe not enough in events like war.

Arc9761
07-28-2014, 03:29 AM
Free to Play - Pay to Win.

With very limited PvP events, it's all you against the machine.

There is no strategy left to this game.
1. Collect cash
2. Spend on upgrades, expansion, new builds, etc
3. (Optional) Raid to get more cash.
4. Play LTQs.

NO STRATEGY. There is some level of coordination for factions doing FLTQs, but no strategy.

Edit: Frontline does have an element of strategy, but more often than not, whomever has the deepest pockets win.

Ozymandias
07-28-2014, 03:36 AM
The top is all about money.

Lower down strategy and coordination can make a big difference.

Like many things in life..

1GaDawg85
07-28-2014, 03:42 AM
If you wanna play up top, open up the wallet

mickymacirl
07-28-2014, 03:50 AM
Strategy all the way.

Veritas aequitas
07-28-2014, 04:01 AM
For you perhaps yes, how far do you push your account, when you attempt to ban people. We get it. Were talking about everyone besides you and your fellow gree contractors.


Strategy all the way.

1GaDawg85
07-28-2014, 05:00 AM
Strategy all the way.

In what universe? Not this one

Paisthecoolest
07-28-2014, 05:21 AM
I want the reward for finishing in the top 350 individual (+14% Air defense). I would also like the reward for winning 1500 battles (+5% Air Attack). If I win 1500 battles, I might be ranked too high to get the top 350 reward. I might need to chose one or the other. That is the closest I have come to strategy in months

Arizona
07-28-2014, 06:02 AM
Mostly strategy, except for the box event and Frontline, where you're effectively given a choice of a free unit and a gold unit. Gree spent so much time on the user interface but all it boils down to is, outspend your opponent and you win; and for a 60 min war, not much happens for 55mins. Gree should have tweaked Full Assault and kept the game play aspects instead of giving us Frontline Auction.

Jannski
07-28-2014, 06:04 AM
There is team coordination and strategy involved. I had to vote auction though.

At the end of the day if you told me a team of 60 free can beat a team with 60 gold users I'd have to laugh out loud. The only way that could happen is if the 60 gold users were completely drunk and missing the button when they try to tap... or the 60 free players are former gold users with Insane stats and the current gold users couldn't compete.

There is no strategy in the world that will allow a free player to stay competitive against someone using their gold for completing events. Now within the free group and within brackets of gold users strategy can be the differentiator. Not across tiers though. No way. The only way to get a spot at the top prize is to buy it and have a good bidding strategy. A.k.a an auction. A strategy without the cash to bid isn't going to do anything even against bidders who bring buckets of cash to the auction and no strategy.

mickymacirl
07-28-2014, 06:09 AM
For you perhaps yes, how far do you push your account, when you attempt to ban people. We get it. Were talking about everyone besides you and your fellow gree contractors.

If I had a picture of someone playing the smallest violin in the world, I would post it, but I don't. Grow a pair will you.

mickymacirl
07-28-2014, 06:12 AM
In what universe? Not this one

You can have as much gold as you want. Without a good communications channel and active members, it would mean very little.

Annihilator2
07-28-2014, 06:23 AM
I want the reward for finishing in the top 350 individual (+14% Air defense). I would also like the reward for winning 1500 battles (+5% Air Attack). If I win 1500 battles, I might be ranked too high to get the top 350 reward. I might need to chose one or the other. That is the closest I have come to strategy in months

You talk about simple choice betweeen two options.

Coordination in FLTQs is tactics and not strategy.

There is no strategy today in this game and all other similar games. You buy your rank in the leader board only.

Speed ump
07-28-2014, 06:32 AM
Micky is correct. If the game were completely free, there are still some teams who will consistantly do well. Then people will deride them for being nerds with no life other than the game. Oh, never mind, they already do that. As with anything you do in life, the effort you put into it is reflected to some extent in the results.

Rob TRK
07-28-2014, 06:37 AM
Strategy - defining a long term plan of actions or outcomes
Tactics - the specific actions taken to implement the strategy

So there is both Strategy and tactics.

The strategy may well be to complete all faction events, place in position xxx in war and finish level n of Raid boss, along with growing the faction.

The tactics then are defined by the strategy.

