Vesture of Frost as a reward is an insult

[Sol Invictus]

It would be fun to fight for a decent armor, and not some piece of junk I fused away a month ago.

Give me a reason to buy gems, you momos.

[jawbreaker1222]

One sick joke after another from GREE. My entire guild is boycotting this war. 37 gem spenders you won't be getting a dime from. 5 people are leaving the game. Good job Gree

[bosskiller]

This is ridiculous gree! I mean come on!!

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Newsflash
The rewards for #2-8000 haven't been worth a single gem since war #1. Keep telling Gree how they're insulting you though, I'm sure they get a big laugh about it around the water cooler

[ZERO_07]

GUYS LOOK SOMEONE HAS THE NEW EPIC

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130824083739/knightsanddragons/images/5/5c/Wing_Max.jpg

Must be the 2nd evolution

[Sol Invictus]

Newsflash
The rewards for #2-8000 haven't been worth a single gem since war #1.

Most players haven't played since war 1.
Most players who are now in top 250 guilds haven't always been in top 250 guilds.
Most of the rest of the game, especially armors, has evolved.

The way things have been heretofore are irrelevant. Players have asked for/suggested/demanded changes and changes have been made. This issue should be no different.

Personally, I'm giving GREE one more shot at making these rewards worth my time or I'm gonna follow c-rule and say "Goodbye."

[ShadowDash1089]

Who cares about the rewards, it was always the same. But wtf enough with war every week! You all did awesome job in feeding gree with your money. Soon we'll have 2 wars a week. They couldnt even wait another week so the war could be placed in weekend rather than the start of a new week..

[bosskiller]

GUYS LOOK SOMEONE HAS THE NEW EPIC

http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130824083739/knightsanddragons/images/5/5c/Wing_Max.jpg

Must be the 2nd evolution

Hahahahahaha

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Players have asked for/suggested/demanded changes and changes have been made.

You know I love you Sol, but I'm pretty sure this has never happened lol

[Sent]

GUYS LOOK SOMEONE HAS THE NEW EPIC

-removed image-

Must be the 2nd evolution
LOLOL


Who cares about the rewards, it was always the same. But wtf enough with war every week! You all did awesome job in feeding gree with your money. Soon we'll have 2 wars a week. They couldnt even wait another week so the war could be placed in weekend rather than the start of a new week..
I agree. Can't they come up with something new or use something from the past that doesn't happen very often...

[mikieblue]

Pathetic.. Again.. Genuinely insulted that you would think this acceptable. And those next 2 eb's are even more pathetic.

[Sent]

Pathetic.. Again.. Genuinely insulted that you would think this acceptable. And those next 2 eb's are even more pathetic.
Yeah, seriously..
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130812234029/knightsanddragons/images/thumb/c/c9/War_of_the_heavens_banner.png/452px-War_of_the_heavens_banner.png
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/giiforums/892f389f-cf32-4735-810d-1184c208fa93_zps39a69c7e.png?t=1391027276%3C/p%3E
http://puu.sh/6CYCd.jpg
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140129195635/knightsanddragons/images/a/a0/Razor.png

New GW Epic + the EB armor next week look really similar. Cloudrange + this week's EB armor look really similar.
GREE pls

[Sol Invictus]

I'm pretty sure this has never happened lol

It has happened at least twice that I can think of since I've been here, one having to do with the way armors are displayed at the Fusion Master (twice) and one having to do with the way friends are displayed when recruiting them for battle.

Also, when I started playing, Epics were not fuseable and now they are. Is it not because players were vocal about bringing them back? I could be mistaken.

Regardless, business must cater to the client base and adapt to changing demand in order to survive. GREE can laugh, but they'll be laughing past the graveyard.

[tnorman78]

Until the top teams quit spending. .which they won't because they like seeing their names at the top. .. NOTHING will happen

[Dark Prince]

Until the top teams quit spending. .which they won't because they like seeing their names at the top. .. NOTHING will happen

If RR didnt gem for a war I think Gree would notice.

