Missing

[ZackAttack]

What the $&@?¡®€¥»«£% is the deal with all the misses? I couldnt count how many arena win-streaks or guild battles have been lost because I missed or my opponent got a critical. I used to be able to do Zephyr plateu on epic and have almost full health on my last knight, now I can barely get through it with more health and higher stats... I get at least 2 misses each round and get as many as 7 (rare but it happens) What do you think? Are your constant misses worth the very very small chance of winnong because of a miss on yohr opponents side? Should it be removed from the game? (Yes it should) Any other opinions?

[SmokeSomePeaches]

I don't think it should be removed. Gives the game more of a chance feel. Makes it feel more like a game this way

[ZackAttack]

I don't think it should be removed. Gives the game more of a chance feel. Makes it feel more like a game this way

I wouldnt mind keeping them but since they increased the chances its just unbelievable and pretty stupid how much I miss

[SmokeSomePeaches]

I don't miss that often. It's funny I hear about so many people getting so many misses. I really don't get them that often

[ZackAttack]

Some people think its glitched on some peoples phone/tablet. Might be true, since people using VPN or whatever all get different amounts of video offers. (I cant even do vid offers... game crashes)

[SmokeSomePeaches]

I've also heard a lot of people with that crashing while watching videos. Doesn't happen to me either

[Sent]

I think misses/crits should be remove from the Arena/Guild Wars. I don't see how it proves that you're good or bad if you or your opponent miss a bunch of times. I think Arena should be revamped (again). It shouldn't be based off of who can get the most points (via spending gems) but by who can win the most (which will still be by spending gems), with the points being changed entirely or separate for rewards and rank.
This is the system I'm trying to suggest:

Everyone starts unranked (when the arena resets)
Everyone maxes at five energy (like the system in place atm)
One person clicks fight and gets matched at random with another person who is unranked and the same level.
If the person wins, they gain a point. If they lose, they stay unranked.
If they win, they fight again.
If they win, they either get one or two points. You get one point for beating someone ranked higher than you or two points for beating someone lower (e.g. if you're rank 1,000, you get two points for beating rank 999 and one point for beating rank 1,001)
If they lose, they lose a point.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
You can only be paired up with people your level. You can only be paired up with people within 10 ranks of you (by level, so say your rank 100 at level 40, and the next 10 level 40s behind you are at 125, 274, 483, 484, etc and there's only two level 40s in front of you, you can be paired up with either of those 12 people).
You can choose to be paired up with a higher/lower rank.
If you are unable to be paired up with someone of the same level because no one that level is in front of you (good for you), you will get two points per fight (or maybe something else can be worked out idk).
No misses/crits/other bs.


Yeah idk what I'm trying to say is better arena system pls.

EDIT: This is pretty sloppy and doesn't sound that great but yeye.

[SmokeSomePeaches]

I think the current arena sounds better than that. Not bashing you that could be good if it had a lot more work into it. And once your 100 nothing changes so I don't really like the level idea.

[Dark Prince]

Missing is retarded, critical hits I am okay with but missing like cmon.

[Dianish]

WhoooZaaa... Its all good. The misses was okay until they increased chance of a miss. We need to have misses. Just not this many.

[Sol Invictus]

It could be random, but misses almost seem malicious.

For instance, if I have a knight with an elemental advantage over another knight in the middle or back of the opponents lineup, my girl will miss and the opponent's technically weaker knight will take out my knight with an advantage before she gets to hit the knight she has an advantage over.

If that makes sense.

Sometimes you can overcome a miss or two, but these kinds of misses completely change the outcome of a match.

Happens to me a lot. Ruins my day. I've regressed back into cutting myself and listening to Sentenced.

[Dianish]

The misses are coded and intended. I have kept an eye on my EB progress. Everytime the boss reaches a difficulty where i should be able to kill it with X amount of guys i miss once and boss is left with under 1000 hp. If i hire a friend and make sure i can nuke it then the bosses miss alot and i have lucky crits. After 43th kill i noticed that i always miss 1 time when i should be able to kill EB with the number of used knights and boss once again have less than 1000 hp. After 51st kill i have about 75% chance of missing 3 times which is exactly the number of attacks needed to kill EB.

Hire exactly what you need causes you to miss and boss will only have needed 1 hit to die. So far it happend 80% of the times (8 out of 10 fights)

Hire more than needed causes the boss to miss and you to crit more and the boss will die before your knights is even close to dying. This seems to be about the same. Not sure yet.

Im my experience that means that Gree intended to make us waste more gems and hopefully make us buy some more.



Its just something i have noticed. Not saying that its a fact. It's just how its been in my end since they upped the EB difficulty.

[Sent]

Im my experience that means that Gree intended to make us waste more gems and hopefully make us buy some more.

