First Nightclub....TME

[Morgz]

So I have FINALLY built my hood up enough to where I can almost afford a nightclub. I have a few questions:

1) Is it wise to buy one immediately when you have $40 million saved, or is it better to save a little more and have a cushion of cash first? If the latter, how much should I save? My current IPH is roughly $115k.

2) How long does it take to build? I'm assuming there may be new LTB next week, and if the nightclub takes several days to build, I don't want to cut myself short on time if it's a cool LTB (and not a $100 mil again)

3) Is there something else I should be doing instead of getting the NC?

I've tried reading some of the strategy guides, but some of them are so involved they are a bit overwhelming. I couldn't' quite find specific answers to the above questions.

[therealbengie]

wait for the LTB, might be super awesome and the night club will be available forever.

[therealbengie]

also the NC doesn't suit everyone, I got attacked for saying this last time and told I know nothing of the game. if you can only manage 1 or 2 full collections a day my experience says build other buildings first, 12/24/48 are easier to collect 100%

if you can manage 3 or 4 full collections from your 6 hour buildings then crack on with the NC, this isn't possible for me so although I have a couple NC's I won't bother upgrading them again until all of my 12/18/20/24/26/48 buildings are level as they give me the best return.

[Morgz]

thanks bengie. I take it the initial build time may be more than 3 days since you say wait for LTB? Or heck I guess even if it were quicker I would be out of cash on hand anyway. OK, so that makes sense I should most likely wait

I think I can collect at least 3 times a day. I also ready somewhere on here that even if that building gets robbed every time, the robbed value collected is still pretty high, right (like half or 40% or something?)

[bravo 6 vk]

The buliding time of the NC is 6 days.

[therealbengie]

a fully robbed building pays out 40%, loses 20% per rob and then 20% gree tax on top. 2 full collections takes 12 hours, eg collect robbed at 8am, then full at 2pm followed by full at 8pm. that's 2.4x advertised return per day.

[therealbengie]

yeah, definitely wait as even if the build is done before the next LTB you might not have the cash for it, waiting a few days isn't going to kill your game.

[Morgz]

Cool. Glad I checked because I was about to pull the trigger and I think I would have been pissed at myself. With my luck the next LTB would be a $40mil buliding the size of a stop sign that pays out gold and rainbows ever 12 hours

[Kitty McPurr]

So the initial question was asked and answered. The next question you will be asking after you build the first Night Club is whether it is better to save for and build the second one, or better to save for the Level 2 upgrade on the first Night Club.

There are two schools of thought on this. I personally like building the second one first because you can upgrade them 1 at a time while still reaping the reward from at least 1 Night Club when the other is upgrading. Many others see the benefit of upgrading the #1 Night Club once before building the second one. This is because it is a "Type A" building and the payout on Level 2 is greater than 2 times Level 1.

Things to think about...

[Morgz]

That is mind bottling Kitty mcPurr! I thought it was a not brainer to go your way (build the 2nd, then alternate upgrades) -- but then you throw out the math of a type A building and I get headache! LOL. Thanks for the input though. For sure I will be wondering how to handle that.

I also want a hard rock building because I think its cool looking. But it cost like 175 gold or something. Not sure if it's a "smart" game move. But at some point I get pleasure out of just having fun and buildings that I like -- so to me there is value in that as well.

[therealbengie]

i'd build two before upgrading if money is short.

[Morgz]

Seems like if you built 2 you could have a little bit of the best of both worlds. Build 2, then leave 1 at level one while you build the other one all the way up. Then you at least have some NC income the whole time you are upgrading the other one -- albeit level 1 NC income.

[therealbengie]

that's my feelings.

[Kitty McPurr]

I agree, I like to build the second one. However, I understand why there is an arguement for the upgrading first. I will explain it in better detail and with accurate numbers:
NC#1 cost: $40mil, time: 144hrs, Payout: $175k (all numbers are without modifiers)
NC#2 "Same as #1 in all numbers" so we basically multiply this numbers by X2 resulting in,
NC#1 + NC#2 = cost $80mil, time: 288hrs, Payout: $350k

VS.

NC#1^2 cost: $66mil, time 57.5hrs, payout: $525K
so basically add building it plus upgrading it and you get this:
NC^2 Total Cost: 104mil, total Time: 201.5hrs, Payout $575k (exactly 3 times a level 1 night club.)

So that is the maths behind the second strategy...costs a little more, saves some time and results in a high IPH sooner. you may also have an upgrade cost/time modifier which helps this options case even more since those modifiers don't apply to build costs or build times.

like I said before...things to think about.

[AZZ.]

