New Rivals List - would like a MOD to answer a question please

[daddy99]

Can someone please answer the following question: with the new rivals the list the way it is, what is a player's incentive to increase their stats, other than for during WD events? You have essentially took out the advantage that those of us had with high stats for our level. I feel, and I'm sure so do others, that there is no reason at all to work hard (aka spend gold) to beef up stats.

Before the updated rivals list I got robbed/attacked once every couple weeks. Now I am getting robbed/attacked by people multiple times a day, in some cases, 5-15mil attack higher than my defense. Or, players with similar attack as my defense albeit 5-15 levels higher who were never in my news feed.

Please answer the question as this will allow me to make a decision to continue with my top 10/25 team and use gold or to sit back with a top 150 team and go gold free.

Thank you.

[daddy99]

Figures. They claim they want feedback, we provide that and ask questions and they don't reply. I'm challenging any Gree Mod to come up with an answer to the above question that makes sense to the masses as well as keeps the integrity of the game intact.

Anyone?

[Nighteg]

They've invested time and money into making that ridiculous new rivals list (that 3/4 hate), and now they have to justify the resources spent.
My guess is they'll keep ignoring us to avoid the hard questions, even though both A&F and CJ are reading the forum on a daily basis.

[The Real Bosses]

Dont like this rivals list, like you guys are saying it makes no since to increase stats or to waste 30 min trying to find a target...

[PoopyPants]

I didn't like the new rivals list at first because I had become use to winning 90% of fights and robs at my level. Now I have leveled up 4 times since the updated list. Takes time to find a target to get bricks but at least I can still find bricks and now I can rob back my cash lost. Leveling up doesnt matter now. So....1. Stop complaining 2. If you can't take the time to find a target you don't deserve one handed to you 3. Go rob someone it makes me smile when I leave hoods with $20m and up

[LtotheG]

The new rival list makes it possible for everyone to rob and attack for bricks.
Its takes away the advantage for high stat-low lvl players but mayby that why they updated the rivalslist.

New players are always weaker then the mini's accounts --> no fun for new players.
Robbing the same person over and over again without a change he will do anything back --> that never made sense to me.

The new rival list is more even for everyone, stats are needed for battles.

its makes everyone login more because the chance of getting robbed its bigger..

So i think its a good thing for the total of the game.

[tushy]

The new rival list makes it possible for everyone to rob and attack for bricks.
Its takes away the advantage for high stat-low lvl players but mayby that why they updated the rivalslist.

New players are always weaker then the mini's accounts --> no fun for new players.
Robbing the same person over and over again without a change he will do anything back --> that never made sense to me.

The new rival list is more even for everyone, stats are needed for battles.

its makes everyone login more because the chance of getting robbed its bigger..

So i think its a good thing for the total of the game.


I need aprox. 10min to find a target which I can attack or rob but I dont want to search 10min for a rival.
With the new rival list the levels are useless, the mafia members are useless and getting stronger is even more useless because you always get the same rival list -> rivals with same (+/- 20%) att/def stats. So every time you attack or rob someone he can attack or rob you back and win.

So why should I now play this game? To get stronger? For what? You have no advantage if you get stronger at a certain level.
To play for IPH? But what would you do with all the money?
But if you want to get stronger u cant upgrade the real buildings which bring some money in because the LTB's need your whole time but you get (more or less) good weapons.

But one thing has not changed -> you need GOLD for the good weapons or play long enough to have some modifiers.

I think the new rival list is not fair and make no sense if the game continues in that way.
The next step would be to get rid of the levels because you dont need it anymore.

Let someone build this casino from lvl185 at level 2 -> why not, he has no 60.000.000 on hand at this level.
Why mafia members? Let all weapons be part of the att/def stats -> it makes no difference in the rival list.

At your level (>200) you may have bad stats (I think you are about <8-10mill att/def) and thats the reason why you like the new rival list. You can now beat the minis at level 40 with a big IPH.
And btw. 20mill on robbing is not much and for that guy maybe a third or less of his daily income. For 20mill I would not think about it to rob someone.

