200million or 20 million???

[Carloco]

What do you want the new LTB to be?? What does the community say???

[Carloco]

My bad fixed it

[Dubstik]

What do you want the new LTB to be?? What does the community say???

The community says: Stfu and stop making more pointless LTB threads.

[Nighteg]

When did they ever listen to the community? There are simple things that we literally been asking for years.

[Vasari]

I think it is time for a cheaper ltb the higher iph people have been served well the last few cycles we need something for newer players once in a while.

[sister morphine]

New players have laundromats and pizza parlours, lol

[Dipstik]

Players are idiots... Don't fall for this.

[Da Don]

I hope they make it 400 million to build.. It really doesn't matter how cheap/expensive it will be tho, there's always someone crying about it

[namedud]

Cheap LTBs offer nothing to the game because the payout is so low that a) nobody wants to rob them, and b) they won't make you any significant amount of cash to reinvest. They are essentially a way for people who've invested little to no time or energy (thought) into building their hoods, to get tens of thousands of stats and a stacking +1% mod for cheaper than the cost of stocking up on the top tier store equipment.

So basically, free prizes for sucking at the game and continuing to suck at the game, because your cheap LTBs take all your upgrade time leaving you with no ability to upgrade something that will actually be useful for you.

[reticlover]

I hope they make it 400 million to build.. It really doesn't matter how cheap/expensive it will be tho, there's always someone crying about it

i agree what u said. high iph players will complain about a cheap ltb. low iph will complain about a high priced ltb. gree should offer both. and which ever u buy first. the other goes away. thus giving both what they want

[mr.c]

The community says: Stfu and stop making more pointless LTB threads.

I'm part of this community and I say for you to STFU! Players like you with your "I'm better than everyone" attitudes are a cancer on this forum. This topic/thread is a good one, its a legit question with a poll looking for feedback. What would you rather see, another SAS vs/ TAW thread with 12+ pages? Please.

[mr.c]

Players are idiots... Don't fall for this.

See my previous post to your doppleganger

[mr.c]

i agree what u said. high iph players will complain about a cheap ltb. low iph will complain about a high priced ltb. gree should offer both. and which ever u buy first. the other goes away. thus giving both what they want

I really like this idea, there should be 2 different LTB's at the same time so that players of ALL levels can take part

[Dipstik]

I really like this idea, there should be 2 different LTB's at the same time so that players of ALL levels can take part

Pretty much confirming how terrible the idea is...

[mr.c]

Pretty much confirming how terrible the idea is...

And why is that exactly? Not everyone that plays this game is in your position. Many new members have no chance at obtaining the high priced LTBs. Why shouldn't there be 2? One for new and veteran players at the same time? They do it with LTQ's. A beginner LTQ and an regluar/elite LTQ.

[mr.c]

Aannnnd crickets from the "great" Dipstick. What a surprise, when he doesn't have some high horsed one lined comment to make he doesn't have anything to say at all

[Simon.]

And why is that exactly? Not everyone that plays this game is in your position. Many new members have no chance at obtaining the high priced LTBs. Why shouldn't there be 2? One for new and veteran players at the same time? They do it with LTQ's. A beginner LTQ and an regluar/elite LTQ.

Because the point is, you're supposed to work your way to a level where you can afford the LTB. If you've got an IPH of 90k and can't afford the 4mil to build a Russian Restaurant, what right do you have to get an LTB building worth 100-150mil? If you want it, buy money with Gold - Gold is used to buy stuff you don't earn.

The LTB is designed as a 'veteran' LTQ anyway IMO - not for beginners

[mr.c]

Because the point is, you're supposed to work your way to a level where you can afford the LTB. If you've got an IPH of 90k and can't afford the 4mil to build a Russian Restaurant, what right do you have to get an LTB building worth 100-150mil? If you want it, buy money with Gold - Gold is used to buy stuff you don't earn.