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Yeah, seriously..
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130812234029/knightsanddragons/images/thumb/c/c9/War_of_the_heavens_banner.png/452px-War_of_the_heavens_banner.png
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/giiforums/892f389f-cf32-4735-810d-1184c208fa93_zps39a69c7e.png?t=1391027276%3C/p%3E
http://puu.sh/6CYCd.jpg
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140129195635/knightsanddragons/images/a/a0/Razor.png

New GW Epic + the EB armor next week look really similar. Cloudrange + this week's EB armor look really similar.
GREE pls

I don't see it :/

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

If RR didnt gem for a war I think Gree would notice.

Notice?
Maybe.

Change?
Doubtful.

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Until the top teams quit spending. .which they won't because they like seeing their names at the top. .. NOTHING will happen

Rainbow Coalition was implemented so that we could filter through RR & 2-10 could be maintained cheap. It's non Rco guilds making it expensive for themselves.

[ZERO_07]

Razorwind Elemental's armor looks SOOOOO much better than Cyclone Chainmail

[soukies]

Going to take more than RR doing something to get better rewards and things changed. Even the top rewards wouldn't be worth it to me for what it will take to get it.

Going to take a coalition of a different kind to make Gree notice us and do something.

[Bshappell]

You idiots it's the only combination that hasn't been done yet.... Cry babies dam...

[Reversal]

Yeah, seriously..
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130812234029/knightsanddragons/images/thumb/c/c9/War_of_the_heavens_banner.png/452px-War_of_the_heavens_banner.png
http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a538/giiforums/892f389f-cf32-4735-810d-1184c208fa93_zps39a69c7e.png?t=1391027276%3C/p%3E
http://puu.sh/6CYCd.jpg
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140129195635/knightsanddragons/images/a/a0/Razor.png

New GW Epic + the EB armor next week look really similar. Cloudrange + this week's EB armor look really similar.
GREE pls

Where did you find next week's epic boss information picture?

[Bluntman]

Where did you find next week's epic boss information picture?
They accidentally posted it on Facebook today.

[Dianish]

Just stop crying. Relax and be polite. You act like its not their right to do what ever they want to with the game.

Besides, the more people cry the bigger the laugh Gree gets. Im tired of popcorn already.

[The Swede]

I like the guild-wars for the team-feeling and having fun in close battles where I and my fellow guild-mates sometimes use gems to win the battle. But more and more the feeling of meaninglessness is taking over. We are not strong enough to be able to get top 10 and for 90 % of us the reward is therefore nothing more than fusion material.
What i don't get is why Gree is being so extremely avid when it comes to rewards below top 10. Do they really loose on having decent rewards such as a legendary only obtainable through the war or some of the old epics (moontide, cloudrange etc) that is slowly being superseded by the epic boss legendaries and thus not so desired any more. IIf Gree just counting on us spending gems for the honour, imagine what they could earn on having better rewards for say top 100!! There would be a doubling in gem-spending, I assure you

[LittleViking]

You guys are so funny, you were all out at the poor guy who was just mesmerize by the fact that people can pour thousands of dollars in a game like K&D by saying it's their money they can do whatever they want.

But on the other hand, you just keep complaining that Gree doesn' deliver what you are expecting...

Well flash news, hey don't owe you ****. If you were more then happy to spend thousands on the game at the time, good for you. But if you are regretting those thousands now that the game is not going the way you want, well good riddance!

[Sarah 101]

I have no idea why you guys always fighting !!!
if you don't like the top 25+ reward , then try to be on top 10 , easy just have good team ,Or join the top 10 "only" in wars .. No drama no "crybabies" p:

[Necromancers]

I have no idea why you guys always fighting !!!
if you don't like the top 25+ reward , then try to be on top 10 , easy just have good team ,Or join the top 10 "only" in wars .. No drama no "crybabies" p:

There's only 10 top 10 guilds each war. 400 people at most. Besides, you have to spend a crazy amount to get in any of them, not everyone has that kind of money to spend. So they're disappointed because the rewards are really bad despite being a relatively high rank (top 100/50/25).

