[Updated] Official 11+ Movement Thread

[SmokeSomePeaches]

Most guilds that have a high minimum currently wouldn't let someone join right away anyways. You have to prove yourself first dude. Your example is pretty much useless

[mikieblue]

I honestly think that this control is best in GM hands. The impact is heaviest for top 10 and top 25. We should be able to self police it for sure.

[Sol Invictus]

Here's a novel idea...

Just make war scores from the last war accessible up until the day of the next war.

I usually do my recruiting in that period where you can see scores and I really don't let too many people in outside of that. If that period was longer, that'd be nice.

Or even put in a new tab on their profile and include a players last couple of scores.

[Dark Prince]

Yes please add a previous War score tab

[busteroaf]

Wow. More great ideas from the movement. Go you!

Actually, it's been requested many times over. Still not there. Keep waiting kids.

2-3 more months

[Skittle Stomper]

Nah by the time spenders quit, they would have stop making weekly updates (no epic boss, no arena, no guildwar), then they will shut down the game. Look at what happened to monster quest.

MQ is still going & ignorant noobies still prob even buy gems. Gree doesn't shut down games, they just walk away & move staff to new projects.

Guess what, they walked away from KD right after The Great Old Ones, the first & last LTQ; LTQs in KD wouldnt generate a fraction of the spending it does in the other games. They have wars for that.

As for weekly bosses, we started getting recolors awhile ago.

Gree bought KD from Iugo so they could attach their guild war model to it, then keep a skeleton crew around for basic modding & coding.

There's no new content coming, & old content isn't gonna change.

/reality

As for a war profile screen, I'm pretty sure I suggested this around 6 months ago?
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?63537-Preemptive-Strike!-How-to-fix-Guild-Wars-amp-Arena!/page2&highlight=Preemptive+strike


if this is your 4th gree game then you are more of an idiot than I originally thought. Every heard the saying " Screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me" ? And this is your 4th

Why do you think I knew exactly how to build & lead the #1 guild brosky? I know how Gree works. I also only spend money on my IOS games. Ppl pay for top 100 in KA what top 10 pays in KD. & their rewards aren't a useless piece of trash totally negated by the existence of stripping.

[a MenTaL CaSe]

So the top 100 rewards are different/better on ios knd vs android knd? Or is it the same?

[The Pale Rider]

Yes please add a previous War score tab

This one really is minimal programming effort. It's just a matter of leaving the GW icon for the prior GW up until the next one is close to starting (a few days before typically), instead of taking it down and putting it back up. I understand this connects to the reward redemption period, so either limit that to the current time (72 hours I think) or let people redeem for a longer period.

[The Pale Rider]

MQ is still going & ignorant noobies still prob even buy gems. Gree doesn't shut down games, they just walk away & move staff to new projects.

Guess what, they walked away from KD right after The Great Old Ones, the first & last LTQ; LTQs in KD wouldnt generate a fraction of the spending it does in the other games. They have wars for that.

As for weekly bosses, we started getting recolors awhile ago.

Gree bought KD from Iugo so they could attach their guild war model to it, then keep a skeleton crew around for basic modding & coding.

There's no new content coming, & old content isn't gonna change.

/reality

As for a war profile screen, I'm pretty sure I suggested this around 6 months ago?
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?63537-Preemptive-Strike!-How-to-fix-Guild-Wars-amp-Arena!/page2&highlight=Preemptive+strike

Why do you think I knew exactly how to build & lead the #1 guild brosky? I know how Gree works. I also only spend money on my IOS games. Ppl pay for top 100 in KA what top 10 pays in KD. & their rewards aren't a useless piece of trash totally negated by the existence of stripping.

Welcome back! We all acknowledge your expertise in understanding GREE and its crappy history of managing its games. I think the Arena upgrade was subsequent to the Great Old Ones. Restating good ideas that have been previously mentioned IS A GOOD IDEA. Pointing out that it was previously suggested is fine too, since it illustrates how long GREE has ignored the good idea. Hundreds of threads on this forum suggest good ideas - **** there's a admin poll full of them too. Why do we keep doing the same thing hoping for a different outcome -- cause we insane.

[Skittle Stomper]

The new arena introduced power attack....
Gree = out of touch. The new arena blows in so many ways.

[EljayK]

The new arena was nothing more than a shiny object with a bright reflection to distract you from the slightly less blinding failure behind it.

[ShadowDash1089]

we can happily announce now the first result for the united community aka 11+ movement:
the ban hammer ! like the wise one mentioned - they paid attention and did a great effort to ban all these cheaters.
mentioning they even triple checked which means it was manually! so thanks gree, wise one and elite for your support in us - your customers and community players. please continue working with us :cool:

[steelcityunited]

we can happily announce now the first result for the united community aka 11+ movement:
the ban hammer ! like the wise one mentioned - they paid attention and did a great effort to ban all these cheaters.
mentioning they even triple checked which means it was manually! so thanks gree, wise one and elite for your support in us - your customers and community players. please continue working with us :cool:

Wow this is incredable....level playing field!!!!
Big thumbs up for 11+ movement and gree

[iH8tBANNEDftw]

we can happily announce now the first result for the united community aka 11+ movement:
the ban hammer ! like the wise one mentioned - they paid attention and did a great effort to ban all these cheaters.
mentioning they even triple checked which means it was manually! so thanks gree, wise one and elite for your support in us - your customers and community players. please continue working with us :cool:
That is only the first step.

[Sol Invictus]

Ha.
This one guy came into our guild with all these nice armors saying he spends all kinds of money on the game, challenging one of our biggest gemspenders to a gemspending battle for this war.

Then he up and leaves all of a sudden.

Pretty funny. Good work GREE. I welcome this move, but the only thing I might ask for is that you give out warnings to some people if their offense isn't as eggregious because some people seem to think their punishment was undeserved...so maybe they didn't know they were doing something wrong?

Hate to see good players get the boot because they made a little mistake.
Chronic offenders, sure. But maybe someone finds a way to get an increased Fusion Stone drop rates or something...something like that isn't so bad.

[busteroaf]

we can happily announce now the first result for the united community aka 11+ movement:
the ban hammer ! like the wise one mentioned - they paid attention and did a great effort to ban all these cheaters.
mentioning they even triple checked which means it was manually! so thanks gree, wise one and elite for your support in us - your customers and community players. please continue working with us :cool:

Yeah... they paid attention. No offense, but, No. Hacking/cheat prevention should be an ongoing thing, not just a "oh hey, some people are asking for more hacking/cheat prevention... lets ban some people and claim it was because of 'the movement.' " But if you want to call it a win for the movement because it was something you listed, great. Call it a win. You're eating whatever Gree feeds you at this point to make yourselves feel better. Out of the people being banned, Hades was the most prominent because he was part of the Rainbow crew. People get banned daily, its not some grand thing that all the sudden people were noticed to be cheating and then got banned because of a "movement".


Wow this is incredable....level playing field!!!!
Big thumbs up for 11+ movement and gree

So a few people get banned and you think its going to level the playing field? We're how many wars in are we? Those with better armor and more friends (and bigger wallets) always have the advantage. You're clueless.


That is only the first step.

If this is actually a result of the 11+... Great. Super. Awesome. You guys are so... whatever the word is.

And seriously. If you think that because one more Rainbow person was banned, you want to jump on the "banned"-wagon and claim they're all cheaters... again, check your facts. Rainbow always did their part to notify Gree of found exploits/hacks in order to prevent it, and anyone who ever talked of hacks/cheats/exploits were immediately kicked from chat groups/guilds. Of course, you believe what you want to believe when you're at the bottom looking up.

[King juju]

Ha.
This one guy came into our guild with all these nice armors saying he spends all kinds of money on the game, challenging one of our biggest gemspenders to a gemspending battle for this war.

Then he up and leaves all of a sudden.

Pretty funny. Good work GREE. I welcome this move, but the only thing I might ask for is that you give out warnings to some people if their offense isn't as eggregious because some people seem to think their punishment was undeserved...so maybe they didn't know they were doing something wrong?

Hate to see good players get the boot because they made a little mistake.
Chronic offenders, sure. But maybe someone finds a way to get an increased Fusion Stone drop rates or something...something like that isn't so bad.

I disagree. Any form of advantage gained through cheating is bad. No matter how little. You see the difference in war points right after wave of bans? I doubt it had to do anything with fusion stones.