One of the tactics is how much gold you spend or expect your members to spend, As a consequence your strategy has to take account of the impact of those decisions. We all know it is not possible to get to certain levels without Gold spend as there is only so much that you can achieve free.

AHH
07-28-2014, 06:58 AM
Micky is correct. If the game were completely free, there are still some teams who will consistantly do well. Then people will deride them for being nerds with no life other than the game. Oh, never mind, they already do that. As with anything you do in life, the effort you put into it is reflected to some extent in the results.

I tend to agree with you, but you must admit with each passing day that the "extent" diminshes further and further regardless of effort.

jchow69
07-28-2014, 07:04 AM
There has to be some sort of strategy. Look at the streak teams and its a good example of strategy.

mickymacirl
07-28-2014, 07:29 AM
There has to be some sort of strategy. Look at the streak teams and its a good example of strategy.

That's a really good example, I see factions collectively spending little or no gold and still get the full streak rewards.

bam bam.
07-28-2014, 08:13 AM
Glad to see some passion. I'm asking is it more one way or the other. Will strategy get you a win over simply buying top spot?. Could someone outsmart you in a particular event to beat you?.

Id like to see a free event every quarter that was strategy and activity based.

Speed ump
07-28-2014, 11:51 AM
The answer bam bam is absolutely yes. I know of two diff top thre factions that in the last two wds, got led down the path of taking an opponent to lightly. Then they both lost a battle dues to a last min rush. I've heard of even what some would consider underhanded attempts that worked. They contacted someone on the opposing faction and asked them to go easy, they would not fight back, then. Hammer the other team last minute. It's war, so you'd better know who you're talking to, or they could cost you a win. There's other strategies that can be used and applied. Some has to do with the time commitment from each member, and scheduling to have people cover all times zones. Maybe you go super string early, even if you know you can sustain it, in order to make the opponent stand down. Somewhat similar to poker,lol. Yes, there's definitely lots of strategy. How much you use, is up to you, and how much time and effort you want to put Into it

Shinedown Gree
07-28-2014, 12:03 PM
Seems more like a only the wealthiest survive type of game

Jaded Fusion
07-28-2014, 12:11 PM
Strategy is whatever you want it to be.
I'm sure there are a lot of people who over spend for their factions battle rank. They don't get stronger within their faction even if they spend thousands of gold bricks more then the next.

Knowing when to spend is a strategy. I've seen people in t500 put up 500k wdp.

Annihilator2
07-28-2014, 12:18 PM
That's a really good example, I see factions collectively spending little or no gold and still get the full streak rewards.

Agree with Rob and don't understand how you moved short term tactics in strikes to long term strategy...
It seems that you don't understand difference.

Annihilator2
07-28-2014, 12:26 PM
The strategy may well be to complete all faction events, place in position xxx in war and finish level n of Raid boss, along with growing the faction.

"to complete all events" is not a strategy. It is action game.
All try to get higher place in war and in bosses without any strategy :cool:

Rob TRK
07-28-2014, 12:30 PM
Mickey all those things you describe are valid, but they are tactics. They win single engagements, not campaigns.

As for Streak teams, there is certainly strategy, but it's limited as it's primarily a single dimension of the game. I'm not knocking it at all, perfectly valid.

Strategy in this game is about building your faction, getting liked minded players in, agreeing a coherent set of targets that deliver to teams individual needs. With or without Gold.

For me those goals have to be progressive, developing the group as a whole. If you meet those goals and achieve what you set our hey presto happy faction....

None of the above is easy of course when your major form of communication is the written word only.

Annihilator, I'll stand corrected and agree that point, as it's a tactic for the specific campaign to finish all faction events and improve player stats.

Annihilator2
07-28-2014, 01:10 PM
Rob, I mostly agree with you.
But all events is direct line in the game like quest or sequence of targets in action game, not more.
"Faction" is key for participation in WD and FLTQ. I don't see any strategy here too.

Sgt. Fancypants
07-28-2014, 01:43 PM
I voted strategy. Really though, it's both. Although almost everything in this game is for sale, all things being equal it comes down to strategy. To have a good account all you need is money. But to be good at the game you need strategy, specifically in teams. This is more true for certain players however, usually where money isn't an issue: At the top, where everyone has it and the bottom, where no one does.

Jannski makes really good points. There is obviously strategy involved but much of it amounts to elaborate bidding. For example rushes are akin to last minute ebay snipes.

