leeching problem solved

[King juju]

1. Preset minimums by gm that cannot be changed 12 hours before war. Giving people time to leave if they want.
2. No reward if preset minimum is not met.
3. Leeching solved.

[TagTilYouDrop]

Seems like a pretty stable way of eliminating leeching. An option to set one or not could be nice too, for those lower guilds who do not gem on the regular and if someone is busy with something else over the weekend.

[frostman27]

Yes like the ideal but lets say one of your top players puts up all but a few 1000 points shy of min and all the sudden has a serious family or work matter and is unable to Finnish putting in the minimum by the end of the war would you really like to see this player not get the prize this player may be a player that normally puts up well above minimum and and helps keep the guild strong say maybe it you do you not want the epic . Just a fault in this but do like the ideal tho

[furyp]

@frostman27, leech also has family emergency problem and all kinds of bullsh it. Your top player could also be a leech.

[King juju]

Yes like the ideal but lets say one of your top players puts up all but a few 1000 points shy of min and all the sudden has a serious family or work matter and is unable to Finnish putting in the minimum by the end of the war would you really like to see this player not get the prize this player may be a player that normally puts up well above minimum and and helps keep the guild strong say maybe it you do you not want the epic . Just a fault in this but do like the ideal tho
Not really our problem. If u don't meet required points you're a leech. And like he said...All major leeches use the same excuse.

[King juju]

Plus (in dk atleast) if I had a major issue and couldn't post last 20k points. I'd just let my gm do it for me.

[King Lou]

Leeching is a problem and if this idea was applied it would help. If you set a minimum dont make it so high that you have to be there whole war. Exp, if you require 5k per day avg. make the minimum 10k. Gives a chance in case of emergency, but also forces a leecher to either put up some tolerable number or leave before the war. Problem solved.

[Kangaroeland]

Totally agreed

[Adisty]

Instead of points earned, it could be number of attacks.

[holydinges2]

Instead of points earned, it could be number of attacks.

it could be both or a choice

like this idea it could really end leeching

[King juju]

Points are better. Hit the minimum. Even if it's only like 100k.

[Dianish]

Points are better. Hit the minimum. Even if it's only like 100k.



I got to admit you made me laugh.. "Only like 100k".. That's clearly not for everyone. Not everyone wastes that much $ on the game.

[theagrodelous]

I dislike leaches with a passion kick they and find new ppl

[King juju]

I got to admit you made me laugh.. "Only like 100k".. That's clearly not for everyone. Not everyone wastes that much $ on the game.

100k isn't alot..like what 700 gems? I dunno. For big guilds having at least 100k-150k min will Def get leeches to pay up.

[tdunks]

This would be a great idea the only thing that I would possibly add is if the GM could go through and decide if say some one is within 5k of min wether they get it or not.

[SuiBian88]

This would be a great idea the only thing that I would possibly add is if the GM could go through and decide if say some one is within 5k of min wether they get it or not.

Great idea, Juju. But would agree with tdunks to add on a little more human touch by allowing GM/GS/GC to decide. Sometimes emergency does happen and you won't want your good player to lose an epic just becoz of that. :)

[shadowshoot]

The ideea in general is good , leechers are a problem but don't espect gree to care about it and even less espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.

[holydinges2]

The ideea in general is good , leechers are a problem but don't espect gree to care about it and even less espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.

why woudnt dk member have a human touch?
becouse they spend more money then u they are inhuman? nice logic there lol

[Marco_]

why woudnt dk member have a human touch?
becouse they spend more money then u they are inhuman? nice logic there lol
Well, it seems that the further money on the line increases the lower consideration of problems of players that prevent them from reaching min becomes... So naturally DK or RR would have lowest consideration for unintentional leeching...

[holydinges2]

Well, it seems that the further money on the line increases the lower consideration of problems of players that prevent them from reaching min becomes... So naturally DK or RR would have lowest consideration for unintentional leeching...

thats why dk and RR dont have direct acces, u have to prove urself in multiple way in there sub guilds that u are trustworthy and can spend the amount needed. this reduces leeching chances by 90% as most leechers wont spend 500$ first to then leech a plus epic and never get a t10 again.

most top 10 or lower guilds cant do this and wil always face the risk of getting a leecher.