[Skittle Stomper]

we can happily announce now the first result for the united community aka 11+ movement:
the ban hammer ! like the wise one mentioned - they paid attention and did a great effort to ban all these cheaters.
mentioning they even triple checked which means it was manually! so thanks gree, wise one and elite for your support in us - your customers and community players. please continue working with us :cool:

This guy is being facetious right? Gree triple checked? I literally laughed out loud. Aren't there 3+ threads up about innocent ppl being banned & some ppl having no idea why they were banned?
& her name is Elita...


Wow this is incredable....level playing field!!!!
Big thumbs up for 11+ movement and gree

It's incredible that you can't spell incredible. Level playing field..what..? How many gems do you spend per war?
If you guys actually think that whatever it is you think happened was a step toward improvement in war rewards...

Stay in school. Maybe one day you'll even get to highschool.

[busteroaf]

Does this sourpuss ever stop emanating fumes of pure angst and bitterness?


Which is creepier: The clip art photoshopped poop picture or the fact he's googled me and is stalking me? Sheesh.

Either way, yes Sol, you're right. KnD was NOT the only game I've ever played with the "Busteroaf" tag. Congrats on outing me as a former WoW player. I haven't been monogamous to KnD. What EVER will I do now that people can see I played another game? Newsflash: Most of my guilds and people in chats with me knew I played WoW. Nothing new. I'd wager a majority of us have. But keep shoveling.

Actually, since you like poop, and shoveling **** all day apparently... You will now be known as:
the Poopsmith.

http://jennawoestman.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/poopsmith.png

Homestarrunner.com (http://www.homestarrunner.com). learn it, know it, there will be a quiz later.

[Kangaroeland]

Yeah... they paid attention. No offense, but, No. Hacking/cheat prevention should be an ongoing thing, not just a "oh hey, some people are asking for more hacking/cheat prevention... lets ban some people and claim it was because of 'the movement.' " But if you want to call it a win for the movement because it was something you listed, great. Call it a win. You're eating whatever Gree feeds you at this point to make yourselves feel better. Out of the people being banned, Hades was the most prominent because he was part of the Rainbow crew. People get banned daily, its not some grand thing that all the sudden people were noticed to be cheating and then got banned because of a "movement".



So a few people get banned and you think its going to level the playing field? We're how many wars in are we? Those with better armor and more friends (and bigger wallets) always have the advantage. You're clueless.



If this is actually a result of the 11+... Great. Super. Awesome. You guys are so... whatever the word is.

And seriously. If you think that because one more Rainbow person was banned, you want to jump on the "banned"-wagon and claim they're all cheaters... again, check your facts. Rainbow always did their part to notify Gree of found exploits/hacks in order to prevent it, and anyone who ever talked of hacks/cheats/exploits were immediately kicked from chat groups/guilds. Of course, you believe what you want to believe when you're at the bottom looking up.

Come on man you have to admit this is a great thing and that the public pressure *might* have something to do with it? I do agree this isnt a thing we should be overly delighted about as it should be a standard but just to have that standard set (hopefully gree will continue doing this / code a anti-cheat thing) is nice.


Please stop digging up personal info thats a terrible thing to do even to buster ;)

[iH8tBANNEDftw]

Yeah... they paid attention. No offense, but, No. Hacking/cheat prevention should be an ongoing thing, not just a "oh hey, some people are asking for more hacking/cheat prevention... lets ban some people and claim it was because of 'the movement.' " But if you want to call it a win for the movement because it was something you listed, great. Call it a win. You're eating whatever Gree feeds you at this point to make yourselves feel better. Out of the people being banned, Hades was the most prominent because he was part of the Rainbow crew. People get banned daily, its not some grand thing that all the sudden people were noticed to be cheating and then got banned because of a "movement".



So a few people get banned and you think its going to level the playing field? We're how many wars in are we? Those with better armor and more friends (and bigger wallets) always have the advantage. You're clueless.



If this is actually a result of the 11+... Great. Super. Awesome. You guys are so... whatever the word is.

And seriously. If you think that because one more Rainbow person was banned, you want to jump on the "banned"-wagon and claim they're all cheaters... again, check your facts. Rainbow always did their part to notify Gree of found exploits/hacks in order to prevent it, and anyone who ever talked of hacks/cheats/exploits were immediately kicked from chat groups/guilds. Of course, you believe what you want to believe when you're at the bottom looking up.
I never once mentioned any 1 rainbow guild. I am the same as you, a retired player using the forums as a form of communication. Are we both on the bottom then?

[busteroaf]

I never once mentioned any 1 rainbow guild. I am the same as you, a retired player using the forums as a form of communication. Are we both on the bottom then?

My apologies. I was not saying "you" specifically mentioned Hades. I should have separated my statements a little better.

As far as being on the bottom looking up? Na. I see myself as more of an "off to the side" type person. I've never been one to automatically assume just because someone scores the most points or wins more battles or has better armors that they are a cheater. While I do feel most people are generally stupid and have no common sense, I have faith in people to play honestly. It's weird, I know.

[Skittle Stomper]

Come on man you have to admit this is a great thing and that the public pressure *might* have something to do with it? I do agree this isnt a thing we should be overly delighted about as it should be a standard but just to have that standard set (hopefully gree will continue doing this / code a anti-cheat thing) is nice.

The "standard" for being banned has always been there, & they have always done autoban sweeps. Since day 1 of companies existence.

The fact that they can just half heartedly attribute it to 11+ & you all gobble it up is quite telling.

Not that I'm surprised, the guy in the other thread thinks that datamining future armor models proves Gree is working hard to release new content.

/facepalm

[busteroaf]

So wait, I have a question now. Who modified the original post?

I noticed the " *Change play store rating to 1* " line is now gone, and the message about not boycotting is posted by Elita. Was this removed by Mikieblue and this was something that was removed by the movement since they finally responded? Or did Elita take liberties with the post? Just curious.

Technically, they're still within their right to rate the game a 1 until more changes happen, or as they see fit, are they not? Its not a boycott, its a rating. Am I the only one to notice this?

[Dianish]

So wait, I have a question now. Who modified the original post?

I noticed the " *Change play store rating to 1* " line is now gone, and the message about not boycotting is posted by Elita. Was this removed by Mikieblue and this was something that was removed by the movement since they finally responded? Or did Elita take liberties with the post? Just curious.

Technically, they're still within their right to rate the game a 1 until more changes happen, or as they see fit, are they not? Its not a boycott, its a rating. Am I the only one to notice this?


No, you were not the only one to notice it. I've thought it to but we will never know. Probably getting banned if asking about it.

[busteroaf]

No, you were not the only one to notice it. I've thought it to but we will never know. Probably getting banned if asking about it.

Well, if mikieblue didn't change it, it's a pretty shady thing to do.

I'm not "pro-movement" by any stretch, but they shouldn't censor a right that is allowed to everyone every time you download an app in the App Store/Play Market.

[Sir William]

This is in virtually every forums guidelines:

"We reserve the right to edit or remove posts at any time for any reason"

It so happens to be found in a thread in this section started by CJ.

[busteroaf]

Edit posts... yeah, I guess.

Pretty ****ty though if it actually happens.

[Skittle Stomper]

A few choice VIPs from Gree & several 11-year old representatives of the Movement, erm, I mean representatives of the 11+ Movement, were beamed aboard the Enterprise as an accepted 3rd party ground.

The first steps towards peace were taken as concessions were made on both sides.
The 11+ year olds would remove the requirement of lowering K&D store rating if Gree would make a more public awareness of any actions taken against alleged hackers.

One day, we will all be part of the same Federation.

[SmudgePudge]

You guys know that if we can pull this off it will benefit the top 10 guilds as well right? High tide raises all ships?

[smujica93]

You guys know that if we can pull this off it will benefit the top 10 guilds as well right? High tide raises all ships?

It won't benefit the top 10. If anything it'll raise the standard for top 10.

[XK Domo]

We are dedicated players making a jump into the top 50. Our reward for this? Black frost. ..really? Real prizes for the rest of us would spawn more medium gemmers. Maybe an older epic for the top 50. Gree still gets money we actually get a "reward".

Line Id:
XkDomo

[The Pale Rider]

We are dedicated players making a jump into the top 50. Our reward for this? Black frost. ..really? Real prizes for the rest of us would spawn more medium gemmers. Maybe an older epic for the top 50. Gree still gets money we actually get a "reward".

Line Id:
XkDomo

My vote for the "reading comprehension award" goes to this guy. And after only 29 pages and several hundred "11+" mentions.

[hispandrix]

I support 11+ movement

It would be nice that anyone above a certain level be rewarded to make it more challenging. There's way too much hacking going on, and I can't believe I've dropped money on this game to just be disappointed. I love the game, but it needs some help.

