Independent (non alliance) guild

[MacRicky]

Some of us do not find alliance tactics to our liking, so this topic is for those fighting guilds who stand tall on there own. Those who do not take a fall for anyone but earn their rank the hard way. :cool:

[Sol Invictus]

their*


Being independent is a waste

[Oskong]

Good job . You've described BTNO guilds . Go join one if them . An alliance is like a religion , to be classified as a religion you have to have at least 3 followers who believe whatever you believe . If 3 guilds choose your path , your now an alliance .

Smfh

[Sol Invictus]

I don't know what you just said, but an alliance is nothing like a religion.

[MiniMod]

I think he means that if you have multiple guilds all choosing the same path, they are "like" a religion. You know, the old "where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them" Matthew 18:20.

[Fossil]

I think he means that if you have multiple guilds all choosing the same path, they are "like" a religion. You know, the old "where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them" Matthew 18:20.

Working to a common goal does not a religion make.

[MiniMod]

That's why he said "like a religion". He didn't say it WAS a religion.

[Sol Invictus]

It's not like a religion either.



Unless you wanna get real broad with that comparison, but then, an abortion clinic is like religion too.

[sxespanky]

its like this post is a potato.

[MiniMod]

I prefer beans.

Religion: an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Taking just the first part, an organized collection of beliefs. A bunch of people who don't feel the need for stripping. Okay, one belief. They're organized. There are multiple of these people that all have the same beliefs. Its kinda like a religion.

To coin another phrase, if you're not with us, you're against us. Stripping alliances, and non-stripping alliances. They all agree to not strip for anyone. They're an alliance whether they like it or not. Sure, Religion is a stretch, but hey, I don't see you cracking down on every other horrible analogy on these forums either.

[Rookeye]

http://i57.tinypic.com/de7dw0.jpg

[MacRicky]

I did not open this post without a reason.

I would like to see which non alined guild ranks the highest.

If you are looking for an analogy, look at boxing. A Golden Glove Champ who won their title because another fighter took a fall is a tainted chap. The real champions won all their victories in a fair fight.

Or, in baseball , basketball, soccer, football name me a real chap who didn't win their title on their own.

Alliances are not a violation of GREE's rules so it is ok but the top non alliance guild is my idea of the best team.

[Rhaegal]

I did not open this post without a reason.

I would like to see which non alined guild ranks the highest.

If you are looking for an analogy, look at boxing. A Golden Glove Champ who won their title because another fighter took a fall is a tainted chap. The real champions won all their victories in a fair fight.

Or, in baseball , basketball, soccer, football name me a real chap who didn't win their title on their own.

Alliances are not a violation of GREE's rules so it is ok but the top non alliance guild is my idea of the best team.

I'm sure there's a higher ranked non alliance guild but my guild was top 100, almost top 50 this war and isn't in an alliance.

[MacRicky]

Ok Rhaegal


My guild was top 20 in last 3 day and top 10 in fusion

who else can report their situation

[MacRicky]

BTW orc wars do not offer lay down guilds any direct benefit So they are a close to a lvl playing field

[Rhaegal]

Ok Rhaegal


My guild was top 20 in last 3 day and top 10 in fusion

who else can report their situation

Congrats! I'm kind of interested to know because most of the guys that I know that have been playing a while all say that a non alliance non stripping guild can't make top 25. And I get that stripping makes it easier but, sad if that's true.

[Rookeye]

We don't strip. We made #41 this Guild War that just ended (27 knights), with no gem spending requirements. We're not allied with any other IOS group. Not sure if this makes us heroes or idiots... ;)

[MacRicky]

Rookeye, your team can be proud of the fact that they finished in the top 50 teams over all; and if we could get a accurate listing of the other in independent non stripping Guilds your Knights would be ranked much higher.

How did you do in the Raid Boss Orc War? It seems to me that due to the nature of that type of battle it is better gage of a Guild's real rank. GREE has structured the rewards/milestones in a way that helps all fighting guilds based on their true strength. If GREE would workout the bugs in that format and increase the rewards, the non alined guilds would grow stronger relative to those who are strippers.

My guild beats many high ranked alliance guilds who are much higher ranked the us. I think we win those fights due to the fact that their rank is not a real true indication of their actual skill and strength.