[shadowshoot]

Well, it seems that the further money on the line increases the lower consideration of problems of players that prevent them from reaching min becomes... So naturally DK or RR would have lowest consideration for unintentional leeching...

Sory ... not lowest , none at all. They never heard of f2p with min of 5k/d or similar with no gems required ... but they don't think either that a leecher who don't do a min of 5k will NEVER do more and first to get to dk or others top guilds a leecher pass first from lower guilds. Stop leechers down so avoid problems up.

P.S. i spend money too in game and don't have problems with who spend more that me. Good for them. I do have problems when spending money make some people to loose the human side ( haw dk obviously did last ew sending spys (zeus) in furians guild and make him strip ) so... i don't espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.

[holydinges2]

Sory ... not lowest , none at all. They never heard of f2p with min of 5k/d or similar with no gems required ... but they don't think either that a leecher who don't do a min of 5k will NEVER do more and first to get to dk or others top guilds a leecher pass first from lower guilds. Stop leechers down so avoid problems up.

P.S. i spend money too in game and don't have problems with who spend more that me. Good for them. I do have problems when spending money make some people to loose the human side ( haw dk obviously did last ew sending spys (zeus) in furians guild and make him strip ) so... i don't espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.

the action of one, negatively paints the rest.
more awesome negative logic here.

yes what they did was low, but furians could have done some more research before letting him in, it is a war afteral.
did every member in dk agree to this incident? i dont know but i am quite sure the awnser is no.

[King juju]

Sory ... not lowest , none at all. They never heard of f2p with min of 5k/d or similar with no gems required ... but they don't think either that a leecher who don't do a min of 5k will NEVER do more and first to get to dk or others top guilds a leecher pass first from lower guilds. Stop leechers down so avoid problems up.

P.S. i spend money too in game and don't have problems with who spend more that me. Good for them. I do have problems when spending money make some people to loose the human side ( haw dk obviously did last ew sending spys (zeus) in furians guild and make him strip ) so... i don't espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.
Not sure about the details of this...but from what I heard..
What happened was horrible, and alot of people in dk felt bad about it...few even quit.
But it's war..."all is fair in love and war".

[shadowshoot]

Is a top 10 , yes alweis the action of 1 reflect on the all members of a guild at that level , especialy when after that action (requested by leaders) the scam was welcome back in his main guild. I still wander why he is not in leecher list since he LEECHED ... oh wait was a dk member ... yes there the "human" side just f off.
So haw some1 pretend to stop leechers when is sending them around ? Haw he can pretend a "human" side this way ?
To stop lecheer is enaf to give a time kick. If u get kicked out from the guild in first 10 min after war end u get no reward. Easy and simple , no pts minimum , no fights minimum. Only "Human" side.

[King juju]

Is a top 10 , yes alweis the action of 1 reflect on the all members of a guild at that level , especialy when after that action (requested by leaders) the scam was welcome back in his main guild. I still wander why he is not in leecher list since he LEECHED ... oh wait was a dk member ... yes there the "human" side just f off.
So haw some1 pretend to stop leechers when is sending them around ? Haw he can pretend a "human" side this way ?
To stop lecheer is enaf to give a time kick. If u get kicked out from the guild in first 10 min after war end u get no reward. Easy and simple , no pts minimum , no fights minimum. Only "Human" side.


You need to get over this...happens in war bro. If u can't deal...leave top 10.

Someone is more than likely going to pay top 10 money and get top 25 prize...and dk has to look out for the empire..just like rebels look out for their empire.

[shadowshoot]

U should read upper why i pull out this. I don't have problems , since i know my place , my fun and my capacity. I don't have problems with who want to spend money or haw.
Haw i don't espect from gree to care about this i don't espect from a dk member (and i didn't say dk empire but dk member , so limited to some elite players) to have a "human" side (nothing to do with money but with players actions). I keep my statement.