The LTB is designed as a 'veteran' LTQ anyway IMO - not for beginners

Well ur right about one thing, that is YOUR opinion. So new players have no "right" to LTB's unless their spending a ton of gold? What a crock. If Gree didnt care about new players then why have the beginners LTQ's? Why? It's because Gree realizes that new(er) players want a chance as well. The same should be true with LTB's. Thanks for speaking up on Dipsticks behalf, but you've not furthered ur ignorant point of view at all.

[mr.c]

And who says a beginner LTB has to have some worth 100-150million anyway? I'm sure it would be adjusted accordingly

[namedud]

The point is that by participating in an LTB event you hope to get prizes for upgrades using in game cash, and these prizes offer tens of thousands of raw stats and a stacking +1% mod. Good items like LTB and SLTQ items that are available for game cash should never be "cheap" if they are that strong, and especially not if they have mods (whether they stack or not).

The high priced LTB not only offers one of the few actual challenges left in this game, but also makes the prizes a bit more exclusive to those who've been diligently upgrading their hood economies. When the LTB is cheap, everyone can get very decent items at basically no cost. This offers no challenge, probably doesn't make Gree a lot of money, and everyone ends up with a lot of LTB items which really devalues them. That's not even taking into account that cheap buildings have cheap payouts, and it's really inconvenient (and backwards) to spend all that upgrade time on a building that isn't even going to improve your economy by very much.

The only reason there is a beginner mode for some of the LTQs is because when you are just beginning you will have had a limited number of skill points to invest into energy. It's not until around level 30 that most people will even have earned enough skill points to get their money's worth on an energy refill.

[namedud]

Players are idiots... Don't fall for this.

Based on the current poll tally, 6/23/2014 0039 PDT, 82% of voters are in agreement.

I know the sample size is laughable compared to the number of players in game, but there appear to be many more views to this thread than replies, which shows there is at least an interest in the matter.

Mr. Dip, at risk of eating my own foot, if I am not mistaken, you are in agreement with the current poll standings. Is this correct?

[Simon.]

Well ur right about one thing, that is YOUR opinion. So new players have no "right" to LTB's unless their spending a ton of gold? What a crock. If Gree didnt care about new players then why have the beginners LTQ's? Why? It's because Gree realizes that new(er) players want a chance as well. The same should be true with LTB's. Thanks for speaking up on Dipsticks behalf, but you've not furthered ur ignorant point of view at all.

Maybe "No right" is a bit harsh, but seriously, if everyone is on an even playing field, where's the reward for time and effort? What I'm saying is, if you want to jump ahead instead of building and earning your way to affording the LTB, spend gold, otherwise, tough luck, do the hard yards and save your pennies - you get to play with big boys on the footy field when you're strong enough to get out of the sandpit.

Oh and I almost forgot, ignorant point of view? I though it was rather well informed, we'll I spose it doesn't matter what anyone says - looking at the rest of your posts, looks like your out to pick a fight anyway - you can have the sand bucket my friend, I'm off to play footy!

[mr.c]

The point is that by participating in an LTB event you hope to get prizes for upgrades using in game cash, and these prizes offer tens of thousands of raw stats and a stacking +1% mod. Good items like LTB and SLTQ items that are available for game cash should never be "cheap" if they are that strong, and especially not if they have mods (whether they stack or not).

The high priced LTB not only offers one of the few actual challenges left in this game, but also makes the prizes a bit more exclusive to those who've been diligently upgrading their hood economies. When the LTB is cheap, everyone can get very decent items at basically no cost. This offers no challenge, probably doesn't make Gree a lot of money, and everyone ends up with a lot of LTB items which really devalues them. That's not even taking into account that cheap buildings have cheap payouts, and it's really inconvenient (and backwards) to spend all that upgrade time on a building that isn't even going to improve your economy by very much.

The only reason there is a beginner mode for some of the LTQs is because when you are just beginning you will have had a limited number of skill points to invest into energy. It's not until around level 30 that most people will even have earned enough skill points to get their money's worth on an energy refill.

Thank you for your well thought out and respectful response, it does make alot of sense.