[Sarah 101]

Ummm, hope Gree change the rewards to "rare uncrafted legendary plus "
And Not all the top 10 can stay on top 10 ,there is always people's don't want to play anymore or they don't want to buy anymore ;)

[The Pale Rider]

Why are so many people taking issue with players who want better rewards for guilds finishing 11-200? Dozens of people jumping in on multiple threads to call them whiners or crybabies (or jealous or stupid or cheap). Declaring that GREE doesn't care so they're idiots for raising the issue. Or declaring the problem is somehow not real because they can spend more or less and avoid finishing 11-200. Seriously - how is any of that at all helpful. If you're not affected by the poor rewards you don't have an interest, so you're attacking people for no reason other than whatever enjoyment you get out of name calling.

You aren't offering an interesting or novel insight either. You're just regurgitating the same comments that are made whenever anyone makes a suggestion to improve the game. How many times do we all have to read about how piss poor GREE's track record is for addressing player complaints? You are not interesting or somehow smarter for pointing it out. Let people who want to propose changes propose them without the usual barrage of attacks.

[The Swede]

Why are so many people taking issue with players who want better rewards for guilds finishing 11-200? Dozens of people jumping in on multiple threads to call them whiners or crybabies (or jealous or stupid or cheap). Declaring that GREE doesn't care so they're idiots for raising the issue. Or declaring the problem is somehow not real because they can spend more or less and avoid finishing 11-200. Seriously - how is any of that at all helpful. If you're not affected by the poor rewards you don't have an interest, so you're attacking people for no reason other than whatever enjoyment you get out of name calling.

You aren't offering an interesting or novel insight either. You're just regurgitating the same comments that are made whenever anyone makes a suggestion to improve the game. How many times do we all have to read about how piss poor GREE's track record is for addressing player complaints? You are not interesting or somehow smarter for pointing it out. Let people who want to propose changes propose them without the usual barrage of attacks.

Well spoken!

[LittleViking]

I get suggestions, nothing against that, even tough not sure about the usefullness with that kind of game and the life expectancy of mobile games. Pretty sure GREE is already working on their next game that will be their milking cow for the next year.

But i don't see any suggestion in a lot of post in the current thread, I see demands.

So about interesting insight... not so sure about that.

[The Pale Rider]

I get suggestions, nothing against that, even tough not sure about the usefullness with that kind of game and the life expectancy of mobile games. Pretty sure GREE is already working on their next game that will be their milking cow for the next year.

But i don't see any suggestion in a lot of post in the current thread, I see demands.

So about interesting insight... not so sure about that.

You appear to be somewhat new to this forum. Trust me. The same responses to change suggestions appear ad nauseum. I didn't quote anyone because I was intentionally not singling anyone out. Lot's of people do it (heck, I've probably done it at one time or another), it just seems like it's been getting out of hand lately.

[White Avenger]

If all the top 10 guilds got together told thier member base not to buy gems this week then didn't spend one gem in the war. They would notice they made 80- 100k less that week it would certainly catch thier eye. But you can't made a big deal of the decision not to spend until after the war. Of course the entire player base would figure out really quick that the wrong people were pissed in the top guilds.

3 things could happen.

1. They could put a big gem sale on - to make up for the slow sale the previous week. (A partial win. They had to react to your tactic.)
2. They would up the next war with better rewards. (A win - stroke your egos because you made the corporation take notice).
3. They would continue as is and play chicken and see who blinks first. Thinking your addicted and the collation will break.

Money talks you need to speak thier language.

I haven't spent money on this game since last November. I got tired of opening 40 to 50 chests with crap rewards.

[White Avenger]

Why are so many people taking issue with players who want better rewards for guilds finishing 11-200? Dozens of people jumping in on multiple threads to call them whiners or crybabies (or jealous or stupid or cheap). Declaring that GREE doesn't care so they're idiots for raising the issue. Or declaring the problem is somehow not real because they can spend more or less and avoid finishing 11-200. Seriously - how is any of that at all helpful. If you're not affected by the poor rewards you don't have an interest, so you're attacking people for no reason other than whatever enjoyment you get out of name calling.