Plus, after all the effort players put into gaining strength it is wasted when they strip and those knights who are brainlessly pounding on the stripped knight are getting points even if they are relatively week. When that team runs into an independent guild that fight is the true indication of the better team.

[Rookeye]

Different wars had different conditions and different outcomes: We were only 16 players during Orc Raid; finished #96. When we were 4 players, we would range from between #250-425, depending (scored higher during the Blitzes). I can honestly say though, that I've always seen us score higher "in the next war" every time.

And I will say this: Every war is different, because it's not just what WE bring to the table, but what other Guilds bring as well. :)


P.S. We have a good crew this go around. I'm really proud of what they accomplished as a team!

[AG Hashirama]

good to know that independent guilds can survive

[Tiffanee]

I have an independent guild. Ranked 25th in the Raid. 27th this last war with 2/3 of our normal points. Since the beginning of the year we have had an average rank of 40, with no battle worse than 99.

Independent guilds can make it to top 25. We were playing in that kiddie pool well before there were epic rewards. It was a bit of a shock to see our rank drop so much when they were introduced. We only won two of them.

[AG Hashirama]

I have an independent guild. Ranked 25th in the Raid. 27th this last war with 2/3 of our normal points. Since the beginning of the year we have had an average rank of 40, with no battle worse than 99.

Independent guilds can make it to top 25. We were playing in that kiddie pool well before there were epic rewards. It was a bit of a shock to see our rank drop so much when they were introduced. We only won two of them.



whats your guild?

[BigBird4548]

MacRicky is not a troll or some person posting something random.

This man started his guild with his wife and they are the most amazing people ever. They are strong on being independent and it shows with their record. To make a independent guild work, you need a positive environment and players who are willing to play the game right. MacRicky has done a fantastic job and I am grateful to have him as a friend.

[evilheart]

My guild is independent. .we ranked 43 in last 3 day war..

[MacRicky]

Ok if I was more tech savvy I would make up a table with the guild name name and rank in the three types of War We could them see how we stand up over time.

BTW it is great fun when you get matched to a stripper Guild and find a GM stripper and not on line during the Battler Period many points :cool:

[Tiffanee]

whats your guild?

It is The D.

[MiniMod]

Some of us do not find alliance tactics to our liking, so this topic is for those fighting guilds who stand tall on there own. Those who do not take a fall for anyone but earn their rank the hard way. :cool:



BTW it is great fun when you get matched to a stripper Guild and find a GM stripper and not on line during the Battler Period many points :cool:

So how does happening upon stripped GMs and farming them for massive points equate to doing things the hard way? Just because it wasn't planned in advance or during the battle? Alliance or not, you're benefitting from the stripping mechanic in the game. Yes, no one will likely fault you for farming the GM when they give the highest points, but don't trumpet it around if you say you do things the hard way.

[Rhaegal]

So how does happening upon stripped GMs and farming them for massive points equate to doing things the hard way? Just because it wasn't planned in advance or during the battle? Alliance or not, you're benefitting from the stripping mechanic in the game. Yes, no one will likely fault you for farming the GM when they give the highest points, but don't trumpet it around if you say you do things the hard way.

Those of us that don't/ won't strip do "do it the hard way". But a gift is a gift....

And I'm speculating here but wouldn't a big point total but relatively bad win/loss ratio indicate they are in an alliance/stripping? I know if our win ratio was 50 or 60% we would be back around rank 150 and not ranked in the 50's for last war.

Also, I don't think you can use raid results as a true indicator of strength because I know that for me and a lot of guys the event was so boring after day two that we just couldn't anymore.

War rank whether fusion, 3-day, or raid boss, is an indication of only 1 thing... # of gems spent.

[Rookeye]

MacRicky is not a troll or some person posting something random.

This man started his guild with his wife and they are the most amazing people ever. They are strong on being independent and it shows with their record. To make a independent guild work, you need a positive environment and players who are willing to play the game right. MacRicky has done a fantastic job and I am grateful to have him as a friend.

I never assumed the OP was a troll. My "I Smell Trolls" jolly was aimed at those I thought were trolling him. Sorry for the confusion. Moving right along...

[Rookeye]

War rank whether fusion, 3-day, or raid boss, is an indication of only 1 thing... # of gems spent.

