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Don'tPostPersonalInfo:D
03-06-2014, 01:05 PM
Just dropped a vault on Tilda, got a couple of craps and could not get Wardrive. 1 vault couldnt get even ONE rare weapon...Good job Gree!
I think you need spend 10 vaults on this event, otherwise just give it up

Nighteg
03-06-2014, 01:08 PM
I heard people spent 4 vaults and not even half way through.
I think gree just crossed another greed line.

Winnson
03-06-2014, 01:20 PM
Read about kampa gacha. It's illegal in Japan.

Larry6
03-06-2014, 01:41 PM
do you who buy gold never learn?

Don'tPostPersonalInfo:D
03-06-2014, 01:44 PM
do you retards who buy gold never learn?
watch ur language hater. I just wanna give some warnings to ppl who want to spend gold on this event.

GucciMane
03-06-2014, 01:55 PM
do you who buy gold never learn?


Buying virtual currency in a cell phone game is no more retarded than buying a console video game.



But he does have a point. If you don't understand basic concepts us has EXPECTED VALUE you probably aren't going to be responsible with your money.


Everyone says "these are illegal in Japan" (I do too) but do you know WHY they are illegal in Japan? Read the second paragraph of this post again.

Winnson
03-06-2014, 02:00 PM
Kompu Gacha: http://www.insidemobileapps.com/2012/05/18/japan-officially-declares-lucractive-kompu-gacha-practice-illegal-in-social-games/

Danny Clear
03-06-2014, 02:52 PM
Havent even tried. any thing that has 2 do with gree and chance is a complete waste of time.

I also dont see how its illegal if ppl r dumb enough 2 spend money when they havent gotten an item multiple times its there own fault. I believe thats the definition of stupid.

murf
03-06-2014, 03:27 PM
Havent even tried. any thing that has 2 do with gree and chance is a complete waste of time.

I also dont see how its illegal if ppl r dumb enough 2 spend money when they havent gotten an item multiple times its there own fault. I believe thats the definition of stupid.

I think that's Einstein's definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over an expecting a different result.

Klideas
03-06-2014, 03:57 PM
yup spent tons of gold on tilda stupid blade everytime . Way to send your gold spenders running away.

MattyCC
03-06-2014, 03:57 PM
If you spent 100 dollars on powerball tickets are you suppose to win also? You have better odds in winning something but not the grandprize

Happyperson1
03-06-2014, 04:28 PM
Has anyone won the car? Many are stuck on the last Tilda.

Rjc
03-06-2014, 04:37 PM
I'm pretty sure the "chance" aspect of this game is considered gambling in California. Thus crime city must be approved by the state. Just like a casino. Odds must be displayed for each game.

I suggest gree consider this as helpful advice.

Idiosyncrasy
03-06-2014, 04:38 PM
Buying virtual currency in a cell phone game is no more retarded than buying a console video game.

I know this isn't the main point of the thread, but I feel the need to respond to your point here. I understand your concept that paid entertainment means different things to different people. If you enjoy what is provided and can extract value from the experience, then it is worth paying for that value. However, it would have been better to equate the experience to frequenting a movie theater.

My point comes down to product ownership, versus paying for entertainment in the form of a service. With a console game, you will always own that game. As long as you have a working medium (console), then you can consume that entertainment. With a mobile game that is 100% dependent on connectivity with a company's server, you will never own the game. Gree has expressed that we own nothing, not even our character nor the the inventory that you have "bought" (I like to view it as renting the right to use). This is why it is against TOS to sell your account or any other tangible (or intangible) aspect of the game. Gree can shut down and delete your account at any time, and they can shut down their servers at any time, for any reason they see fit. And they will shut down their servers one day - as soon as the their target market is exhausted (see burnt out) and the marginal cost exceeds the marginal benefit of operating the game.

It is this point of ownership that breaks down your analogy, though your point is well taken.

I don't hold it against anyone to purchase gold as long as they derive a value equal to or better than what they pay. They just need to understand that they are paying for a service, not a product, and for that reason we have customer support dedicated to the game. Trying getting the same level of attention and problem resolution assistance from a console game.

As with going out to the movies, playing a round of golf, or going out to a club or bar, just remember that you own nothing, and it will eventually all come to an end. Enjoy the moment.

Mackie Messer
03-06-2014, 04:57 PM
This event. It's not very enjoyable. For that matter neither was the Special Epic Boss, the weird associated LTQ or the PVP. Im starting to think this game will never be "fun" again.

Bartolo
03-06-2014, 06:35 PM
Is anyone really surprised anymore?

Luv4UR Mom
03-06-2014, 07:04 PM
I'm pretty sure the "chance" aspect of this game is considered gambling in California. Thus crime city must be approved by the state. Just like a casino. Odds must be displayed for each game.

I suggest gree consider this as helpful advice.

I'm pretty sure Gree doesn't care about your advice. If you'd like to test my theory, try sending them a ticket, advising them of your helpful notion, and let's see what response you get back.

