How to improve Knights and Dragons

[Alexistheking124]

Hi guys. I talked with Tadaah and he is on the ball about improving Knights and Dragons for the better for all of us. So please post here ideas and suggestions that would improve the framework, also known as base of knights and dragons. I know there is a suggestions thread but I feel its a bit dated and with the raid event almost behind us we should focus on the future of Knights and Dragons.

[Alexistheking124]

Some improvements I want to see are to the guild wars system. Would be nice to see it transformed into how the raid system worked in terms of rewards for milestone and individual players. With the new achievement system titles can be given to the top guild and player. For guilds it can be Heroes of the "Guild War Event" and top player can be Martyr of the "Guild War Event".

Another thing is crafting material drops from the Raid bosses or a score limit that unlocks Craftable epics based on the boss in n lesser form then the reward given. I think it would be beneficial to guilds gearing up there players for new raid bosses. Maybe guilds who break 100 million points would earn the lesser epic in a quest.

Anyway I want to see other peoples opinions and ideas. I think Gree is serious about improving gameplay and has a tool now to improve the Knights and Dragons framework.

[legalious]

Here are some things that I hope the touch to update or fix in the future:

* Expand rewards for Daily Login
* New or larger map to explore
* New type of element
* More Starmetal

[Alexistheking124]

I agree starmetal needs to come back and be competitive.

[Fossil]

Offer the ability to gift an armor from your inventory to another person in the same guild. Each armor can only be gifted once and cannot be transferred again.

Make it possible to upgrade an armor to a + version by paying gold. The armor would be reduced to a lvl 70 after upgrade and would have to be leveled to 99 again.

Make it to where a person can spend more thanone energy on an attack. For example, if you spend 5 energy, you get 5x the points. If you lose, then you just wasted the 5 energy.

Make it to where you cannot attack the same player twice in a row. Better yet, make it so that you cannot attack that player again until you have attacked 3-4 other players.

Just a few of my suggestions to put some life back into the game.

[Sol Invictus]

Knights and Dragons 2

[Adisty]

I agree with:

Legalious - "Expand rewards for Daily Login, New or larger map to explore"

Alexistheking124 - "Would be nice to see it transformed into how the raid system worked in terms of rewards for milestone and individual players."

Fossil - "Offer the ability to gift an armor from your inventory to another person in the same guild. Each armor can only be gifted once and cannot be transferred again." with a limit to one gift per person per week, and/or gifting earned rewards

And would like to see better level up rewards, stat increase past level 100, expanded castle area for buildings, guild recruitment message to people even if they're in a guild already, more Limited Time Quests, and more opportunities to earn Epic Chest keys.

[shadowshoot]

Who ask too much usualy don't get nothing.
Atm i think we should concentrate to improove what we have.
1- Fix gliches and bugs (this is number top in all)
2- Epic Wars - are some good ideeas in raid bosses that can apply to ew too
3- Blitz Wars - same like for ew are good ideeas to improove them
4- Raid bosses - was posted also many ideeas and players opinnions for improovement
5- Have the chance to craft epics sound awsome giving to low players the chance to earn them too and epic/blitz wars , arena , raid bosses milestones can be the best places to put them.

Even if look like a good ideea to gift your oun gears to guild mates , me personaly don't agree with this. This will only make strong guilds/aliances to became even stronger and is the risk to create a real market on epics purchaces. Already the accounts trade is not accepted by gree and they do good this way. This is a game and gems is a evaluation of personal fun , let's not create a gears trade market.

[Sol Invictus]

Space-based directed energy weapons.

[sxespanky]

sorry to seem Very Pessimistic, but his job is to say things like that when you talk to them, look at the What do you guys want next? its like a year old, people are still commenting on that thread, and nearly nothing has been implemented. sorry dude, their job is to make it seem they care, and are doing something. IF they actually start a ball rolling, ill Eat these words. but i dont see that happening. i can tell SOL is following me on this one.

[Alexistheking124]

You can be pessimistic all you want but they are trying to develop better content for the game. The raid is proof and is a great stepping stone to do better events for people.

[Fossil]

Who ask too much usualy don't get nothing.
Atm i think we should concentrate to improove what we have.
1- Fix gliches and bugs (this is number top in all)
2- Epic Wars - are some good ideeas in raid bosses that can apply to ew too
3- Blitz Wars - same like for ew are good ideeas to improove them
4- Raid bosses - was posted also many ideeas and players opinnions for improovement
5- Have the chance to craft epics sound awsome giving to low players the chance to earn them too and epic/blitz wars , arena , raid bosses milestones can be the best places to put them.

Even if look like a good ideea to gift your oun gears to guild mates , me personaly don't agree with this. This will only make strong guilds/aliances to became even stronger and is the risk to create a real market on epics purchaces. Already the accounts trade is not accepted by gree and they do good this way. This is a game and gems is a evaluation of personal fun , let's not create a gears trade market.

Strong guilds already have the armor and hence no need to gift. A player who cannot afford to spend gems to compete will leave the game sooner than later. If they can get decent armor they may be inclined to participate more. I think GREE realizes this as it seems that the number of epics being fused lately is on the rise, most likely due to GREE making adjustments to the governing algorithm.

[sxespanky]

You can be pessimistic all you want but they are trying to develop better content for the game. The raid is proof and is a great stepping stone to do better events for people.

im calling complete BS on this, The only reason they implemented this is because SOOOO many people complained about wars being boring, they did the same thing when everyone complained about arena, so they added a ton of rewards. unfortunately this game will not have regular updates, only enough to find the biggest complaint - and stop any possible revolts that people have.

[Tadaaah]

There are lots of great ideas and feedback here. Thanks for putting this together. We are always trying to improve on player experience; hearing from you is awesome!

[Alexistheking124]

im calling complete BS on this, The only reason they implemented this is because SOOOO many people complained about wars being boring, they did the same thing when everyone complained about arena, so they added a ton of rewards. unfortunately this game will not have regular updates, only enough to find the biggest complaint - and stop any possible revolts that people have.