[Dave3d]

+11
:)
Not spending anymore until shizznit gets fixed (3 accounts, 95% of time 800 pack gem purchases).
2-8 misses in a row.
This war was seeing 150's in points, against Sent/GM/GC. Why level to 100+ and get epic armor, for crappy 150's points?
Nothing to do past level 100. Epic Boss is just 'something to do', I dont ever craft the armors. Have much better 5-star epics.
Arena is boring.
4 day war? About the only thing to do.
Combining armor is sorta fun, but gets old after 40 non-epics.

[Slayer 1]

+11
:)
Not spending anymore until shizznit gets fixed (3 accounts, 95% of time 800 pack gem purchases).
2-8 misses in a row.
This war was seeing 150's in points, against Sent/GM/GC. Why level to 100+ and get epic armor, for crappy 150's points?
Nothing to do past level 100. Epic Boss is just 'something to do', I dont ever craft the armors. Have much better 5-star epics.
Arena is boring.
4 day war? About the only thing to do.
Combining armor is sorta fun, but gets old after 40 non-epics.

....yet record spending this war. Your concerns are irrelevant

[busteroaf]

....yet record spending this war. Your concerns are irrelevant

Record spending? Says who?

[smujica93]

....yet record spending this war. Your concerns are irrelevant

This was one of the lowest spending wars in a while. Hellfire was probably the highest scoring war.

[Slayer 1]

This was one of the lowest spending wars in a while. Hellfire was probably the highest scoring war.

Ok - change 'record' to 'significant'.

Going off total points in the top 50. I can't speak to Busteroafs history here (Since his first EB was "The Elvis" back in '62 ...WAY before the heyday wars of multi-hued armors of the early 70's...) - but having to break 2mil to crack the top 50 hasn't been done in the last 5-6 wars.

POINT IS - n-o-t-h-i-n-g is going to change because people ***** for it on the boards or some sill-assed 11+ 'movement'. You'd be better served writing your complaints on a 3x5 card and slipping it between two shipping containers on a slow boat to Taiwan.

[The Pale Rider]

Ok - change 'record' to 'significant'.

Going off total points in the top 50. I can't speak to Busteroafs history here (Since his first EB was "The Elvis" back in '62 ...WAY before the heyday wars of multi-hued armors of the early 70's...) - but having to break 2mil to crack the top 50 hasn't been done in the last 5-6 wars.

POINT IS - n-o-t-h-i-n-g is going to change because people ***** for it on the boards or some sill-assed 11+ 'movement'. You'd be better served writing your complaints on a 3x5 card and slipping it between two shipping containers on a slow boat to Taiwan.

Easy (and incredibly unoriginal) answer is to predict nothing happens and everyone who tries is stupid. Reality is GREE is open to cheap and easy ideas to implement that will generate more money. Better rewards for top 25 and top 50 cost zero to implement. They will produce a surge in spending. This war shows that as the spending in 50-12 increased. All it takes is a weak 11th place and GREEs income drops percipitously. It's been very fortunate to have a gemming guild in 11th willing to fight hard for several wars. If there are only 10 really serious guilds, the spending plummets. I bet the difference between 25th place and 10th place hasn't been this close in months same for 50 to 10th place. GREE will get a lot more money if it incentivizes these guilds to really push for an actual reward (other than just the ability to say they came in ___ place).

[09cobaltss]

And yet on Android the scores for top 50 were down

[The Pale Rider]

Also with mael fuseable and cloud the referral bonus -- air/water is pretty saturated.

[Bshappell]

Am I the only one that sees gree's last 11-50 reward as an amazing response to you 11+ retards lol.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[09cobaltss]

Am I the only one that sees gree's last 11-50 reward as an amazing response to you 11+ retards lol.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 well considering it was decided before the "retards" were even responded to maybe

[Dark Prince]

Kingdom Age had a similar 'game strike' and if you go read their forums they actually got a pretty decent update

[Everdark]

I'm a full supporter of the 11+ movement. but one thing i have not seen brought up (yet, or i may have overlooked). Once, there was a quest chain that required us to farm an obscene amount of materials, (like 200+ of each basic element, 50 of the silver star, 25 of the gold star, etc) It's a bit over kill. but at the same time, i had a lot of fun pursuing that goal because it was a time crunch as well as an objective/goal behind farming. I feel there should be similar quests linked with Epic Bosses, whether it's farming supplies (to help with leveling the current armor), or kill certain monsters x amount of times, only stating the monster's name and you have to "find it".

this would help with guild progression/leveling, as well as giving the casual players something to do. The rewards would/could be simple too. first tier quest = gold (maybe 25-50k for leveling armor), 2nd tier could be 2-5 fusion stars, and 3rd tier could be a gold/DP key, for chance of boosts/nemesis.

Also... why not make it a 1% chance where you can win a higher tier key from a chest. (silver key chance gold, gold chance DP, and during events DP chance special chest keys).

These simple changes are enough to help the casual player have "more to do" without adding content.

[Slayer 1]

Easy (and incredibly unoriginal) answer is to predict nothing happens and everyone who tries is stupid. Reality is GREE is open to cheap and easy ideas to implement that will generate more money. Better rewards for top 25 and top 50 cost zero to implement. They will produce a surge in spending. This war shows that as the spending in 50-12 increased. All it takes is a weak 11th place and GREEs income drops percipitously. It's been very fortunate to have a gemming guild in 11th willing to fight hard for several wars. If there are only 10 really serious guilds, the spending plummets. I bet the difference between 25th place and 10th place hasn't been this close in months same for 50 to 10th place. GREE will get a lot more money if it incentivizes these guilds to really push for an actual reward (other than just the ability to say they came in ___ place).

Seriously? For you - or any of the other pontificating blowhards here - to cite 'unoriginality' as a precursor to posting - you'd have a pretty blank forum, and a cast of characters forever muted.

My point was that an insignificant number of folks (combine every active forum member now - including the ridiculous few claiming retirement - and you have a relatively insignificant number compared to the total player pool) whining/touting/screaming/justifiably protesting/whatever on some come-hither-by-default forum has very little overall effect on an international game. To think otherwise rises to a level of self-importance ....... well, that's typical here :-)

[busteroaf]

Seriously? For you - or any of the other pontificating blowhards here - to cite 'unoriginality' as a precursor to posting - you'd have a pretty blank forum, and a cast of characters forever muted.

My point was that an insignificant number of folks (combine every active forum member now - including the ridiculous few claiming retirement - and you have a relatively insignificant number compared to the total player pool) whining/touting/screaming/justifiably protesting/whatever on some come-hither-by-default forum has very little overall effect on an international game. To think otherwise rises to a level of self-importance ....... well, that's typical here :-)

Pretty long post for only 3 sentences. Grats.

Also, good job including yourself in those who think their importance is any higher than... you know, typical level here.

[Sol Invictus]

Says the guy whose every other post is about himself.

[SlaveMasterr]

This is bull**** Gree. In the description you gave us you said yourself that only players that follow the rules will be awarded with the prize. Your main rule that the story could only be 4 sentences was the reason why so many people only wrote a short story. Now you're saying **** you to the people that followed the rules and rewarding the players that didn't follow the rules. So how you expect us to play fair when you guys are the hypocrite ones?

[Reversal]

I'm a full supporter of the 11+ movement. but one thing i have not seen brought up (yet, or i may have overlooked). Once, there was a quest chain that required us to farm an obscene amount of materials, (like 200+ of each basic element, 50 of the silver star, 25 of the gold star, etc) It's a bit over kill. but at the same time, i had a lot of fun pursuing that goal because it was a time crunch as well as an objective/goal behind farming. I feel there should be similar quests linked with Epic Bosses, whether it's farming supplies (to help with leveling the current armor), or kill certain monsters x amount of times, only stating the monster's name and you have to "find it".

this would help with guild progression/leveling, as well as giving the casual players something to do. The rewards would/could be simple too. first tier quest = gold (maybe 25-50k for leveling armor), 2nd tier could be 2-5 fusion stars, and 3rd tier could be a gold/DP key, for chance of boosts/nemesis.

Also... why not make it a 1% chance where you can win a higher tier key from a chest. (silver key chance gold, gold chance DP, and during events DP chance special chest keys).

These simple changes are enough to help the casual player have "more to do" without adding content.

Good post, but yes overlooked.
Your first point falls under the catagory: * Additional LT quests to be added.
The list created by the 11+ Movement has been carefully considered by Veterans and Juniors in the game after hefty debates.