We go off topic so let's go back to our leechers.
The leecher problem have to be looked more in big and not limited to top guilds. Haw was for 11+ movement , if more ask gree for a solution then they will search and find 1 (even if they don't care ).

[EljayK]

I like the idea, but I have to say that in our t25 zone I think number of attacks is better, and choosing which, (attacks or points) is best.

We have a good number of F2P players, who get their gems exclusively in-game and from video offers. Our hardcore players only generate about ~170 gems in the two week span between epic wars. With high activity during a guild war, some of them will get around 50-60k usually. However, one of our highest gem spenders only scores 10k points. Despite a serious lack of gear (which is improving with each war), he makes up for it by scouting other players for us. He can put up over 200 fights just scouting opponents or hard-crashing sentinels so that higher geared members can get serious points in. I wouldn't want a player like that to miss out on getting his rewards because his points were lower, since his actions ensured a large number of points, and wins. Also, he needs to get those rewards to get better, and eventually be one of the serious point placers.

However, giving me (GM) the right to decide if he gets the rewards or not would be a frightening system. I would hate the be a player caught in a power struggle or a political move, where I didn't get my gems just because the GM is having a bad day.

[@ngelica]

Imo it will definetly fix this leech problem.

[shadowshoot]

The min req can be put in bouth pts or nr of fights with the option for gm to choose what he prefer better. Is natural a top10 gm to prefer a amount of pts and a top25 or lower to prefer a amount of fights. Is not hard to implement a option for this even if with gree speed will take some time.

Even the human touch with the power to gm is a option to take in consideration since the gm of a guild is a ruler and have to take the responsability of who he want in his guild and he absolutely can't avoid this responsability.

King Juju put up a good point , we all want leechers out. If we want facts from gree is the neccesity to push up this tread and his ideea.

[holydinges2]

The min req can be put in bouth pts or nr of fights with the option for gm to choose what he prefer better. Is natural a top10 gm to prefer a amount of pts and a top25 or lower to prefer a amount of fights. Is not hard to implement a option for this even if with gree speed will take some time.

Even the human touch with the power to gm is a option to take in consideration since the gm of a guild is a ruler and have to take the responsability of who he want in his guild and he absolutely can't avoid this responsability.

King Juju put up a good point , we all want leechers out. If we want facts from gree is the neccesity to push up this tread and his ideea.

keep loving how he points out that spending alot of money on a game takes away your humanity.

gues i sold my soul to gree or something.

[shadowshoot]

keep loving how he points out that spending alot of money on a game takes away your humanity.

gues i sold my soul to gree or something.

Sory to disapoint you , "she" spend a lot of money on this game too , like you and many others. Every1 is free to value haw much his fun is worthing.
Who go in top 10 have a min req of xxxx pts and have no importance haw many PA he used or haw many fights is loosing , the min req it have to be done. Is natural and benefit alweis a top10 guild if his gm put a min req in points.
Who go in top 25 or lower use tactic , strategy , have worst gear , need to scout the sent , search enemy they can defeat or give info to mates. This diference in play make so that trustfull members of a guild even if they put up many fights do a low amount of points. From this reason is natural a gm il prefer a xxxx nr of fights like min req. In this category u need to count low players that do spend money but are still at the bigining and have low gear , so need to grow up (like u did , or i did)

Anyhaw a counter misure vs leechers is realy neccesary to be found. If you have better ideea please shoot them out.

And btw , we all already sold our souls to gree considering we are still here ;-) so please stop troling and be constructive (if u are capable , proove it , or shut up :D )

[holydinges2]

Sory to disapoint you , "she" spend a lot of money on this game too , like you and many others. Every1 is free to value haw much his fun is worthing.
Who go in top 10 have a min req of xxxx pts and have no importance haw many PA he used or haw many fights is loosing , the min req it have to be done. Is natural and benefit alweis a top10 guild if his gm put a min req in points.
Who go in top 25 or lower use tactic , strategy , have worst gear , need to scout the sent , search enemy they can defeat or give info to mates. This diference in play make so that trustfull members of a guild even if they put up many fights do a low amount of points. From this reason is natural a gm il prefer a xxxx nr of fights like min req. In this category u need to count low players that do spend money but are still at the bigining and have low gear , so need to grow up (like u did , or i did)

Anyhaw a counter misure vs leechers is realy neccesary to be found. If you have better ideea please shoot them out.