TZora
03-06-2014, 07:23 PM
lol same story, different thread .. smh

lordsagacity
03-06-2014, 08:13 PM
My point comes down to product ownership, versus paying for entertainment in the form of a service. With a console game, you will always own that game. As long as you have a working medium (console), then you can consume that entertainment. With a mobile game that is 100% dependent on connectivity with a company's server, you will never own the game. Gree has expressed that we own nothing, not even our character nor the the inventory that you have "bought" (I like to view it as renting the right to use). This is why it is against TOS to sell your account or any other tangible (or intangible) aspect of the game. Gree can shut down and delete your account at any time, and they can shut down their servers at any time, for any reason they see fit. And they will shut down their servers one day - as soon as the their target market is exhausted (see burnt out) and the marginal cost exceeds the marginal benefit of operating the game.


Might be a stupid question. Is there something in a free market that we can buy but are forbidden to sell?
I guess it sounds ridiculous for outside guys: you spend amounts of time (hours of tapping per day) and money ($100/event) on some pixels which do not belong to you and can be taken back without your consent.

TZora
03-06-2014, 09:05 PM
you watch a movie ... you watch sports .. you pay for television and watch your favorite shows .. you play a video/pc game ......................... for what?

lordsagacity
03-06-2014, 09:22 PM
you watch a movie ... you watch sports .. you pay for television and watch your favorite shows .. you play a video/pc game ......................... for what?

For Call of Duty on PS4, you can either sell the game disc at Amazon or resume the game 10 years later. For Crime City, neither will happen. :p

Idiosyncrasy
03-06-2014, 09:22 PM
Might be a stupid question. Is there something in a free market that we can buy but are forbidden to sell?
I guess it sounds ridiculous for outside guys: you spend amounts of time (hours of tapping per day) and money ($100/event) on some pixels which do not belong to you and can be taken back without your consent.

That's actually a really good question. I think that is another reason we have to view all of our purchases in this game as rentals. If you rent a vehicle, you can't sell that vehicle to someone else without it being considered theft or fraud. That doesn't apply to all rentals though. For instance, you can rent a Redbox movie and never return it, and even sell it, and you would just be charged $25 for the movie. But that's a different case where there is a stipulation that allows the rental to be converted to ownership. Kind of a lease to buy kind of thing.

My only other thought would be anything that requires a license to do business, like a liquor license. I don't think you can technically re-sell that without a license, but I could be wrong.

lordsagacity
03-06-2014, 09:39 PM
That's actually a really good question. I think that is another reason we have to view all of our purchases in this game as rentals. If you rent a vehicle, you can't sell that vehicle to someone else without it being considered theft or fraud. That doesn't apply to all rentals though. For instance, you can rent a Redbox movie and never return it, and even sell it, and you would just be charged $25 for the movie. But that's a different case where there is a stipulation that allows the rental to be converted to ownership. Kind of a lease to buy kind of thing.

My only other thought would be anything that requires a license to do business, like a liquor license. I don't think you can technically re-sell that without a license, but I could be wrong.
We are talking about resell of car rental, not resell of car. We rent car and sell the usage to others as long as no insurance problems occur. If we view all of our purchases in this game as rentals and pay to rent mobile pixels as long as Gree holds the server, why can't we sell this rental to others?

Idiosyncrasy
03-06-2014, 09:53 PM
When you rent a car, only the person who bought and is listed on the contract can drive the car, right? Or does that only apply to the insurance coverage? I never understood why Gree won't let us sell things to each other. It would be a great marketplace. Buy things from other players with X percentage going to Gree. Some things transferable with in-game cash, others with gold. Maybe some things with multiple currency options. It would spice things up, add more control to a player's experience, build even more community involvement, and Gree could still make money. Offer up the super weapons at billions per, or an equivalent amount of gold.

I have deviated even further from the OP, but threads evolve.

sister morphine
03-06-2014, 10:47 PM
That's actually a really good question. I think that is another reason we have to view all of our purchases in this game as rentals. If you rent a vehicle, you can't sell that vehicle to someone else without it being considered theft or fraud. That doesn't apply to all rentals though. For instance, you can rent a Redbox movie and never return it, and even sell it, and you would just be charged $25 for the movie. But that's a different case where there is a stipulation that allows the rental to be converted to ownership. Kind of a lease to buy kind of thing.

My only other thought would be anything that requires a license to do business, like a liquor license. I don't think you can technically re-sell that without a license, but I could be wrong.
Why all the analogies? This game is just the same as any other computer software. You purchase a program but you don't own it; all you own is a license to use it.

As for Zora's post about paying for intangible entertainment; it's one that has been made before but is wrong. The price you pay for each of those may vary between providers but is essentially fixed (the same is true of the software above). I'm sure Gree's lawyers would argue the price here is fixed as zero - the game is free to play - but only a fool would say its possible to do so now with any hope of being remotely competitive.