I won't deny that gems were spent...but our Guild also benefitted from heavy participation, coordinated assaults, and knowledge of elements and armors. Our guys knew who to hit, and when. Perma-declaring was also helpful.

Remember, not everyone in my Guild gems...I'd say more than half of them don't, so I won't diminish their accomplishment by saying, "Gee, other Guilds must not have fought that hard this go around." (If that's the case, we'll find out next War.) ;)

[MacRicky]

It is The D.

United Warriors

[Tiffanee]

And I'm speculating here but wouldn't a big point total but relatively bad win/loss ratio indicate they are in an alliance/stripping? I know if our win ratio was 50 or 60% we would be back around rank 150 and not ranked in the 50's for last war.


I had 19 wins and 12 losses. 9 of those losses were top 10. 2 more were top 15. So yes, a low win ratio is feasible. 175,000 was our highest point battle. 10 of our battles had over 100,000 points. You can get there a with a frenzy, no strips. How high has everyone else scored in a single battle without stripping? I'd like to know some upper limits.

[MiniMod]

175 is nothing if you have gem spenders. Even without stripping you can get much more than that with an active team.

[MacRicky]

So how does happening upon stripped GMs and farming them for massive points equate to doing things the hard way? Just because it wasn't planned in advance or during the battle? Alliance or not, you're benefitting from the stripping mechanic in the game. Yes, no one will likely fault you for farming the GM when they give the highest points, but don't trumpet it around if you say you do things the hard way.

We declare at a pace that the guild leadership sets, GREE picks our opponents, the opponents sets its on armors and leadership, we may be weaker or stronger then the stripped knight (if it was not stripped) thus may beat it eather way. Why would we fight any other way.

You seem to have a strange view of a fair fight. You might want to consider taking a course or two in ethics and logics.

PS: My knight is strong and i get less points hitting a stripper than i would if I beat a non stripper

[Rookeye]

Personally, no matter what universe I was in, I wouldn't want to utter the phrase, "I beat a stripper."

That just sounds all kinds of wrong. ;)

[B Legit]

I had 19 wins and 12 losses. 9 of those losses were top 10. 2 more were top 15. So yes, a low win ratio is feasible. 175,000 was our highest point battle. 10 of our battles had over 100,000 points. You can get there a with a frenzy, no strips. How high has everyone else scored in a single battle without stripping? I'd like to know some upper limits.

We have put up 400-500k in a single battle a couple times.
We have also had top 10's put up over 1 mil against us (Apoc War more than once).
Also seen a guild put up 900k and lose lol

[MacRicky]

Well a can not argue with that. Strippers of any kind are not my thing. ;)

[busteroaf]

We declare at a pace that the guild leadership sets, GREE picks our opponents, the opponents sets its on armors and leadership, we may be weaker or stronger then the stripped knight (if it was not stripped) thus may beat it eather way. Why would we fight any other way.

You seem to have a strange view of a fair fight. You might want to consider taking a course or two in ethics and logics.

PS: My knight is strong and i get less points hitting a stripper than i would if I beat a non stripper

First off, if your knights are weaker than a stripped opponent, you have crap knights.

I think you misunderstood what Minimod said. No one is faulting you for farming a stripped gm. If they forgot to change armors after a battle, then too bad for them. It was saying "doing things the hard way." Everyone knows the purpose of a strip fight is to guarantee that the people hitting said stripped knight, get wins, and in turn, points. If you are gemming, a strip battle also allows you to spend those gems faster. If you only used free energy, you can ensure that every hit gets you points. If you're taking your chances scouting for people that everyone can beat, that uses precious energy. So yeah, farming a stripped knight is the best use of free energy and gems, especially if speed is a factor.

The point is, if you are farming a stripped GM that you happen to just randomly find, good for you. But you are still taking advantage of stripping. If the GM actually has armors and they just happen to suck, and everyone on your team can farm them, well okay. But the second you mention that someone is stripped and you farm(ed) them, you're no better than any other alliance. If you truly wanted to do things the hard way, you'd find another knight to farm, especially since you, with your strong knight, gets more points for hitting a non-stripper than a stripped knight, according to you.

[MacRicky]

You guys are vary touchy about this topic. It was not my intention to debate alliance guilds over their clever work around the games rules. That is their right to so long as the rules allow. Rather I am trying to see how the teams that do not use the stripping tactic compare to each other.