Edit: Now that I think about this dichotomy is bull as all auctions contain varying degrees of strategy which is why they feature heavily in game theory.

bam bam.
07-28-2014, 05:56 PM
I must say I was expecting 98% to say you will never win without buying your spot. Very surprised at the poll results so far.

sister morphine
07-28-2014, 11:17 PM
90% auction, 10% strategy

Pidgeot
07-28-2014, 11:44 PM
Plants v s Zombies 2 has more strategy than this game. In modern war, there is no set up at all. You cant "improve" or "learn" how to do better. If I keep losing a board in PvZ 2, I can readjust my strategy and win. I always have options. In Modern War, you have no options. What do you do when you are attacked by a player 20 times stronger than you? Everything in this game is a grab for money. Rather than letting energy act as HP, since this is supposed to be a RPG, they give you 100 and make every hit 25 damage. Other games you can make or buy potion to heal. Not this game. They make you buy it. You cant do anything in this game without gold.

They punish you for getting boost, and its not like you get harder fights or anything, they punish the whole player base because of how powerful the top 5% are. Why are weaker players having to fight bosses with billions of health? Nothing in this game is fair.

the_Enforcer_
07-28-2014, 11:55 PM
think about it like an actual auction......if your against ppl in an auction with the same amount of funding as yourself, there may be more strategy involved, if your in an auction with someone who has 100 x your funds available, doesn't matter how much strategy you implement, you ain't gonna win the auction.......

Rob TRK
07-29-2014, 09:23 AM
Pidgeot, if the game is that unfair why play? It's a perspective I don't comprehend.

Enforcer, good analogy. This and other similar games are massively defined by investment that you want or can spend. For whatever reason the SUP and OSW boys have decided that it's number one (or try) at whatever cost. They have pushed the stakes up by their preparedness to spend. So given that landscape and our desire to play we have to determine what approach we take in response (That is a strategy), we can

1. Aim to complete and invest accordingly
2. Compete at a level that suits our player group and accept that growth and achievement are curtailed a as result
3. Not compete at all and quit the game.

It's a choice no one here is forced to play. Whatever you choose enjoy it this is a leisure experience.

Speed ump
07-29-2014, 09:28 AM
Pidgeot, these days the game is about( at least to myself and most others I know) about how the team performs. That equates to team events. I have always been one of the stronger in the game, yet many people can defeat me or my teamates in the game. Not really any strategy involved in that, and the reason why I rarely participate in attacks and raids in the game any longer. There is strategy, co ordination, planning, etc involved in team events.

Zender
07-29-2014, 09:29 AM
This is a slow paced strategy game. Most people didn't clock on early enough that IPH would be the biggest factor on whether or not someone is successful. (To a certain degree)

That said once you've got your 3000 cash units you just focus on the boosts that go with them. And from my experience, good boost units/rewards come from good teamwork and communication. Money really doesn't play a part in this unless you want to be pretty high on the leaderboard.

Pidgeot
07-29-2014, 12:46 PM
The faction Im with is the reason I play.

stephen2013
07-29-2014, 09:40 PM
I think there is a lot of strategy involved in this game, especially in Frontline, Raid boss, and WD. But the strategy aspect is usually thrown out the window with massive spending.

It's sad really. I miss the early days when it was all strategy.

Robespierre
07-29-2014, 10:44 PM
The strategy is to gain the most stats for the least amount spent; ROI (see also casino model of business).

While high bidders may have less ROI, they still get the best toys.

May the high bidders enjoy the Emperor's new clothes.

Shinedown Gree
07-29-2014, 11:02 PM
The strategy is to gain the most stats for the least amount spent; ROI (see also casino model of business).

While high bidders may have less ROI, they still get the best toys.

May the high bidders enjoy the Emperor's new clothes.

What he said^^

BIGBOY
07-30-2014, 05:33 AM
it is stategy in the beginning when you just started but up in the top it's just spend as much as you can to complete and forget the strategy, I don't think the guys in the top have fun anymore when you spend $10 000 to get 5 000 000 individuel points(with the gold program). so it's both, or they need to make the gold more expensive so the non gold player also have a chance of getting top prizes. just my opinion, auction for sure

bam bam.
07-30-2014, 07:24 AM
Hmm, a new take. Is planning to spend a boat load of money a strategy lol.

