Death Knights Gone?

[Iron Man SH]

Anyone else notice that DK is gone. I searched guilds and nada. BondBeyondTime is still there. Did they get banned?

[Sol Invictus]

All their big gemmers from the guilds they fed off of up and left them high and dry. They can no longer maintain their dominance.

DK is done for.

[Big Jim 2014]

Can they change the name of the guild.

[BL(ACE)]

Some of their members are helping other Empire guilds for top runs, they are not gone. They are helping Bunch Of Jerks and just didn't make any top 10 run this Blitz war

[DK Zenith]

Hello fellow knights!

Let me go ahead and confirm that DK is definitely alive and well...

But I like that people continue to speak from a place of no actual knowledge.
We are indeed helping our Empire brothers and sisters in battle, for the glory of the whole family! DKE always has and always will choose an empire guild to host the top run. I guess you know who that is now ;)

DK Zenith

[Sol Invictus]

You guaranteeing DK at #1 next weekend?

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[Fossil]

Many things in life can be bought, but the things that matter you have to work for. Taken in that context, who really cares if they are in first next week?

[Fossil]

Oh wait, I forgot that glory thing. Really? Never mind..

[DK Zenith]

You guaranteeing DK at #1 next weekend?

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Lol Sol I love Jessica Walter!

All I guarantee is that we will continue to strive to do our best, no more and no less, as always!
We are still waiting for a legit challenge in a fair fight ;)

"How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars?"

[Fossil]

Lol Sol I love Jessica Walter!

All I guarantee is that we will continue to strive to do our best, no more and no less, as always!
We are still waiting for a legit challenge in a fair fight ;)

"How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars?"

Translation: We are waiting for someone to spend a lot of money to win a meaningless victory.

After the cheating scandal came to the surface, I do not see much validity to the term "fair fight". I seriously doubt that the circumstances that permitted those lopsided victories to exist have been fixed, or that new ones won't surface. The only reason the perps got caught is that they used the hack or whatever trick to an excess and provided irrefutable proof that forced GREE to take a stand. Given the thousands of people playing the game, I seriously doubt that GREE can police them all.

[DK Zenith]

Translation: We are waiting for someone to spend a lot of money to win a meaningless victory.

After the cheating scandal came to the surface, I do not see much validity to the term "fair fight". I seriously doubt that the circumstances that permitted those lopsided victories to exist have been fixed, or that new ones won't surface. The only reason the perps got caught is that they used the hack or whatever trick to an excess and provided irrefutable proof that forced GREE to take a stand. Given the thousands of people playing the game, I seriously doubt that GREE can police them all.



Wow, so much animosity...
Gree took a long time delivering rewards for the Raid because they were going through all their data logs with a fine-tooth comb to eliminate any possible breaches in the TOS. I think that they know it is in their best interest to be sure that all players are following the rules, as this is the only way we will continue to spend our money.
Whether everyone else believes it matters not to me, but the majority of people in KnD are legitimate, hard working players.

Just because we captain opposing ships doesn't mean we sail different seas.

This is just a game, and we stay for the social experience and the bonds we form with people all over the world.

The hatred aimed at DK and other top guilds is really nothing more than a waste of one's time and energy, but I understand that haters are always gonna hate. With that in mind, I wish you the best of luck!

[Sol Invictus]

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[Fossil]

Wow, so much animosity...
Gree took a long time delivering rewards for the Raid because they were going through all their data logs with a fine-tooth comb to eliminate any possible breaches in the TOS. I think that they know it is in their best interest to be sure that all players are following the rules, as this is the only way we will continue to spend our money.
Whether everyone else believes it matters not to me, but the majority of people in KnD are legitimate, hard working players.

Just because we captain opposing ships doesn't mean we sail different seas.

This is just a game, and we stay for the social experience and the bonds we form with people all over the world.

The hatred aimed at DK and other top guilds is really nothing more than a waste of one's time and energy, but I understand that haters are always gonna hate. With that in mind, I wish you the best of luck!

No animosity whatsoever, merely expressing a viewpoint which the facts of the matter support. I have always noticed in life that people who cannot raise a legitimate rationale in response to a comment always turn to the "hater" label.

[shadowshoot]

Just because we captain opposing ships doesn't mean we sail different seas.

This is just a game, and we stay for the social experience and the bonds we form with people all over the world.

The hatred aimed at DK and other top guilds is really nothing more than a waste of one's time and energy, but I understand that haters are always gonna hate. With that in mind, I wish you the best of luck!

Same sea ...
I still don't undestand why top10 guild don't put a good voice with gree (something like 10- Movement) and extend the epic+ prizes at the first 3 guilds. This way , in the future , maybe DK will have a oponent to do a REAL fair fight. Atm not even if some1 want to can't compete with Dk and not becouse of the money they spend but becouse of the diference in gear and no hope to face Dk "face to face". But wait , was already a discusion about this and DK was TOTALY against this tipe of ideea (if others will have epic+ what chances will DK have then?).
Is true , on 1 side are haters , on the other side is the obsesion of the "only ME" , with the rest of us trapped in the middle.

[Fossil]

Wow, so much animosity...
Gree took a long time delivering rewards for the Raid because they were going through all their data logs with a fine-tooth comb to eliminate any possible breaches in the TOS.

Ya know, I guess the fine tooth comb didn't extend to making sure the awards were correct, as I certainly did not receive the armor that was commiserate to my placement.

[DK Zenith]

No animosity whatsoever, merely expressing a viewpoint which the facts of the matter support. I have always noticed in life that people who cannot raise a legitimate rationale in response to a comment always turn to the "hater" label.


My apologies on my misunderstanding, Fossil. Think about it for a second though, what if you were in my shoes? It's easy to say these things from the outside looking in. I've heard it all.

"DK are cheaters and hackers and that's the only reason they win first place."
"DK doesn't pay for gems."
"DK works for Gree."

... and the list goes on and on.

The fact is that we are all normal people, just like you. When there is a legitimate point to debate, I will gladly open the logic vault and debate with you, in a friendly and respectful manner; I was always taught to respect others, regardless of a difference in opinion. Clearly as you can see on the forums and Facebook, very few people take the time to extend the same courtesy to me, or any member of DK.

People will do and say anything to denounce our characters even though we've never personally caused them any injury. I've seen everything from bogus claims to faked screenshots of conversations I most definitely did not have. So yes, I've accepted that haters are and always will be haters. I'm absolutely positive anyone else would come to the same conclusion, and it's not worth my time or energy to worry about these endless and insignificant lies.

If you'd like to open a discussion with me, feel free to! I'm a socialite and I'm always open to calm, logical conversation.

As to the rewards fiasco: be patient, as Gree has not completely corrected the rewards yet for many people. Keep your tickets open by replying to the automated emails. Don't give up, and know who you blame. It certainly isn't DK's fault the rewards were so messed up, we aren't responsible for that.

In regards to awarding first, second, and third place with epic+ armors, I don't believe that's fair for one very obvious reason: we don't award 3 gold medals per event at the Olympics. We don't have a first, second, and third president or queen or prime minister. There is no "first three" category in any competition. There is and always will be a reason first place exists, and that is for the top prize in every circumstance. This is the way it is in every single competition.

That is not to say that DK doesn't face challenging guilds. Rebels have given us a run for our money on more than one occasion, and I'm sure have the screenshots to prove it. Therefore the argument that no one can stand up to DK is completely false and invalid. Again, we are normal people, just like you.
Many of the latest chest epics have had stats comparable or better than the war epics, and you can win the plus versions just as easily as anyone else willing to spend the cash. It's luck of the draw, however, and the reason DK doesn't bother is because we like to compete and to us opening chests is about as dull as reading medical law. (Trust me on that one...)

Though I know this will not stop the onslaught, I certainly hope people take the time to understand that personal attacks and vindictive public posts are not going to do anything to improve the game, nor relations between people on an individual or community basis.

Which, lest you forget, we are a community. It's easy to spend our time flinging false accusations and dragging each other's names through the mud, but much more productive to spend our time working together to provide constructive feedback to Gree and actually trying to enjoy this game that we invest so much of ourselves into.

In all honestly, I hope I hear from some of you. Please feel free to pm me if you would like to establish a dialogue, I will answer your questions honestly as I have nothing to gain by dissembling. I'm always ready to make new friends! Be warned that I don't tolerate drama, and should you contact me with nefarious intent I won't bother to dignify you with a response. Bearing that in mind, I extend this invitation to all of you:

Please, feel free to actually talk to one of us. We don't bite ;)

DK Zenith
Death Knights GM

[DK Zenith]

Anyone else notice that DK is gone. I searched guilds and nada. BondBeyondTime is still there. Did they get banned?