About your second point (At least I think this is what you mentioned?)
I don't agree with giving the Silver/Enhanced/Dark Prince chest a chance for winning a Key for the higher Tier.
This is because I actually like my Enchanted Chests the way they are now.
I actually think I can speak for a lot of people who dislike the Dark Prince Chest rewards.
Nemesis these days are useless unless they get some potential use in addition to just having better stats against the boss. Legendaries are cool but the drop rate is very low. Also there are no Fusion Stones or Fusion Boost Armors to be found in the Dark Prince Chest.

[Heredia]

All the Italian Knights members support the 11+ Movement

[ZiZaK]

All members of guild SPAIN ( 40 members ) and members of our other guild SPAIN Academy, support the 11+ movement, we have to change this !!!

[Slayer 1]

Pretty long post for only 3 sentences. Grats.

Also, good job including yourself in those who think their importance is any higher than... you know, typical level here.

Well, gee - thanks for taking time out of your busy day to post a review of my ....posting. Whatever.

Anyhow - practical advice for the "11+-ers"?
1) reduce your list of demands to 1. Uno. Eine. aka: singular. Harp on it - focus on it, and drive that 1, most important, point home. See if you get a response. See if you can actually illicit change. See if Gree 'cares' about your movement enough to take action on 1 thing.
2) IF they respond to your 'request' (sounds much nicer than demand) then you've got a flow of conversation. Then you can further inquire to other changes. If they don't respond? Then...
3) Continue chanting. This is fun to watch.

What's with the conjoined twin (King Mark)? You making some sort of political statement/tribute - or just not able to let go of that little "337", since number of postings here seems to hold some sort of status?

[busteroaf]

The Mark thing is/was because it was a happy time when he was perma-banned. Nothing to do with post count. I would say look at the post history, but you'd have to look back a long way before you'd understand.

[Slayer 1]

ok. Good deal - was just curious as it was rather unique. Thanks.

[Zyntree]

My oh my, I leave KnD for a month or so and 11+ goes viral! At least the forums have something worth arguing about again. I haven't read the 31 pages posted here, but agree with Slayer in the posts above that immediately demanding these 11 things, of which some are wonderful ideas, and others questionable imo, is starting off a little strong, but hey, maybe something will happen.

I would really like to see a united front against the spending however (even though I stopped some time ago personally), as it would send a message. There was something about market forces and busteroaf's bistro some time back (nice graphic btw Sol). I've no desire to open that can of worm again, but it is certain, without a doubt (in my mind) that the only thing that will make GREE listen to any of this seriously, is a top 10 score distribution in the 2 million range for several wars in a row.

That's market force. That's making a statement. Actually hit their pocket book, with everyone, more than once, or nothing will happen. That isn't saying that what happens is what you want thoguh. perhaps they percieve this as the game has run its course? perhaps the just stop supporting it.

Clearly GREE has no track record of being a quality company out for the best interest of its gamers. it hasn't taken suggestions in the past to improve the game significantly (it has just done whatever it wanted irrespective of us), so I wouldn't hold my breath for it to start now.

KnD has an amazing amount of potential to be much more than it is. 11+ is trying to get it there. For that I salute you. I tried for a while too. Nothing happened. I quit. I'll cross my fingers it's different this time though. It might be if you can actually pull off a few 2 million top 10s

[bosskiller]

My oh my, I leave KnD for a month or so and 11+ goes viral! At least the forums have something worth arguing about again. I haven't read the 31 pages posted here, but agree with Slayer in the posts above that immediately demanding these 11 things, of which some are wonderful ideas, and others questionable imo, is starting off a little strong, but hey, maybe something will happen.

I would really like to see a united front against the spending however (even though I stopped some time ago personally), as it would send a message. There was something about market forces and busteroaf's bistro some time back (nice graphic btw Sol). I've no desire to open that can of worm again, but it is certain, without a doubt (in my mind) that the only thing that will make GREE listen to any of this seriously, is a top 10 score distribution in the 2 million range for several wars in a row.

That's market force. That's making a statement. Actually hit their pocket book, with everyone, more than once, or nothing will happen. That isn't saying that what happens is what you want thoguh. perhaps they percieve this as the game has run its course? perhaps the just stop supporting it.

Clearly GREE has no track record of being a quality company out for the best interest of its gamers. it hasn't taken suggestions in the past to improve the game significantly (it has just done whatever it wanted irrespective of us), so I wouldn't hold my breath for it to start now.

KnD has an amazing amount of potential to be much more than it is. 11+ is trying to get it there. For that I salute you. I tried for a while too. Nothing happened. I quit. I'll cross my fingers it's different this time though. It might be if you can actually pull off a few 2 million top 10s

hey, it was pretty close last time. Hopefully they get the point.

[Jammes]

I'm newbie.. please help to play game.
http://www.bediro.com/images/3/w1.png

[obviously]

This stop spending thing....it's lol

If RR and DK said ok we will not spend this war, how fast do you think a 5-10 guild would max the credit cards to be the ones that broke the streak?

It'll never happen

[busteroaf]

This stop spending thing....it's lol

If RR and DK said ok we will not spend this war, how fast do you think a 5-10 guild would max the credit cards to be the ones that broke the streak?

It'll never happen

I don't know, how fast would they? The better question, is "are there guilds in the 11-50 range that would open up their bank accounts to try and take a top 10 spot?"

The whole point of the movement is for better rewards for 11+, and one of the biggest arguments is that if they had better rewards, they would spend more. I'd like to see a few of the Top 10 not spend and see just how much the fill-in people pony up for an epic before I have enough faith that those in the 11+ are actually going to spend for the better rewards they want to see.

[obviously]

I stand corrected...I don't even see DK on the boards this war

[Sir Bup]

i guess they added more checks now which makes the game unplayable it takes me at least 30 mins too open chest 3 times with all the freezeing and then it says Knights and dragons not responding it really sucks yes we need more levels without the same creatures too battle and million baby t-rex dressed differently come on your team can do better then that... and guild war prizes now suck lol you actually could get some armor before last update

[XK Domo]

Let's make the game more fun and make more money for gree.



Patience is running out for many knd players. Poor communication and lacking effort from GREE has brought together many top players and guilds...

We all love this game and change needs to happen. We need to grab GREE's attention! I'll be acting as a spokesperson for knd players and contacting gree directly on Monday.

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war
* New map levels
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward.
* Additional things to do for level 100+
* HC only to have declare ability.
* Additional LT quests to be added.
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks

We are asking ALL players to...

* Post the list of requirements in a comment on play store, titled. we support the 11+ movemenent
* Add "I support 11+ movement" to forum signatures
* Spread awareness of what we are doing...

**Please refrain from boycotting in the forums as this is against ToS. Thanks!! (Elita)**

[Sol Invictus]

The rewards for the coming war will show whether or not they actually listened.

I know a lot of guilds have already started to make moves to be more competitive for 11-50. I know Elita is aware of how important this is for us.

Let's hope that when The Wise One says that they listened to us and when Elita says that they like some of our ideas, that GREE does the right thing and responds in a way that will improve the game and keep a lot of the great players around who might otherwise quit.

[Sol Invictus]

Wow. I am very happy that GREE listened to us and changed rewards. Very grateful that they made an attempt to make us happy. This is a great start and hopefully improvement continues.



And is "Sol Vanguard" a hat tip reference, or a coincidence?
Whoa.

[Xiros]

Really be gratefull for what you got now don't call a 26+ the 25 is more as enough. Now they need to make the top 10 prices nicer... or they need to keep elements of 11-25 same as top 10. really a glasscannon fire epic.... really.... rather have the forgestone lol.

[Xiros]

Now it's time for you retards to find something else to complain about huh

Look at yourself, what are you paying for the game? We pay a lot and with the current changes I regret even doing that.
Also the 11+ movement was great for the banning of cheaters and hackers. Also refrain from calling people retards without knowing them at all.

[mikieblue]

Great moment for 11+! Thanks for all of your support guys n ignore the haters... As expected gree came through for a reasonable and well structured request!

Major props to gree!!!! and all the guys who kept the faith! 11+ will continue.. Please link in in a few hours as we plan to adjust ratings and remove satisfied objectives from our requests!

[Sol Invictus]

Anyone happen to know what the cutoff for top 25 was in the last 3-day?
It'd be interesting to see if it moves at all after this.

Should've made a note of it before but neglected to think about it then.

[Skittle Stomper]

Finally, all those members of 11-25 guilds can actually have some good armor to use against all the new content.

lol.