[Zyklones]

The new rival list is a reason many (gold buying) players are quitting the game.

[Lars]

If you can't take the time to find a target you don't deserve one handed to you

Well, I think I checked some three-digit number of rivals since the new RL appeared. None was a worthwhile target for me: Except for one, the best ones had about 25% of my iph. All rivals were strong enough to easily rob me back (usually even significantly stronger stats than me). The only richer one wasn't a target either: too strong to be robbed by me and only minor buildings open for robberies (and it's one of the few players I would not like to rob even if I could). So I guess due to my good iph I am not worth to find any target ...

The problem is the new RL effectively eliminates other strategies than robbing. For those that focus on robbing and not caring about defending their iph the change may be fine. However, CC used to be playable with a number of styles. All those who did take other approaches only have the choice between changing to a style that they did not choose in the first place (basically what you told them -- shut up and rob) or to suffer.

Unfortunately, I don't believe this approach to be sustainable. The robbers enjoy big loots from high profile hoods. But the vast majority of these target hoods aren't from those robbers who don't care of defense. I believe the new RL will make most players with good hoods either quit the game or neglect the hoods. In the end there will be not enough worthwhile targets left.

And I didn't even address the bigger problem of making any stat increase useless ...

[minion]

gree implemented the rival list based on stats. then why not include players of all levels having similar stats rather than people +/- 20 levels from you.. with the current system, if you are strong at your level, you have a limited number of people on your rival list n all of them will be mostly robbed..this list is utter nonsense...

[cc thunder]

gree implemented the rival list based on stats. then why not include players of all levels having similar stats rather than people +/- 20 levels from you.. with the current system, if you are strong at your level, you have a limited number of people on your rival list n all of them will be mostly robbed..this list is utter nonsense... the only people who like this list are the people that are not playing the game completely, by that I mean building income per hour. if you are a leech who doesn't give a care about income this is the perfect thing for you, but if you have played all aspects of the game, then this new list sucks.

and if you have very good income for your level formerly, I mean before the list then you hate this list because you have worked hard on the game and the people who are able to attack & Rob you are the people who have not worked hard on the game

[Guisseppe17]

Alright, I waited a week or so to make sure I really did hate this new rivals list before running my mouth off all over the forums about it...and my conclusion is yes, this is rubbish. However, I guess I've been having a better time than all of you...except for that first day, I've been robbed maybe twice, three times since the new list. And I can still hit 9/10 of the RL without checking stats. But when it comes to robbing, I haven't found a single good rob target since this new damn list. Anyone with a decent IPH is always picked clean, and they are few and far between. I've lost 80% of my average daily income since I can't rob anyone anymore.

And before anyone says anything, there's a difference between being a leech and robbing a bit for some extra cash!

[Leezygeezer]

Just to throw in my 2p worth, I haven't bothered robbing for months, I have completed about 400 of all the hitman goals. Once my IPH hit 10mill I am only ever robbed by people with crappy incomes, why bother giving them a link back to my hood?
Checked out the rivals list and after cycling through it for about 30 minutes decided against it, all low IPH, all able to rob hit me back or significantly higher stats than me and I have 20mill attack. So thanks gree you have saved me endless hours of fruitless searching and gold on pvp events as I can't find anyone to hit who is low enough or actually has any health.

I'll be saving my gold for raid boss, epic boss, sltq and ltbs

Kudos on the these 4, my favourites by far!

[cc thunder]

I guess I've been having a better time than all of you...except for that first day, I've been robbed maybe twice, three times since the new list.

I play two accounts, & I do have to say one account has only been robbed maybe once since the new rival list, and the other gets constantly bombarded. it's really odd that one gets picked on constantly and one not at all

[ytt]

if you've worked on your IPH, this new rivals lists is certainly a good reason to quit this out of control game. the only reason to work on your IPH at this point is so you can help the autistic kids rob you all day

[therealbengie]

Please answer the question as this will allow me to make a decision to continue with my top 10/25 team and use gold or to sit back with a top 150 team and go gold free.