To directly answer your question, as DK is currently set to "Invite Only" the guild itself is unsearchable.

[Rookeye]

I'm willing to bet DK is no more gone than Rainbow Party... :)

[Fossil]

Zenith, I have seen many comments from many people on this forum and can understand your feelings on the matter. My post was not pointed at an individual or group, only a mentality. As for normal, that is a word that is currently undefined but I am certain that you will not find my picture next to it....LOL!

[DK Boss]

All their big gemmers from the guilds they fed off of up and left them high and dry. They can no longer maintain their dominance.

DK is done for.

Love your posts.

[Fossil]

In regards to awarding first, second, and third place with epic+ armors, I don't believe that's fair for one very obvious reason: we don't award 3 gold medals per event at the Olympics. We don't have a first, second, and third president or queen or prime minister. There is no "first three" category in any competition. There is and always will be a reason first place exists, and that is for the top prize in every circumstance. This is the way it is in every single competition.

After careful review of your position and comparison to the current policies of little league baseball events everywhere, we must now conclude that having "places" is harmful to the greater public good and is therefore banished. Please turn in any and all epic+ armor and proceed directly to sensitivity training. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

[Rookeye]

Ha! ;)

I continue to support first, second and third place with their attendant prizes. Bring on excellence, heavy spending or both, but let's dispense with the ridiculous notion that cutting us all down to the same height somehow makes us all equal.

[Fossil]

Ain't that the truth. At the rate society is changing, we will be a third world country and this game will have to be excellence based as no one will be able to afford gems.

[shadowshoot]

In regards to awarding first, second, and third place with epic+ armors, I don't believe that's fair for one very obvious reason: we don't award 3 gold medals per event at the Olympics. We don't have a first, second, and third president or queen or prime minister. There is no "first three" category in any competition. There is and always will be a reason first place exists, and that is for the top prize in every circumstance. This is the way it is in every single competition.


Realy you don't give a real reason for why not to be epic+ on the first 3 top. Maybe i mistake , but i don't see any kingdom here , or u want to mantain king/queen status ? Also in sport , last time i look was the first 3 who get on the top pod (gold , silver , bronze) and the honour is very big for all 3 of them.
To give epic+ can only benefit to top guilds and first place competition can be stimulated in many ways not neccesary by a epic+ only. You can't came here and say that DK guild with a majority of 40 members full of epic+ have a oponent , a FAIR oponent. You offend us if you want to say so. At the actual status of the game and with the amount of guilds running hy is neccesary to do increase the amount of players willing to realy compete for top. Face the true , who go in top 10 already know they compete from 2 to 10 , is no chance , not even the small 1 to compete for first place. First place is of DK and if is not of Dk is of 1 of their subguilds filled with DK members and automaticaly same epics+ (so practicaly DK under another name).
I know Rebels was clouse some times , but i would ask Rebels or other aliances if they realy feel they compete for first place or if they have the knowledge from the start that they compete from 2 to 10.
The top 3 can share epic+ rewards with diferences for the extra component : 3- epic+ (and nothing else) ; 2- epic+ , 10 boost , 5 roses ; 1- epic+ , 25 boost , 15 roses , medal of the winner (like the medal in raid boss to steal the ideea).
This is only a example but do you realize haw competition will increase ? haw top guilds will struglle to stay in that top3 ? Imagine only haw enjoyable the fight will become.
I undestand that DK will never accept this , becouse this will mean a big risk for DK empire . Other aliances will fight hard to stay in that top and with time is the risk that the king will loose his crown. Dk , naturaly can't accept this risk and can't accept to give the others a chance to became strong like they are.
I am wrong DK Zenith ? Can you afford to take that risk ?

P.S. all top players are big gemmers and hy level guilds members and since the discusion is open i intend this post for all top guilds/players , not only for DK guild , maybe is time to speack out and stop hiding in PM's and cloused top meetings. Leave that damn politic on one side and speack out for the benefit of all of us not only of your self.

[DK Zenith]

Well Shadowshoot, ask our Rebel and COAL counterparts for their knights, and you will see epic+.

Can DK afford to take the risk? Um, DK doesn't control what prizes come out of the chests... so yes. I think so.

[Fossil]

Shadowshoot, all it takes it money to be in first. It is that way in every sport in the world and unfortunately the mentality has extended to gaming. GREE could change the bases upon which the game functions, but then the income from the game will be diminished. I believe the "Raid" concept was a compromise intended to satisfy certain requests to change the status quo while attempting to maintain the cash flow. The fact that cash is king with GREE should never be doubted as shown by the less than generous compensation they offer when you get screwed over by the game.

[Sol Invictus]

Love your posts.

Thanks dad

[tommy1]

Lol this post is hilarious. Who cares if dk is alive or dead. Knd is dead anyway they can keep spending rediculous amounts of money on an outdated and boring game doesn't hurt me at all. Keep it up dk and thank you for ruining knd for most of the community.

[Rookeye]

Ruining it how? How does their influx of cash hurt the game? An underfunded game gets dropped by a game company. I know I don't put in enough cash to keep this sucker moving, do you?

Thanks DK and Rebel and Rainbow and Team Unicorn for funding the party! ;)

[greenwing]

Also in sport , last time i look was the first 3 who get on the top pod (gold , silver , bronze) and the honour is very big for all 3 of them.

So you mean Argentina is very happy now they reached second place and feel just as good as the Germans ? :D Not to mention the Dutch who came third..... I'm sorry but no, your point does not make sense. First place is and always will be the best place to be. You can argue that second (and even third) should get a better price (difference between normal and plus is pretty major), but first price should always be the best.

[shadowshoot]

Well Shadowshoot, ask our Rebel and COAL counterparts for their knights, and you will see epic+.

Can DK afford to take the risk? Um, DK doesn't control what prizes come out of the chests... so yes. I think so.

You are right , chest prizes are not controled and the % is what it is. But Dk empire , Rebels , COAL , ecc are top10 and control it. DK , in colaboration with other aliances (colaboration we know already exist) , can control the prizes for top10. Every1 see the improovement that was done when epic came to top25. The chalenge and the gameplay increased. The same u guys can do for top 10 and increase top gameplay and chalenge. You just don't want it. DK don't want it. When the proposal to put epic+ in top3 was done only DK was totaly in contrary. Was DK who sayed NO ! So we need to undestand that you can't afford to take the risk. You are affraid of loosing your status of #1 guild/aliance. You speack about "fair competition" , i wonder what u mean by fair ? The past events (maj fall events , furry , ecc , i am sure u know what i mean) show us that we have diferent view about "fair".
The improovement of epic+ prizes can only benefit top10 gameplay , for us and for gree too. Rebels , DK , COAL , the new Wankers , all of us gem spender support and keep alive this game becouse we put time and money and we have fun (at least for me was ,still is , a lot of fun). DK have a big pool of players geared with epic+ and is this who make them unbeateable , not the money they spend becouse in Rebels and COAL are players who spend the same amount of money. Is enaf to look in battle log when we meat a DK main guild in battle to see haw good geared HC loose against DK comanders. Why? Becouse the difference betwin epic and epic+ is abisal.

Again i would like to hear the opinion of a outside DK aliance. Would be constructive to hear what aliances think about this , not only DK. What Rebels , COAL or wankers think about this ?

P.S. DK Zenith at least don't speack about "legit challenge in a fair fight" you can better speack about " challenge our legit guns with your fair knifes" :cool: (see , i fix that for u)

[Fossil]

The problem with the game is not DK, Rebel, or any other alliance. The blame sits squarely on the shoulders of GREE. They have the power to change the game and the circumstances that make the dominance of the top guilds possible, but as long as money is the prime directive (remember that GREE is a business with employees to pay) there is no incentive for them to slash their own wrist.

I personally do not care for strip battles. Ironically, strip battles negate the very purpose of the armor that you are fighting for. and the dominance of the top guilds would not be possible with out strip battles and alliances. Zenith used the word "glory" in an earlier posting to the thread and I about choked. Glory is not achieved by spending money to be #1 in a video game. However, I have become used to the over the top bravado utilize by many in this game. Though they are only leading people in a video game, they still have to play to the crowd.

Even if you had the epic+ armors, you would not be successful at cracking top 25 in this game without much money. This is a fact and your insistence that the prize system be revised is for naught. The bottom line of the whole thing is that whether you are winning armor in a war or getting it from a chest, you are still paying for it. Nothing is free in this game. If you like the game, keep playing and don't worry about the top 25. If it bothers you that much, it is probably better to hang it up. If the game income drops substantially from frustrated people saying "enough", GREE will either change the game or close it down.