And btw , we all already sold our souls to gree considering we are still here ;-) so please stop troling and be constructive (if u are capable , proove it , or shut up :D )

i got a headache trying to translate this to english half way through sorry m8.

as for the ontopic part i already expressed that there should be a combination of points and wins.

as for trolling, calling the people that spend moeny on this game inhuman is more a troll then my comments directed to you.

[shadowshoot]

calling the people that spend moeny on this game inhuman is more a troll then my comments directed to you.

I am sory if some feel offended and i didn't call "people that spend money on this game inhuman" read better :

The ideea in general is good , leechers are a problem but don't espect gree to care about it and even less espect from a dk member to have a "human" touch.

You are doing generalisations , i didn't do them. Read what you say not me :


why woudnt dk member have a human touch?
becouse they spend more money then u they are inhuman? nice logic there lol

DK is only 1 guild / 40 members ... absolutly NOT all "people that spend money on this game". Or maybe you think only DK spend money on this game ? I am not DK but i spend 200€ every month in this game. Who know ... maybe u think i am inhuman too ... duno.

[holydinges2]

"so dont expect a dk memeber to have a human touch" is not a generalisation?, plz stop contradicting urself it is getting embarising.

[Erfel OP]

It is not about HOW to solve the leeching problem.
The real point is that Gree doesn't want to solve it, and I totally agree.

Leechers are part of the game, and you can find out which one is a good guild also for its ability to avoid them :)

[shadowshoot]

+1 to Erfel post.

If players start to ask for a solution on the leechers problem and do it in a big number the "gree" will have to find 1 even if don't care. Is all about numbers here.

[Rookeye]

Utter newbie here. Can you please define--for the purposes of KnD at least--what a leech is, and how they go about leeching?

[holydinges2]

Utter newbie here. Can you please define--for the purposes of KnD at least--what a leech is, and how they go about leeching?

a leecher is some1 who join a guild, promises to score a certain amount of points to get the guild war reward the guild is aiming for. and then proceeds to do nothing and get the reward thanks to every1 else's hard efford.

[Rookeye]

Soooo the main purpose of Guilds is to score points off each other during wars/feuds? Ah. Thanks, that little bit of info was missing from the in-game tutorial...

I can see how leeching would be an annoyance; what do you do about real life? It does happen. One would hope a player would be able to balance his game obligations with RL ones.

[holydinges2]

Soooo the main purpose of Guilds is to score points off each other during wars/feuds? Ah. Thanks, that little bit of info was missing from the in-game tutorial...

I can see how leeching would be an annoyance; what do you do about real life? It does happen. One would hope a player would be able to balance his game obligations with RL ones.

ofc RL can happen and if u have been part of a guild for a long time, always scoring youre points, then the guild will forgive u most of the time. if u for instance join a top 10 guild just for 1 time to get a epic and proceed to not score. even though u might have proper reasons they wont ever let u in again becouse they dont know you and thus dont know if u are telling a lie or something actualy did happen.

[Rookeye]

Well obviously...and as an adult, I'd understand I have a reputation in game, just as in RL, and I'd want to protect my "name"...

[Lord Malice]

I have a hard time with leechers and my minimum requirement is just 30 attacks total for 3 day wars only... That's just 5 wars using all 6 of your attacks in the hour or for those who are busy and use gems $10 and 5 free vids. Even with this minimum of minimums I still have problems with free loaders. What needs to happen is us GM's need to be able to boot players after guild war starts... Gree takes away that function but we need to at least be allowed to remove commanders. More often then not it is a commander that coasts the entire war and not participate,only to log on and collect the reward after it's over.

[Rookeye]

Why do you think Gree locks in membership for the duration of wars?

[Lord Malice]

A guild banned list. Add a players friend code into the list and said player is permanently banned from that guild with a 1 strike and you're out. This will also prevent players from changing names and armors and trying to get back into the same guild to free load again at a later time. This ban list should be an available option to the GM only.

