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codys21
05-09-2014, 10:10 AM
Personally, I enjoy full assault. It was difficult when they only had 5 minute battles but now that the battles are longer it isn't bad. There's no need to spend gold (I'm a free player so wouldn't anyway,) you get to get rid of units that you aren't using anyway (even though you get more trashy, useless units for each victory,) and you get a pretty nice prize at the end.

Sure, nobody understands the point system and we get garbage units during the battles, but my faction can play completely free, place in top 100, and get a unit with a few hundred thousand stats. How is that so bad?

iamgremlin
05-09-2014, 10:16 AM
Horribly time consuming, takes forever to find units to deploy, and you say good way to get rid of unused units I'd like to know how you win without usin in army units. I lose stats every time I participate and prizes don't make up the loss.

MAD NUGGETT
05-09-2014, 10:22 AM
Yep, too much time. Most low stat players seem to like this event I have found.

codys21
05-09-2014, 10:25 AM
I agree it's time consuming, but that's why they give us crate events :p. And what do you consider "low stat"? I'm not huge but I have 80m attack

Rowe1985
05-09-2014, 10:33 AM
I think they have just not or the timing right, personally ok loved it as with 10mil stats he rewards were good, we lost stats in our first fa, but second one everyone had a limit and ended up getting a great unit and bonus , they would need to upgrade the battle rewards to the 2600/2600 again as a minimum tho

Thief
05-09-2014, 10:36 AM
Perhaps because its broken?

The game tells you that you score 20k but then you get 150k on Leaderboard (yes this is a real problem)
So you sacrafice Units out the ying yang and have very little control over the results.....

Angel (85ss)
05-09-2014, 10:42 AM
Horribly time consuming, takes forever to find units to deploy, and you say good way to get rid of unused units I'd like to know how you win without usin in army units. I lose stats every time I participate and prizes don't make up the loss.
My questions exactly! Sure I belive he doesn't use gold but, it's impossible to get to top 400 with out using army units!

VikingsVoice
05-09-2014, 10:45 AM
I currently like this event. The prizes and stats increases from the prizes are better than most events. If the prizes begin to decline in quality, I will cease to like this event.

Maverick0073
05-09-2014, 10:51 AM
Scoring is total bs, until they fix it , this event sux

Silver Boulder
05-09-2014, 10:58 AM
Personally i dont like it because its too time consuming, I am however looking forward to the 1st one after the next wd so i can dump 150 mil of units, or as many as i can before retiring.
P.s i am mid 200-300 level and currently 300 mil over vault come find me :-)

FFF Oldtimer
05-09-2014, 11:17 AM
The whole event is spent searching through your inventory.... Boring! Then the scores make no sense. And then I drop 100-200 million in stats just to gain back 15-20 million...... I must be an idiot to keep playing FA events but I won't let my team take the hit without my help. If there was a tab to bring up recently deployed units so I could easily find the units I like to deploy it would go a long way to improving this event for me. That and fixing the damn scoring/leaderboard

Rob TRK
05-09-2014, 11:28 AM
There are ways of reduce scrolling time and not dump masses of stats each FA. You have to play smart in FA to benefit. My faction always gets a positive result and we make sure we don't waste stats to achieve it....

FFF Oldtimer
05-09-2014, 12:22 PM
There are ways of reduce scrolling time and not dump masses of stats each FA. You have to play smart in FA to benefit. My faction always gets a positive result and we make sure we don't waste stats to achieve it....

Your faction prob isn't finishing top 20 then is it?

Rob TRK
05-09-2014, 12:38 PM
Nor do we plan to...

Kane Sickle
05-09-2014, 06:22 PM
It's a crap shoot; a blind auction. Precise timing could help execute some last minute strikes, but crashing game striffles that. And you still have to play "you bet you life" or "go big or go home"!

And staging your units; well...

Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling! Find the gamers drolling! It's like teeth you're pulling! It sux!

Dump this event, please!

manbeast
05-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Love the event!! They just need to tweak the reward system. Getting higher on the leaderboard should be a good think..

DFI
05-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Having played FA since the first beta, I don't have any issue with scrolling. I've cut down my army by getting rid of all single units other than boost if under 20k in stats. I think that has reduced my specific units by at least 50 percent. Yes, even got rid of all those faction named units fm the dec ltq except for the one that I am in.