[Yongsan]

You are right , chest prizes are not controled and the % is what it is. But Dk empire , Rebels , COAL , ecc are top10 and control it. DK , in colaboration with other aliances (colaboration we know already exist) , can control the prizes for top10. Every1 see the improovement that was done when epic came to top25. The chalenge and the gameplay increased. The same u guys can do for top 10 and increase top gameplay and chalenge. You just don't want it. DK don't want it. When the proposal to put epic+ in top3 was done only DK was totaly in contrary. Was DK who sayed NO ! So we need to undestand that you can't afford to take the risk. You are affraid of loosing your status of #1 guild/aliance. You speack about "fair competition" , i wonder what u mean by fair ? The past events (maj fall events , furry , ecc , i am sure u know what i mean) show us that we have diferent view about "fair".
The improovement of epic+ prizes can only benefit top10 gameplay , for us and for gree too. Rebels , DK , COAL , the new Wankers , all of us gem spender support and keep alive this game becouse we put time and money and we have fun (at least for me was ,still is , a lot of fun). DK have a big pool of players geared with epic+ and is this who make them unbeateable , not the money they spend becouse in Rebels and COAL are players who spend the same amount of money. Is enaf to look in battle log when we meat a DK main guild in battle to see haw good geared HC loose against DK comanders. Why? Becouse the difference betwin epic and epic+ is abisal.

Again i would like to hear the opinion of a outside DK aliance. Would be constructive to hear what aliances think about this , not only DK. What Rebels , COAL or wankers think about this ?

P.S. DK Zenith at least don't speack about "legit challenge in a fair fight" you can better speack about " challenge our legit guns with your fair knifes" :cool: (see , i fix that for u)

showdowshoot, why the heck would you want to place #1 when you could get the same prize for placing 2nd or 3rd? That is absolute nonsense. Why should 2nd or 3rd be getting the plus version? That should be a unique prize reserved for First Place. I'm not an Android player but if you were a gold medalist would you want 2nd and 3rd place getting the same gold medal? Absolutely not.

Also, last I checked strength matters. It's just simply your definition of a 'Good-Geared' HC is not as strong as a regular DK member. They are #1 for a reason. They earned their armor through hours of warring and winners come in with the mentality of win at all costs and that's why they win. You say others spend the same amount of money. How are you able to verify this?

I wasn't going to comment since I was an iOS player but I had issue with how you think there could be 3 guilds who earn the top prize in GW. That is nonsense.

[DK Zenith]

Shadowshoot,
It isn't about the rarity of the armor. You can take down an epic plus with the right legendary armor, it's about element matching regardless of your opponent's strength. When I first got to the top 10, my armors were absolute crap. I was using epic boss armors to farm my opponents. I put up 689k war points in my first 3 day war as a commander farming other commanders. I spent hours upon hours poking away at my phone. I made it from a top 2500 guild to GM of DK in 4 months because of hard work and tenacity, not by complaining about not having epic plus armors.

Because I know very well what it takes to make it here, your complaints sound like excuses as to why you aren't better at this game. Therefore, it falls on deaf ears; I have no sympathy because I've been without epics and still made it here.

There is no good reason you can't do the same. Only first place gets the gold, same way it was for me and everyone else. THAT, my friend, is fair.


Fossil, I use the word glory because I am enthusiastic about this game and I'm such a nerd, so help me God I actually use words like "glory in battle" and "smite my enemies." I play D&D and I use these phrases to increase the spirit of competition and fun, not to gloat. I can't help it, I'm kind of a geek ^_^

[DK Zenith]

Besides, if you wait long enough you can spend 5k gems during gem events to earn old war epic plus armors... which is less than the people in DK spent on them at the time.

[shadowshoot]

I am sorry DK Zenith but obviously you didn't became a Dk member using low gear and more obvious u never realy fight against a guils full of epics+. I will drop this discusion becouse is clear the line that DK keep. About spending 5k gems in a war for a epic+ we bouth know is not true. The most "expensive" wars was to around of 1mil for member. I don't doubt that was a small amount in DK who spend 5k but not all the guild. Do the math and show me i am wrong. Yes , the gemmatons are good ways to get epic+ , unfortunately , haw u say , gree give old epics+ . About chests is better to avoid to speack.
I had the unluck to know some DK members in the past and i am stuck with my feeling that Dk didn't change a bit.

[Arcane Haven]

The only good way to come out ahead on the old war Epic+ armors is if you buy the 40 pack of chests while the gem event is out. Ive bought many of those and left empty handed. I bought 5k worth of them at 999 each and wasnt lucky enought to receive an epic from any of them. The only positive was the fact that i had plenty of armors for fusion/enhancement.

[DK Zenith]

I am sorry DK Zenith but obviously you didn't became a Dk member using low gear and more obvious u never realy fight against a guils full of epics+. I will drop this discusion becouse is clear the line that DK keep. About spending 5k gems in a war for a epic+ we bouth know is not true. The most "expensive" wars was to around of 1mil for member. I don't doubt that was a small amount in DK who spend 5k but not all the guild. Do the math and show me i am wrong. Yes , the gemmatons are good ways to get epic+ , unfortunately , haw u say , gree give old epics+ . About chests is better to avoid to speack.
I had the unluck to know some DK members in the past and i am stuck with my feeling that Dk didn't change a bit.



Shadowshoot, pm me on LINE and I will show you me SS that I applied to BBT with. I can prove it. Don't come on a public forum and call me a liar, because I can and will back up what I say. aubreezenith is my LINE id. I'm not shy. I didn't even have epic boss plus armors, only regular and three outdated epics, also regular versions.

Go ahead, ask around. While you're at it, go ahead and ask some DK members how many gems they spend each war.

I'll wait.







The bottom line is that anybody, even you Shadowshoot, can come to DK with enough hard work and money. All it sounds like to me is that you don't want to do what it takes to make it. I assure you, every single one of us started out at level one with a basic fire armor, just like you.

I've had the misfortune of talking to many closed minded people myself, and unless they decide to do better for themselves, they will never change.

[BlackM@mba]

I have come across situations where DK has shown bad sportsmanship in a sense that they like to rub their dominance in others faces. DK over dominates every armor war by the millions even when it is unecessary and they have already won. Cheating, hacking, spending insane amounts of money? Has to be one or the other because hard work doesn't get you that many points. Not everyone has thousands to spend on the game and I find the over dominance distasteful. DK takes a lot of fun out of the game but I am a rebel and enjoy the game regardless. Will I ever get a war epic+? Probably not because only DK gets them ( that's got to get boring ) but as long as I play this game I will fight for the rebels. I believe DK doesn't fight fair. You can call me a hater all you want. Not trying to upset anyone but that is how I feel about it.

[DK Boss]

I have come across situations where DK has shown bad sportsmanship in a sense that they like to rub their dominance in others faces. DK over dominates every armor war by the millions even when it is unnecessary and they have already won. Cheating, hacking, spending insane amounts of money? Has to be one or the other because hard work doesn't get you that many points. Not everyone has thousands to spend on the game and I find the over dominance distasteful. DK takes a lot of fun out of the game but I am a rebel and enjoy the game regardless. Will I ever get a war epic+? Probably not because only DK gets them ( that's got to get boring ) but as long as I play this game I will fight for the rebels. I believe DK doesn't fight fair. You can call me a hater all you want. Not trying to upset anyone but that is how I feel about it.

Everyone thinks DK cheats even when we've seen 11 OTB members get banned for cheating we still only hear about DK cheating why? Because we always come first? Come on. When i first started KnD i was in a low end guild finishing 500-700 place and i looked at the leaders and DK had massive amounts of point and like anyone who is normal you wonder how its possible. but after proving myself in BBT and joining DK and knowing how it all works and the hours of organization that goes into being number you start to understand how its possible. Frankly, hearing and seeing people always saying DK cheats DK hacks is getting old if that was the case we wouldn't have any members left because they would all be banned.

And yes we spend an insane amount of money on this game to be number one screenshots of 5k gems or higher are required. we have at least 8 members including myself who can do over a million points in a 3 day war everyone in a top 10 guild will have minimum scores to meet but just because someone wants to go crazy and spend 8k gems on a single war and get 1 mill or higher doesn't mean they are cheating.

Like Zenith said ANYONE in knd can become a DK member (if they want) but just like everyone who is in DK needs to prove themselves first. I'm sure a guild like War Inc doesn't just say yeah come straight in its ok if you do 10k points....just like any other top 10 guild they would have procedures in place to get the best.

The constant bickering on what is just a game is astonishing, and some of the screen shots I've seen on line with people pretending to be others and spreading rumors is childish. I don't have a problem with any rebel members competition is good and my hat goes off to anyone who wants a challenge. What people from the outside of Rebels or Empire don't understand or see is the hard work people go through to get these wars organized and coordinated. After joining DK did i realize the effort and personal time it takes to win these wars.