If that gets your dander up so be it. I am here for the fun of gaming, not to get into a debate with with you over tactics. But stripping is not a tactic that is to my liking as i have said in an earlier post.

Lighten up and have fun. Who knows maybe you will meet my "crap knights" on the battle field and we can have a fair pvp unless you are stripped.

[Rhaegal]

Alliance and stripping is a tactic. Whether you're for or against, gree hasn't stopped it, until they do, it's a moot point.

Non alliance, non stripping guilds have a harder road because it does take more time and effort to beat a knight that has three armors up. Even if those armors are weaker than yours, it still takes more time to beat three knights than one knight.

Some would call it stupidity to put in that effort when you could just strip.

Others thrive on the competition of beating a strong, well armed opponent. The difference is the player that wants to hit a stripped opponent is in it for the war reward. Cause let's face it, hitting the same stripped opponent is monotonous and mind numbing after a while.

The guy that's hacking it out with equal or nearly equal competition is there for the game and the challenge and the reward is secondary.

Both are equally valid ways to play until gree says otherwise.

[MiniMod]

I think you're all off your rockers. If you tout doing things the hard way, and say stripping is not to your liking, but then say you'll take advantage of it, you're no better than the next guy. As others might say, you're a hypocrite. Or, to take a page out of the angry troll Busteroaf, you're an idiot.

[Dianish]

Stripping isnt fair.

If you want to perform and rank you must do as what the... The.. What are they called? Oh, ye.. The best ones :) (You know - Those who strip to get an advantage over the rest and get more points.. You know.. The BEST)

Stripping should be fixed as the big spenders gains another advantage over the others. If you are not apart of an alliance you will never rank. Which is quite lame as its all about how deep pockets one has.

Removing stripping would make it more fair to all. Though in the end: It still comes down to the deepest pockets. So.. Stripping or no stripping. Makes no difference - Except the big spenders just get a bit less points which the rest of us cant beat anyway.

I do not support stripping and want it gone - But as long as Gree loves the money they get from it... Only spenders will be heard and the rest will be ignored.

Why keep talking about stripping ? It just is what it is and you cant do anything about it. Leave the topic alone unless you are the lead Gree Developer with intentions of fixing it.

Its getting old...





Edit: Yes, sarcasm is somewhere in this post.

[BigBird4548]

Not sure how this topic got turned from one thing to another, kinda weird

[Rookeye]

Some of us do not find alliance tactics to our liking, so this topic is for those fighting guilds who stand tall on there own. Those who do not take a fall for anyone but earn their rank the hard way. :cool:

^ back to topic... ;)

[MiniMod]

^ back to topic... ;)

That is what started the stripping comments in the first place. Saying they did things the hard way, then later saying they farmed a stripped GM when then came upon him.

So you aren't in an alliance, and you don't have the option to try and pair up with someone (since alliance pairing isn't guaranteed). Did you want a cookie? Or a slow clap?
<slow clap> Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. </slow clap>

[BigBird4548]

I would love all the claps, Thank you very much. So get back on point in the discussion or just keep clapping.

[BigBird4548]

And I would like some sugar cookies too please

[busteroaf]

And I would like some sugar cookies too please

You don't have to title every post. Also, there is a thread around somewhere you can spam so you don't waste everyone's time while trying to get your post count up.

Oh wait, in true Gree fashion, they screwed that up too. They want people to engage in "useful conversation" and locked the thread. Idiots.

And it is on topic. For Minimod. At least he stopped asking about beans all the time.

[MiniMod]

I must have forgotten. Thanks Busteroaf.

Do you like beans?

[BigBird4548]

@busteroaf

I wasn't the one who started to get off topic here. I was answering a question from another poster, who btw, called my friend a hypocrite. I believe you are the one who cares more about how many posts you need to have on this forum. Addressing another point,if you are talking about true Gree Fashion, you have obviously followed the Gree rules by contributing useless information. And on top of that you tried to hurt my feelings....really.... I don't see anything useful in your post, so how is my post considered to be spamming and not yours???

[Rookeye]

*ahem*

BACK TO TOPIC!