You are suited to your opinion. But if they truly casted Knights and dragons aside we would not have weekly updates of the arena and epic boss., the bi weekly epic event and new chest epics. I think they are trying to make a valid push and we will see better features as the year goes by.

Another thing I would like to see is epic chest keys rewardable for boss events or arena. You have the tech to do it and I think it would help people have that small chance for a new epic if they are free to play.

[Kangaroeland]

Punish hackers and the people who condone it instead of keeping it worth it.
Betatest your updates.
More clear communication from gree staff

[sxespanky]

You are suited to your opinion. But if they truly casted Knights and dragons aside we would not have weekly updates of the arena and epic boss., the bi weekly epic event and new chest epics. I think they are trying to make a valid push and we will see better features as the year goes by.

boss/ arena is something they have been running since they started they game, the day they give up on that this will be done, or they finally came up with a better event.

they finally deleted the forum for the game that died out a year or two ago, people payed a Ton of money in that game, and then one day, out of the blue no more updates, no reason. just gone. you havnt seen what other people have. i like how you pretend to know so much about so little.

i will say this, Tadaa has been around more than elita or any of the other people. but then again, i guess it depends on how busy they are with their real job at gree, and how many other forums they have to read through.

[Scabs]

I've been playing since November 2013, and the game play starts to get very repetitive. The game is in desperate need of more strategy than just lining up your armor order and pressing the special button at a specified time. Maybe introduce something where you get one shot with your first/current knight to attack any one of your opponent's knights (again, just one attack). This could also be tied into the special, where once your special is full, you can select which of your opponent's knights to use it on. I think that would add a lot more strategy and be a huge breath of fresh air for guild wars and arena battles.

[sxespanky]

I've been playing since November 2013, and the game play starts to get very repetitive. The game is in desperate need of more strategy than just lining up your armor order and pressing the special button at a specified time. Maybe introduce something where you get one shot with your first/current knight to attack any one of your opponent's knights (again, just one attack). This could also be tied into the special, where once your special is full, you can select which of your opponent's knights to use it on. I think that would add a lot more strategy and be a huge breath of fresh air for guild wars and arena battles.

what your talking about, there are other games like this. try brave frontier. its Grand - with so much mor eoptions and story compared to KaD, plus they update (huge updates) monthly

[shadowshoot]

sxespanky , the topic is about "haw to improve knd" please fallow , post oun ideea (i see in other topics u had some good ones). If you want to to start a new topic about "Pesimist on gree intentions" or "better games that knd" or "choose your name topic" please do so but don't post things that are not in line with the topic.
P.S. for the rest , guys stop feeding him.

[sxespanky]

sxespanky , the topic is about "haw to improve knd" please fallow , post oun ideea (i see in other topics u had some good ones). If you want to to start a new topic about "Pesimist on gree intentions" or "better games that knd" or "choose your name topic" please do so but don't post things that are not in line with the topic.
P.S. for the rest , guys stop feeding him.

hes talking mechanics that do not work with this game, i told him a place he can see that mechanic in action. forums are where like minded individuals want to talk about something they enjoy. some people enjoy that subject more than others, and some enjoy it so much it drives them to a brink of insanity because that product isnt to their expectation anymore. during any normal conversation, weather it be online or in real life, you may have a small side conversation while having your regular. (this is me saying i dont care what you just said.)

[busteroaf]

You can be pessimistic all you want but they are trying to develop better content for the game. The raid is proof and is a great stepping stone to do better events for people.

Raid is proof? Look back through threads. Since the inclusion of Guilds, that has been a topic of something guilds wanted and its just now coming out?


im calling complete BS on this, The only reason they implemented this is because SOOOO many people complained about wars being boring, they did the same thing when everyone complained about arena, so they added a ton of rewards. unfortunately this game will not have regular updates, only enough to find the biggest complaint - and stop any possible revolts that people have.

Revolts? Like when people talk about stopping spending in a thread how they'd lock/delete it?


You are suited to your opinion. But if they truly casted Knights and dragons aside we would not have weekly updates of the arena and epic boss., the bi weekly epic event and new chest epics. I think they are trying to make a valid push and we will see better features as the year goes by.

Another thing I would like to see is epic chest keys rewardable for boss events or arena. You have the tech to do it and I think it would help people have that small chance for a new epic if they are free to play.

It isn't hard to program a bunch of armors into the system, and set them to timers. Again, look back on multiple threads, you'll see screenshots of in-app data that show new armors and bosses weeks before they're released. Also, you are showing your naivety by thinking that these companies truly care about long term health of the game. This is the same thing that all games go through. Minor tweaks to some random content, and then every year or so, they actually do something sizable.

For example, X-Men, battle of the atom, they have "Premium Packs" at 11 cards per pack, at the cost of 3000 X-coins. ($30 each, unless you buy iTunes cards on sale, buy x-coins in bulk, etc). During events they come out with Event Premium Packs, where you get at least 1 card that does extra damage to bosses. And just this past event, they introduced 15 card packs that cost 1000 coins extra, (4000 X-coins, $40) but include 3 event cards. They also added the feature so that every time you go to the purchase page, even using the free recruit currency, it shows the last 8 SR and up cards that people have pulled. For what reason? To entice you to actually spend money. If you think these games are about building loyalty, you're sadly mistaken. Like Spanky said, one day, they can just pull the plug and all that precious data people have spent for is gone. The lucky ones are the ones who cash out/get out early and realize its the same game with a slightly tweaked mechanic and a new skin.

They are ALL money grabs based around gambling, that prey on people who have that same addiction. You know, that whole "one more pull and THIS ONE will be the one that gets me that Epic, or UR card that will change my fortunes in this game." You know, a gambling problem.