[mr.c]

Maybe "No right" is a bit harsh, but seriously, if everyone is on an even playing field, where's the reward for time and effort? What I'm saying is, if you want to jump ahead instead of building and earning your way to affording the LTB, spend gold, otherwise, tough luck, do the hard yards and save your pennies - you get to play with big boys on the footy field when you're strong enough to get out of the sandpit.

Oh and I almost forgot, ignorant point of view? I though it was rather well informed, we'll I spose it doesn't matter what anyone says - looking at the rest of your posts, looks like your out to pick a fight anyway - you can have the sand bucket my friend, I'm off to play footy!

Your right that was a bit harsh, I was kinda fired up last night. Thank you for your well thought out responses as well. As for myself being out to pick a fight-only against all these a-holes who feel it's their job around here to mock, ridicule, insult, talk down to and make fun of other members' legit posts just because they feel their "better" somehow than everyone else.

[Vasari]

There is an issue with a constant stream of expensive ltbs changing the economy of the game. Those that can afford them buy them and get ever ever richer whilst newer players that cannot get left further an further behind. The richer players then demand ever more expensive ltbs. If this trend continues a player starting soon would have no hope of ever buying one. The new ltbs are in effect a form of iph inflation for the older players and a disincentive to new players which can't be good in the long term.

[namedud]

There is an issue with a constant stream of expensive ltbs changing the economy of the game. Those that can afford them buy them and get ever ever richer whilst newer players that cannot get left further an further behind.

These "rich" players who can afford expensive LTBs have little or nothing else to upgrade. Should the most successful players in the game be penalized or offered no further avenues towards improvement?



The richer players then demand ever more expensive ltbs.

Nah, they don't need to be "ever more expensive". They just need to be expensive enough that Joe "afraid to get robbed" Blow can't get more items (plus mods) than he deserves for not upgrading his hood.


If this trend continues a player starting soon would have no hope of ever buying one.

So? New players have it real easy as far as all the other events are concerned. Easier epic boss tiers at lower levels, easier to score decent points in wars at lower levels, supposedly better odds in box events, etc. Longtime players really get screwed most of the time.

All the "original" buildings are still available, and all the players you're jealous of had to build and upgrade a lot of them to get where they are now. What makes new players feel so entitled that they should get to skip ahead and easily catch up to people who have literally been upgrading for years?


The new ltbs are in effect a form of iph inflation for the older players and a disincentive to new players which can't be good in the long term.

The "new" LTBs are a way to encourage many aspects of the game. Better buildings mean better robbery opportunities, better collections for syndicate donations, better collections for personal IPH upgrades, increased hood development strategy, etc.

"Cheap" LTBs offer worthless payouts, both for someone collecting in full and for someone looking for a robbery. Spending weeks on end upgrading a building worth nothing, for items worth just slightly more than nothing (in the grand scheme), is very, very pointless.

Why not grind through being a beginner, as you would be required to do in any other game or even real life job, and accept that those who came before you are more advanced in terms of game/career experience?

[Vasari]

I am not jealous I was making a point and I stick by it. In fact I have been able to get the ltbs.

My point is not that you shouldn't have to work over time to be able to get the ltbs but that it should be possible to do so if you put the effort in. The cycle of price escalation demanded by some players would render this impossible for new starters.

[bravo 6 vk]

If you don't have cash for the LTB, get your NCs up and save. Not everyone is supposed to have one.

[OmgMileyCyrus]

If you don't have cash for the LTB, get your NCs up and save. Not everyone is supposed to have one.

Agree. Both of my NCs are 10 now. I missed out on a lot of ltbs, but now I can afford them all.

[Winnson]

I'd like to see a cheaper sport thing like the basketball court / skating rink. I was thinking football pitch (cement of course) because of the World Cup.

The rich kids can dump the money for this LTB into their syndicates to max their upgrades quicker, and I get a cement football pitch for my hood.

It's win/win.

[Vasari]

Agree. Both of my NCs are 10 now. I missed out on a lot of ltbs, but now I can afford them all.

Which is fine but by the time a player starting now gets two lvl 10 NCs ltbs will be 2 billion if the escalation party gets their way and they still wouldn't be able to get one.