"I do believe MY e-peen is bigger than yours!" *roll eyes* ;)


Serious question: What are the IOS Alliances? Which ones are non-stripping?

[busteroaf]

@busteroaf

I wasn't the one who started to get off topic here. I was answering a question from another poster, who btw, called my friend a hypocrite. I believe you are the one who cares more about how many posts you need to have on this forum. Addressing another point,if you are talking about true Gree Fashion, you have obviously followed the Gree rules by contributing useless information. And on top of that you tried to hurt my feelings....really.... I don't see anything useful in your post, so how is my post considered to be spamming and not yours???

Seriously? My post count has nothing to do with anything on here. I just happen to be one of the people who has been on the longest, almost a year and a half, thus my post count is where it is. But for arguments sake, take the person above me. Rookeye. Joined May 2014. Just under 3 months of forum time, and already over 60% of my post count. I'm clearly not posting as much as you think I am. Sorry Rookeye. Nothing personal, just using you as an example.

You also might want to re-read my post. I never tried to hurt your feelings. I was stating a fact. You don't have to title every post. It is essentially a useless addition to every thread. End of story.

If it was because I said you were trying to get your post count up, my apologies, but they had the makings of all the other people who join the forums and spam just to be able to start a thread about "why can't I ___?" or "join my guild ____". Neither of them were productive either. Especially the second post (you can edit posts btw, and not need to make multiple back to back posts, often another sign of a spammer) talking about sugar cookies.

[Marco_]

Stripping isnt fair.

What was the strategy before Android got rank bonusses? Find a weak AFK commander that still gave good points and farm the hell out of that commander. In other words scout the most stripped person and farm them... So it has always been finding best points for the lowest risk and then mindlessly farm them for the rest of the hour. 2 or 3 minutes of strategy-ish, 57-58 minutes of nearly the same as a stripped battle is.
From the start I've seen Gree's war setup as rather silly/stupid.

[busteroaf]

What was the strategy before Android got rank bonusses? Find a weak AFK commander that still gave good points and farm the hell out of that commander. In other words scout the most stripped person and farm them... So it has always been finding best points for the lowest risk and then mindlessly farm them for the rest of the hour. 2 or 3 minutes of strategy-ish, 57-58 minutes of nearly the same as a stripped battle is.
From the start I've seen Gree's war setup as rather silly/stupid.

Marco: One of the few remaining smart people on these forums.

Thank you.

What he said is/was right. Alliance or not, stripping guild or not, you essentially do the same thing. Stripping just allows it to be done faster and with a lower risk.

[Rookeye]

So the perceived argument is "how much stripping is good/allowed/makes you manly in the eyes of your friends"... ;)

[Penster]

Ok if I was more tech savvy I would make up a table with the guild name name and rank in the three types of War We could them see how we stand up over time.

BTW it is great fun when you get matched to a stripper Guild and find a GM stripper and not on line during the Battler Period many points :cool:

This is my first post here, so I am a newbie, but I found this topic interesting.

MacRicky: we fought you in the boost war. I am with MyLayla Black Cats. We are a non-alliance guild (have been in alliances before but we prefer being an independent). Our best finish in a regular war (3-day or 1-day) was our fifth place finish this boost war. In the raid boss wars, we finished third with the orc and fifth for the rat.

[MacRicky]

Penster we have had good/ fun competition with your guild. We also finish high to mid lvl in both the Orc and three day.

So it is possible to be competitive in this game as a non -alliance guild. Other comments not withstanding.

I been called an idiot, a hypocrite and other names on this topic but who cares.

Have fun fight hard

[southpaw29]

I belong to a T25 Alliance guild in Android....if we get a strip or fight someone that forgot to get dressed....I will smack him around like Godzilla does to fighter jets. In IOS I purposely joined a non alliance guild so I can gem if I want but its not required. But to be honest if I am in a war and I see stripped next to someones name I am going to use a gem to see whats up and if he/she is naked....Q GODZILLA!!!!!

Oh the IOS guild is the same guild as Rookeye.

[Rookeye]

I think I will take the Sun Tzu approach:

If the enemy does something stupid (like taking off his armor) and I come across him in an open field of battle, he's toast. Naturally, our players won't make that same mistake.

*waves at Southpaw* ;)

[White Knight]

freedom of speech. If he says its like a religion than by God he can say that.