You aren't offering an interesting or novel insight either. You're just regurgitating the same comments that are made whenever anyone makes a suggestion to improve the game. How many times do we all have to read about how piss poor GREE's track record is for addressing player complaints? You are not interesting or somehow smarter for pointing it out. Let people who want to propose changes propose them without the usual barrage of attacks.

Nicely put. I agree well spoken.

[LittleViking]

You appear to be somewhat new to this forum. Trust me. The same responses to change suggestions appear ad nauseum. I didn't quote anyone because I was intentionally not singling anyone out. Lot's of people do it (heck, I've probably done it at one time or another), it just seems like it's been getting out of hand lately.

Yep new and of the little I've red so far on this forum, the same "suggestions" kept popping pretty much everywhere.

It's just that I fing the situation pretty ironic, when you take into account that some of the guys making "suggestions" were the same that went down real hard on the poor guy who, very awkwardly for sure, just stated that he couldn't understand people putting thousands of dollars un a game like K&D.

Their main line was, they can do whatever they want, it's not your place to criticize stop whining!

I can udnerstand that, even tough I really don't share this kind of view, there so much thing you can do then just putting thousands of dollars in a game!

But then, those same persons go and make some "suggestions" that pretty much hit the same core subject, MONEY. Well, the answer is pretty much the same in that case, the developpers can pretty much do whatever they want and they don't owe anything to anyone.

I just find it pretty funny, that's all.

I don't think I offended anybody, if it's the case, I'm sorry that was not the purpose of my post.

[Xtrips]

If all the top 10 guilds got together told thier member base not to buy gems this week then didn't spend one gem in the war. They would notice they made 80- 100k less that week it would certainly catch thier eye. But you can't made a big deal of the decision not to spend until after the war. Of course the entire player base would figure out really quick that the wrong people were pissed in the top guilds.

3 things could happen.

1. They could put a big gem sale on - to make up for the slow sale the previous week. (A partial win. They had to react to your tactic.)
2. They would up the next war with better rewards. (A win - stroke your egos because you made the corporation take notice).
3. They would continue as is and play chicken and see who blinks first. Thinking your addicted and the collation will break.

Money talks you need to speak thier language.

I haven't spent money on this game since last November. I got tired of opening 40 to 50 chests with crap rewards.

Why would the top10 guilds stop gemming? They are obviously fairly satisfied by the rewards offered. The players unhappy are the rest basically.

What a normal company would do is look at this way: Ok we make x amount of dollars each month. How can we make more money and at the same time make our player base happy?
Answer: Top10.hardly cares, they keep gemming. If 11-100 rewards were more appealing people in those guilds would gem more. Maybe not a bunch but still more then now when we get an old eb armor...
It could be a completely new legendary with maybe 200-300 better stats then eb or old epics as people suggested. Some say epics for gw rewards at 11-100 will mean too many epics out. Too late on that part

[The Pale Rider]

Why would the top10 guilds stop gemming? They are obviously fairly satisfied by the rewards offered. The players unhappy are the rest basically.

What a normal company would do is look at this way: Ok we make x amount of dollars each month. How can we make more money and at the same time make our player base happy?
Answer: Top10.hardly cares, they keep gemming. If 11-100 rewards were more appealing people in those guilds would gem more. Maybe not a bunch but still more then now when we get an old eb armor...
It could be a completely new legendary with maybe 200-300 better stats then eb or old epics as people suggested. Some say epics for gw rewards at 11-100 will mean too many epics out. Too late on that part

Yep -- that's the basic argument. Top 100 guilds gem (albeit far less individually than top 11), but they would gem a lot more if the rewards were slightly better than last month's EB+. Particularly the top 25, every one of which buys gems to one degree or another.

[White Avenger]

Why would the top10 guilds stop gemming? They are obviously fairly satisfied by the rewards offered. The players unhappy are the rest basically.

What a normal company would do is look at this way: Ok we make x amount of dollars each month. How can we make more money and at the same time make our player base happy?
Answer: Top10.hardly cares, they keep gemming. If 11-100 rewards were more appealing people in those guilds would gem more. Maybe not a bunch but still more then now when we get an old eb armor...
It could be a completely new legendary with maybe 200-300 better stats then eb or old epics as people suggested. Some say epics for gw rewards at 11-100 will mean too many epics out. Too late on that part

They would only stop gemming for this horrible epic. Other than that your right. But I don't think they would ever band together.