We can't please everyone we are human and its not possible but most of us in the top 10 guilds are adults and need to start acting like it, the insults and bickering need to stop because it only embarrasses the one doing it.

Like Zenith said if anyone in the KnD community has questions they would like answered contact us on line.

[DK Boss]

Thanks dad

You're welcome Son, dinner at 7

[Rookeye]

;) ;) ;)

Can I have front row seats? I'll bring my own napkins...

[balthysar]

Will I ever get a war epic+? Probably not because only DK gets them

You should ask DK how they like their Horde Wargear+

[BlackM@mba]

Everyone thinks DK cheats even when we've seen 11 OTB members get banned for cheating we still only hear about DK cheating why? Because we always come first? Come on.......... Frankly, hearing and seeing people always saying DK cheats DK hacks is getting old if that was the case we wouldn't have any members left because they would all be banned.

From my understanding 3 players from DK were banned during the raid boss. If that is not the case then how do you explain the drop in points? I am not saying everyone in DK is corrupt. I feel other guilds have suffered much worse consequences for their corrupt actions because they are in guilds that don't make GREE nearly as much money as DK. As for OTB, I think it was just a little to obvious they were cheating. And it is really up to each individual how much money they want to spend in the game. I personally feel more accomplished putting time and effort in opposed to massive amounts of money (money that I don't feel is being put back into the game) but that's just me. This really is a game for rich people and hackers and that's just how it is. That won't make me stop playing it as long as it entertains me but the over domination of DK is just ridiculous in my opinion and I would love to see someone beat them without hacking.

[BlackM@mba]

I am curious to know why OTB left the Empire alliance in the first place.

[Fossil]

From my understanding 3 players from DK were banned during the raid boss.

Zenith, is this true?

[Rookeye]

Isn't it forbidden to discuss bans and the reasons behind them? *goes to re-read the TOS*

[Fossil]

Rookeye, as Zenith originally raised the issue, is there some point in your post?

[Rookeye]

Zenith originally raised the point of three particular cheaters in DK? Gee, I must have missed that... :rolleyes:

I responded to the post above mine. As you did. Poster's prerogative. What I'm not missing is the open hostility to various groups and players. Currently, I see no call for it. If you do, there's a handy report button.

[Sol Invictus]

Both DK and OTB (a high level DK ally, up until just before the Raid Boss) both experienced losses during the banwave.

This does not mean that the leadership of each guild knew or condoned the cheating, but it does indicate that these people were not first-time cheaters.

[Fossil]

Zenith originally raised the point of three particular cheaters in DK? Gee, I must have missed that... :rolleyes:

I responded to the post above mine. As you did. Poster's prerogative. What I'm not missing is the open hostility to various groups and players. Currently, I see no call for it. If you do, there's a handy report button.

No, Zenith raised the point concerning the OTB players just in case you missed it. There is no open hostility on my part, only facts and questions. Are you the self appointed guardian of right and wrong?

[Rookeye]

Not at all. But I do appreciate the finer points of social niceties. I will re-read the first post. But unless the OP was slamming OTB and calling them out (with specifics) on cheating, I do believe the first question was "Are the Death Knights gone"? To which the answer seems to be.... "No." :)

[Fossil]

Not at all. But I do appreciate the finer points of social niceties. I will re-read the first post. But unless the OP was slamming OTB and calling them out (with specifics) on cheating, I do believe the first question was "Are the Death Knights gone"? To which the answer seems to be.... "No." :)

I am sorry, but your post makes no sense as written. The first question was answered long ago and the topic was expanded upon by the person providing the answer. In recent posts, Zenith has pointed a finger at 11 members of OTB being banned for cheating, and another poster questioned whether the insinuation may be hypocrisy if indeed DK members suffered the same fate. Are you with me so far?

Correction: It was DK Boss, not Zenith that made the statement. My apologies for the incorrect statement

[Rookeye]

Since I don't have a dog in the fight, I have refused to entertain the notion--short of a public post from GREE--that OTB was cheating, though I have heard a rumor they had one massively overclocked player who was banned. *shrug*

I know that individuals can cheat, and GREE does not provide Guild leaders with the tools to deal with suspected cheaters once a war begins, other than reporting them...which would be a private, not public matter. That said,

If you are saying the latest descent on this thread into "he said she said" was merely "pot calling kettle", I ask again if the forum rules permit us to level charges of cheating against each other?


P.S. I like certain individuals in both DK and OTB camps. They know who they are. I am not taking sides on this.

[DGO Aphrodite]

Zenith, Glad you could respond and some actually grasp a concept other than the same repetitive ones we face daily as part of the empire. You're well spoken and I hope this reply from you settles some of the turmoil thats been about.
<3 Hera

[shadowshoot]

Shadowshoot, pm me on LINE and I will show you me SS that I applied to BBT with. I can prove it. Don't come on a public forum and call me a liar, because I can and will back up what I say. aubreezenith is my LINE id. I'm not shy. I didn't even have epic boss plus armors, only regular and three outdated epics, also regular versions.

Go ahead, ask around. While you're at it, go ahead and ask some DK members how many gems they spend each war.

I'll wait.







The bottom line is that anybody, even you Shadowshoot, can come to DK with enough hard work and money. All it sounds like to me is that you don't want to do what it takes to make it. I assure you, every single one of us started out at level one with a basic fire armor, just like you.

I've had the misfortune of talking to many closed minded people myself, and unless they decide to do better for themselves, they will never change.

DK Zenith , personaly i don't have anything against DK members or better to say , agaist the people bihind the players in DK guild. I don't hate them , i don't love them (lol). But let me explain myself better. I am the wife of a ex Maj at the time when they was first in top. He stop playing when DK detroned Maj and maybe you are too young in game (4month , maybe u don't know what happen , ask elder members) to know what DK did for the big fall of the MAJ. I play KnD from first of the wars and i know the history of the top 10 guilds/aliances. NEVER and NEVER i will play for DK empire and especialy for DK guild. I had the unluck to "chat" with axeo and zeus (d***heads , if they feel offended they can look in a mirror). Since now DK give proove of a heavy unfair play. Also i can tell you at the time of Maj was already some discusions in 10 guilds to ask gree for epic+ in top3. Guess when this discusions falldown ? When DK did what he did to Maj. I hope you undestand why most of players have hard feeling against DK guild. Is very probably some of you work very hard to get where you get but NOT ALL OF YOU. Why on all bans was hit DK empire and NOT other aliances ? Why we never heard about this on other aliances ? Ask yourself if your hard work is worthing the name you have. Me personaly i prefer to spend 5k gems with my friends , in my guild , even if all the others will be f2p mates (something that i even did some time ago ask in Kaiju Killers).
Is well known DK is a selfpushing guild , or at least was since now , and DK moto is : "the aim forgive the harm".
I have no doubts that DK have some very nice members/people inside and they have all my respect , but i feel sorry for them becouse they have to face the bad name some others of their mates give to them. Personaly when i hear some1 saying "I am a Dk" i evaluate 50% very hard player and 50% probably cheater or a poor rich idiot with no moral/fair sense (Montgomery Burns) ...50/50 hard evaluation better stay far of this guy.
Many work hard on this game , and you top10 players , 5*players , ould be the first to try and work toghether for the improovement of this game , for his balance , for his FUN and the pleasure of playing it. You , DK Zenith , the Gm of the top guild and first voice inside the empire since now you just proove to be the closed minded one becouse u did only for yourself.

P.S. War points are matematicaly calculated and 5k gems give a certain amount of points , who , if we do a total for guild don't reflect the total points DK did , exception for a couple of wars when Rebels was very clouse to you. So no , Dk members don't spend more of 5k gems for every epic+ in a war. I can calculate a media of 3500 gems to 4000 gems , but not more. What you spend outside the war is something diferent and you can't came to tell us the for every epic+ you get in a war Dk members spend more of 5k gems. Is here where i say you lie saying Dk spend more of 5k on a epic+ in wars. Also u didn't get in DK with no epics , you get in a subguild of DK and when u had enaf hy gears u get in DK. Tell the things haw they are.


I am sorry DK Zenith but obviously you didn't became a Dk member using low gear and more obvious u never realy fight against a guils full of epics+. I will drop this discusion becouse is clear the line that DK keep. About spending 5k gems in a war for a epic+ we bouth know is not true. The most "expensive" wars was to around of 1mil for member. I don't doubt that was a small amount in DK who spend 5k but not all the guild. Do the math and show me i am wrong. Yes , the gemmatons are good ways to get epic+ , unfortunately , haw u say , gree give old epics+ . About chests is better to avoid to speack.
I had the unluck to know some DK members in the past and i am stuck with my feeling that Dk didn't change a bit.