[Smiley80]

I believe that is why the did raid bosses (still needs a bit of tweaking). Alliance or not alliance the top guilds remained the same.

Find a strategy within the rules that gives you the advantage (i.e. stripping). I scratch your back if you scratch my back. This game reflects society more that people would be ready to admit.

[B Legit]

I believe that is why the did raid bosses (still needs a bit of tweaking). Alliance or not alliance the top guilds remained the same.

Find a strategy within the rules that gives you the advantage (i.e. stripping). I scratch your back if you scratch my back. This game reflects society more that people would be ready to admit.

^^^^
+1 million

[legalious]

Find a strategy within the rules that gives you the advantage (i.e. stripping). I scratch your back if you scratch my back. This game reflects society more that people would be ready to admit.

We were fighting a high ranking guild and they had changed their names to all STRIP GM PLEASE. I doubt they would do the same.

[B Legit]

We were fighting a high ranking guild and they had changed their names to all STRIP GM PLEASE. I doubt they would do the same.

Now THAT is desperate. We will strip for allies/visa versa, however we will NEVER strip or ask an unknown or non allied guild to strip. Yes we get guilds ask us for strips alllll the time that we refuse.

I find it very funny when guilds who are outside the top 25 ask for strips. There is no real point when not going for the top.

[Rookeye]

I like the look of my bad-ass (or semi-bad-ass) armors...why would I want to change the view? ;)

[Rhaegal]

Looks like the stripping tactic may become less profitable from reading the release notes of the new game patch posted on Facebook.

I'm curious to see if that's how the new guild war points work.

[Rookeye]

Can't wait to see! There's a number of items on the patch notes that all look promising. Still waiting for the IOS release...

[GeneralUsa]

I am an Android player. One of the non-alliance (and no-armor-stripping rule) guilds I know is "Chivalry", at least that is what the GM ("Daedalus") told me a couple months ago through our 1:1 LINE chat. I have observed this guild over the last 6 months and noticed that they got to top-10 at least once and top-25 many times. Based on what I know, Chivalry is the strongest independent guild I happen to know. All of their members are definitely heavy gemmers.

Does anyone know any stronger Android guild than Chivalry?

[B Legit]

I am an Android player. One of the non-alliance (and no-armor-stripping rule) guilds I know is "Chivalry", at least that is what the GM ("Daedalus") told me a couple months ago through our 1:1 LINE chat. I have observed this guild over the last 6 months and noticed that they got to top-10 at least once and top-25 many times. Based on what I know, Chivalry is the strongest independent guild I happen to know. All of their members are definitely heavy gemmers.

Does anyone know any stronger Android guild than Chivalry?

They are no independent. Not stripping and being independent are very different. They are still a part of an alliance that they can pull people from allies for their runs. The non stripping is nice, although I am almost positive they do strip honestly.
The strongest true independent is The D, run by Tiffanee who commented here earlier I think it is safe to say.

Also, yes I am VERY curious to see the new update scoring system. I'm assuming opponent armor strength will now come it to play.

[DCE Blake]

hello knights!

DCE is looking for active members who love playing the game. we are very dedicated and active and are trying to climb up the ranks in every war! no gemming is required but of course some of us do gem. requirements for 3 day wars are a minimum of 40 fights (doesnt matter if its wins or loses), 12 fights for blitz, 500k points for raids. they are easily achievable without having to gem!
players over level 75 are preferred. however if you are under level 75, you still have a shot at joining!

contact me on the LINE app, my ID is fl_blake. do send me screenshots of your armors and profile so that i can see your player level. more info will also be given when you contact me. additionally, you can add me in the game, my friend code is WBF-HMH-NDV.

hope to see you in DCE!

[Rookeye]

Erm...congrats on your success; this is the wrong thread for a commercial, methinks. :p

Back to topic: Do you think Bethmo might be interested in tracking the results of top independent guilds if she had a list of them?

[SBBL Indigo]

MTF and Singapore Legends are the obvious ones. Both extremely impressive non-allied non-stripping guilds.

[B Legit]

MTF and Singapore Legends are the obvious ones. Both extremely impressive non-allied non-stripping guilds.

IOS I am assuming?

[SBBL Indigo]

IOS I am assuming?

Yep indeed