If ltbs are going to continue to increase in price at least introduce more expensive normal buildings to enable new players to build a base of income outside of the ltbs. I am not saying it should be easy just that it should be possible.

[DavidtheBoo]

Most of The people who want a cheap ltb just cant build up a decent iph, but They wont tell it.
It should be expensive so that long time players who were smart and have invested in their hood can get a stat increase which the new players cant, which is fair.

[OmgMileyCyrus]

Which is fine but by the time a player starting now gets two lvl 10 NCs ltbs will be 2 billion if the escalation party gets their way and they still wouldn't be able to get one.

If ltbs are going to continue to increase in price at least introduce more expensive normal buildings to enable new players to build a base of income outside of the ltbs. I am not saying it should be easy just that it should be possible.
Even if that we're the case, with 2 level 10 NCs you could easily afford a 2b ltb, and secondly, by that time syn bonuses would probably be maxed saving you tons of money. But it's very unlikely there will be a 2b ltb anytime soon.

[therealbengie]

Agree. Both of my NCs are 10 now. I missed out on a lot of ltbs, but now I can afford them all.

that was a silly mistake, should have been buying those LTB's buddy.

[TGebs]

I know I'm new here but why don't they just make different tiered buildings. Other events have the easy, rare, and epic challenges so why can't LTBs also. The rewards would be scaled down to the difficulty of the challenge along with the income, this would allow everyone an opportunity to gain something.

[OmgMileyCyrus]

that was a silly mistake, should have been buying those LTB's buddy.

Why is that?

[therealbengie]

because by missing out on the last few LTB's you have missed some great buildings.

[OmgMileyCyrus]

because by missing out on the last few LTB's you have missed some great buildings.
I meant all the old ones, NIS, Pagoda, WSFG, DM, SS, TB etc etc.

And for the next few months I'll only be upgrading both tattoo parlors, then, depending on new ltbs, I'll finish my teahouses

[General Dudus]

i don't care what price it is put some worth while prizes in it

[therealbengie]

pagoda are TB good buildings, my L10 pagoda's payout 30.88mil each a day on an easily kept time table. the NIS and WSFG are less collectable but also payout nice amounts, I have a 1&6 WSFG that payout over 30mil a cycle and 1&5 NIS that payout 15mil between them.

all of the recent 12/24 buildings are great!

[namedud]

that was a silly mistake, should have been buying those LTB's buddy.

At nearly three years in and only $22m IPH, you're the expert about making silly mistakes with their hood development. Anyone who takes your advice where IPH is concerned is taking a crash course in silly mistakes.

If you can't afford something like an LTB, going out of your way to get it only accomplishes one thing. Making sure your bank is at or near $0. That doesn't exactly put you in a comfortable spot for future cash needs, and it certainly doesn't help you do any meaningful upgrades.


Which is fine but by the time a player starting now gets two lvl 10 NCs ltbs will be 2 billion if the escalation party gets their way and they still wouldn't be able to get one.

If ltbs are going to continue to increase in price at least introduce more expensive normal buildings to enable new players to build a base of income outside of the ltbs. I am not saying it should be easy just that it should be possible.

Where's this escalation party you keep talking about? I can't seem to find any threads specifically calling for LTBs to be increasingly expensive.

[Miss Soprano]

Make it 1 billion dollars!

[therealbengie]

At nearly three years in and only $22m IPH, you're the expert about making silly mistakes with their hood development. Anyone who takes your advice where IPH is concerned is taking a crash course in silly mistakes.

If you can't afford something like an LTB, going out of your way to get it only accomplishes one thing. Making sure your bank is at or near $0. That doesn't exactly put you in a comfortable spot for future cash needs, and it certainly doesn't help you do any meaningful upgrades.