And they are cheap to maintain. And also aren't going anywhere in the foreseeable future. Rage of Bahamut has been going strong for a while now, and they have so many different premium packs for sale at all times, its such a cluster. Yet those cash cows and whales who want to toss money into it, keep that sucker going.


boss/ arena is something they have been running since they started they game, the day they give up on that this will be done, or they finally came up with a better event.

they finally deleted the forum for the game that died out a year or two ago, people payed a Ton of money in that game, and then one day, out of the blue no more updates, no reason. just gone. you havnt seen what other people have. i like how you pretend to know so much about so little.

i will say this, Tadaa has been around more than elita or any of the other people. but then again, i guess it depends on how busy they are with their real job at gree, and how many other forums they have to read through.

Truth.


sxespanky , the topic is about "haw to improve knd" please fallow , post oun ideea (i see in other topics u had some good ones). If you want to to start a new topic about "Pesimist on gree intentions" or "better games that knd" or "choose your name topic" please do so but don't post things that are not in line with the topic.
P.S. for the rest , guys stop feeding him.

You don't use forums much do you? Again, there is a post started 10-31-2013... almost 9 months ago. How many of those ideas have been implemented? Hardly any. Here, I'll even link to it here (http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?73018-**OFFICIAL**-Feedback-and-Suggestions-Thread!). And don't kid yourself. The poll was added to the thread what, 4 or 5 months into the life of the thread?

[sxespanky]

Again, there is a post started 10-31-2013... almost 9 months ago. How many of those ideas have been implemented? Hardly any.

Buster, was u apart of that monster something game? after playing this one for so long its impossible to be optimistic about anything this company does.

when the company has nearly no requests, and they still make more updates, thats when a company is surely doing well, and love their customers.

[shadowshoot]

And again this topic is "haw to improove KnD" , have ideea , want to share , please do. We all know are many topics like this. I have 4 accounts here and this 1 is the 1 most new and less active , is funny to see haw some are friendly and agree with 1 acc and go against the second 1 even if bouth share same ideea. You are pathetic in a funny way.
Some old topics are so full and new commers barely read them so the feeding of ideeas is alweis good indiferent where this is beeing made .

I think every1 should remember gree IS a company. Is not Elita or some other employee who take decisions. We can share our ideeas , our wishes but will alweis be some1 upper who will eveluate first of all if it is worthing , if is thchnical possible , haw many wish it , what benefit can bring or what bad can do , ecc , ecc, ecc. Duno what you guys do for job but learn to look at the big picture.
Who ask too much will not get nothing and i have some doubts Harry Fotter is working for gree to do magical improovement.

P.S. my most old acc in this forum have 1.5+ years , first wars to start , i know what was posted and what was asked and most of all what was done.

[sxespanky]

And again this topic is "haw to improove KnD" , have ideea , want to share , please do. We all know are many topics like this. I have 4 accounts here and this 1 is the 1 most new and less active , is funny to see haw some are friendly and agree with 1 acc and go against the second 1 even if bouth share same ideea. You are pathetic in a funny way.
Some old topics are so full and new commers barely read them so the feeding of ideeas is alweis good indiferent where this is beeing made .

I think every1 should remember gree IS a company. Is not Elita or some other employee who take decisions. We can share our ideeas , our wishes but will alweis be some1 upper who will eveluate first of all if it is worthing , if is thchnical possible , haw many wish it , what benefit can bring or what bad can do , ecc , ecc, ecc. Duno what you guys do for job but learn to look at the big picture.
Who ask too much will not get nothing and i have some doubts Harry Fotter is working for gree to do magical improovement.

P.S. my most old acc in this forum have 1.5+ years , first wars to start , i know what was posted and what was asked and most of all what was done.

you are correct, elita, tadaah, they have no say in their company, they are code monkeys who draw up the next armor, and send it to the game. i bet they would love to make new content (or just get better paychecks) - but the fact is this game will not get a makeover, its cheaper to scrap an old junker and bring a new, shining polished game into the works. this is because they already made people made with Game x, but game Y has this new game mechanic that's really cool. i also don't care who you are, what account your posting on, i can tell when its you because of your english. its not great, im not making fun of you there. im just saying dont get ur hopes up - on anything gree makes.

also if you know what was done, you should know this company does not do things for their customers. All this game is a stupid Casino, where you pay REAL money into a slot machine, and get an awful graphic for your character.

i dont know why but you just make my blood boil - by showing me how ignorant people can be.

[busteroaf]

But but, its his fourth account and he's been around for over 1.5 years... he's way smarter than all of us, even though if he's using multiple accounts, I'm sure there is some sort of "hey, don't do that" involved in the forum rules. Somewhere.

Plus, unless he's purposely misspelling everything liek dis, or haw ever hes speling tings... he's either trying really hard to be dumb like Cartman, or he's just annoying as hell like Cartman. Either way. Horrible spelling troll is horrible.

At least we know its not Eun. He had way more than 4 accounts, and he's too proud of himself to act like a tard.

[jalen]

*New element such as lightning. Stick it between wind and water.
*Stop adding new epics all the time and add something different.
*Expand map*
*Armor gifting option.
And the #1 one thing that needs to change fast is the strength of the epic boss + armors Gree please stop making them so strong theres no point in getting epics if a legendary + is better. That Cultist armor + is better than Forgestone that is ridiculous there are so many useless epics now all we have to do is go for epic boss plus armors. Thats nonsense. If anything make more fusable epics so fusable epics actually mean something.

[Adisty]

Here's a couple of ideas borrowed from another mobile game:

Daily tasks - You complete 3 daily tasks, which cycle through 6 different tasks, to earn points. The points can be used to purchase in game items (gems, potions, etc.) and are given milestone rewards for reaching certain amounts. Complete all three for bonus points.

Attacking 1st - Instead of the opponent getting the first attack, we should get the first attack. Think about it: Would you go into battle swinging or stand there and let them have first shot?

[Alexistheking124]

I can't post the picture, but knights and dragons is Gree's top grossing game. If Gree had any "business sense", they would keep players drawn in and spending money. To confirm this go to the Google Play Store, go to games and select top grossing. Knights and Dragons is slot 20.