A lot of people think this. In the case of the EB, I'd understanding spending gems after some misses (or just waiting). In the case of the arena, it's stupid. I'm not going to spend gems because I lost a few fights due to missing. If anything, the misses will lead me away from spending gems at the arena. I'd only ever spend gems on arena if I knew I had enough for top three, but I doubt that will be happening soon.

[Sol Invictus]

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?69357-Interesting-read-on-how-GREE-coerces-us-into-spending-gems


Interesting read on how GREE coerces us into spending gems

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaminShokrizade/20130626/194933/


Coerce is a bit strong. We aren't coerced. We make the decision to buy gems voluntarily.
But this business model definitely preys on specific human traits. And that's OK. But there it is.

[Skittle Stomper]

Wtf do you think anything you say matters to Gree?

When they released the new arena, they added power attack.
The SOLE reason for Power Attack in arena is so smart ppl accidentally hit it & waste gems, or noobs think they're actually getting something out of using it.

Did I mention they added win streaks & took away the option to gem & save win streak?
Who the f*ck makes these decisions? I can guarantee you that person doesn't have the slightest understanding of applied psychology.

ps. This game blows, you're better off realizing that now than thinking it will change.

[SomethingStrange]

Losing a close battle because of a crit or miss here or there isn't that bad. Losing a battle because of 5+ misses or losing a battle that has a very strong elemental advantage in your favor is where I start wanting to throw my device.

[bosskiller]

The misses are coded and intended. I have kept an eye on my EB progress. Everytime the boss reaches a difficulty where i should be able to kill it with X amount of guys i miss once and boss is left with under 1000 hp. If i hire a friend and make sure i can nuke it then the bosses miss alot and i have lucky crits. After 43th kill i noticed that i always miss 1 time when i should be able to kill EB with the number of used knights and boss once again have less than 1000 hp. After 51st kill i have about 75% chance of missing 3 times which is exactly the number of attacks needed to kill EB.

Hire exactly what you need causes you to miss and boss will only have needed 1 hit to die. So far it happend 80% of the times (8 out of 10 fights)

Hire more than needed causes the boss to miss and you to crit more and the boss will die before your knights is even close to dying. This seems to be about the same. Not sure yet.

Im my experience that means that Gree intended to make us waste more gems and hopefully make us buy some more.



Its just something i have noticed. Not saying that its a fact. It's just how its been in my end since they upped the EB difficulty.

I have noticed that too..... If i get to a level that I should be able to beat, but with little health left, I will miss a few extra times and lose.


WhoooZaaa... Its all good. The misses was okay until they increased chance of a miss. We need to have misses. Just not this many.

I agree. Misses are OK, but not this many.... Keep misses but lessen the amount!!

[Dianish]

I have noticed that too..... If i get to a level that I should be able to beat, but with little health left, I will miss a few extra times and lose.


Keep an eye on the boss. I noticed it i think 6 bosses ago and kept an eye it. And guess what... Its not a coincidence. It have happend on each boss after reaching a certain difficulty.

If things keep happening its not a coincidence. Once or twice maybe but more than that clearly shows its intentional.


Edit: As i was expecting. Firewing Wasp just killed my 2 knights on 21st kill - It critted twice I missed 1 time and the boss is left with 200 HP left. I should have killed the boss with ease.

Edit2: 25th kill. I used 3 knights, sadly. I miss 3 times and boss is left with 32 HP.

[XKAgrodelous]

Personally im tired of missing so much and being beat by ppl with weaker armor. Ive missed up to five times in one match. Or had the opponent land land critical hits every strike.

[Sarah 101]

I hate the miss hits ..

[Kangaroeland]

The misses are coded and intended [...]

Ive actually looked at this after you posted and 9/10 times you were correct. I tried to bring exactly what i needed by taking a little stronger freind every time or 3 of my own and 9 of 10 times i lost by 3-4 misses and 0-1 crits from my side and 0 misses and 3-7 crits from the epic boss. Always leaving 0-2000 hp.

[sxespanky]

Keep an eye on the boss. I noticed it i think 6 bosses ago and kept an eye it. And guess what... Its not a coincidence. It have happend on each boss after reaching a certain difficulty.

Edit2: 25th kill. I used 3 knights, sadly. I miss 3 times and boss is left with 32 HP.


Also - if the boss is full health and what not, he doesnt use specials. you fight him with one man and 1k hp left, he will hit you with 3 consecutive specials to take you out before u even make a dent in that measly 1k hp. im not sure at what % boss hp this starts, or if it just starts a certain level and having less knights fight. but something i noticed a long time ago.

[Dianish]

Ive actually looked at this after you posted and 9/10 times you were correct. I tried to bring exactly what i needed by taking a little stronger freind every time or 3 of my own and 9 of 10 times i lost by 3-4 misses and 0-1 crits from my side and 0 misses and 3-7 crits from the epic boss. Always leaving 0-2000 hp.