[EljayK]

Anyone happen to know what the cutoff for top 25 was in the last 3-day?
It'd be interesting to see if it moves at all after this.

Should've made a note of it before but neglected to think about it then.

I predict that top 25 will just end up being super expensive the way top 10 is now. PEople will get more accustomed to spending more, and free players will have a wider gap to deal with. With that being said, I imagine 800-1000 gem minimum per member for top 25 from this point forward, if it isn't already.

[Sol Invictus]

Not SUPER expensive. Forgestone has been fuseable for awhile now.

I already have it. I'm not spending my gems to get it as a war reward.

But one of the big things we've been trying to say is that better rewards = more competition = more gems spent = more revenue for GREE.

So, it would be nice if that happens and then maybe in a little while they'll throw a bone to 26-50 as well.

[busteroaf]

Not SUPER expensive. Forgestone has been fuseable for awhile now.

I already have it. I'm not spending my gems to get it as a war reward.

But one of the big things we've been trying to say is that better rewards = more competition = more gems spent = more revenue for GREE.

So, it would be nice if that happens and then maybe in a little while they'll throw a bone to 26-50 as well.

Don't be so sure yet. You can't say "better rewards = more competition = more gems spent = more revenue for GREE" until AFTER the war and you see a dramatic increase in points, to the point that you HAVE TO attribute it to gem spending. Again, you're counting your chickens before they're hatched, like I've said before. I really hope that there DOES end up being an increase, and the better rewards continue. Maybe it'll make the game more fun for more people, and there is hope for more change. Otherwise, just like you're doing some predicting, I predict that the rewards will go back to being crap.

And please, thinking they named the armor after you is a douchey as thinking they named the Red Kal armor after Rediye from RR. Especially posting about it in multiple threads. Please, don't be that guy.

[White Avenger]

[QUOTE=mikieblue;1211603]Patience is running out for many knd players. Poor communication and lacking effort from GREE has brought together many top players and guilds...

We all love this game and change needs to happen. We need to grab GREE's attention! I'll be acting as a spokesperson for knd players and contacting gree directly on Monday.

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war
* New map levels
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward.
* Additional things to do for level 100+
* HC only to have declare ability.
* Additional LT quests to be added.
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks

New map levels? You mean increase the level cap I'm assuming?

1. They need to have something in the game at the end content that doesn't revolve from them milking us for more money. It would be nice to have your nice armor (that has been purchased) have the opportunity without Gree double dipping from our wallets again in at least one aspect of the end content of the game with nice rewards.

2. Prince chests should have epics.

3. 30 gem chests should be plus armors.

4. Better War rewards 100+

5. Track gem spent and after so many gems spent you get to pick from some epics plus armors. Not 5000 gems either.

6. A Subscription for a preferred account with a pile of gems given each month. Content only for the preferred members with events that are non gem based.

[King juju]

[QUOTE=mikieblue;1211603]Patience is running out for many knd players. Poor communication and lacking effort from GREE has brought together many top players and guilds...

We all love this game and change needs to happen. We need to grab GREE's attention! I'll be acting as a spokesperson for knd players and contacting gree directly on Monday.

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war
* New map levels
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward.
* Additional things to do for level 100+
* HC only to have declare ability.
* Additional LT quests to be added.
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks

New map levels? You mean increase the level cap I'm assuming?

1. They need to have something in the game at the end content that doesn't revolve from them milking us for more money. It would be nice to have your nice armor (that has been purchased) have the opportunity without Gree double dipping from our wallets again in at least one aspect of the end content of the game with nice rewards.

2. Prince chests should have epics.

3. 30 gem chests should be plus armors.

4. Better War rewards 100+

5. Track gem spent and after so many gems spent you get to pick from some epics plus armors. Not 5000 gems either.

6. A Subscription for a preferred account with a pile of gems given each month. Content only for the preferred members with events that are non gem based.


Why dont they just give everyone 100k gems and all the epics+ you can hold.

you idiots need to know when to celebrate a victory, how ungrateful.

[Sol Invictus]

thinking they named the armor after you...

The helmet looks like my avatar.
It's called Sol. "Red" is common. "Sol" is uncommon.
"Vanguard" is a comic I read once.
My main element is fire.
I started 11+, and the war Epic for the first war responding to 11+ is Sol's armor.

It's pretty obvious that they're paying tribute to me even if you can't see it.

You're just jealous that they didn't make a special Legendary of a guy covered in bird droppings based on you.
Don't be that guy.

[Dianish]

CK wont spend more because of the new rewards. Others might.

[busteroaf]

The helmet looks like my avatar.
It's called Sol. "Red" is common. "Sol" is uncommon.
"Vanguard" is a comic I read once.
My main element is fire.
I started 11+, and the war Epic for the first war responding to 11+ is Sol's armor.

It's pretty obvious that they're paying tribute to me even if you can't see it.

You're just jealous that they didn't make a special Legendary of a guy covered in bird droppings based on you.
Don't be that guy.

You mean the one that gets banned for his epic photoshop skills? Wow. Thank GOD you used those skills to make all those banners (color swapping, SO hard). You're right. I wouldn't want to be that guy. And again you mention all these failings. Have you ever even been in the top 10? Oh yeah, that's why you're so into the 11+, cause it's the best you'll ever hope to be.

Sol is also sun. You know, a giant ball of fiery gas. Nothing to do with you, except for all the hot air you're full of.

Just stop. You aren't even good at trying to be extra douchey. You just fail all around.

[Sol Invictus]

http://i60.tinypic.com/10xwkt5.jpg

[Dianish]

http://i60.tinypic.com/10xwkt5.jpg



We are at "war" against Gree so to speak - Not each other :P Now stop and behave.

Kiss and make up one might say.

[Skittle Stomper]

So painful to read this thread.

[The Pale Rider]

So painful to read this thread.

Yeah -- I skim and move to the next post. Way off topic. Super pumped for this GW in a way that i haven't been since GWs started. We've been top 25 4 times. We want it this time badly. The whole guild is steppign up. Buying more gems, self policing and actively screening new members. The chat room is twice as active. All signs of excitement for this war.

We even have some former gemmers coming back to rejoin for the war, since the top 10 isn't wowed by a mono fire (and we all know it's a lot more fun to fight for your wins with the result in doubt versus the mostly organizational challenge of amassing sufficient gememrs in the top 10). Basically a perfect storm for a really fun top 25.

Last 3 day war top 25 line was the highest I think ever at around 1.8M (we finished 20the with around 1.9M). This war I'm predicting 2.7M fOOPS 5.4Mor 25th. A 50% increase.

I'm actually excited for a GW -- such a welcome change.

[Reversal]

Enough said:

http://i.imgur.com/qvex5Pn.png

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3935/0n1o.png

[busteroaf]

Ignore List Photoshop Battle: Reversal 1, Sol 0

[Zyntree]

Props 11+. I'd say this guild war makes it something of a success. I'm certainly happy to see epics in the top 25

[Sol Invictus]

Can't tell for sure because I can't find my old screenshots, but I feel like top 10 cutoff was traditionally around 4-5 million.
Now it's gonna be about 9 million and top 25 cutoff is at 4 million.

This war is going to have slightly skewed results, though, with the addition of rank bonuses for defeating HC and above, and because this is the first war of it's kind, people got excited and this stimulated scoring.

I suspect that after the next war or two, top 25 cutoff will correct downward a bit, to 2.5-3.5 million. Perhaps more.

[The Pale Rider]

Can't tell for sure because I can't find my old screenshots, but I feel like top 10 cutoff was traditionally around 4-5 million.
Now it's gonna be about 9 million and top 25 cutoff is at 4 million.

This war is going to have slightly skewed results, though, with the addition of rank bonuses for defeating HC and above, and because this is the first war of it's kind, people got excited and this stimulated scoring.

I suspect that after the next war or two, top 25 cutoff will correct downward a bit, to 2.5-3.5 million. Perhaps more.

The crappy top 10 mono epic didn't help. WAR disbanded for this one and pumped up ranks of various Top 25 guilds.

[Mr Spock]

The crappy top 10 mono epic didn't help. WAR disbanded for this one and pumped up ranks of various Top 25 guilds.

You gave it a good run I was pulling for ya... :)

[Mr Spock]

It appears that those who said that better armors in the top 50 would lead to better profits for Gree were correct... It appears that those that blasted the idea were incorrect by a large margin... LOL..

