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Mr llama
07-07-2014, 12:48 PM
So attacked someone 9 mill under me won 7 lost the last one. Could someone explain how I would lose with 9 mill higher stats.
Mods think you could get an answer on how attacks are calculated so that maybe a stat based game could be less of a guessing game

{Kill Joy}
07-07-2014, 12:49 PM
i lost to someone 50m lower.

MENTALLY INCOMPETENT
07-07-2014, 12:53 PM
So attacked someone 9 mill under me won 7 lost the last one. Could someone explain how I would lose with 9 mill higher stats.
Mods think you could get an answer on how attacks are calculated so that maybe a stat based game could be less of a guessing game


Uhh, magic maybe?

Ajk
07-07-2014, 12:53 PM
They can't (won't) disclose company "intellectual property". (Come on you have to admit that was funny)

Sumiala
07-07-2014, 12:55 PM
So attacked someone 9 mill under me won 7 lost the last one. Could someone explain how I would lose with 9 mill higher stats.
Mods think you could get an answer on how attacks are calculated so that maybe a stat based game could be less of a guessing game

This has been raised so many times in the past I am surprised you raised it again.
It happens.

Mr llama
07-07-2014, 12:58 PM
This has been raised so many times in the past I am surprised you raised it again.
It happens.I know I felt like it need some attention again. After two years I'm still no closer to understanding lol

Mr llama
07-07-2014, 12:59 PM
i lost to someone 50m lower.Thats just ridiculous....ok I don't feel as bad now :)

Web323
07-07-2014, 12:59 PM
Thats just ridiculous....ok I don't feel as bad now :)

Try 150 million difference

SPWD
07-07-2014, 01:27 PM
Try 300m FFS

Domino_brown
07-07-2014, 01:35 PM
Every time you attack somebody there is a random multiplier applied to both of your stats.
It can be anywhere from -15% to + 15% . The multiplier is different for you and your opponent , and changes every attack.

Also , wizards ;)

GrimAmoeba
07-07-2014, 01:36 PM
Its the rule of 82%, pretty accurate and never lost that way!!

Thief
07-07-2014, 08:00 PM
Yea basically I've seen 10 percent higher stats you can still loose 1/4
15 percent higher stats you can still loose 1/10
20 percent higher and I've never lost

When your talking stats in the billion it adds up quickly

Adm. J(K96)
07-07-2014, 08:48 PM
Saying you lost to someone xxx less than you tells us nothing. As things are percentage based at least tell us the A/D of you and your opponent.

lemonhaze
07-07-2014, 09:02 PM
i lost to someone 50m lower.
i cant get 4 wins in a row unless im 175m higher which makes no sense..lost 1 today in wd and he was 105m lower lol and llama im same as u i been here since funzio days and i still dont understand it either bud

CaptainAwesome
07-07-2014, 09:38 PM
I just got attacked by someone with 15mil attack. I have 214mil defense. I lost multiple times. Wtf? Also how does this guy have 15mil attack and 747mil defense?

Danger Mouse
07-07-2014, 09:49 PM
I just got attacked by someone with 15mil attack. I have 214mil defense. I lost multiple times. Wtf? Also how does this guy have 15mil attack and 747mil defense?

Most likely they actually have over 1Bn attack but Gree ran out of numbers for the stats

Mr llama
07-07-2014, 09:50 PM
llama im same as u i been here since funzio days and i still dont understand it either budthe good old days, when you didn't need a device glued to your hand 24 hours a day to compete lol

Mr llama
07-07-2014, 09:51 PM
Most likely they actually have over 1Bn attack but Gree ran out of numbers for the statsWas going to ask if it was a billion and just the glitch in numbers
Is there anyway to tell beside losing to them?

Danger Mouse
07-07-2014, 10:26 PM
Was going to ask if it was a billion and just the glitch in numbers
Is there anyway to tell beside losing to them?

The apparent massive discrepancy between low(?) attack and high defence is what I use. Other than that, only going through their inventory with a calculator..........

Mr llama
07-07-2014, 11:30 PM
The apparent massive discrepancy between low(?) attack and high defence is what I use. Other than that, only going through their inventory with a calculator..........Man I hate asking stupid questions to such smart person

JCL
07-07-2014, 11:49 PM
Let's just say no one who works for Gree is or was a math major in college. Nuff said. (Or Computer Sciences, or Software Engineering, or...)

Cause a big spinning wheel of random chance didn't test well with the focus groups?

Because the dragons who keep track sometimes get sleepy and stop watching the Internets web wide world thingy.

Danger Mouse
07-08-2014, 12:07 AM
Because the dragons who keep track sometimes get sleepy and stop watching the Internets web wide world thingy.

Considering everyone at Gree are certified geniuses in every aspect of the business, this has to be the answer! Thanks! :D

Mcdoc
07-08-2014, 12:25 AM
With 1.2 billion attack - 15% is 180 million - so when people say - QUALIFY YOUR CLAIM with your defense stats and their attack stats - that's why they want to know - so someone can do the 15% math and shed some light on why 50 million or 180 million difference sounds like a legit loss.

So in my case - if in an extreme "random" multiplier I got the -15% and my opponent with 714m defense got the +15% - that could be 180 million plus 180 million - or 360 million difference that could result in a loss on my part.

Or or at least that's a stab at how I understand it to work :/

buckshot
07-08-2014, 06:25 AM
Because on any given day, even David can beat Goliath. No one is invincible.

Mastert55!
07-08-2014, 08:33 AM
I just got attacked by someone with 15mil attack. I have 214mil defense. I lost multiple times. Wtf? Also how does this guy have 15mil attack and 747mil defense?

It was 1.5 billion mate

robmurphy
07-08-2014, 08:39 AM
As most people are mentioning, there is a random multiplier within the algorithm. Gree explain this is to represent the "Dice Roll" element of gaming.

This allows outrageous victories and heart-breaking losses, which happen in other games. Like me, 99.9% of this forum would have played D&D, WoW or some other game where dice rolls create noble victories or numbing defeats.

The fact you are all telling your stories of these numbing losses means Gree have got this one spot on.......

K4S
07-08-2014, 10:52 AM
I have lost to plenty of opponents with 50-75m stats lower then mine. Especially in WD. U typically want to be at least 15-20% higher then ur opponent when attacking. Raids are a little different still. I can raid opponents up to 10-15% higher then me no problem may fail every once in a wile. I have raided players as high as 30% higher but fail a lot more raids. The higher the stats climb the more of a gap is created but percentages stay fairly close.