Good to know im not alone to notice this. This is a terrible code.

[Dianish]

Also - if the boss is full health and what not, he doesnt use specials. you fight him with one man and 1k hp left, he will hit you with 3 consecutive specials to take you out before u even make a dent in that measly 1k hp. im not sure at what % boss hp this starts, or if it just starts a certain level and having less knights fight. but something i noticed a long time ago.



True. Again: Terrible code. This is just another proof that Gree is Greedy and nothing more.

[Kangaroeland]

True. Again: Terrible code. This is just another proof that Gree is Greedy and nothing more.
aGREEd. Just had an outrageous lvl 43 fight. I thought to play safe this time so brought my 3: druid, nathair+, tect all maxed and two aquatic + freinds and lost with 81 hp left. He crit/specialed me 11 times and missed 1. I crit 2 miss 7. This is just sad tbh

[sxespanky]

aGREEd. Just had an outrageous lvl 43 fight. I thought to play safe this time so brought my 3: druid, nathair+, tect all maxed and two aquatic + freinds and lost with 81 hp left. He crit/specialed me 11 times and missed 1. I crit 2 miss 7. This is just sad tbh

on 42 i killed him with my 3 plus 2 freinds with glacious armors, wind/earth, which those people where guild champ/hc so decent damage, and killed him with the last knight at half health.

on 43, i hired 2 freinds both with the new earth element epic, so ammazing damage, eb still killed everyone and had about 600 hp left, so it was easy just to walk back in with one person after the energy replenished, but it seems the game calculates how much damage to take each hit just to make sure you dont kill the boss.

you all do know gree makes casino games right? this isnt a MMO/RPG/ whatever they wanna make it look like. this is a fancy casino slots game =\

[busteroaf]

you all do know gree makes casino games right? this isnt a MMO/RPG/ whatever they wanna make it look like. this is a fancy casino slots game =\

Hopefully you realized this a long time ago and wasn't some recent epiphany.

[Amidani]

I agree with the insane miss ratios. I actually submitted a ticket on it, because I refuse to believe it's not broken.

5 misses in a row against a gremlin in Epic Relic Ruins while gathering mats. Level 54 character.

Really?

Yes, misses add something to the game. But this many, not to mention back to back, destroys a lot of the sense of accomplishment you can get from the game.

YAY! I finally got my spiffy epic plus maxxed!

*miss miss miss miss miss dies*

Well...that was pointless.


Edit: Um...no, the gremlin did not kill me. The example was meant more for arena or war battles. Oy.

[MANG]

I had like 5 misses in a row last time in the arena :(

[PaIadineguru]

It's worse with gemming wars, were paying to miss 1/3 of our fights

[ArtBlock]

All these misses are bull****. Just fought an opposing GM in the war. CRUSHED him, refilled my energy to farm him. Me, nothing but misses while he got all criticals. I know Gree doesn't care but I'm sick I this game and all the bull**** that comes with it

[Dianish]

All these misses are bull****. Just fought an opposing GM in the war. CRUSHED him, refilled my energy to farm him. Me, nothing but misses while he got all criticals. I know Gree doesn't care but I'm sick I this game and all the bull**** that comes with it


Gree might do more to help the players if they were nice.

[ArtBlock]

Doubtful man

[TehOnlyOne]

Gree might do more to help the players if they were nice.

As long as they are making money/profit, change is a low priority to them. Unless they start losing their sales, then they'll consider changing a few things.

[Dianish]

As long as they are making money/profit, change is a low priority to them. Unless they start losing their sales, then they'll consider changing a few things.


Never mentioned changing anything.

Only stated that they might listen to/help players faster if all the tickets wasnt written by people who rage as if they were playing wow.

[frkndork]

but isn't that the natural thing for someone to do? rage and complain when something doesn't go their way. show no appreciation or thanks when it does go their way. It's unfortunate and rude, but what do you expect from the human race.

[ZackAttack]

Basically yes.

[Amidani]

Gree might do more to help the players if they were nice.

Granted no one has the right to be abusive, but they are a business to make money, not running for Miss Congeniality. Customer service can make or break a business. If they're doing service by who's nicest to them, they won't be around long. People feel entitled for zero reason, it's not right, but that's today's CS world.

[spanky macdougal]

Anecdotal example, in 5 arena matches I had today I had 2 or 3 misses in every fight. It was ridiculous. Yet when my "opponent" misses, it's always in a situation where it doesn't matter. For example I have 2 knights with full health left and his 3rd misses my guy and I finish him off. Wow thanks gree...but if it's down to 1v1 I'm about to deal the death blow and oops, I miss so he kills me off. Makes me want to rage throw the phone. Lol

[Carnage FR]

yea the miss is annoying but it does help the game and you know you like the misses when they are in your favor.:D

[El1ta]

RNG IS RNG.