[Skittle Stomper]

It appears that those who said that better armors in the top 50 would lead to better profits for Gree were correct... It appears that those that blasted the idea were incorrect by a large margin... LOL..

Again, let me know when actual new content is released or stripping is fixed. Until then, anyone playing this game & supporting Gree is a tool.

[PaIadineguru]

Stripping is mostly fixed I think at least I noticed lower scores on less challenging opponents, as well as a rank bonus that appears
Which let some scores hit 600,as well as what appeared to be diminishing returns the.more times I farmed an enemy

[Mr Spock]

Stripping is mostly fixed I think at least I noticed lower scores on less challenging opponents, as well as a rank bonus that appears
Which let some scores hit 600,as well as what appeared to be diminishing returns the.more times I farmed an enemy

This would be interesting... I played BTNO so we would not have really noticed. Does anyone gave data on this...

[Mr Spock]

Again, let me know when actual new content is released or stripping is fixed. Until then, anyone playing this game & supporting Gree is a tool.

Skittle you don't play?

[Zyntree]

Again, let me know when actual new content is released or stripping is fixed. Until then, anyone playing this game & supporting Gree is a tool.

Yay for trolls.

and considering the 'skittle stomper' name shows at least a passing familiarity with the game, indicating a tendency to play KnD, one can only assume skittle stomper just called themselves a tool

[Skittle Stomper]

Stripping is mostly fixed I think at least I noticed lower scores on less challenging opponents, as well as a rank bonus that appears
Which let some scores hit 600,as well as what appeared to be diminishing returns the.more times I farmed an enemy


Um, lol?

Stripping is when a friendly GM wears a basic on one knight so the opposing guild can score huge numbers in as little time as possible. How many of you have been around since cloud war? This is war 10? The game ain't changing.

[Sol Invictus]

Stripping still works good.
Seems to me that you get less points from a GM that wears basic armor and uses one knight than one that uses, say, three level 30 ★★ or ★★★ armors. So all you have to do is semi-strip and it's still a lot better to get a match with an allied guild and get a guaranteed Frenzy and strip, than it is to fight a true adversarial guild.

[Skittle Stomper]

Yay for trolls.

and considering the 'skittle stomper' name shows at least a passing familiarity with the game, indicating a tendency to play KnD, one can only assume skittle stomper just called themselves a tool

Zyn, I'm Eunuchorn, & I quit playing & retired RR just before mono air war, as Gree obviously has no intention of adding any actual improvements to the game.

[Mr Spock]

Zyn, I'm Eunuchorn, & I quit playing & retired RR just before mono air war, as Gree obviously has no intention of adding any actual improvements to the game.

I don't blame you for quitting...the amount of money you dropped into the GW to get plus armors that mean nothing since you all strip anyway... Blew my mind... Quitting was the only way to keep your sanity I would guess..

[sxespanky]

has anyone made an updated list for everything people are wanting? i know they have barely touched the list of to fix. like adding any content for people who has beaten epic level and make ebplus weekly. i just wanna see. im interested in playing around in photoshop and possibly making some custom map, armor or something. for fun and to see how much content i an create before gree does =]

[sxespanky]

http://gree-corp.com/press/view/81/gree%27s-knights-%26-dragons-tops-%245million-in-30-day-revenue

i hope 11+ hasnt died completely? if this one game is making money like this we deserve some type of SERIOUS updates.

[MANG]

Id like if some of this stuff could be done. would really be better for the game overall.

[Sol Invictus]

11+ hasn't died. Our appetite is not completely sated, we're just snacking on revamped rewards...which was the original goal, before the community decided to ask for more.

I would certainly like an update about what else could be done.

Expanding story mode with new zones is probably the most desired update that we'd like to see. There is a lot more that could be done.

[ZerotheHero]

11+ hasn't died. Our appetite is not completely sated, we're just snacking on revamped rewards...which was the original goal, before the community decided to ask for more.

I would certainly like an update about what else could be done.

Expanding story mode with new zones is probably the most desired update that we'd like to see. There is a lot more that could be done.

And how would this generate more revenue for Gree? Just playing Devil's Advocate. I doubt they'd make a change unless they could make some money off of it

[busteroaf]

And how would this generate more revenue for Gree? Just playing Devil's Advocate. I doubt they'd make a change unless they could make some money off of it

Someone else who understands my train of thought...

[PaIadineguru]

Someone else who understands my train of thought...
y
I would have given you more credit buster but since you don't seem to get it let me lay it on you.

Customer retention. It's not free players doing the asking , its not paying players. It's most players.

It makes them money because it would retain spenders due to


1. The obvious, something new, something that maybe is usable only with epics fused or bought and tiered accordingly.

2. It allows a way to bridge 3* with current eb , its barely doable for newbs as is and with the current stat creep will get worse

3. Customer satisfaction, the most successful companies are the ones that satisfy the wants of the customer. Especially
In competitive fields , merely showing that they are listening and attempting to satisfy customer needs encourages spending among those who normally wouldn't.

[busteroaf]

y
I would have given you more credit buster but since you don't seem to get it let me lay it on you.

Customer retention. It's not free players doing the asking , its not paying players. It's most players.

It makes them money because it would retain spenders due to


1. The obvious, something new, something that maybe is usable only with epics fused or bought and tiered accordingly.

2. It allows a way to bridge 3* with current eb , its barely doable for newbs as is and with the current stat creep will get worse

3. Customer satisfaction, the most successful companies are the ones that satisfy the wants of the customer. Especially
In competitive fields , merely showing that they are listening and attempting to satisfy customer needs encourages spending among those who normally wouldn't.

You don't get it. Gree isn't going to do it unless it makes them money. The 11+ promised they'd pay for a better reward. Gree gave it to them, 11+ paid. 11+ wins, and Gree's wallets win. Then Gree gave them a **** reward just because they can... will 11+ continue to pay? Who cares? Gree already got their money right?

Gree won't do anything pro bono. Did I miss something?

Don't act like doing something that benefits all players actually benefits players, unless it is something that the players will pay for. I thought you were smarter than that, Paladippyguru.

Also, what happened to your other account? Banned much?

Am I seriously the longest reigning account on these forums without a ban? Is it because I play devils advocate and prove you wrong, or just because I make more sense than everyone else?

[Sol Invictus]

And how would this generate more revenue for Gree? Just playing Devil's Advocate. I doubt they'd make a change unless they could make some money off of it

There is a thread by Elita, an administrator of this forum and "developer," called
"**OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread!"

In this thread, there is a poll (which predates 11+), asking
"What kind of feature would you most like to see added?"

The clear winner of this poll is "Expansion for those over level 100" with the only real contender being "In game trading," and everyone who did not vote for that knows what a dumb idea it is.

So maybe you can tell me, why would Elita put up this poll and make Expansion an option if there wasn't some willingness to deliver?

[busteroaf]

There is a thread by Elita, an administrator of this forum and "developer," called
"**OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread!"

In this thread, there is a poll (which predates 11+), asking
"What kind of feature would you most like to see added?"

The clear winner of this poll is "Expansion for those over level 100" with the only real contender being "In game trading," and everyone who did not vote for that knows what a dumb idea it is.

So maybe you can tell me, why would Elita put up this poll and make Expansion an option if there wasn't some willingness to deliver?

To get you to feel like they actually cared?

Again, poll =/= set in stone additions. It was a "what would you like to see." If they feel that what you want to see isn't doable, no skin off their d!cks... they don't have to do squat about it.

Again, if "free gems for everyone" had won the poll, would you expect them to give out free gems? Common sense man. It was a feeler. Nothing was ever guaranteed.

Of course, if your prior posts are true, you've blocked me, so you won't see the sensible post that I've posted in response to your idiotic post. That is what you get when you block forum members. You miss out on common sense. Your loss, not mine.

[ZerotheHero]

There is a thread by Elita, an administrator of this forum and "developer," called
"**OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread!"

In this thread, there is a poll (which predates 11+), asking
"What kind of feature would you most like to see added?"

The clear winner of this poll is "Expansion for those over level 100" with the only real contender being "In game trading," and everyone who did not vote for that knows what a dumb idea it is.

So maybe you can tell me, why would Elita put up this poll and make Expansion an option if there wasn't some willingness to deliver?

No need to get snippy, it was an honest question. Paladine's response wasn't satisfactory to me either. I feel as though Gree would only make a change if they saw the cash right in front of them. His reasoning may or may not have been sound, but it's too...round about. At least with better rewards for the top 25, they'd see the cash immediately. Changes like that would be far more appealing to them.