[shadowshoot]

@sxespanky this is only 1 of the many games we spent REAL money , we eveluate haw much our fun is worthing. Personaly i spend a lot more money on pc games where i oun several servers but KnD make me have some fun ;-)

@busteroaf u should try some different acc , will give u a ideea of haw fake people are (i sugest u use some translator to change your spellings and gramatical mistakes are welcome too). He/she don't need to be "way smarter" but is usefull to have more points of view. Try it.

@adisty have a good point there on the first hit. Indiferent if in war , arena boss , ecc , is me who choose to atack a oponent and he is difending his position so first hit should go on atacker side. Can be a good change.

Personaly i would like to see more raid bosses , naturaly not like the last one but i am sure gree will do some changes considering haw many posts was made about the "boring"side. We will just have to wait and see what they will choose to do.

[gardibolt]

First off, thanks for the additional armor slots. They really help. My suggestions are quality of life improvements that should be cheap/easy to implement.

1. Add an element filter to the armor smith UI like there is for fusion and enhancement.

2. Change the sort order for the armor smith and fusion to list the lower armors first. If you are combining a ton of low levels to get enhancement points this is a huge pain to have the high levels listed first. Besides, who is going to fuse their maxed epics first? Same goes for armor smith. If i am making lots of low level armors for enhancement, having to go through all the epic boss armors I could make but never will is massive nuisance. Enhancement works fine as is.

3. Add a control in the UI so we can choose the sort ourselves for armor smith, fusion and enhancement. Sometime I want to get to the new epic boss armor quickly.

Thanks.

[Scabs]

I would leave the armor updates alone at this point and focus on actual game play changes. Those suggestions are more for convenience, but don't really offer any incentive to keep playing.

[HH Grimm]

Hi guys. I talked with Tadaah and he is on the ball about improving Knights and Dragons for the better for all of us. So please post here ideas and suggestions that would improve the framework, also known as base of knights and dragons. I know there is a suggestions thread but I feel its a bit dated and with the raid event almost behind us we should focus on the future of Knights and Dragons.
Guild gifting and or guild trading would be amazing. Thank you

[sxespanky]

I can't post the picture, but knights and dragons is Gree's top grossing game. If Gree had any "business sense", they would keep players drawn in and spending money. To confirm this go to the Google Play Store, go to games and select top grossing. Knights and Dragons is slot 20.

top grossing in american market only id assume, and top grossing meaning most downloaded during that period of time that the store is showing. doesnt mean top dollar money making, nor if it the only top dollar game gree makes. they roll out nearly 20-25 games a year - other markets, they made Sword Art Online in japan, id say i would love to play it, but im sure it plays like KaD and that would make me upset.

Gifting armor is the worst idea, and gree will LITERALLY never do this, why? because people will make accounts, level a bit, get a few items from it, and gift to an account, and abandon that account. they dont need that on their servers.

and as for focusing our efforts to improve knights and dragons, there is literally a thousand ideas in the forum now. where are those going?

[Alexistheking124]

You know spanky, with your negative comments, it is detouring from reading more posts in the forum. If you lightened up a little, I'm sure more people would want to post. Now your right they got studios throughout the world and if your U.S. studio is topping the Google Play market you want to keep it making that money. Now with their stock market price dropping it means investors are losing faith. So what does a company do? They listen to the players and pow wow what they think will work and do it.

I want to see some tweaks to rewards so that they fall in line with the raid rewards. Which is slightly more milestone rewards for arena. Better rewards for epic boss, maybe even move the + to rank 35 due to the number of epics out.

Also as Epic boss armor stats grow higher then the older epics, Gree should retire the older epics. It would help improve active players chances in getting better armors.

[shadowshoot]

I want to see some tweaks to rewards so that they fall in line with the raid rewards. Which is slightly more milestone rewards for arena. Better rewards for epic boss, maybe even move the + to rank 35 due to the number of epics out.

Also as Epic boss armor stats grow higher then the older epics, Gree should retire the older epics. It would help improve active players chances in getting better armors.

A milestone sistem in epic wars & epic boss , not only in arena & raid boss ,will be welcome too. Duno what to say about boss+ at 35 ... is the risk to unbalance heavely the boss challenge.

[legalious]

Just thought of something neat:

Add Resistance to armor

[**]Add sockets to armor 1-3
Sockets cost, * Gold for 1, * Gold of 2 and Gems for 3
[**]Craft amulets or gems
Adds 5-10% in damage reduction from * element
Increases dodge %
Cost * Gold and time to make


will expand upon later*

[sxespanky]

You know spanky, with your negative comments, it is detouring from reading more posts in the forum. If you lightened up a little, I'm sure more people would want to post. Now your right they got studios throughout the world and if your U.S. studio is topping the Google Play market you want to keep it making that money. Now with their stock market price dropping it means investors are losing faith. So what does a company do? They listen to the players and pow wow what they think will work and do it.

I want to see some tweaks to rewards so that they fall in line with the raid rewards. Which is slightly more milestone rewards for arena. Better rewards for epic boss, maybe even move the + to rank 35 due to the number of epics out.