[shadowshoot]

A guild banned list. Add a players friend code into the list and said player is permanently banned from that guild with a 1 strike and you're out. This will also prevent players from changing names and armors and trying to get back into the same guild to free load again at a later time. This ban list should be an available option to the GM only.
Are already comune blacklists for most top guilds and help a little to keep leechers out but this thanks to comunity not thanks to a game well made.
A feature to prevent leechers will automaticaly take off the neccesiti of ban lists , leecher list , lost time and all the rest. And gree is stupid becouse instead of using my time to play their game i need to use my time to defend agains leechers.

[Rookeye]

Cynical voice: "What does Gree care, if the Leecher(s) spend RL money on the game?" ;)

[toogoodformyowngood]

Are already comune blacklists for most top guilds and help a little to keep leechers out but this thanks to comunity not thanks to a game well made.
A feature to prevent leechers will automaticaly take off the neccesiti of ban lists , leecher list , lost time and all the rest. And gree is stupid becouse instead of using my time to play their game i need to use my time to defend agains leechers.

Gree is stupid but they are laughing all the way to the bank?

[Rookeye]

I doubt they're stupid....but it may be "this is a gamer-solved issue" or the ol "checks and balances" thing. Not every suggested solution works across the board for every guild or gaming type. If they move slow, they don't have to reverse themselves later.

[EljayK]

I doubt they're stupid....but it may be "this is a gamer-solved issue" or the ol "checks and balances" thing. Not every suggested solution works across the board for every guild or gaming type. If they move slow, they don't have to reverse themselves later.

Excuse me. You must be new here. You're posting common sense. That won't be well received. When you've been immolated by the masses, come talk to Buster and I.

[Rookeye]

Oooo! Immolation! Do you think there'll be s'mores? ;)

[shadowshoot]

oh , yes , there'll be , there'll be :rolleyes: this is my forth account here and active in all 4. Is funny to see how nice some are with a acc and how ofensive with a another ... and same person bihind bouth. Immolation ;) Oooo ! Immolation !

[Rookeye]

Can we have more than one? I assumed it was 1 person: 1 account?

[Ant venom]

"Will this happen?" is a question you cannot decide so lay off this subject for now or talk to Gree.

[Rookeye]

?? Are you talking to me? Or to shadowshoot? *scratches head*

[shadowshoot]

Can we have more than one? I assumed it was 1 person: 1 account?

Welcome to internet , where everything is possible.


"Will this happen?" is a question you cannot decide so lay off this subject for now or talk to Gree.

We can not decide , true , but we can do something to answer to the question. Is all about numbers , haw i already stated , and more players will ask for this "antilecheers" solution more gree will get aware off. BTW here we arre TALKING to gree.

[Dianish]

BTW here we arre TALKING to gree.

It's Ant Venom. He/she tend to be abit off.

[dedgod]

There is no need to argue about criteria for receiving war rewards. It should be that a GM can set a minimum number of points, or a minimum number of attacks, or both. If someone misses their minimum due to personal reasons, they just don't get the reward. There will always be another war and missing one reward isn't too big a deal. It is just a game after all.

If anything, a leeching solution should result in more spending of money for gems.

Further, I don't think anyone should feel too bad about spending some money on the game. All entertainment will cost something, and this game is more wholesome than some other forms of entertainment.

[PIMPDADDYSABER]

I would like this, but would like it to be able to be turned off so when we FTP and dont care about points it doesnt hurt some members.

[Rookeye]

I would think--if you can see a member leeching and not pulling their weight--it would be a simple matter to boot the offending member(s) once you're sure:

Guild > Members > Profile

* Summary: Have they hit the Epic Boss this week? Last week? Week before?
* Guild: What have they done for the Guild lately? Do they participate in Guild Challenges? How often?
* Arena: Have they participated in Arena events this week? Last week? Etc.

Guild > Contribute (also Guild > Members)

* Does this member donate gold regularly? How much did they give this week? Last week? (NOTE: I expect players below level 30 to be focusing on improving their castle cash flow, so this doesn't always apply.)