As for the poll, I think either you're missing something or I am. Pretty sure it's you. The poll I'm looking at did indeed have more content for level 100+ players as the most top voted choice, but wasn't my original response concerning the story mode expansion? What are you trying to prove with the "additional content for lvl 100+" option? There was a separate option for story mode expansion. That lost miserably by they way. Anyways, have you seen ANY of those poll options worked on by Gree? Hmm? No? No. Except for ones that don't count (i.e. more epics, possibly fix bugs, although I'd argue against that). And I'll echo Busteroaf on that to finish up my point. There was no guarantee when she started the poll that they would act on any of them. As you quoted, the poll was to see what people most wanted to see. I saw no guarantee that they would act on any of them, regardless of total votes. I still think it was a way to get people to think they were working on something (maybe they are, but it's been awhile, no?) and keep people satisfied that way.

[sxespanky]

Most games of this nature that i play has huge updates often - Brave frontier is one that i play when ive got nothing else to do in KandD and it has new worlds and story rpg like added pretty often - im not sure how much they make - but it cant be that much work to make a few new bosses and have mini updates throughoutt the year like what the walking dead does with talltail games. release a new world every couple weeks or even once a month or so until the full expansions out. its not that much money to make these things happen to keep pleasing fans. unfortunatly there are so many people blindly spending in this game that just dont care - they have the best armor, they rule the area/guildwars, they are the best in there mind and like their end game. sucks for the rest of us who wants more to this game. but we can all see that gree is more focused on making copies of the games they already released to have a heftier cash cow each month. that or the mother company that is in japan wont allow for any expenditures. i wish we just had some one who actively participates in chat with us.

[Dianish]

There is a thread by Elita, an administrator of this forum and "developer," called
"**OFFICIAL** Feedback and Suggestions Thread!"

In this thread, there is a poll (which predates 11+), asking
"What kind of feature would you most like to see added?"

The clear winner of this poll is "Expansion for those over level 100" with the only real contender being "In game trading," and everyone who did not vote for that knows what a dumb idea it is.

So maybe you can tell me, why would Elita put up this poll and make Expansion an option if there wasn't some willingness to deliver?


Its the same as what most companies do...

Its called statistical analysis survey.


They have no real intentions to make what we want. They want to know what we like so they wont make it ingame or know what we want so they can change it into something with a catch. There is always a catch.

[busteroaf]

Its the same as what most companies do...

Its called statistical analysis survey.


They have no real intentions to make what we want. They want to know what we like so they wont make it ingame or know what we want so they can change it into something with a catch. There is always a catch.

This ^

Let me repeat: This ^

Hopefully you guys will start to understand soon.

[Marco_]

y
Customer retention. It's not free players doing the asking , its not paying players. It's most players.

I think with probably more than a billion fish in the Android/iOS pond, companies such as Gree don't care much about customer retention. As long as enough people replace the ones that drop out, there's no problem.
Put the "rate us 5 stars" early enough in the game or make it a "rate us 5 stars and get some free gems" and nobody will notice the grumpy veterans in the google/iTunes stores either...

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[ZyXanthus]

This sounds better in my head, but I think an auction house would be better than trading. Put a minimum time (ex. 1 day) for the item to go up for auction. That way, people can't really give themselves epics from another account....

[El1ta]

10.20.13
I create thread: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71858-Demand-action!-Elita-sticky-an-official-suggestions-thread!-Do-not-kill-k-amp-d!

10.30.13
K&D devs check forum

Hey Everyone!
I am just now seeing this thread. I will make a new thread here later today or tomorrow for your suggestions along with some guidelines.
Happy Halloween!
<3
10.31.13
"Official" Suggestions Thread/Poll is created.
(Page 1 or 2 depending on your Post/Page setting)

I hope something is being done bout all the suggestions/feedbacks. If not it defeat the purpose of having one.

Psychology 101: make people think you've given them exactly what they want

OH, you're such a pessimist!
I'm not sure the thread was ever acknowledged again after ^ that comment by her on page 2 or 3, lol

[IdolElite15th]

Patience is running out for many knd players. Poor communication and lacking effort from GREE has brought together many top players and guilds...

We all love this game and change needs to happen. We need to grab GREE's attention! I'll be acting as a spokesperson for knd players and contacting gree directly on Monday.

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war
* New map levels
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward.
* Additional things to do for level 100+
* HC only to have declare ability.
* Additional LT quests to be added.
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks

We are asking ALL players to...

* Post the list of requirements in a comment on play store, titled. we support the 11+ movemenent
* Add "I support 11+ movement" to forum signatures
* Spread awareness of what we are doing...

**Please refrain from boycotting in the forums as this is against ToS. Thanks!! (Elita)**

Just letting you guys know you have the 15th's support.

[Rookeye]

What's the status of this?

Have the items demanded/requested morphed since the beginning? Where is the O.T. is his efforts to contact GREE and get some kind of movement?

<--- curious

[Sol Invictus]

There was a wave of hacker bans, and then rewards for top 25 were changed to an Epic from a Legendary+.

[Rookeye]

And the whole movement sorta melted away? Interesting...

[busteroaf]

Just poke away at Sol. He'll take credit for all of it and tell you how its not dead.

Then he'll tell you how he single-handedly helped guilds he's not even in crack the top 25 and earn epic armors as well. And they should all thank him because he's the single driving force of the 11+.

[Rookeye]

Strange...He didn't say anything of the kind, and he was just here...

[Sol Invictus]

I don't think it melted away, nor is it alive and kicking.
Everyone that supported it still does.

I started it with the simple idea that rewards for 11+ should be better (hence the name) and since rewards were improved, the movement was a success. So...not much else to do with it.

Even though rewards should still be better from 11-15 or so.

[legalious]

it seems like a regular member hoping to expand the game by discussion. Devs and such would take notice and hopefully make some community generated updates.

[Copious]

It be nice if they would comment on threads like this instead of locking other post like today.

[Rookeye]

Could we take a show of hands and see how many still support the movement? I presume it is still strongly supported? ;)

[Jun-fan]

We support:
* Better rewards for top 50 guilds in war
* New map levels
* GM ability to kick leechers without reward.
* Additional things to do for level 100+
* HC only to have declare ability.
* Additional LT quests to be added.
* Hacking prevention and stricter checks


This was the original list of concerns from the movement. So far, only part of the first bullet has been addressed. As we saw in the last war, the rewards for 11-25 were not really all that desirable, so even now Gree is slipping in their commitment to making things interesting for those outside the top 10.

We've only had 2 LTQ events (I think), and the last one seemed to be a hit with everyone since it gave many non-gemmers a chance at an epic. But we've only had two of those events since the revamped war rewards.

As far as we know, there hasn't been much done about hacking prevention, although Gree may have done something on their end where we don't realize that there have been folks that have been banned. (There was a mass banning a few months ago, but there haven't been reports of that happening since. Also judging by some of the screenshots floating around the Internet, it's a good bet that there are still hackers out there.)

The rest of the items in the list have been talked about in the forums, but not in any kind of concentrated manner. We've been complaining about leeches in multiple posts, about declaring ability in other multiple posts, and about other things to do for level 100+ in yet other multiple posts.

I think the movement somewhat subsided once 11-25 got an epic reward as part of this movement, and although there are still murmurs in the forums about the other concerns, no one has really stepped forward to consolidate the movement and again address them directly with Gree.

Personally, I would like the rewards for 26-50 revisited. I mentioned this in another post during the last war that since Druidic wasn't that desirable for most for many reasons (it's old, already fusable, near obsolescence), perhaps making the plus version the reward for 11-25 and the regular version for 26-50 would generate more interest in the war. (Again, note how the 11+ Movement's ideas have fractured into different mini-discussions instead of being focused in one place.) If Gree insists on using older epics for 11+ rewards, perhaps they should offer plus and normal versions to make things more interesting.

I know there are other great suggestions out there, but again they're so spread out in the forums that it's hard to keep up with who supports what. We need to refocus our efforts if this movement is really going to live again. Otherwise, this will be a footnote in KnD's history with the only memory being that there were people arguing over who started it.

[Sol Invictus]

I don't support 26+ rewards being Epics.
I think I may have at one time, I don't remember.

I think the next step should be 11-15 being better. Whether that means corrupted armors like I've been pushing for, or Epic+, I would be happy with either.

But I don't see the support out there for it.

If the support is out there, then someone is going to have to step up and get a bunch of guilds together just like I did. I'll support that, but I have no desire to do all that by myself again.