QQ moar.

[frkndork]

yea the miss is annoying but it does help the game and you know you like the misses when they are in your favor.:D

thank you for stating that. no one ever mentions the miss probability that nets them a win, only when it results in their loss. but everyone needs something to complain about.

[Amidani]

yea the miss is annoying but it does help the game and you know you like the misses when they are in your favor.:D

If you'd read the thread, you'd see more than one person not complaining about misses, but that misses are broken. Yes, there needs to be the chance to miss, but right now it's crazy stupid. Read the thread and you'll see examples of how it's broken.

[Adisty]

If you'd read the thread...I believe he was spamming for post counts.

[ZackAttack]

thank you for stating that. no one ever mentions the miss probability that nets them a win, only when it results in their loss. but everyone needs something to complain about.

......... This isnt something I "need to complain about" I have played K&D for a few months and I have won... 3 battles at the most because of a miss on my opponents side. I have tried so many times to help my guild and spend some gems in the GW only to lose 2-all 4 times because of a miss...

[busteroaf]

......... This isnt something I "need to complain about" I have played K&D for a few months and I have won... 3 battles at the most because of a miss on my opponents side. I have tried so many times to help my guild and spend some gems in the GW only to lose 2-all 4 times because of a miss...

"Random" well timed misses that cause you to spend more gems. Armor pieces that never seem to drop when you need them. Epic Bosses that always seem to do a few too many crits in a row when all you need is 200 more points to kill them. Chance chests that reward you for pulling larger and larger sets, etc etc.

Hopefully you've realized that its all rigged in Gree's favor to make money. EVERYTHING!

[sxespanky]

RNG IS RNG.

QQ moar.


"Random" well timed misses that cause you to spend more gems. Armor pieces that never seem to drop when you need them. Epic Bosses that always seem to do a few too many crits in a row when all you need is 200 more points to kill them. Chance chests that reward you for pulling larger and larger sets, etc etc.

Hopefully you've realized that its all rigged in Gree's favor to make money. EVERYTHING!



its not RNG - RNG would mean that i would RANDOMLY miss - not miss every time to leave an epic boss with one more hit nearly every time later in his levels. the games are rigged as bad as grees Slot machine Games they keep advertising for.

Welcome to Knights and Dragons slots - where you hit the attack button and the slots spin and spin - netting you random monster kills. This game is about as interactive as a slot machine to be honest.

[Dianish]

its not RNG - RNG would mean that i would RANDOMLY miss - not miss every time to leave an epic boss with one more hit nearly every time later in his levels. the games are rigged as bad as grees Slot machine Games they keep advertising for.

Welcome to Knights and Dragons slots - where you hit the attack button and the slots spin and spin - netting you random monster kills. This game is about as interactive as a slot machine to be honest.

Yep.. Thats how Gree choose to break the best game for android. Big companies always seem to break/ruin everything they touch and without a hint of caring.

[Phykins]

Missing... The thing that keeps the game.... Fair?

[smujica93]

Missing... The thing that keeps the game.... Fair?


Stop spamming every single thread you click on. You've added absolutely nothing of value to the 12 threads you have commented on. Quit wasting everybody's time with your moronic 5-10 word empty comments.

[busteroaf]

Stop spamming every single thread you click on. You've added absolutely nothing of value to the 12 threads you have commented on. Quit wasting everybody's time with your moronic 5-10 word empty comments.

No no... he did what he was supposed to. Spam threads and make a name for himself as spammer, never to be heard from again, since he clearly just found the forums after 100 levels of playing and knowing all about the game, and after posting a witty and well thought out "Come join my new guild" post.

Thank goodness you don't need 50 posts before being able to post in the Guild Recruitment thread. I could imagine all the necro'd threads we'd see if that were the case.

Hell, look at most of the recent guild recruiting threads. Posted by people with 13-20 posts, and those with more than 13 are because they're bumping their own threads. Looking at it like that, its almost not even worth it to bother giving them crap for spamming, they never come back to the forums anyway. But on the other hand, its still fun to derail their recruitment threads as well. Oops...

[Sol Invictus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A_PD64aQZI

I usually don't try too hard in Arena, and am happy to settle between 5,000 - 7,500, but I found myself under 1,500, so I figured I'd try to keep going.

Every time I try to get a streak going...I miss the first hit of the first battle. Every time. All day.

"Random."

You ain't gettin my gems, GREE!

[Dianish]

They probably got a nice algorithm that makes sure you lose/miss at certain times to make sure you are going to lose. Everything is easy to a certain point. After that the algorithm kicks in and makes sure you wont continue without gems.

This algorithm is implemented in both Arena and EB - And it has joined the GW as well.

It's obvious if you keep track of hits/misses and wins/losses. I already made a perfect example on EB some time ago. The thread is somewhere.