Also as Epic boss armor stats grow higher then the older epics, Gree should retire the older epics. It would help improve active players chances in getting better armors.

i'm not sure if you've read my older posts, but when this game doesnt make the money they want, they will shut down this game and reintroduce a new game, that's very similar. they have been making less money since the beginning of 2013 i believe? they had a great 2012 winter, and then started rolling down, and that's just gree, not this game in particularly. and just because you have Tons of people download and play this game doesn't mean everyone's a paying player. i believe its estimated only 1% of people who play mobile pay to play free games. that one percent keeps the game alive. what you guys see paying this game with your hard earned cash, i will never know. (oh ya, your gambling addicts, and should probably be treated) - gree knows this, if you spend money on chests, often, gree is on the winning side on your gambling addiction(who pays a hundred dollars for 40 2* armors?). and that's fine, the best way to make money if to use someones downfalls.

their absolute main problem with this game - is they don't have people specific to it - they have a dev team make a game, show someone how to implement new armors, and go to the next game. this is why you guys don't see regular new content. that's why you will never see regular new content.

i'm not a pessimist, i'm a realist, if you guys haven't been playing that long, take a stroll through the oldest forums, how happy every single person was. about 6 months into the game is where every one was like hey... can we have more levels :) - about a year into the game it became please :| ? now its what, 2 years into this game and what do we have to say is new content? its like throwing a dirty sandwich at a homeless mans feet. you might be feeding him. but only barely. So intead of asking for more stuff, you guys need to be asking for a dev team first - and that's the truth

[shadowshoot]

Sxespanky u say u are realist ? I am too. I oun a company and make more money in1 year that is very probably you will never do in your full life. Gambling adiction ? Don't make me laff. You shouldn't speack about things ur not capable to undestand. To trow 1$ in a game for you is adiction ? Becouse for me that 1$ u trow in a game is the equivalent of 1k more , so what for you is a value for some people is a another. The problem is not the people who work in/for the game but who take the decisions and the players who act like you. Haw i already say is a problem of numbers. If a amount of customers ask the same thing a company will implement what they ask (i speack here from personal experience). But if those customers are asking for 1000 diferent things and argue for what they want , no company never , never will give a damn on what they ask. If you look at what was done since now , at what gree did and give , u will see why gree give what was asked. In your pesimism u see only your view , you are like a train who walk on a predeterminated route. Start looking at the big picture , open your mind.

[Alexistheking124]

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Don't think I'm a noob or poor player. I just want to see more from this game. Also feel free to friend me in game. I got great armors to help with the current epic boss.

[sxespanky]

Sxespanky u say u are realist ? I am too. I oun a company and make more money in1 year that is very probably you will never do in your full life. Gambling adiction ? Don't make me laff. You shouldn't speack about things ur not capable to undestand. To trow 1$ in a game for you is adiction ? Becouse for me that 1$ u trow in a game is the equivalent of 1k more , so what for you is a value for some people is a another. The problem is not the people who work in/for the game but who take the decisions and the players who act like you. Haw i already say is a problem of numbers. If a amount of customers ask the same thing a company will implement what they ask (i speack here from personal experience). But if those customers are asking for 1000 diferent things and argue for what they want , no company never , never will give a damn on what they ask. If you look at what was done since now , at what gree did and give , u will see why gree give what was asked. In your pesimism u see only your view , you are like a train who walk on a predeterminated route. Start looking at the big picture , open your mind.

i refuse to respond to you after this. your posts are absolute cancer, full of garbled English, Just for fun though, ill take this one last post to show your points wrong. As an added benefit, please tell me any other account your linked to, so i know to completely stop reading anything you post.

i have never seen some on youtube say, hey, let me show you what my one dollar got me on KaD, its hey i just bought three thousand gems, watch me get 40 ish 2* armors. when u spend a lot of money on something, and the return has such a low chance of getting something. that's gambling. its the same if someone put a hundred dollars down on a roulette table for double zeros. look at this guy - http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?95310-Thanks-for-nothing he is so addicted to this game, in his head he has been playing for the past 5 days and calculated what he should have gotten - and now wants it back from gree. Addiction. so you missed out on an event, and a few days of arena, why don't u just try it out next arena? ya know, the one that plays out exactly the same every week.

we have been asking for new stuff for a long, long time http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?73018-**OFFICIAL**-Feedback-and-Suggestions-Thread! and we have pin pointed a hand full of things. and still nothing.

im sorry my "Measly 1 dollar an hour pay" doesn't compare to your "thousand dollar" pay, but ive been better value buying a dead dog than to spend the amount of money gree asks for its digital content. (which ties back to the addiction they are taking advantage of)

i have opened my mind, that's why i stopped playing hardcore. i use to love this game, id play it before i went to bed, when i woke up, all day long.i was a sucker for an awful game, and had the, must level up addiction, must get better armor addiction.

id also love to know what "business" you own where someone walks up to you with a suggestion and you go, great idea and implement it just like that.

i know i may come in here and put down my opinion - which may not be the most popular opinion, but generally its a truthful one about this company and their actions, or lack of, but your rant basically just told me that your better than us, with your better paying buisness, and my peasant life. i'm happy with my peasant life, working full time and going to school to be computer science major, i'm almost done in fact - i think that's a pretty decent accomplishment for myself. i hope that one day i make a great game. find out you play it, and ruin your account after you invest money into it. just to say - sorry, its an account error, ill pay you back by giving you a fresh new account with low level items to help you out.

[Alexistheking124]

i refuse to respond to you after this. your posts are absolute cancer, full of garbled English, Just for fun though, ill take this one last post to show your points wrong. As an added benefit, please tell me any other account your linked to, so i know to completely stop reading anything you post.

i have never seen some on youtube say, hey, let me show you what my one dollar got me on KaD, its hey i just bought three thousand gems, watch me get 40 ish 2* armors. when u spend a lot of money on something, and the return has such a low chance of getting something. that's gambling. its the same if someone put a hundred dollars down on a roulette table for double zeros. look at this guy - http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?95310-Thanks-for-nothing he is so addicted to this game, in his head he has been playing for the past 5 days and calculated what he should have gotten - and now wants it back from gree. Addiction. so you missed out on an event, and a few days of arena, why don't u just try it out next arena? ya know, the one that plays out exactly the same every week.

we have been asking for new stuff for a long, long time http://forums.gree.net/showthread.php?73018-**OFFICIAL**-Feedback-and-Suggestions-Thread! and we have pin pointed a hand full of things. and still nothing.

im sorry my "Measly 1 dollar an hour pay" doesn't compare to your "thousand dollar" pay, but ive been better value buying a dead dog than to spend the amount of money gree asks for its digital content. (which ties back to the addiction they are taking advantage of)

i have opened my mind, that's why i stopped playing hardcore. i use to love this game, id play it before i went to bed, when i woke up, all day long.i was a sucker for an awful game, and had the, must level up addiction, must get better armor addiction.

id also love to know what "business" you own where someone walks up to you with a suggestion and you go, great idea and implement it just like that.

i know i may come in here and put down my opinion - which may not be the most popular opinion, but generally its a truthful one about this company and their actions, or lack of, but your rant basically just told me that your better than us, with your better paying buisness, and my peasant life. i'm happy with my peasant life, working full time and going to school to be computer science major, i'm almost done in fact - i think that's a pretty decent accomplishment for myself. i hope that one day i make a great game. find out you play it, and ruin your account after you invest money into it. just to say - sorry, its an account error, ill pay you back by giving you a fresh new account with low level items to help you out.