How about someone start out by making a new thread for a new movement, and then ask people to submit their LINE IDs so they can be contacted and organized?

[ShadowDash1089]

The 11+ is still very much alive, our main concerns have been addressed.
The glitch that was exploited was fixed, those that exploited were banned during the last mass ban, havent heard of any gem glitch since then so im happy.
The t25 rewards were improved and gave many what to compete for, ofc there are things that take longer or cannot be done.
We're still very much united and keeping an opened eye at how things role.
The line chat room is still there with the supporters in it.
Would be wrong to say it melted away :)

[Dianish]

Ofc 11+ is still alive. We just dont here much about it.

About the rewamped rewards for #11-25 - Gree only changed it since they figured they would make a neet pile of money. That's why they havent made any other changes yet. Do i think they will ever make something thats not in their own favor of revenue and instead favor the player? - Nope, unlikely.

Do i have hope? Ofc that why i still play. I bet there is a lot more players in the same situation. Months has passed.

[legalious]

I know we talk about them not working on it, but they might actually be. They might even be working on some wicked game change that will extend and even add new elements. I'm all for new stuff because I see less and less of my guild mates active.

There are a lot more players than who come on the forums and we need those to post. More support!

http://i.imgur.com/3K6Hn88.jpg

[King Lou]

Instead of allowing gm to kick leechers, why don't they make it so gms have to set a minimum point req before the war, and if you dont meet it then you don't get the rewards.

Only problem with point requirement is what if one of your best guildies has an emergency and doesn't make requirement but had a legitimate excuse. Do you really want to screw someone who would have been there and contributed? Sometimes life is more important then a game. That's why GM privileges to kick a leecher out is great idea.

[Dianish]

We all be like.....

http://www.funnypictures24.com/fp/funny_animals/funny_animals/bear/funny_bear_picture_25.jpg

[BL(ACE)]

Not everyone wants only HCs to declare. Also, kicking people with no reward is already possible.

We can kick people out without them getting the reward??? Really??? Teach me?

[Kangaroeland]

Im all about more armour slots and map/gane expansion. I hardly play anymore just moved to other games who do update and bring new events. And have over 20h game play.

[Bukk7k3]

Not everyone wants only HCs to declare. Also, kicking people with no reward is already possible.

Really?? How do you do this? I really want to know

[Fossil]

By kicking them at wars end B4 they claim?

[DK Zenith]

Also, kicking people with no reward is already possible.

This is incorrect. The only ones who don't get rewards are the ones with 0/0 battle history. Even if you hit for one fight and lose all 4 battles, you will still earn the rewards.

[Rookeye]

I'm kinda meh about the whole kicking thing: "If you fail to perform this war, you won't be with us next war. YOUR loss!" You have to really under-perform to be kicked, because we understand RL happens...but we do kick. I just don't worry about kicking mid-war. Maybe if I was spending $250 a pop I would care more. *shrug*

[Dianish]

This is incorrect. The only ones who don't get rewards are the ones with 0/0 battle history. Even if you hit for one fight and lose all 4 battles, you will still earn the rewards.

That's not entirely true either.

I wasn't participating in the last Blitz we had. I still got my rewards when i woke up and my score still said 0 wins / 0 losses.

I thought one wouldn't get the rewards either if not fighting at all - But i got mine anyway.

[Conquering.Knights]

bumping the post

[Sol Invictus]

Since we started the 11+ movement, guilds and alliances have consolidated. I think someone might have even predicted this was going to happen many months ago, but I digress.

I remember when top 25 was 400 gems and top 10 was 1,200 gems.
Now top 25 is 800 gems and top 10 is 2,000 gems.
(give or take)

I wonder if it's time to revamp rewards once again to reflect the increased score required to reach a certain rank.

I've been calling for Epic+ somewhere in the top 25 for months. I think it's far past time.

11-25 should either be an Epic+, or the "corrupted armor" concept that I've proposed in the past.
26-50 could then be the Epics.

If you disagree, I understand. But you're wrong.
GREE is now giving out previous war rewards for top 25, as opposed to outdated chest Epics. They could go back to giving out those chest Epics to the top 50.

We'd all disagree on what should be the reward for what rank, but whatever it is...rewards could use another revamping.

[Sol Invictus]

And just to revisit the "corrupted armor" idea...this is what I'm talking about, for those unaware.

GREE could very simply introduce an armor set to fill the gap between the old Epics we get as top 25, and the new Epics we get as top 10.




http://i.minus.com/ieFcVyDvvD8l0.png










http://i.minus.com/iwCO8cWzGWfnO.png

[Rhaegal]

I don't know about the "corrupted" epic idea but I definitely think the prizes need to be shifted.

# 1 New Epic +
# 2-10 Old Epic+ or New Epic Reg. whichever has better stats
#11-25 Old Epic+ or New Epic Reg, whichever has worse stats.
#26-50 Old Epic
#51-100 Same as current
#101-250 4*+ armor

Right now the difference between top 500 and top 250 is a DP Key and 3 fusion stones..i.e. not enough to care about.
Same thing with top 100 vs top 50. the difference is so very tiny that it really doesn't matter.

[B Legit]

Right now the difference between top 500 and top 250 is a DP Key and 3 fusion stones..i.e. not enough to care about.
Same thing with top 100 vs top 50. the difference is so very tiny that it really doesn't matter.

I doubt they start giving out old epic +'s since many of the are out there already, but it is possible. I don't think 26-50 should get anything better than a 4*+, that's not a high enough place to earn anything better. Until current EB+'s have passed all first gen epics of the same elements, then there is no way they can give them out for 26-50.

The reason the differences between lower tiers are much smaller than higher tiers is that the higher tiers is where Gree makes their money. If the difference between 25&26 is huge like it is, then it makes people spend far more to get #25. At lower tiers they don't care, those guilds aren't gemming, and they all need rewards improve, so if you tiered those too far apart it would discourage anyone from caring.

[Sol Invictus]

Guilds that go 26-50 definitely are gemming.

It used to be that top 50 could be done with free energy. No more.

And Rhaegal, I did say that we'd all have our own ideas about what the reward structure should be. So the details are irrelevant, because GREE isn't going to follow what you or I specifically want. The main thing is that rewards ought to be revamped again. And that is precisely what we all agreed upon when we started 11+.

B Legit...the whole reason we started 11+ was because it used to be 1-10 was an Epic, and the reward for 11+ was worse than the current EB+ armor. It's getting to be that way again. The last few EB+ armors have been fairly comparable to the top 25 reward...so, following the logic of the 11+ movement when it began...it would make perfect sense to give out an old Epic for 26-50.

For what it costs to go top 25, the Epics we're getting is not worth it.

[Sol Invictus]

And I can say with the authority of my experience...I said back then that revamping top 25 rewards would increase competition and boost gemspending. Time has proven me right. The same is true with what I'm saying now.

It used to be that people would say those who went top 25 didn't deserve an Epic because they didn't gem hard enough. And the people who say that now, about 26-50 or any kind of gap-bridging armor in the top 25, would prove to be just as accurate as those who said it back then.

Making the rewards more desireable would increase gemspending, and it would increase competition.

[tnorman78]

I agree with the 26-50 placement idea..like sol said maybe sky majesty, forgestone, druidic etc.... for top 50.

[Rhaegal]

Sol you're right, gree will put it's own spin on things. Was just throwing my opinion out there.

B legit it does take gems to get top 50. But if the prize for top 50 was an epic, even an old one, I think you'd find more ppl gemming not less. Again... $20 from 2000 ppl beats $50 from 400 ppl all day long.

I'm going to guess at this point most players over level 100 have EB+ or epic armors. What incentive would a player have to spend gems to get voodoo+ when most could get qarin+ for free?

[B Legit]

I can agree with all of you guys that top 50 takes some gemming. When I was referring to lower ranked guild I was referring to the poster above.

As for my personal reasoning on why 26-50 should not be epics yet, it is based purely on stats. Right now, those first gen epics are statistically superior to the current EB's + armor. I don't think the 50th ranked guild should receive a reward better than anything available in game.

As for spending habits, you are probably right, they will increase if the reward for this tier was an epic, but my opinion is not based on spending.

I agree with 11-15 receiving + version of the epic armor, it just makes sense in all aspects

[busteroaf]

Well, with all the extra money that Gree is supposedly getting from all the now-gemming teams competing for epics...

Sure does sound like they haven't invested a dime of it on the game and fixed any glitches or bugs. Maybe the next 25 guilds will be able to fund some improvements.

Wheee!

PS. Someone tell Spanky Sol that I miss him.