Thank you.

you think you can survive in a top150 syn gold free? good luck with that!

[sister morphine]

I play two accounts, & I do have to say one account has only been robbed maybe once since the new rival list, and the other gets constantly bombarded. it's really odd that one gets picked on constantly and one not at all
I've also got two accounts, and it's odd. When one of them is getting robbed and attacked all the time the other has a pretty quiet life of it. Then it switches.

[nazgul]

the only people who like this list are the people that are not playing the game completely, by that I mean building income per hour. if you are a leech who doesn't give a care about income this is the perfect thing for you, but if you have played all aspects of the game, then this new list sucks.
It's quite the opposite for me. I have $10M IpH, which is generally high being in the level 150s. I've always been robbed by people you just described. Now they can't find me.



and if you have very good income for your level formerly, I mean before the list then you hate this list because you have worked hard on the game and the people who are able to attack & Rob you are the people who have not worked hard on the game
Not so, for me. Exactly the opposite, in fact. I'm getting robbed, but by people who I can rob back. I've never had that before. I love it.

Look, they're trying to give us what we want. At first, they had a much higher range of levels available, then restricted it a lot after people complained. That resulted in a much smaller pool of rivals, and people complained. Then the relaxed the stats/iph parameters, and people are complaining again.

If you have an overly high income and stats for your level, what do you want? But at the very least the situation you described should have been lessened by this change, not increased.

Yes, I did hate it at first. But then I realized that while I am in fact going to get robbed more now, at least I can easily more than make up for it with a minimal effort. I love the new RL now.

[daddy99]

There are some good points here both for and against. My initial question is targeted more towards the fact that Gree has changed one of the basic fundamentals of the game. Level no longer means anything and more importantly, having high stats for your level now means absolutely nothing. If you get stronger, then your Rivals List changes to match you accordingly.

Just want a MOD to address the question as to what incentive we have to improve our stats. Not a one-liner saying it will help during battle. A well though out answer addressing the incentive for all aspects of the game.

[sister morphine]

It's quite the opposite for me. I have $10M IpH, which is generally high being in the level 150s. I've always been robbed by people you just described. Now they can't find me.



Not so, for me. Exactly the opposite, in fact. I'm getting robbed, but by people who I can rob back. I've never had that before. I love it.

Look, they're trying to give us what we want. At first, they had a much higher range of levels available, then restricted it a lot after people complained. That resulted in a much smaller pool of rivals, and people complained. Then the relaxed the stats/iph parameters, and people are complaining again.

If you have an overly high income and stats for your level, what do you want? But at the very least the situation you described should have been lessened by this change, not increased.

Yes, I did hate it at first. But then I realized that while I am in fact going to get robbed more now, at least I can easily more than make up for it with a minimal effort. I love the new RL now.
I'd agree with the first part, that many of those who attack me I can now rob back. What hasn't changed is that none of them have an iph worth bothering with.

[cc thunder]

It's quite the opposite for me. I have $10M IpH, which is generally high being in the level 150s. I've always been robbed by people you just described. Now they can't find me.



Not so, for me. Exactly the opposite, in fact. I'm getting robbed, but by people who I can rob back. I've never had that before. I love it.

Look, they're trying to give us what we want. At first, they had a much higher range of levels available, then restricted it a lot after people complained. That resulted in a much smaller pool of rivals, and people complained. Then the relaxed the stats/iph parameters, and people are complaining again.

If you have an overly high income and stats for your level, what do you want? But at the very least the situation you described should have been lessened by this change, not increased.