The same applies to the rental argument. The cost there is per day or per month, but is still fixed. Other than those bits in Gree games where the price is fixed - buying crates, gold buildings or decorations, goodfella status etc, it's just gambling or an auction through and through.

Trinity_1985
03-06-2014, 11:19 PM
Suck it gree

Mackie Messer
03-07-2014, 12:51 AM
Succinct and to the point. ..I like that. Personally I've given up hope for a better CC. It is what it is.

TZora
03-07-2014, 04:38 AM
For Call of Duty on PS4, you can either sell the game disc at Amazon or resume the game 10 years later. For Crime City, neither will happen. :p
lol i should put this in my signature or something ..

this game requires more than just the money! time, brain, effort, commitment and a piece of your life! we not only spend money but spend a part of our life! we're all guilty of "spending" .. so stop cornering people who spend money! i really wish nobody buys gold but i have no problem with ppl who do because it is their choice. i just wish that this notorious company doesn't get ppl's money ..

reticlover
03-07-2014, 04:43 AM
took 2240 gold for me

dribblin todger
03-07-2014, 04:57 AM
We are all fools and Gree knows it, this is why they constantly pile insane demands upon us to build our character profile.

Furthermore we neither rent nor purchase, we just pay for the privilege to use their code, yes if you pay you should get the extra items, not be placed into a lottery

Winnson
03-07-2014, 05:00 AM
This LTQ let me do stage 4 twice.

I guess it figured I didn't do it well enough the first time and that I needed more practice, so after finishing stage 4, right back to the beginning of stage 4! Weeeee

Evil Eye
03-07-2014, 05:25 AM
lol same story, different thread .. smh

Until Gree fires it's staff and hires a new think tank it will always be the same.

sister morphine
03-07-2014, 07:58 AM
.. yes if you pay you should get the extra items, not be placed into a lottery
Can't agree with the idea that only people who pay should get stuff. The game is advertised as free to play. It should be possible for free players who put in the necessary commitment in time during ordinary quests to have a chance of winning the top prizes; by no means a guarantee of course - that would be stupid, but a chance nonetheless. If those players find themselves needing a small amount of gold (under half a vault that is) to get over the finish line I think they'd be more likely to do it.

Gold is merely a way of circumventing the time limitations on events (and players' personal time), and should be seen as such. But to give the impression that a player would have to spend $200+ each time just puts huge numbers off bothering.

None of this means the profit thing is out the window. Gree could restrict the very best prizes to such as leaderboard events, war and other gambling/auction style quests where those who have the money and wish to use it can do so.

TZora
03-07-2014, 10:14 AM
Gold is merely a way of circumventing the time limitations on events (and players' personal time), and should be seen as such. But to give the impression that a player would have to spend $200+ each time just puts huge numbers off bothering.
totally agree sis .. the way they should be doing is make the events doable. free players should be able to do the events in 5 days with dedication .. if anyone doesn't have the patience, can buy gold and finish the event in an hour. that's how it should be but anyway, the problem is, they're not in for a long term profit. they're more for the quick buck cuz they know it is not going to last for a long time.

cooch
03-07-2014, 10:53 AM
totally agree sis .. the way they should be doing is make the events doable. free players should be able to do the events in 5 days with dedication .. if anyone doesn't have the patience, can buy gold and finish the event in an hour. that's how it should be but anyway, the problem is, they're not in for a long term profit. they're more for the quick buck cuz they know it is not going to last for a long time.

Peeps need to vote with their fingers..quit or keep tapping but whining don't accomplish a thing. Gree tunes out of posts with whining. You are right that, if event is not glitched, you have a better chance of gaining top prize for random events spending gold, just like in the many casino freemium games. But doable without gold during a time event on random odds events is a stretch. In events that you can gain top prize simply by completing event yes.

Face it we are addicted. Once we realize and see how much RL is taken away many just quit. Interesting they use to retire, if spent gold, to free play. Now they just quit. Too many events is primary reason lately. Gold spend is a very close second.

cmbrbb
03-07-2014, 11:07 AM
Peeps need to vote with their fingers..quit or keep tapping but whining don't accomplish a thing. Gree tunes out of posts with whining. You are right that, if event is not glitched, you have a better chance of gaining top prize for random events spending gold, just like in the many casino freemium games. But doable without gold during a time event on random odds events is a stretch. In events that you can gain top prize simply by completing event yes.

What they need to do is what I suggested in the poll I created. They need to stop pumping out 9 or 10 crappy events that are riddled with issues and put out 3-5 events that have been properly tested and are creative. Allow the events to be able to be completed by everyone but as other people suggested add modifiers based on the time it takes you to complete it.
Face it we are addicted. Once we realize and see how much RL is taken away many just quit. Interesting they use to retire, if spent gold, to free play. Now they just quit. Too many events is primary reason lately. Gold spend is a very close second.