So sorting is not an issue for me at all. Like others have said, it's time consuming and the end result is like playing at the casino bc you have no idea how the scoring works. I used to mind losing 40-70mm in stats, but I guess you live with it as you're part of a team. Just need to buy them back before the start of the next war...

good gawd noooo
05-10-2014, 01:19 AM
the premise was to get rid of unwanted units but due to rewards to win you have to deploy thousands in units not hundreds so your still stuck with the useless units this event was suppose to help us get rid of AND to place for a decent prize at end you end up dropping stats because those not in your army are too low to hold a node. Those in the faction that can spare the big units do but then they feel cheated because not everyone can do the same.... AND WE STILL HAVE THE RASH UNITS THIS EVENT WAS DESIGNED TO GET RID OF!!!! scoring system sucks and the rewards per battle we good first time the rest they suck. so only true reward is for placement in war which requires sacrifice of stats(at least for me and most of my faction) and almost never get back as much as you put in. Then the time most event you can log on do your part and log off in a few minutes repeat a couple times an hour and grow.. this one you have to spend almost the full hour watching deploying finding right units deploying again... way too time consuming.. oh and did I mention still have the useless units this was designed to help you get rid of.... just a waste prefer it vanished

DFI
05-10-2014, 02:48 AM
the premise was to get rid of unwanted units but due to rewards to win you have to deploy thousands in units not hundreds so your still stuck with the useless units this event was suppose to help us get rid of AND to place for a decent prize at end you end up dropping stats because those not in your army are too low to hold a node. Those in the faction that can spare the big units do but then they feel cheated because not everyone can do the same.... AND WE STILL HAVE THE RASH UNITS THIS EVENT WAS DESIGNED TO GET RID OF!!!! scoring system sucks and the rewards per battle we good first time the rest they suck. so only true reward is for placement in war which requires sacrifice of stats(at least for me and most of my faction) and almost never get back as much as you put in. Then the time most event you can log on do your part and log off in a few minutes repeat a couple times an hour and grow.. this one you have to spend almost the full hour watching deploying finding right units deploying again... way too time consuming.. oh and did I mention still have the useless units this was designed to help you get rid of.... just a waste prefer it vanished

I agree that the upper tier teams deploy stronger units than what you get back in return, but in my convoluted world, I guess I don't mind because I got rid of more than a couple hundred single units that were clogging up my inventory, and replaced them with two types of worthless units - with the upside being that while being worthless, they only took two spaces in my inventory. My teammates who have seen my inventory are surprised at how much it can be cleaned up. I keep the tree snipers not because I can use them but because they only take one space and there is no way I could deploy them while still helping the team.

* otoh, the 8/8, rb, eb and scratcher give me many more different types of worthless units.

Loki KAD
05-10-2014, 05:10 AM
Personally i dont like it because its too time consuming, I am however looking forward to the 1st one after the next wd so i can dump 150 mil of units, or as many as i can before retiring.
P.s i am mid 200-300 level and currently 300 mil over vault come find me :-)

Join a low ranking faction and donate everything to them!

You may feel hard done by from Gree but ultimately it's a business and like any business it has to make money.

Do the right thing and donate to a worthy cause please.

Regards

Loki

Blade of 3
05-10-2014, 09:21 AM
Two words. Stat inflation.

lemonhaze
05-10-2014, 09:34 AM
I agree that the upper tier teams deploy stronger units than what you get back in return, but in my convoluted world, I guess I don't mind because I got rid of more than a couple hundred single units that were clogging up my inventory, and replaced them with two types of worthless units - with the upside being that while being worthless, they only took two spaces in my inventory. My teammates who have seen my inventory are surprised at how much it can be cleaned up. I keep the tree snipers not because I can use them but because they only take one space and there is no way I could deploy them while still helping the team.

* otoh, the 8/8, rb, eb and scratcher give me many more different types of worthless units.
i do exactly the same thing..all the single units i drop and only been keeping stuff that i got more then 10 of in each section..still got a long way to go to clean it up but my best section air i have cleaned it up nicely..still got a long way to go to clean it all up bc i dont use gold on this event..

levi.baker88
05-10-2014, 04:22 PM
From what I have seen with the crashing/extended time to load, it isn't the event/MW, it's probably your device. I've got a Galaxy S4 and don't have a problem, can do deploys in 10-15secs (that's including finding what unit requirement is at that node). Yes the base clock for the event needs some significant work and some fiddling of game dynamics but it isn't that bad.

If your trying to go for a high rank (Top 50, 100, 500) you're going to have a bad day, the very top tier guys probably have disposable 50k units, have realistic goals and you won't be disappointed.

Gen CheeBye
05-10-2014, 11:12 PM
Personally, prefer the first FA. 5 mins to deploy is long enough imho. It is also a good way to test coordination and the participation levels of each faction.

Don't need to use too many units for of the short time frame. However, lengthening it to 15 mins only benefits gree cos we need to use gold regen for more deployment. Of course some will say they won't use gold regen and will not be bothered.

As far as the current reincarnation of FA is concerned, I personally will not be actively participating.