P.S.2. Read again please. You never fight a guild full of epic+ to see a legendary+ will never beat a epic+ indiferent of the elements advantage , the diference is too abisal. Even brand new epics with element advantage have problems on beating epic+ , 1 miss and you are doomed with all your elements advantage. I speack from experience here , obvious you miss that experience in your fast rise up. Do a test , or ask some of your sub to test this next war. I know what i say.

[busteroaf]

It still humors me that people get so worked up about one guild either coming or going. And how those not involved in the guild know more than the people in it do... until of course those associated with said guild respond. Same with banned players. Magically everyone knows everyone who was banned. And surely that person was ALWAYS in the guild in question when the ban happened. They started the game and were instantly in the guild. They never came from another guild or could have been doing whatever bannable offense in a different guild. And its not the player themselves that did the act, it was the whole guild. A guild of people who likely will never meet outside of the game except for in a revolving chat room. Yes. Because every person in the guild can verify with 100% accuracy that someone they really don't know, isn't cheating.

Or the "not fair" argument, wanting rewards to be the same for Top 3... unlike kids sports where everyone gets that fun participation ribbon because heaven forbid a child is made to feel like anything less than a winner, PERFECTLY setting said child up for failure when they get into the real world and still have that same sense of entitlement... some people in this world actually understand that there are clear winners and losers. And a 2nd place, and 3rd place. And all three are DIFFERENT. Sure, the top 3 shares the podium, but 1st place stands taller, and sports a GOLD medal, not goldsilverbronze medal.

But then its not fair... well, gosh. How will the 4-10 guilds ever compete if now Top 3 get the Epic+? Won't that make it more tiered? I know, lets give top 10 Epic+. Now its fair for everyone in the Top 10. Wait... what about 11-25 now? Frick.

Idiots continue running this place. Your stupidity fuels me.

[Rookeye]

Thanks, Busteroaf. Well said. :)

[Fossil]

Thanks, Busteroaf. Well said. :)


Aren't you going to remind him about the rules concerning derogatory comments.......? lol!

[shadowshoot]

Thank you for trying to iluminate me , King :-) i learn to ignore you time ago but thank you for trying anyhaw.

[B Legit]

Thank you for trying to iluminate me , King :-) i learn to ignore you time ago but thank you for trying anyhaw.

First of all, he wan't illuminating you. You're name was never mentioned, and he did not quote you. It was a response to everyone on here.

His reply was extremely well thought out and accurate. Every point he raised was valid and he actually summarized what others are saying quite nicely. Now I find it funny that when people come at you with facts (he did not even attack you or criticize you) you tell him he's being a big bully and you'll just ignore him.

Every Top guild has certain measures you have to do before entering, just as every top job and every top sports team does. This is not something only DK does, so far they have just been able to do it better than others.


Now I WILL criticize, so far all of your arguments (rants) are basically nonsensical, non fact based, and extremely poorly written. Now I realize english may not be your first language, so I'll give you a pass there. But everything else just sounds like a whiny little toddler who's friend got a cool toy that you didn't.

[shadowshoot]

First of all, he wan't illuminating you. You're name was never mentioned, and he did not quote you. It was a response to everyone on here.

His reply was extremely well thought out and accurate. Every point he raised was valid and he actually summarized what others are saying quite nicely. Now I find it funny that when people come at you with facts (he did not even attack you or criticize you) you tell him he's being a big bully and you'll just ignore him.

Every Top guild has certain measures you have to do before entering, just as every top job and every top sports team does. This is not something only DK does, so far they have just been able to do it better than others.

Now I WILL criticize, so far all of your arguments (rants) are basically nonsensical, non fact based, and extremely poorly written. Now I realize english may not be your first language, so I'll give you a pass there. But everything else just sounds like a whiny little toddler who's friend got a cool toy that you didn't.

I say "thank you" to him for the accurate post and the facts well put in it. I see he didn't personaly atacked me and was a general post. I learn to ignore him when he was bulling and personaly atacking people so now he pay his reputation , his acc was not banned for nothing at the time.

About my arguments "non fact based" i don't think this is the right place to bring arguments and proove about DK unfair sportmanship ( line ss about Furyans events , Dk inside conversations , Maj big fall events , ecc). Is a status of facts that most top players know how Dk act in the past and this bring to them the bad name they have. Not beeing in first place but haw they obtain and keep that place. I hope this tipe of comportaments will change but i have big doubts.
My arguments in this point are fact based.

About the epics+ in top3 was a ideea rised a year ago , more or less , when the Maj was on the top and was discussed for 2 or 3 weeks until the big fall events. Was rised again around 6,7 months ago. And i bring it back again now. From what i know the porpuse of this ideea was to increase the amount of players with very good gears so in consecquence to smooth the abisal diference betwin top1 guild and the rest.
If this was a good ideea or a bad ideea is at the personal evaluation of everyone. Anyone is capable to criticize , is so easy and naturaly have a "political" comodity on doing so. At the moment i don't see no competition for first place. The real competition start from 2nd place in down. Is a fact that DK have all the interess to mantain this status quo.

P.S. B legit , u can organize with DK Zenith and put your TU face to face with DK ( no strip naturaly) and do with them a heavy gemming competitive "fair" battle , post some ss after and let us know how hard u get beated (gems will not help u vs DK indiferent haw many u will have)

[MiniMod]

I say "thank you" to him for the accurate post and the facts well put in it. I see he didn't personaly atacked me and was a general post. I learn to ignore him when he was bulling and personaly atacking people so now he pay his reputation , his acc was not banned for nothing at the time.

Um... bullying and personally attacking? Isn't that what half of forums are? The rest is trolling. To me it seems like Buster is just an angry soul. I don't think he ever really attacked people. Just called them stupid A LOT. He never bullied anyone by threatening to come to someone's house and shoot them. He's just a mean old cuss. Maybe offer to hug it out? Maybe he'll be nice.


About my arguments "non fact based" i don't think this is the right place to bring arguments and proove about DK unfair sportmanship ( line ss about Furyans events , Dk inside conversations , Maj big fall events , ecc). Is a status of facts that most top players know how Dk act in the past and this bring to them the bad name they have. Not beeing in first place but haw they obtain and keep that place. I hope this tipe of comportaments will change but i have big doubts.
My arguments in this point are fact based.

"Is a status of facts that most top players know" I don't know what happened. Of course, I'm not a top player, but if the top players know about it, it becomes fact? Awesome. I've been wrong about facts my whole life. How do I become a top player so I can make facts? Also, if you're talking about the downfall of guilds, and sabotage and insider info... this isn't some court where you are judged guilty and you have concrete evidence. Its a game with screen shots and 100 person Line conversations. Very little in the way of concrete proof. I think saying it is fact based is a little off, maybe? Possibly?


About the epics+ in top3 was a ideea rised a year ago , more or less , when the Maj was on the top and was discussed for 2 or 3 weeks until the big fall events. Was rised again around 6,7 months ago. And i bring it back again now. From what i know the porpuse of this ideea was to increase the amount of players with very good gears so in consecquence to smooth the abisal diference betwin top1 guild and the rest.
If this was a good ideea or a bad ideea is at the personal evaluation of everyone. Anyone is capable to criticize , is so easy and naturaly have a "political" comodity on doing so. At the moment i don't see no competition for first place. The real competition start from 2nd place in down. Is a fact that DK have all the interess to mantain this status quo.


Its a fact DK wants to maintain status quo. Duh. If they are the top team, why would they want to just give it up willingly? That makes no sense whatsoever. If you can stay #1, why wouldn't you?

Also, maybe its the broken english, but I didn't read


Thank you for trying to iluminate me , King :-) i learn to ignore you time ago but thank you for trying anyhaw.

as you actually thanking him. To me, that reads like more of a backhanded compliment. Especially throwing "king" in there.

[busteroaf]

Um... bullying and personally attacking? Isn't that what half of forums are? The rest is trolling. To me it seems like Buster is just an angry soul. I don't think he ever really attacked people. Just called them stupid A LOT. He never bullied anyone by threatening to come to someone's house and shoot them. He's just a mean old cuss. Maybe offer to hug it out? Maybe he'll be nice.

Oh you're cute. No, I'm not angry, I'm just smarter than everyone. At least that is how it seems. See, that wasn't a personal attack. I just said I was smart. I didn't call anyone stupid. Oh wait... I guess I kind of did. Damn.