The core of your response about KnD gambling is what I want to see improved. There is little reason to keep the outdated epics if a guaranteed epic boss + armors will be better. Also rewarding active players with a few keys to the "epic" chest weekly would make the game flow better.

[busteroaf]

Sxespanky u say u are realist ? I am too. I oun a company and make more money in1 year that is very probably you will never do in your full life. Gambling adiction ? Don't make me laff. You shouldn't speack about things ur not capable to undestand. To trow 1$ in a game for you is adiction ? Becouse for me that 1$ u trow in a game is the equivalent of 1k more , so what for you is a value for some people is a another. The problem is not the people who work in/for the game but who take the decisions and the players who act like you. Haw i already say is a problem of numbers. If a amount of customers ask the same thing a company will implement what they ask (i speack here from personal experience). But if those customers are asking for 1000 diferent things and argue for what they want , no company never , never will give a damn on what they ask. If you look at what was done since now , at what gree did and give , u will see why gree give what was asked. In your pesimism u see only your view , you are like a train who walk on a predeterminated route. Start looking at the big picture , open your mind.

TLDR.

So, still hiding behind an alt with horrible English and punctuation. Until you come out with your big boy account, no one is taking you seriously. I have one account, and have always had, one account. And been here as long as, if not longer than anyone.

Then throwing down the money thing and how you make more in a year than anyone will see in their lives. Again, no one cares. You play the same game everyone else does, and you hide behind multiple accounts. Sounds to me like you're the coward. Hell, I've got nothing to hide, why do you?

Prove me wrong Shadow. Be an adult and speak on your normal account.

[shadowshoot]

TLDR.

So, still hiding behind an alt with horrible English and punctuation. Until you come out with your big boy account, no one is taking you seriously. I have one account, and have always had, one account. And been here as long as, if not longer than anyone.

Then throwing down the money thing and how you make more in a year than anyone will see in their lives. Again, no one cares. You play the same game everyone else does, and you hide behind multiple accounts. Sounds to me like you're the coward. Hell, I've got nothing to hide, why do you?

Prove me wrong Shadow. Be an adult and speak on your normal account.

This is my real ingame name , ingame name i use from years and in other games too ;-) i don't hide. The english i speack i never study it , i learn it by myself from forums and chat. I'm not so smart like "some"of you and never study in school , i was more adicted to work. The previous post was for the gambling adiction that sxespanky say we have. I don't deny that are people who are adicted to games , people who don't pay their bills only to do a good score or buy some gems. But haw i say , look at the big picture. Who make games should pray to be more players like the 1% becouse is that 1% who give them the money to go on. I spend my money on a game becouse first of all i respect the work devs put in a game ( indiferent of game , not only knd) and second ,the quantity of money i spend reflect the fun i have with a game. A player like sxespanky (who want to make games) should first of all respect the work bihind this game and don't do confusion betwin what a company is and what a dev is. If he think he will do a game and when my acc will be ruined he will give me back a fresh new 1 , i say is bull**** becouse will never be him who will take the decision but the company for who he will work. He should pray that people who earn 1k$ at month will pay the 1$ on his game and people who earn 3mil $ at month will spend 1k$ becouse that is NOT "gambling adiction". I realy hope he will do a game with the call of KnD becouse then i will respect his work and i will put my money in it. Also then , maybe he will undestand haw a company is and what decision he will be alowed to take. First to judge haw or if someone is "gambling adicted" he should concentrate on what he realy know to do and since he is a future dev maybe he can came with some better solutions , ideeas , facts to help this game comunity. Some improovements was already made in game and only becouse players step up toghether (check 11+). Don't matter if some spend a fortune , or if he is adicted or if he is a f2p is the toghether who will change facts. Pesimism will never do.

[Kangaroeland]

Give players their rewards especially when they payed for them
Punish cheaters

[Fossil]

As this is a thread intended to gather ideas for improvement to the game, all of the negative comments regarding what has or and hasn't been done by GREE in the past have no place here. Legitimate concerns and ideas are lost in the negativity and people will not participate as they do not want to deal with others posting to tell them that their ideas are stupid, have no merit, will never happen, etc.

If you are so disillusioned with the game and GREE in general, why even come here? Such actions are self serving and do not offer any constructive advice to anyone that may want to get ideas on player feedback.

[Alexistheking124]

As this is a thread intended to gather ideas for improvement to the game, all of the negative comments regarding what has or and hasn't been done by GREE in the past have no place here. Legitimate concerns and ideas are lost in the negativity and people will not participate as they do not want to deal with others posting to tell them that their ideas are stupid, have no merit, will never happen, etc.

If you are so disillusioned with the game and GREE in general, why even come here? Such actions are self serving and do not offer any constructive advice to anyone that may want to get ideas on player feedback.

Thanks Fossil, you were able to put it into words that I had trouble forming.

Also talking with Tadaah, he wants to put up a goals/expectations thread but the dev team is still to small for what Gree. Is doing. Hope to see it soon so we actually know what they are planning.