Silver Boulder
05-11-2014, 01:49 AM
Join a low ranking faction and donate everything to them!

You may feel hard done by from Gree but ultimately it's a business and like any business it has to make money.

Do the right thing and donate to a worthy cause please.

Regards

Loki
Exactly what I am going to do Loki, As you say it's the right thing to do.
I don't feel hard done by gree I just feel the game has run it's course and is far too repetitive now, It will be like a breath of fresh air releasing all those units.

Bancodilugano
05-11-2014, 02:09 AM
Personally, I enjoy full assault. It was difficult when they only had 5 minute battles but now that the battles are longer it isn't bad. There's no need to spend gold (I'm a free player so wouldn't anyway,) you get to get rid of units that you aren't using anyway (even though you get more trashy, useless units for each victory,) and you get a pretty nice prize at the end.

Sure, nobody understands the point system and we get garbage units during the battles, but my faction can play completely free, place in top 100, and get a unit with a few hundred thousand stats. How is that so bad?
I totally agree with you

RetiredAndHappy
05-11-2014, 02:14 AM
I like the concept but not the implementation

Octane
05-11-2014, 03:24 AM
This event is horrible in my opinion. It's great for the ones that want to freeload and clean out their inventory. If you want to place in the top 10 or thereabouts most of your teams stats will suffer. I lost 15mil in stats playing and some lost up to 60mil. If you don't have a big enough iph to recover then what's the point? Plus this event is very time consuming. It's a catch 22 if you don't play you are in danger of losing a spot in your faction and if you do play you are in danger of losing your family.

Sparkle
05-12-2014, 12:13 PM
It's a crap shoot; a blind auction. Precise timing could help execute some last minute strikes, but crashing game striffles that. And you still have to play "you bet you life" or "go big or go home"!

And staging your units; well...

Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling! Find the gamers drolling! It's like teeth you're pulling! It sux!

Dump this event, please!

Well said. Scrolling is droll, droll, droll! The prize units leave like snowflakes on your tongue. The idea of clearing away unwanted units is a joke when you have jillions of 2 - digit ones that need to leave but ten of those add up to diddly squat if you plan to win. You can't see if you are winning because the score doesn't reflect your effort and the scrolling froze the game and the clock ends it 3 minutes before you .

NexusImperium
05-12-2014, 01:53 PM
I agree. I think Gree came up with what is a good idea on paper but in practice, horrible. Terrible.

In fairness, I believe that Gree can fix the event. But to do so, they need to check their assumptions. They vastly overestimated the usefulness of contributing garbage units to a battle. To win, you need to sacrifice some very nice units to battle and this simply is not sustainable for anyone but the very strongest players with probably over 20M IPH, which is an extraordinarily small segment of the Modern War population (< 1%). So the result is an event that really just ticks off the majority of the players.

As an example of what I'm talking about, our faction sits FA out completely. Last FA, I waited until the event was almost over and declared as an experiment. Our faction was bottom-of-the-barrel because we were not participating. I declared and donated max of my strongest cash units for the duration of the battle, about 80K attack/defense each time, just to see what it takes to win. I lost.

TL: DR - What I'd like to see is Full Assault changed to where each WD country (Egypt, Canada, Ireland, China, etc) is a control point and the winner of that country (currently PUN/SUP1 across the board) gets to defend the country. The faction that holds the country gets a (one) faction bonus for the duration that they hold the country and can build the LE building for that country. Bonuses could be anything - from ability to upgrade additional buildings, hourly valor income, hourly concrete, hourly $ income, larger vault bonus, faction vault earning interest, etc.

Esong
05-12-2014, 08:53 PM
Perhaps because its broken?

The game tells you that you score 20k but then you get 150k on Leaderboard (yes this is a real problem)
So you sacrafice Units out the ying yang and have very little control over the results.....

Only campers are happy with FA.

codys21
05-16-2014, 09:45 PM
So is GREE trying to fix the event a little since there is no FA this cycle?

bam bam.
05-17-2014, 02:02 AM
Kill it. Its terrible n most everyone hates it

usman
05-17-2014, 03:40 AM
its not even fun.

jj JJ
05-17-2014, 06:52 AM
I must say our faction really enjoys full assault, but I will admit it is not for everyone. Throw out alot of cash units and in return get a damn good prize. If you haven't figured that out then no wonder you hate it. They are taking care of the camper problem by not offering prizes from each individual war that are not as good. If you have campers then kick them out of your faction (how hard is that)!

It could use a couple improvements thought. Wars should be 30 minutes with 3 10 minute rounds. Make deploying troops easier. Keep it to less than 48 hours.

To those that do not like full assault, just don't do it! It does not cost you a thing to sit out of it.