For the rest of you:

Shadow... if you're so smart, and fact based, could you at least try to send your stuff through an English based spell check? It becomes a little difficult to read at times, and I waste time trying to phonetically sound out everything I'm reading. Plus, when I try to quote you, I see a lot of red pop up, and that just makes me angry. That would be a huge help. Thanks. Also, if you know me so well, you know I'm anti everything related to that K word. I never use it. Please do not associate me with those idiots.

B Legit, don't know you, but thanks for the mini-backup. /brofist

[DK Zenith]

Both DK and OTB (a high level DK ally, up until just before the Raid Boss) both experienced losses during the banwave.

This does not mean that the leadership of each guild knew or condoned the cheating, but it does indicate that these people were not first-time cheaters.



Very well said Sol.

Regarding alleged "cheating":
GREE is in charge of providing a fair game-play experience to everyone who plays this game. It is THEIR prerogative, nobody else's, to point fingers. When GREE falls short, it will move to Funzio and Google.
When we started gathering evidence, we gave it to GREE, not public forums. Consider that for a second. People on the forums are NOT judge, jury, and executioner, yet I see many of you behaving as though you have that right.


It doesn't matter what I say on here, because people will come up with their own ideas regardless. You want me to waste my time explaining something that you're just going to disregard anyway, so all I'm willing to say on the subject of bans is this:

All players from all guilds have the chance to appeal their bans, and that's exactly what those who claim legitimacy should do and are doing.



Wow, I take one day off from posting on the forums and you guys blow up Facebook like I don't have a life and should be at your beck and call. I work 12-14 hour shifts and on top of that take care of my elderly grandmother and disabled mother. I won't be posting on the forums every day. But there is another way to get a hold of me if you feel that it is urgent:

I've already posted my LINE ID (aubreezenith for those of you that missed it), if you're dying to talk to me, you know how I assume. Several of you have messaged me already and can vouch for the fact that I will, in fact, respond to you and answer your questions. It might not be immediate (see above) but I will always make an effort to speak to anyone.


Regarding DK: I grow tired of repeating myself. DK plays to win. DK dedicates a lot of time and money to make this happen. Again, I say, if you don't believe it, COME SEE FOR YOURSELF.

There is no better proof than what you can see for yourself.

If you refuse, don't be surprised that I ignore your repetitious, droll accusations and derogatory remarks. I simply will not waste my time on ignorance. I've wasted too much time already trying to explain to those who refuse to hear reason.


Some of you have personal issues with DK because of past alliances and retired players. To you, I say only this:

The past is the past and if you continue to let it control the way you see the world you will never, ever grow as a person. My advice? LET IT GO. Those players are no longer playing KnD. There is a whole new generation of leaders shaping up as there always should be in life. Would you appreciate being condemned for actions prior to your entrance on the scene? I think not.

Consider this before you speak. There is bad blood here, I don't deny it. But it's dry. Stop trying to make everyone else slip in it.

Again, I sincerely hope some of you find some peace.

DK Zenith


I formally request that GREE closes this thread, as the original purpose and question has been answered and it has become a place for accusations and false statements.

[shadowshoot]

If you guys read first all the topic maybe you will understand why i post what i post.


All I guarantee is that we will continue to strive to do our best, no more and no less, as always!
We are still waiting for a legit challenge in a fair fight ;)

"How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars?"

And




Just because we captain opposing ships doesn't mean we sail different seas.

This is just a game, and we stay for the social experience and the bonds we form with people all over the world.

The hatred aimed at DK and other top guilds is really nothing more than a waste of one's time and energy, but I understand that haters are always gonna hate. With that in mind, I wish you the best of luck!

I start posting after thise afirmations. Read all i post first to speack.

@MiniMod , i duno in what guild you are but since every aliance have chat chanels and players speack and do ss , is not hard to find out what happens. "A status of facts" i mean it like a toghether of events that most old players know (ask around)

@buster , i enjoy the little red lines and if this make you angry i am realy sorry ... ok without realy ... ok i am not sorry. I was asociated by you with the DK in the past and , yes , was more that 1 post where u did it. Haw you can see i don't stay with the DK empire , but i don't give them the satisfaction of hate.
p.s. see i didn't ignore u this time , King.

[shadowshoot]

Again, I sincerely hope some of you find some peace.

DK Zenith


I formally request that GREE closes this thread, as the original purpose and question has been answered and it has become a place for accusations and false statements.

I just hope the past will not repeat and hope we all learn from it. Forgive me if i can't minimaly trust any word of Dk atm. Trust have to be gained not asked.

Thank you

[Rookeye]

Aren't you going to remind him about the rules concerning derogatory comments.......? lol!

Hmm. My "well said" was aimed at the first four paragraphs which pointed no specific fingers and dealt wholly in facts. I don't condone calling people idiots (unless, of course, they are demonstrably idiots...) Sorry for the confusion, there. :)

[DGO Aphrodite]

I just hope the past will not repeat and hope we all learn from it. Forgive me if i can't minimaly trust any word of Dk atm. Trust have to be gained not asked.

Thank you
How else are you to gain trust with someone other than to accept an offer to a open invitation into the empire, so you may see first hand at how things work? I am not saying jump head first and buy gems to get directly into the top guild, but maybe if you're fitting you could try an empire guild, because they operate by a protocol set by their individual GM, but! the movements and progress are aided and have a higher success rate thanks to the main guild, DK/BBT. I was of corse very skeptical to moving to the empire with my guild, but i weighed the pros and cons (FAIRLY) by neglecting the hearsay and gave it a try, our guild has now established a firm rank, and recieves fair support from the empire. And as far as addressing the empire and BBT, I can also say I've witnessed first hand how they operate, as i went to assist for the reward of a war epic, and there was nothing done out of the way that any other top guild does during a war, but nonetheless it was all legit. Anyways, i believe zenith has covered any accusation or question any of you have..and like she said, come give it a try, then you have first hand solid knowledge , not brute, rash and ignorant hand me down soiled information.

[Rookeye]

...There is bad blood here, I don't deny it. But it's dry. Stop trying to make everyone else slip in it...

Best. Quote. Ever. :cool:

[B Legit]

P.S. B legit , u can organize with DK Zenith and put your TU face to face with DK ( no strip naturaly) and do with them a heavy gemming competitive "fair" battle , post some ss after and let us know how hard u get beated (gems will not help u vs DK indiferent haw many u will have)

Umm I've faced DK probably 30 times in battle before, and I have multiple friends who have joined DK for war. Of course they beat us, they beat everyone they face. I know multiple people in DK, both permanent members and rotation members. DK is the best guild in the game, period. They do whatever it takes to win, it's not random, it was a group assembled with this goal in mind. I fear you fail to understand what that really means. Maybe it's because of my athletic background and recruiting I have a better understanding of how this works, for the top teams parody is definitely NOT the goal, nor should it be. DK has 40 people willing to gem however much it takes, just because others are upset about it doesn't make it malicious.


Oh, and btw, Zenith and I HAVE organized things before, she is great, and does a wonderful job of helping out both her guild and her allies :)

[Rookeye]

I think it should be said, "whatever it takes" does not include cheating their eyes out. That accusation is easy to level, and yes, some cheaters have been removed from a number of high level Guilds, but I doubt ANY of the top 10 Guilds make cheating their goal. :rolleyes:

[shadowshoot]

B Legit , so you agree that even if you gem more that Dk you will NEVER be abble to beat them. This why i say competition start from second place in down.

I hope athletic background teach you the meaning of fair play and sportmanship too becouse Hitler did " whatever it takes to win " and he didn't had a good end. That "whatever it takes" sounds very creepy but don't undestand me wrong , they already proov that "whatever it takes".

[ColombianThreatMachine]

Here is the real deal every, DK plays hard and they have won for the past long amount of freaking months. Anyways, while OTB and Maj Alliance were part of the DK alliance, DK never complained about any hackers. When Maj and OTB decided to leave DK, that was when DK alliance started to complain about hackers. DK was content when the hackers were playing for them and within their alliance, but the minute they were hacked against OOOOH that was when the party stopped for DK.

So to conclude, DK does tolerate hackers if they play within their alliance and not against them. The number from hackers being banned were something along the lines of 10 from OTB and 3 from DK as far as my information goes. The number of Rebel Alliance hackers were 0.

There was another guild Artifice France or some weird name like that, they had about 4 hackers or something along those lines.

Not everyone hacks at the top and many many players play honorably, but its the poor leadership that allows hackers in their guilds and turn a blind eye to hacking players within their guild. This happens in every game and it will continue as long as we have the game. If DK continues to offer the number one spot, hackers will go there and it should be the DK leaders responsibility to have their players investigated if they are suspicious of hacking. But instead they just act like there is not a problem and there is nothing wrong going on... unless of course they have to face an opposing guild who is using the same tactics.