Where's this escalation party you keep talking about? I can't seem to find any threads specifically calling for LTBs to be increasingly expensive.


did I say I was an expert you stupid troll?!? seriously you're like a broken f'ing record, all you ever do is belittle others and brag about having higher meaningless numbers on a phone game. I've told you before more than once that although I've been playing for nearly 3 years I only started working my IPH just over a year ago, ~feb 2013 I had an IPH of 1mil, 15-16months later its 22mil

I don't know why I bother with this forum anymore, mods don't post info anymore and it's just full of argumentative idiots like yourself that just want to jump down others throats for not spending as much money as you do to make your stats "better".

have fun bragging about pixels and calling each other stupid for not spending as much on gold as you.

bye.

[namedud]

I'm a free player.

You mad, bro?

[Vasari]

Where's this escalation party you keep talking about? I can't seem to find any threads specifically calling for LTBs to be increasingly expensive.[/QUOTE]

Admittedly I am extrapolating. But on the basis that the richer people get the more expensive buildings they want and more expensive buildings will only make them richer it the the logical conclusion to this line of argument.

[OmgMileyCyrus]

Where's this escalation party you keep talking about? I can't seem to find any threads specifically calling for LTBs to be increasingly expensive.

Admittedly I am extrapolating. But on the basis that the richer people get the more expensive buildings they want and more expensive buildings will only make them richer it the the logical conclusion to this line of argument.[/QUOTE]

No it's not, when the WSFG came out, it was 80-90m if I remember correctly, that was at least a year ago.

[namedud]

Admittedly I am extrapolating. But on the basis that the richer people get the more expensive buildings they want and more expensive buildings will only make them richer it the the logical conclusion to this line of argument.

The "richer" people want more expensive buildings because it's taken a significant amount of time and planning to get to their level. This isn't the same as saying they want each building to be more expensive than the last. It's more like saying they've invested a lot of time and effort to be where they are, and making the LTB available to players who have spent little or no time upgrading and planning their hoods devalues the LTB prizes, devalues the importance of having a strong economy, and devalues the time it takes to build that strong economy.

[Bballnevastopz]

i agree what u said. high iph players will complain about a cheap ltb. low iph will complain about a high priced ltb. gree should offer both. and which ever u buy first. the other goes away. thus giving both what they want

This is the greatest idea I have heard

[namedud]

... I've been playing for nearly 3 years I only started working my IPH just over a year ago...

that was a silly mistake, should have been building that economy buddy.

[Kitty McPurr]

Where's this escalation party you keep talking about? I can't seem to find any threads specifically calling for LTBs to be increasingly expensive.

Except the thread you are directly commenting in right now is asking for an increase in the current 2month trend. Don't get me wrong, I agree LTB's can be expensive. just sayin'.

[namedud]

Except the thread you are directly commenting in right now is asking for an increase in the current 2month trend. Don't get me wrong, I agree LTB's can be expensive. just sayin'.

This thread is asking what people think the next LTB should cost and provides two options as potential answers. None of the actual discussion here says that each LTB needs to be more expensive than the last one. The poll could use a few more options, but it seems like more of a rhetorical question (which is kind of weird for a poll, but that's a different discussion). I think OP was just looking to see if people like expensive LTBs or cheap ones.

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

make it cost 1 bil, and buy as many as you want!!! I'll get me ten!!!

[FlyMeMoon]

If ltbs are going to continue to increase in price at least introduce more expensive normal buildings to enable new players to build a base of income outside of the ltbs. I am not saying it should be easy just that it should be possible.

This is a good point, the current buildings are so last century.

[FlyMeMoon]

I've voted for a more expensive building because Im 'gree'dy. If the cheapos come along I don't mind I'll just upgrade my current buildings and get even more richer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdvUR67nZs0

[Institution]

i agree what u said. high iph players will complain about a cheap ltb. low iph will complain about a high priced ltb. gree should offer both. and which ever u buy first. the other goes away. thus giving both what they want Not a bad idea at all, they should have three tiers of buildings in the same sense you said this. One cheap building, something for about 50-300m. Then a crazy expensive building to start off people like 1b for it.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

It might be a semi-good paying laundromat

[FlyMeMoon]

How about an affordable 15 or 20 level building with shorter upgrade times so people with small incomes can still buy while people with high incomes can do the higher upgrades. Everyone's a winner and we'll live happily ever after... the end!