I suggested to increase the rewards from 25 to 100 so many times - I got tired of saying it.

[X_Swarpz_X]

Even though I agree that vesture is a crappy reward for non top 10 guilds, but they could have been real a-holes about it and made it Corvus as the reward...

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Anyone else still waiting on reply for tickets 11 months ago about removing hold to speed up arrow?

400(Top 10) is what % of 175,000(~TotalPlayers)?

Gree is scrambling to get as many games on marketplace as possible. If we don't get new content soon after this war it's probably not coming.

This is the final epic element, & I don't consider 6* new content.

[Raichu]

Why is everyone forgetting air/spirit is still left????? Good lord

[Sol Invictus]

My guess would be that it's because Beastmaster has been out for a little while now...

[bosskiller]

Why is everyone forgetting air/spirit is still left????? Good lord

ever heard of beastmasters...?

[Alan the Grey]

ever heard of beastmasters...?

^^
Was just about to say the same. Hopefully we have a dual element war epic next.

[Xtrips]

Even though I agree that vesture is a crappy reward for non top 10 guilds, but they could have been real a-holes about it and made it Corvus as the reward...

They show that they dont really care about the player base when this gw reward for places 11-50 i worse then the coming weeks mono air eb+ that they leaked. When its also an old WEAK eb armor its like pissing us in the face. I believe alot of the player base would like an official statement on where they are going with the game and more info.on the games future.

[furyp]

You guys are all bunch of hypocrites. You say whatever you want on forum but in game you still gonna buy those gems.

Look at how Eunuchorn complains, watch RR still gonna get #1. watch top 10 cutoff increase to 20m in the future. If I were to work for GREE, i would not have change anything either. Why should I risk changing anything if I'm seeing a steady increase in gem spending?

[Xtrips]

You guys are all bunch of hypocrites. You say whatever you want on forum but in game you still gonna buy those gems.

Look at how Eunuchorn complains, watch RR still gonna get #1. watch top 10 cutoff increase to 20m in the future. If I were to work for GREE, i would not have change anything either. Why should I risk changing anything if I'm seeing a steady increase in gem spending?

Because the changes most of us are talking about are about rewards for top11-100. Top10 will not gem less juat because top11-100 gets better rewards then thy get now. I guess gree reads our posts as well as you do.

[Xtrips]

Because the changes most of us are talking about are about rewards for top11-100. Top10 will not gem less juat because top11-100 gets better rewards then thy get now. I guess gree reads our posts as well as you do.

This would mean that more players in general would gem more because its more appealing. Im not even going to waste free gems this war.

[Sarah 101]

@-The Pale Rider.
"If talk about me "then listen well !!!
I would never judge anyone or interfere with anyone , I just try to give easy solutions ..
And I don't care what ppl think about me (like me or hate me it's the same to me )
Have nice day/night ^^

[The Pale Rider]

Hi Sarah. I'm not judging you and I'm so glad you're not judging or interfering with anyone. I think you're a wonderful person (honestly). Have a nice day/night.

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

You guys are all bunch of hypocrites. You say whatever you want on forum but in game you still gonna buy those gems.

Look at how Eunuchorn complains, watch RR still gonna get #1. watch top 10 cutoff increase to 20m in the future. If I were to work for GREE, i would not have change anything either. Why should I risk changing anything if I'm seeing a steady increase in gem spending?

What may seem like complaining is just facts about how this company is run. It's called acceptance. When have I ever said anything about not spending?

[The Pale Rider]

When have I ever said anything about not spending?

True dat!!!

[Sarah 101]

Hi Sarah. I'm not judging you and I'm so glad you're not judging or interfering with anyone. I think you're a wonderful person (honestly). Have a nice day/night.
Thank you very much

[furyp]

Thanks. Your attitude is exactly why Knights and Dragons should not change or does not need new contents. Why should they do anything other than cookiecutters if people were to keep spending regardless?