[Rookeye]

@ Shadowshoot: I'll never beat an Olympic athlete either: In addition to not having the athletic skills necessary, I also lack the drive, determination, and thirst to win the first place podium. I'm quite content with 3rd, 11th, 50th or 96th place. That being the case, I'm not gonna be first in line to trumpet charges of "not fair!" against another Guild who has put in the time, drive, skills, [money], etc. *shrug*

[B Legit]

B Legit , so you agree that even if you gem more that Dk you will NEVER be abble to beat them. This why i say competition start from second place in down.

I hope athletic background teach you the meaning of fair play and sportmanship too becouse Hitler did " whatever it takes to win " and he didn't had a good end. That "whatever it takes" sounds very creepy but don't undestand me wrong , they already proov that "whatever it takes".

That is not at all what I said. And your rebuttal makes no sense.

[busteroaf]

@ Shadowshoot: I'll never beat an Olympic athlete either: In addition to not having the athletic skills necessary, I also lack the drive, determination, and thirst to win the first place podium. I'm quite content with 3rd, 11th, 50th or 96th place. That being the case, I'm not gonna be first in line to trumpet charges of "not fair!" against another Guild who has put in the time, drive, skills, [money], etc. *shrug*

People who don't understand, won't understand. You either have it or you don't. Apparently Shadow doesn't. You can beat the pants off someone, but fair is fair. You have the ability to join a guild and try to be first. That is fair. If you can't beat someone's armor combo, that isn't the games issue, its yours. Try and get a better combo of your own. Its still fair. You have the ability to spend more gems and try to win just like everyone else. Fair. Winning wars by millions of points isn't just to show they can and rub it in, its to ensure they get the win that they put in the work for. The second they let up, someone will come by and try to overtake them. Top teams don't get lazy. Period. If you do, you don't deserve it.

And really Shadow?? Comparing a guild in a phone/tablet game to Hitler? In no way are they even remotely close.

Tell the mods to bust out the ban hammer on me again, because you're clearly an idiot. Let me rephrase that in words you can understand. Wait, I'll just keep it simple. YOU. ARE. AN. IDIOT.

[DK Zenith]

Here is the real deal every, DK plays hard and they have won for the past long amount of freaking months. Anyways, while OTB and Maj Alliance were part of the DK alliance, DK never complained about any hackers. When Maj and OTB decided to leave DK, that was when DK alliance started to complain about hackers. DK was content when the hackers were playing for them and within their alliance, but the minute they were hacked against OOOOH that was when the party stopped for DK.

So to conclude, DK does tolerate hackers if they play within their alliance and not against them.


ColombianThreatMachine, you've obviously skipped past all prior dialogue on this issue, so here. Read post #123 on this thread. (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?94987-Official-11-movement-thread-regarding-cheating-hacking/page13)

If you want the "real deal" as you so succinctly put it, how about you actually talk to one of us instead of offering your own opinions as fact.

That'd be great.

[DK Zenith]

Oh wait, you're on that thread too.
Right below my post.


So you're still harping the same song... again, your opinions are not facts.



Nevermind the internal drama and the personal attacks on individuals, the problems we have uncovered have been evident for a couple weeks. Many people are claiming that Empire knew players were cheating while they played with us. Let me assure you that once the numbers started popping up during the Epic war two weekends ago, we began investigating the case. This was an issue for DK leadership the moment it was discovered.

As a group of top players all over the world, we often compete with one another for legitimate top scores.

As such, we know the maximum any one person is ever capable of scoring legitimately for any event. We literally PUSH ourselves constantly to break these records. This is why it became evident very early on that something was very, very wrong.

I do not believe all of the bans that were enacted due to this is a direct result of the speed hacking we reported during the Raid event. I believe Gree is trying to cover it's bases, and if you are a player that was banned over the last several hours and believe it was done unfairly, I urge you to speak up to Gree. This includes all players, whether you are allied with my guild or not. I believe in fairness for everyone and I have friends in all alliances who will attest to that.


Let me post that here one more time, just for you. :)

[busteroaf]

Again, another person who knows exactly who and how many were banned. Do you people seriously have so little other things to do in your life that you worry about everyone else?

And again, its an imperfect science of finding out (within the guild) who is hacking, with players scattered all over the globe. Most people don't live KnD since its near impossible to profit from selling accounts much like you can in many card games, so its not profitable to be playing 24/7.

I was in RR for a good while and there were people who were banned for hacking. Sure, you can assume some people are, or, you might just find out you've got an athlete with some free time during rehab, and a fat bank account that drops money and is addicted to phone games. Either way, KnD wasn't my JOB. If someone hacks, sure, I don't want that stigma in my group, but I wasn't spending every waking minute grilling my fellow guildmates about if they were hacking or not. Its not my job.

Its bad enough that I have to spend time fighting credit card fraud and theft, as well as product theft from my own workplace, but I get paid to do that. KnD is a game. The second it becomes a second job, I'm out. Oh wait, been there, done that.

[shadowshoot]

Everyone have the right to have his personal "idiot" opinion. My "idiot" opinion don't change. Yes is fair to work hard and earn your first place. Yes is fair to use the best gear you earned in your hard work. Yes is fair to earn your place and be respected for that. And me , in my "idiot" opinion , i respect every single player who did that.
Also is NOT fair to send spys in oponent aliances/guilds and make them strip for your benefit (do you broke a foot to your olimpic oponent ? ). NO , is absolutly NOT fair to send your knights in oponent guilds to be sure they will not do the neccesary amount of points to beat you. Is NOT fair to send your knights to disbine guilds , to create confusions and riots inside oponent guilds , to demote gm's of guilds who don't belong to you. All this are things that dk DID in the past ( FO buster becouse , YES , i know EXACTLY who and haw , YES , i was and see that ! )
This are events who happens in the past and about this i speack when i say UNFAIR PLAY. LEARN TO READ . In my "idiot" personal opinion i hope (a very small hope) that DK Zenith will change this tipe of acting on DK empire.
Until this things will change and until DK will give proove of a fair play ( witout "whatever it take" unfair reprobate metods) i will feel pitty for who join them.

@Busteroaf , if you have a little culture and learn a minimum of history , you should know the moto of Hitler in ww2 was : "whatever it takes" ( read Mein Kampf )

[busteroaf]

Everyone have the right to have his personal "idiot" opinion. My "idiot" opinion don't change. Yes is fair to work hard and earn your first place. Yes is fair to use the best gear you earned in your hard work. Yes is fair to earn your place and be respected for that. And me , in my "idiot" opinion , i respect every single player who did that.
Also is NOT fair to send spys in oponent aliances/guilds and make them strip for your benefit (do you broke a foot to your olimpic oponent ? ). NO , is absolutly NOT fair to send your knights in oponent guilds to be sure they will not do the neccesary amount of points to beat you. Is NOT fair to send your knights to disbine guilds , to create confusions and riots inside oponent guilds , to demote gm's of guilds who don't belong to you. All this are things that dk DID in the past ( FO buster becouse , YES , i know EXACTLY who and haw , YES , i was and see that ! )
This are events who happens in the past and about this i speack when i say UNFAIR PLAY. LEARN TO READ . In my "idiot" personal opinion i hope (a very small hope) that DK Zenith will change this tipe of acting on DK empire.
Until this things will change and until DK will give proove of a fair play ( witout "whatever it take" unfair reprobate metods) i will feel pitty for who join them.

@Busteroaf , if you have a little culture and learn a minimum of history , you should know the moto of Hitler in ww2 was : "whatever it takes" ( read Mein Kampf )

Unfair play. Learn to read. I would but your horrible spelling, or just horrible usage of the English language makes it difficult to read your rambling dribble.

And if DK did do that, they weren't the first, or the last. Same thing happened to Rainbow guilds. But you know what, the people that did those things moved on, changed guilds, etc. The game keeps going on, and people continue rotating in and out of guilds. Guarantee that if I logged in and looked at whoever was in Rainbow Party now, I'd hardly recognize anyone. Maybe you should learn to let bygones be bygones. Like you said, they happened in the past. Are they still happening? Can YOU who knows "exactly who and haw" prove it is still going on? If not, get over it. Also, how does one demote a GM? Only the GM can demote him/herself, and promote someone else. Am I the only one curious about that? And really, if the guild/GM was dumb enough to put someone else in charge, that is their fault.

Also, haw is actually spelled "how" btw. Let me correct some more while I'm at it. Olimpic is actually Olympic. Oponents has two p's, opponents, aliance has two l's, alliance, absolutly has an E between the t and the l, absolutely. Fix a few of these and it will make your "learn to read" statement easier to actually make happen. For everyone.