Yes, I did hate it at first. But then I realized that while I am in fact going to get robbed more now, at least I can easily more than make up for it with a minimal effort. I love the new RL now. okay, so what is the point of gaining stats working on income any of the things in the game anymore? Only Wars? I'm just trying to understand what the point is in a game where your stats are completely irrelevant on all fronts except for one weekend a month. previously if you had a good stats for your level then you wouldn't be attacked much whatsoever, I speak from experience, but now that the levels are all opened up what is the point in getting stronger?

[Guisseppe17]

Has anyone else noticed a change in the lists in the past ten minutes or so? I went from having no problem whatsoever just attacking anyone at random to summon a boss (as it's been the last week or so), to now suddenly every single person on my list has been approximately 2 mil higher than me.

[bull679]

There will be no more gold purchased from me with this rivals list

[sister morphine]

Has anyone else noticed a change in the lists in the past ten minutes or so? I went from having no problem whatsoever just attacking anyone at random to summon a boss (as it's been the last week or so), to now suddenly every single person on my list has been approximately 2 mil higher than me.
Maybe everybody doing the same, so all the weaker rivals are out of the running?

[MaschedUp]

Gree mods are like Bruce Willis in the Sixth Sense. They only see what they want to see. :p

[one man gang]

Has anyone else noticed a change in the lists in the past ten minutes or so? I went from having no problem whatsoever just attacking anyone at random to summon a boss (as it's been the last week or so), to now suddenly every single person on my list has been approximately 2 mil higher than me.

This has def started happening to me since epic boss.

[reticlover]

sense tuesday this has happend to me. i have another thread about it. and yet gree has no response but to incread my defense..

they dont want to do anything to make us happy or help in a situation when its needed

[daddy99]

A&F? CJ? Bueller? Anyone?

You don't want people to think you're avoiding the question do you?

[SOGO]

Has anyone else noticed a change in the lists in the past ten minutes or so? I went from having no problem whatsoever just attacking anyone at random to summon a boss (as it's been the last week or so), to now suddenly every single person on my list has been approximately 2 mil higher than me.
I'm not sure if everyone else is also experiencing this - Every 3 days or so (an estimate, may be shorter), there will be a fixed list of about 40 people in my rivals list that won't change. There is very small handful of randoms if I refresh long enough, but those 40 will always take up the majority of the list with every refresh.

Then after 3 days or so, it's like the system "draws" another fixed set of 40 for the next 3 days (and throwing in the odd random). Some times there will be a couple of names from the previous set appearing in the next list, but those from the previous set that disappear will not show up for at least 3 days no matter how many times I refresh the list.

Try observing the names in your rivals list and see if it's the same for you. The last change was on Saturday, so the next "draw" should be happening soon if it hasn't already.

[reticlover]

I've also got two accounts, and it's odd. When one of them is getting robbed and attacked all the time the other has a pretty quiet life of it. Then it switches.

i have 5 accounts, my main account is getting attacked every 5 sec. i had to bank all my money and loose 130mil at 1 time. but yet my other 4 might get attacked or robbed once every few days. it seems if u are lvl 206+ or lvl 90-120 u get robbed alot more than the other levels

[Zendfrim]

Yet another thread unanswered in a disgusting display by gree. The rivals list clearly must be reverted to the old level based style. Lets never buy gold again.

[daddy99]

Gree Mods - since you choose not to answer the question(s) about the rivals list yet choose to answer ridiculous questions about gold-spouting building payouts I guess we can assume that you:

A) Do not plan on changing the rivals list and therefore do not feel compelled to respond to your customers, or
B) You think the rivals list is bunk as well but making a change is out of your control and therefore do not want to engage in conversation on its potential outcome.

Either way, I think we as your paying customers deserve an answer as it impacts our playing (i.e., spending) habits on the game.

Please answer - you will make a lot of people happy just to know you care.

[Danny Clear]

They did it to bring back pvp n clearly that was a horrible waste of time. I liked the rivals list in the beginning because I was never a big fan of the robbing search but with the same 20 - 40 rivals theres nothing 2 rob anyway. So its basically pointless