Old school thoughts on NCs good read. All from the great white hacker MXZ
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?39348-Exhausting-guide-to-NC-build-upgrade-order

[Kitty McPurr]

Old school thoughts on NCs good read. All from the great white hacker MXZ
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?39348-Exhausting-guide-to-NC-build-upgrade-order

The value of this guide is good, however as I pointed out in my last post there are many Building upgrade/cost modifiers. Those probably more strongly help the upgrade first idea. However, it is up to the individual as to their individual gameplay which includes their IPH and now the new idea of LTBs. Hood economics has changed dramatically.

I love the days of yore, when these guides were the dominant force of the forum. It is a shame that it has degraded to a complaining session about whatever new change GREE has made to murder their game. Unfortunately the people who used to discuss strategy have given up, either by quitting or remaining silent while the forum has been taken over by complaining sissies.

[Phillip99]

Nightclubs suck, with new rivals format they will get robbed if you don't collect. So unless you are committed to collecting 4 x's a day......and if you are you have a problem, means you cant sleep more than 5:59. Means you will always be pulling your game out while at work, out with friends, with family.

[Nighteg]

Nightclubs suck, with new rivals format they will get robbed if you don't collect. So unless you are committed to collecting 4 x's a day......and if you are you have a problem, means you cant sleep more than 5:59. Means you will always be pulling your game out while at work, out with friends, with family.

Even if you collect them only twice a day, you'll still collect more than most buildings, with the exception of the Casino, Deadly disco and the Fine gems.

[AZZ.]

The value of this guide is good, however as I pointed out in my last post there are many Building upgrade/cost modifiers. Those probably more strongly help the upgrade first idea. However, it is up to the individual as to their individual gameplay which includes their IPH and now the new idea of LTBs. Hood economics has changed dramatically.

I love the days of yore, when these guides were the dominant force of the forum. It is a shame that it has degraded to a complaining session about whatever new change GREE has made to murder their game. Unfortunately the people who used to discuss strategy have given up, either by quitting or remaining silent while the forum has been taken over by complaining sissies.

I agree you kitty. I was just posting some in depth info on NCs. IMO NCs lost all it's luster with the addition of LTBs. Best building in the game is the pagoda.

[reticlover]

also the NC doesn't suit everyone, I got attacked for saying this last time and told I know nothing of the game. if you can only manage 1 or 2 full collections a day my experience says build other buildings first, 12/24/48 are easier to collect 100%

if you can manage 3 or 4 full collections from your 6 hour buildings then crack on with the NC, this isn't possible for me so although I have a couple NC's I won't bother upgrading them again until all of my 12/18/20/24/26/48 buildings are level as they give me the best return.


set an alarm and collect on time, my nc's only get robbed about once every week

[Morgz]

Nightclubs suck, with new rivals format they will get robbed if you don't collect. So unless you are committed to collecting 4 x's a day......and if you are you have a problem, means you cant sleep more than 5:59. Means you will always be pulling your game out while at work, out with friends, with family.
Maybe I'm too old, but I don't sleep more than 5:59 anyway.
Plus I like what others are saying about amounts you collect even if it is robbed. Also, I never camped, and have not been in a top syn, so I don't have great stats. I get robbed less with new rivals list. I couldn't rob hardly anyone with old list

[amateur]

So I have FINALLY built my hood up enough to where I can almost afford a nightclub. I have a few questions:

1) Is it wise to buy one immediately when you have $40 million saved, or is it better to save a little more and have a cushion of cash first? If the latter, how much should I save? My current IPH is roughly $115k.

2) How long does it take to build? I'm assuming there may be new LTB next week, and if the nightclub takes several days to build, I don't want to cut myself short on time if it's a cool LTB (and not a $100 mil again)

3) Is there something else I should be doing instead of getting the NC?

I've tried reading some of the strategy guides, but some of them are so involved they are a bit overwhelming. I couldn't' quite find specific answers to the above questions.

A1, BUILD ASAP
A2, Doent remember, search the forum. You doent get short with iph 145k, If the LTB is 50mill or bellow in range.
A3, Save for another NC

[CCC-syn]

Most LTBs are super expensive, so waiting for the next one might be a waste of time.

NC is the best building in the game - but buy it only if u know u can collect it at least 3 times a day.

[ghetto69143]

Considerably, GREE is coming out with good LTB's you can put the NC on hold. I bought my first one and haven't bothered upgrading since GREE had been bringing out something better and besides the NC will always be there. IMO if you can but the 2 LTB's and are currently upgrading them, then go ahead and buy a NC since it does take 144hrs to build. and if the event is still on, try and but the NC during that time so you know you're not missing out on anything.
As far as upgrading, Look at your buildings and guestimate whether its worth to upgrade a building that will yield every 6hrs that you have to set a time for as opposed to the other buildings. i.e every 12hrs, 24hrs, or 48hrs

[therealbengie]

set an alarm and collect on time, my nc's only get robbed about once every week

not possible for me, been through this already and got called all sort of names and told I know nothing about the game by newbies.