Lastly:

* Chat: Do they regularly participate in Guild communications? Do they follow directions?


There's so much information available to the observant GM and his/her officers. No new buttons necessary... :)

[shadowshoot]

I would think--if you can see a member leeching and not pulling their weight--it would be a simple matter to boot the offending member(s) once you're sure

The boot thing is easy , you boot him and problem solved ... wait is not so easy ... the booted leecher will just change to a another guild to offend , and to a another and to a another ... upss no , no problem solved there. Without mentioning that will be a open spot in your guild and when you recruit is alweis a chance to came in a another leecher (LOL).
We know all about various ways to check new recruits , proove them , create antileechers lists , difuse this lists , ecc , ecc ,ecc. But will not be more simple to just avoid all this troubles by adding a simple option? Who btw is not even hard to do ?
What is more amazing is that many complain about leechers (see all line chats , antileechers spreadsheets) but now1 to insist on gree screaming : GIVE US THIS DAMN OPTION.
I even heard some1 saying : "my guild was leeched , hope he go now to leech my enemys" O.o
With this kind of atitude probably the guys from gree are LTFAO ...

[B Legit]

There is no need to argue about criteria for receiving war rewards. It should be that a GM can set a minimum number of points, or a minimum number of attacks, or both. If someone misses their minimum due to personal reasons, they just don't get the reward. There will always be another war and missing one reward isn't too big a deal. It is just a game after all.

If anything, a leeching solution should result in more spending of money for gems.

Further, I don't think anyone should feel too bad about spending some money on the game. All entertainment will cost something, and this game is more wholesome than some other forms of entertainment.

I like how you start off by saying there is no need to argue, and then go on to present you argument..... irony....
and secondly, there will be NO solve for leeches by GREE. 1.) You are correct, more leeching means more people in those guilds have to buy more gems and make GREE more money 2.) Almost ALL guilds have long time members who have had something come up here or there during war. These are not leeches, these are people who have been with you for many wars and never had any issues. If that person has a life crisis on the last day of war and say misses a 200k req by 10k, then you'd feel like a POS for them not getting their reward they may have spent 1.5k gems on. I know that leeching sucks, we have been leeched a few times on our runs, everyone has. But due to the fact that is an infinite amount of "what if" questions that go along with it, there is nothing that will be done.

BTW: My first sentence was just poking fun, not meant to be mean, and I agree about spending money, it's not our fault those who can't afford this type of entertainment didn't get a better job/education or just choose to spend their entertainment money elsewhere :)

[Rookeye]

Sometimes one's socio-economic level is not determined by their lack of education. Sometimes they, or another family member are dealing with an illness that has capsized the family income. Food for thought. :)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148


Back to topic: I think--for a whole fleet of reasons--it was very wise of GREE not to permit this type of micromanaging power down to the GMs. In the hands of a wise GM, there is no issue. Not every GM is wise.

[Meat Rising]

very good idea

[busteroaf]

Excuse me. You must be new here. You're posting common sense. That won't be well received. When you've been immolated by the masses, come talk to Buster and I.

Aww... LJK missed me. Now I miss him.

[Scabs]

Sometimes one's socio-economic level is not determined by their lack of education. Sometimes they, or another family member are dealing with an illness that has capsized the family income. Food for thought. :)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148


Back to topic: I think--for a whole fleet of reasons--it was very wise of GREE not to permit this type of micromanaging power down to the GMs. In the hands of a wise GM, there is no issue. Not every GM is wise.

True that not every GM is wise, but that GM wouldn't have anyone in his/her guild if they didn't know how to manage that power.

[Rookeye]

Any fool can make a guild and be GM. Hence my original comment.

(Not saying GM = fool, merely pointing out that GM doesn't necessarily = wise...) :)

[B Legit]

Any fool can make a guild and be GM. Hence my original comment.

(Not saying GM = fool, merely pointing out that GM doesn't necessarily = wise...) :)

Yeah Rook, but what he is saying is that if said GM wants people to stay in his guild, to recruit new members, and for it to get better, he could not abuse that power.