And again, still comparing a guilds motto of "whatever it takes" to Hitler. Mind blowingly stupid. Not even same level stupid. "I can't believe I'm still responding to you" stupid. Also, Hitler isn't the only person in history to ever use the "whatever it takes" motto, and I don't need to "learn a minimum of history" to know that.

Grow up.

[shadowshoot]

Unfair play. Learn to read. I would but your horrible spelling, or just horrible usage of the English language makes it difficult to read your rambling dribble.

And if DK did do that, they weren't the first, or the last. Same thing happened to Rainbow guilds. But you know what, the people that did those things moved on, changed guilds, etc. The game keeps going on, and people continue rotating in and out of guilds. Guarantee that if I logged in and looked at whoever was in Rainbow Party now, I'd hardly recognize anyone. Maybe you should learn to let bygones be bygones. Like you said, they happened in the past. Are they still happening? Can YOU who knows "exactly who and haw" prove it is still going on? If not, get over it. Also, how does one demote a GM? Only the GM can demote him/herself, and promote someone else. Am I the only one curious about that? And really, if the guild/GM was dumb enough to put someone else in charge, that is their fault.

Also, haw is actually spelled "how" btw. Let me correct some more while I'm at it. Olimpic is actually Olympic. Oponents has two p's, opponents, aliance has two l's, alliance, absolutly has an E between the t and the l, absolutely. Fix a few of these and it will make your "learn to read" statement easier to actually make happen. For everyone.

And again, still comparing a guilds motto of "whatever it takes" to Hitler. Mind blowingly stupid. Not even same level stupid. "I can't believe I'm still responding to you" stupid. Also, Hitler isn't the only person in history to ever use the "whatever it takes" motto, and I don't need to "learn a minimum of history" to know that.

Grow up.

My english is bad but not unreadable if you realy want than u can read it. I work and chat at the same time and if i "jump"some letters is not the end of the english linguage.
Dk DID do that and yes , in the PAST. But is not such a FAR past to forget it. Was then who came here to speack about "fair competition" and I HAVE NO INTENTION TO FORGIVE THE "PAST" COMPORTAMENTS UNTIL THEY PROOVE THE CHANGE. And new players have to be informed and to know this.
This is a game and me , personaly i have fun playing it. Like player and human i have a moral integrity and if ever my guild or the aliance my guild is part of will do something that will be negative unfair comprtament i will leave the guild/aliance and publicaly post the events HERE! This why i feel pity for the players who are still on Dk empire knowing what happen.
I know DK have a new line of gameplay and , i say again , i hope DK Zenith will avoid past events to repeat. And if such events will reapeat and without the control of DKE leadership , i will hope they will publicaly trow out the guilty ones from DK and DKE (yes , i say publicaly , meaning without hiding bihing pm and private chats).
And for the cronicles i am comparing a game players moto , "whatever it takes", with the MOTO of 1 from the worst tirans the worls ever knew NOT with the tiran himself. You , busteroaf/King Mark , are the stupid idiot here. I just sayed this is a game , backstabing players/guilds/aliances is NOT a fair way to win , "whatever it take" is NOT the good point of view for a game.
And from here i will start ignoring you again. Thank you for the future posts.

P.S. i love my english :-) think i never study it , all i learned i did it alone and with no help ;-) ma ho tanto l'impresione che parlo/scrivo/leggo mai multe limbi decat mare parte din persoanele prezente ;-P

[Bonaya]

Some people are taking this game WAY to serious.. Just saying

[MiniMod]

Blah blah

So, you keep saying you hope current DK will prove themselves, but don't think they've changed because you won't forgive or forget about the past (apparently your panties are still in a twist about whatever happened) but continue to say that they have to prove it to you. They don't have to prove anything. They already have. People who have the desire and drive to win, go to DK. If they were all backstab need and cheats, they wouldn't be successful.

Public shaming too? Wow. Do you release the info on who gets banned from your guild? Would you like them to publicize the personal addresses and phone numbers of all their members too, just in case someone feels like egging their house or something similar? Nevermind that stuff is supposed to be private and not shared on the forums anyway (who gets banned and why)

Yeah, Busteroaf is an ass, but I agree. You sound like an idiot here. Let this thread die like the DK guy said.

PS. I hate your English too. Maybe you shouldn't be on a game forum during work. Some morals and integrity you're showing to your job huh?

PSS. Do you like beans?

[DK Shady]

I know DK have a new line of gameplay and , i say again , i hope DK Zenith will avoid past events to repeat. And if such events will reapeat and without the control of DKE leadership , i will hope they will publicaly trow out the guilty ones from DK and DKE (yes , i say publicaly , meaning without hiding bihing pm and private chats).

So basically what we did when we gave Majestic over a week heads up when we dissolved the #1 rotating treaty, when AsirusX (POS) was scamming accounts and Zeus did what he did to Fury? Like everyone said, get your facts straight. We are unable to control what people do and say, but we've always taken care of business the best we could when we noticed a problem.

[DK Zenith]

Dk DID do that and yes , in the PAST. But is not such a FAR past to forget it. Was then who came here to speack about "fair competition" and I HAVE NO INTENTION TO FORGIVE THE "PAST" COMPORTAMENTS UNTIL THEY PROOVE THE CHANGE. And new players have to be informed and to know this.
This is a game and me , personaly i have fun playing it. Like player and human i have a moral integrity and if ever my guild or the aliance my guild is part of will do something that will be negative unfair comprtament i will leave the guild/aliance and publicaly post the events HERE! This why i feel pity for the players who are still on Dk empire knowing what happen.
I know DK have a new line of gameplay and , i say again , i hope DK Zenith will avoid past events to repeat. And if such events will reapeat and without the control of DKE leadership , i will hope they will publicaly trow out the guilty ones from DK and DKE (yes , i say publicaly , meaning without hiding bihing pm and private chats).
And for the cronicles i am comparing a game players moto , "whatever it takes", with the MOTO of 1 from the worst tirans the worls ever knew NOT with the tiran himself.


1. As you yourself have said, those events (however twisted your view of them may be) happened in the past. Yet you hold them against me, who wasn't involved in any of it.

2. You like to compare "whatever it takes" to Hitler, yet you want us to publicly shame anyone with less than perfect morals. Should we throw them in the stocks in the center of town and throw rotten vegetables at them? Should we strip them naked and make them run through public? Should we declare war on all KnD players that have ever used a glitch, round them up into concentration camps and exterminate them? No? Well, that goes right in line with your logic... STOP USING HITLER AS A CRUTCH. You sound like you can't form a real statement of your own, and must rely on the deeds of others to justify your closed-minded, ignorant rants.

I have been beyond patient with you Shadowshoot, and believe me it is wearing thin.

You still haven't even had the guts to contact me personally, and instead come to a public forum and rave like a barely coherent lunatic.

You insist on attacking DK CONSTANTLY, and yet you want people to think you're the victim.

I think everyone sees through your bias for the sad person you really must be to not listen to a word of reason when an argument is clearly presented to you.

You keep saying that you hope I will avoid the issues that you're (only half-informedly) complaining about. In the SAME statement you assert that you won't believe it's happened unless you see it.

You, ma'am, are never going to see anything short of what YOU want to see. You want DK to be the enemy, therefore we always will be, regardless of what I do or don't do.


For the most part I have the utmost respect for everyone I've encountered thanks to KnD, even the people I've disagreed with (because I'm an adult and I know how to not be offended by a differing opinion).

You Shadowshoot, are a class of ignorant all by yourself.

Go ahead then. I won't stop you. Keep attacking DKE, I hope it brings you some satisfaction in your sorry life.

[GeneralUsa]

Remember that KnD is a game (and I keep reminding that myself as well).
We should (or at least try to) treat everyone with respects - DK, Rebel, or any other.

[DK Zenith]

Remember that KnD is a game (and I keep reminding that myself as well).
We should (or at least try to) treat everyone with respects - DK, Rebel, or any other.

You are absolutely right! I have friends in every alliance. People like to overlook this fact, and frankly I'm done playing nice about this endless stream of derogatory remarks.

I don't arbitrarily badmouth ANYONE. I certainly don't appreciate the continued barrage when I've spent several days attempting to enlighten and placate because of events that are far enough in the past that I shouldn't have to defend myself for them at all. (As again, I wasn't a part of any of the aforementioned trespasses, and I certainly DON'T condone actions like that.)

Shadowshoot, if you are ready to see the "changes" in DK policy, then let the past go and let it be.
Continuous postings dragging up the past as though it's some sort of defense for acting irrational is not going to do anything productive for anyone. I grow very, very tired of it.

You've sucessfully exhausted my willingness to be polite by refusing to listen to anyone, other than to argue nonsense.
This is not high school, quit with the drama.

[Tadaaah]

Flame wars. Locking.