[Mundum]

Spanky, while I agree with some of your points and your general sentiment (that's why I've never paid for gems myself and never will; got my first epic today after seven long months of playing), you must know you are derailing from the discussion. If you realize the game for what it is, simply stop playing it and trawling its forums. If people are addicted to the game, let them be, I'm sure you're beginning to realize that your words will not deter those that have invested a lot of money (as you say, addicted) or time in the game, or still find it fun. Some people are content where they are; it's a sobering fact of life.

My point is that your posts on this thread are off-topic. Usually, forums have rules against this, but I guess GREE doesn't pay to have enough administrators.

ON TOPIC: I have a few suggestions that have already been thrown around, I believe many of these suggestions, if not my added thoughts on them, are shared by a great number of players. Some of these ideas work with great success in other games.

Armor Gifting/Trading - While these would both be very beneficial for players, if they were able to trade or gift among their friends or guild mates, I think GREE would it most profitable to implement an armor auction system, where players would have the option to auction their armors for either gold or gems.

Map expansions - more areas, (possibly) more difficulty levels with better and substantial end rewards apart from some measly experience, stronger enemies that drop better and a larger variety of crafting materials (the shards have gotten really old), more bosses that could potentially drop old epic boss crafting materials, and higher experience yield, which ties into my second suggestion.

Apply stats past level 100 - This would significantly add to the replay value of the game, and would lower player turnover. Perhaps the stats could be gained at a lower rate, or a level cap could be applied at a much higher number, such as 500.

More quests - These could be tied into the map expansions, but it couldn't hurt to include new quests related to epic wars, blitz wars, or raid bosses that reset with each event, similar to how the arena quests are done. In addition, there are many mobile games that have daily login quests, which are generally arbitrary and give somewhat decent rewards. There doesn't have to be many per day, but it would give players something else to do.

Better rewards for Daily Logins - This should go without saying. The rewards are next to useless (250 gold? Seriously?). There should be better rewards in general, and the streak should go on for much longer, say 30 days, for a chance at legendary armors, fusion armors, gems, fusion stones and more.

Epic/Blitz War Rewards - I think the rewarding for these should be similar to the raid boss rewards (good job on that, btw), with separate ranking/rewards for within guilds. In addition, the top rewards should extend their tiers to include the top 50 or 100, or the same elite players will end up stronger and stronger. It makes the game stale, and people leave as a result.

Raid Boss - Similar improvements with rewards should be here too, though probably not for within the guild. I particularly like the way the rewards improve as the guild gets more points. As far as aesthetics go, there should be differentiation between the levels of raid bosses (i.e. bosses grow larger or have more armor or weapons at higher levels).

Make dodges/misses more predictable - They're really annoying because they are so random. Include a statistic for them, with better armors more able to prevent misses/enable dodges. Just some way players could better strategize and prevent their missing (or have their opponents miss more often). Also a better animation for them would be nice. I can't even tell if it's a miss or dodge. Sheesh.

Contests - A game company that reaches out to its loyal fans and players shows its dedication to them, which will keep older players and attract new ones. GREE should hold contests where they ask players for ideas/designs for upcoming epic bosses, raid bosses and epic armors. Those players whose ideas or designs were chosen could win gems, fusion armors, or even the armor that they designed.

That's all I have for now. I was high and bored enough to create an account just to write this all out. I hope someone at GREE reads this, but I'm a little bit too cynical to say that I hope to see any of these suggestions in the game anytime soon. Thanks for taking the time to read this, though.

-Mundum

[sxespanky]

for anyone who keeps asking why i complain, its because i liked this game a lot - that's why i am upset, this game has had no change since it came out - weekly epic bosses - same map. the few things they have added was

-guild wars(fusion and regular)
- new arena setup least year
-EB events (maybe 4-5 total)
- crafting event (once)
-this recent orc raid

that's not a great update sheet. any game that's been around this long has a update sheet at least a few pages long. this is a sad game that needs a team to come back, and add some serious content. nearly every game company who is serious about the games they make have patch notes, which let the community know, hey this is now craft-able, hey we updated this. its just great PR to show they care and are updating. that's one thing gree is missing, PR, their public relations person. im not ust saying one guy who comes on the forum every now and then, im talking someone who is eployed full time to monitor forums, monitor the twitter, the facebook, the one grabbing the foot notes on the new updates from the devs and making sure everyone knows whats up. your making the money Gree, ire this one person, maybe 2, and see how much more "fun" this adds to the game. i promise you a world of change.

[Fossil]

Changes have come, some were executed better than others. While the recent Raid concept fell short, certain aspects of it addressed problems or desires expressed by the community. Some of these were: only HC or above could declare (scout), personal awards linked to participation (resulting in diminished rewards for leeches), and the absence of alliances and strip battles to name a few. Perfection? Not hardly but I do see it as a sign that GREE is listening. Maybe they can find a way to incorporate some of those features in the regular Epic Wars.


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[sxespanky]

but in 2 years, its not a lot to say look what we did. they might listen, it shouldn't take 6 plus months to see a minor change - they had issues with stripping and leaches last summer

the other one thing that i absolutly hate about this game, is when i was playing, i would sit there and farm snake skin for hours. mindlessly hit the level while watching tv, or whatever i was doing to get each EB leveled to get a EB plus leveld as well that week. thats not playing this game. ive played games where you farm a little, its tedious at times. but when the entire game is just farming. that's not a game. they need to fix the leveling system in this game.

[Fossil]

Yeah, the farming part of the game is monotonous

[shadowshoot]

At least they try to improove a little , and fossil is right , they listen to some of the comunity voices. I beleve raid bosses was a positive event and with a good ideea start. Sxespanky have a point , i am so tired of that damn skeleton tomb ...
If they want to improove the game they need take a position becouse in this moment i see players leaving the game.

[Fossil]

Maybe an automatic level up for armor based on time that can be hastened by enhancement

[shadowshoot]

Yes , that can work , with some gold to start the timecount or to make the timer to work , no gold-no upgrade

[Alexistheking124]

Maybe an automatic level up for armor based on time that can be hastened by enhancement

I can see this as an expanded kingdom building. Perhaps a building run by Gwen?