Each individuals gaming style may vary the ideas here but overwhelmingly he who spends the most. Wins the event.

Speed ump. Not flaming you here, but could SUP win if they didn't outspend OSW. Could SUP finish top 100 with zero money spent through strategising instead of spending.

I would love to see a free event. A true free event where it was all about strategy and team work. Not every event but once a quarter, hell even once every 6 months would be epic. I could imagine 100 serious factions working together to topple SUP. Could SUP hold them off. 60 ppl 3 days without sleep vs 600 trying to bring about their downfall. I have heard SUP say they r the most committed but I think a free event would see that truly tested. Even if the prize was only a trophy and an energy regen for top spot :P

jchow69
07-30-2014, 07:38 AM
Hmm, a new take. Is planning to spend a boat load of money a strategy lol.

Each individuals gaming style may vary the ideas here but overwhelmingly he who spends the most. Wins the event.

Speed ump. Not flaming you here, but could SUP win if they didn't outspend OSW. Could SUP finish top 100 with zero money spent through strategising instead of spending.

I would love to see a free event. A true free event where it was all about strategy and team work. Not every event but once a quarter, hell even once every 6 months would be epic. I could imagine 100 serious factions working together to topple SUP. Could SUP hold them off. 60 ppl 3 days without sleep vs 600 trying to bring about their downfall. I have heard SUP say they r the most committed but I think a free event would see that truly tested. Even if the prize was only a trophy and an energy regen for top spot :P

Ya, a free event would test many top teams as well, teams that normally fork over gold, to instead strategize and coordinate and come up with a real strategy. A true free event where gold or any form of real life cash would be irrelevant and not in effect of any part of this event.

WBS
08-01-2014, 05:56 AM
I believe there is some strategy involved but not so much that it is a pure strategic game. When you are going head to head with a faction the one with the most money (gold) is going to win the majority of the time. If I were to vote I would choose an auction game as I believe that would outweigh strategy by a fair amount. I am the leader of a top 350 team and the only reason we don't get higher than that in the past wars is not because of strategy but because we are a very active bunch that use only light gold. If it was pure strategy we would place much higher.

Max Power
08-01-2014, 07:29 AM
Strategy = the people shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic

Auction = The people already in the life boats.

All the strategizing in the world in this game might get you to the front of the non-spenders, but that is far below average in this game.

WBS
08-01-2014, 10:04 AM
Very well said. Strategy wouldn't win against OSW, strategy wouldn't give them millions of points. So when its all said and done MONEY rules.

bam bam.
08-01-2014, 07:24 PM
I believe the poll has spoken. Thanks for your inputs on both sides. Keep it up guys!

Auspex
08-01-2014, 09:21 PM
Ya, a free event would test many top teams as well, teams that normally fork over gold, to instead strategize and coordinate and come up with a real strategy. A true free event where gold or any form of real life cash would be irrelevant and not in effect of any part of this event.

Is it wrong to say I would pay to see a free event like this?

If Gree plugged the glitches, and removed hackers and fixed all the broken parts of the game like the Edit Blocked player button that does nothing, I would consider paying for this game. As it sits right now I enjoy the strategy of a free player falling in the top 400ish wd and letting Speed ump and his team pay the staffing costs at Gree for me.

It would be interesting to see who would win a free WD. There is certainly strategy that can be used but many of the top teams are out of practice with strategy so there would be a big dust up I think.

kobywright
08-02-2014, 01:48 AM
Its simply money. No stragegy in any game except frontline.

Systematrix
08-02-2014, 06:43 AM
There is team coordination and strategy involved. I had to vote auction though.

At the end of the day if you told me a team of 60 free can beat a team with 60 gold users I'd have to laugh out loud. The only way that could happen is if the 60 gold users were completely drunk and missing the button when they try to tap... or the 60 free players are former gold users with Insane stats and the current gold users couldn't compete.

There is no strategy in the world that will allow a free player to stay competitive against someone using their gold for completing events. Now within the free group and within brackets of gold users strategy can be the differentiator. Not across tiers though. No way. The only way to get a spot at the top prize is to buy it and have a good bidding strategy. A.k.a an auction. A strategy without the cash to bid isn't going to do anything even against bidders who bring buckets of cash to the auction and no strategy.

This is the correct answer.