What may seem like complaining is just facts about how this company is run. It's called acceptance. When have I ever said anything about not spending?

[jawbreaker1222]

I'd like to thank you for saving me $200 a month. No point in waisting it on the crap your giving out. And also like to send thanks from the rest of my guild for saving them money also. We are normally top 150. This war were somewhere around 1000. No one cares anymore. Everyone is heading for the exit. Not 1 gem spent. Not even free gems. Were also boycotting videos.

[Dianish]

Yep. Its without sense to spend even 50$ on an armor you just got for free a couple of weeks back. If not worth 50$ then its for sure not worth spending more. There is no logic in spending for this.

[Danny Clear]

Problem is as long as u still have the top 10 teams putting up 10 mill points n dk going ape s hit like usual gree couldnt care less about 11-1000+ as long as they get that top 10 money

[Dianish]

I still dont believe there are so many players putting THAT much money into the game. So many gems to get so many points EVERY war is not something i can believe. Sure there are some who can afford it, but what are the odds that they are all in the same guilds at the same time. Also, its odd that we never hear from any of them. They never write in the forums. I might have missed it though, i just havent seen them. Would be great to figure out who's legit.

If only Gree made the rewards worth spending for. They could earn alot more and actually make people compeet more. A hell of a lot i'd say. Gree is the most blindsided company i've heard of.

[Kangaroeland]

If the rewards are so bad just don't spend... Top10 rewards are great so I get that eunu is still spending, its his money and he can do what he wants right? I like how many guild wars there are now ive stopped gemming for useless top 11-25 spots and just taking the free rewards. I don't see how the top10 going ape**** (idk if all are legit, probably not) is bad for us other players. If anything they are paying for your rewards and content.

[Konny]

To me this game looks like either play for free and accept that I can't have the super shiny stuff or go all out spending hard cash. There seems to be no middle ground. I mean the Vault of Gold is 550k Gold which could be contributed to the guild for 2 or 3 fusion boost armors would be something I spend a buck or two on. But it actually costs $US 50. Pretty ridiculous in my eyes.

Same goes for gems to spend in wars, if I wanted to buy any meaningful amount it would be too expensive for me. I can live with that, I can accept that that's exactly what GREE programmed and well too bad if this "all or nothing" doesn't fit my playing/spending style.

[Danny Clear]

Been on unicorn stampede since war 1 so ive been part of that top 10, this is the first war we wont be top 10. And to clarify there is no "cheating" in the top guilds all those points put up come from real money, dk scoring upwards of 20 mill pts when the next team only has 10 is all real money. If you have ever played crime city or modern war u would see people spend 10x as much as people do here. Dk would b considered "moderate" spenders.

[Mr Spock]

To me this game looks like either play for free and accept that I can't have the super shiny stuff or go all out spending hard cash. There seems to be no middle ground. I mean the Vault of Gold is 550k Gold which could be contributed to the guild for 2 or 3 fusion boost armors would be something I spend a buck or two on. But it actually costs $US 50. Pretty ridiculous in my eyes.

Same goes for gems to spend in wars, if I wanted to buy any meaningful amount it would be too expensive for me. I can live with that, I can accept that that's exactly what GREE programmed and well too bad if this "all or nothing" doesn't fit my playing/spending style.

I personally don't care for the Guild war model either... But it is relatively cheap to get an epic in the GW... In iOS there will be a number of players that will have spent 100 bucks or so.. That is not too bad for the sparkly armor... If that is too pricey.. Just fuse you will hit an epic eventually... :)

[Ghost of the Eunuchorn]

Been on unicorn stampede since war 1 so ive been part of that top 10, this is the first war we wont be top 10. And to clarify there is no "cheating" in the top guilds all those points put up come from real money, dk scoring upwards of 20 mill pts when the next team only has 10 is all real money. If you have ever played crime city or modern war u would see people spend 10x as much as people do here. Dk would b considered "moderate" spenders.

You should post more, it's so rare for someone who isn't an idiot to comment on this forum. Be careful about discussing reality, though, the noobs here will hunt you down for it.