[Fossil]

In addition to the recent expansion of armor slots, how about additional attack/defense points for levels over 100? Nothing dramatic, but maybe 1 attk/def point added to your knights for every 10 levels over 100? Set a max gain of 25-30 to keep it from being too much of an advantage.

[shadowshoot]

In addition to the recent expansion of armor slots, how about additional attack/defense points for levels over 100? Nothing dramatic, but maybe 1 attk/def point added to your knights for every 10 levels over 100? Set a max gain of 25-30 to keep it from being too much of an advantage.

Yes , this was already asked in a another post and can be a good ideea to make players to lv up , to play more. Also a dedicated player can balance this way the abisal diference betwin some gears. I think is bad to cap the gain at 25-30. If some1 work hard to be lv 1000 them he deserve the power gained , meaning a +100 in stats. And if you do the math is not so much in the end for some 1 who is realy active and work hard.

[Bonaya]

They sure did a great job on the art of the new upcoming epic armors and raid armors. Gold Chromatic could have been something nicer..

Contact me on LINE for the armors ;)

EDIT: Ooh, and by the way, the reward for the Celestial Dragons event will be a cape.. Ugly useless cape...

[MiniMod]

EDIT: Ooh, and by the way, the reward for the Celestial Dragons event will be a cape.. Ugly useless cape...

There usually is a cape. And they've always been useless. And sometimes they are ugly. In some cases they surprisingly work well with armors you never would have imagined.

Of course, the idea has been proposed hundreds of times over to give them a stat boost, to add another element of strategy to the game: +crit, +first strike, +damage, etc... But, that will never change. Or if it does, it will take another year.

[Marco_]

ive played games where you farm a little, its tedious at times. but when the entire game is just farming. that's not a game. they need to fix the leveling system in this game.
As far as I know GREE is Japanese and JRPGs are famous for often being grindfests, so I guess GREE disagrees that grinding is not a game. ;)
The mobile/tablet game I'm more playing right now is much more of a grindfest, since there are multiple resources needed to improve your heroes to farm, farm, farm to not get bottlenecked on them.
Even GREE's own Rage of Immortals is much more of a grindfest: for best result you max out 8 of the same hero and combine them 2-by-2, combine the 4 results 2-by-2, combine the 2 remaining into 1 super hero. (and then that helps you to get further on boss and arena to get better heroes to again combine in sets of 4-8...)

[busteroaf]

Would we rather have a game where there are so many events, you don't even use your stamina for leveling? You're constantly so busy using stamina to farm event areas/missions that give the tiniest of XP... so much that you don't level, hardly ever? Or if you do try to level, you're blowing potions/vials to regenerate your "free" whatever, so that you can gain feeder armor/cards?

That gets old too, and most of those games are based around events, even though you could argue its still a farm-grind style game. They always are.

All these games are time-sinks, with a fancy skin on a gambling mechanic.

[Damoc]

Theese are some ideas concerning K&D future evolution

1 rework chest rewards to make it interesting to open one.
In the current state spending gems on a chest is just unrewarding. This is what should and shouldn't be in the chests

Silver chest: a set of 3 basic armors, 1 uncomon + armor, pieces of rare armors, fusion stones (1 to 3), gems (3 to 5), potions, 1 gold key
what shouldn't be in : pieces of uncommon armors

Gold chest: 1 rare + armor, 1 super rare armor, pieces of ultra rare and legendary armors, 1 fusion boost armor, fusion stones (5 to 10), gems(7 To 15), 1 Dark prince key
what shouldn't be in : uncommon armors, pieces of rare armors

Dark prince chest : 1 ultra rare + armor, 1 legendary armor, 1 nemesis armor, 3 fusion boost armor, Upgrade Stone (*), gems (20 - 40), 1 epic chest key,summoning key (*)
what shouldn't be in : super rare armors
(*) see below


Epic chest: 1 legendary + armor, 1 epic, 1 epic + armor, 5 fusion boost armor, 3 upgrade stone, gems (50 -75), summoning Key (5-10)
What shouldn't be in : super rare armors, ultra rare armors

Explication: Super rare armors are truly junk... nowadays. In the erra of epic armors, two stars armors are just plain irritating to get in a advanced chest. These super rare armors are fusable from uncommon armors, are generaly weaker than craftable rare + armors and give at most 5O fusion xp at most... Today epic chest cost 45 gems to open quite pumped from last year 20-30... for 45 gems I really don't want to get junk.
Please have some consideration Gree

2 get rid of failed and critical hits. Replace them whith hits at 80% and 120%. There will still be some randomness but far less frustration. It will also give the special attack some special back

3 add a new tactical choice in combat : special defense. When you use it you take only 50% damage on the next attack and it empties the special move bar, making it a choice between offense and defense

4 add a difficulty stage call it "insane" to each dungeon. Insane difficulty stages unlock only when you get the dethroner achievement.
The loot in this stages allows to built legendary level armors of the elements of the dungeon except for Insane Dark Prince that would be starmetal

5 upgrading armors to + version: this would require 1 uprgrade stones mentioned previously, 2 fusion boost armors one of each element of the armor to upgrade or two of the same element if the armor to upgrade has a single element and a half enhanced or above armor to upgrade. it would cost gold and give a lvl 1 + armor

6 Summoning keys mentioned previously allow for summoning epic bosses at the summoning stone using the key instead of the gems

7 add a starmetal boost armor

8 expand the marketplace with some items like fusion stones, fusion boost armors gems... to get them against gold... You know the maximum gold a castle can produce a day... you can tune the prices accordingly

9 give some buildings an new purpose. Today, high end castle look all the same : a maximum of training fields. You could promote diversity by adding new uses for buildings... Gem garden could produce gems, Other buldings could have synergistic abilities like for example monster nest give +20% gold in 1 training field, Training field give +50% in 3 taverns and so on...

10 Ask an artist to redraw the world map so that the different zones blend with its neighbours, making it a world, not a puzzle