Most points per minute possible in arena... without gemming.

[Derp]

10 wins is not the fastest. It has too much downtime. It takes far too long to reset.

5 attacks and out is just lazy but not bad.

Most people don't understand the principal of compounding Interest so I am not sure how well I can explain this...
.
The fastest points per minute is to do 6 attacks to gain the 2 free energy and then stopping.
Using the 2 free energy at this point is not efficient at all.
The smart play is to hold the 2 energy and let it help you get back to full energy to do another run to 6 again.

You use the free energy to earn free energy to earn free energy to earn more free energy.
If you reach a milestone that gives free energy... fight to 6 and let the timer run out and fight to 6 again.

Numbers
Assuming 100 points per battle, including all percentage bonuses for streaks...
10 and reset gets you 5.33 points per minute over the entire arena.
6 and reset gets you 8.97.

If you don't get it don't flame it... ask someone and maybe open excel and try running the numbers.
Been top 500 last two arenas without gemming.

No reason to even farm gear anymore.

Oh.... and hit your friends list too.

Enjoy!

[gqhong]

Interesting, I always thought doing 10 was better because I get a 1* to do enhancements.

Just a question, what happens when you get the 5 energy rewards?

I have been trying to time my 10th battle so I get the 5 energy and continue from there.
I got to about 17th or 18th streak from there on and then spend the lowest gem package to complete the final 20th.

Thanks for the tip :)

[Sarah 101]

Some people's are really lazy "me" but thanks

[sxespanky]

you cant hit 6 unless you buy that extra energy, the best way is to burn all 5.

[Derp]

you cant hit 6 unless you buy that extra energy, the best way is to burn all 5.

Refer to the note about if you don't understand what you should do.

Think about it for a minute.

25 minutes to refresh 1 energy.
10 minute win streak cooldown.
Hmm...

If you have 5 energy and attack 1 time now you have
4 energy.
If you wait for 8 minutes and attack again now you have
3 energy
Wait another 8 minutes and attack again now you have
2 energy and look ie lookie... 17 minutes went by. 16 from waiting and 1 for fighting
Wait 8 more minutes and Attack again and
1 energy plus the 1 you just refreshed...

[sxespanky]

who maxes at 6 energy then? unless you gem, or get a chest with energy, you have 5.
SAY u get your 5 energy, and get the plus 2 bonus for tier 6, or the 5 bonus for getting so many victory points, if you save just a few points, you still max at 5. i dont understand your logic, in anyway.

[gqhong]

who maxes at 6 energy then? unless you gem, or get a chest with energy, you have 5.
SAY u get your 5 energy, and get the plus 2 bonus for tier 6, or the 5 bonus for getting so many victory points, if you save just a few points, you still max at 5. i dont understand your logic, in anyway.

I think everyone understands that the MAX is 5 energies...

But if you wait 9 minutes before doing the next battle u will reach the 6th Streak and collect the 2 bonus Energies. Following which, applying the same tactic you can reach the 10 Streak without spending gems

The original poster is calculating the return rate for doing 6 streaks and waiting VS doing 10 streaks

[toogoodformyowngood]

lol getting top 500 dont matter? idk :P

[sxespanky]

that's way to much work, especially worrying about your timer for 50 minutes. i have other stuff to do. i guess those extra 2 energy could add up tho over the week.

[Derp]

25 minutes
You only need 1 energy to make 6.

[Dave3d]

Yep, I told my wife to do this a couple days ago, and she ran to 17 wins this way.
The 6 streak is interesting though.
Will have to check this out.
Thanks for posting.

[bosskiller]

Thanks for the info!

[Reversal]

Hey OP,
I most definitely understand the facts of Compounding Interest, but I also understand that that splendid idea of yours could screw people over.


So let's make a calculation taking 100 Points per battle as the base:

25 Minutes = 1 Energy

8 Win Streak Method (6 + 2):
Total spend time: 150 Minutes (2.5 Hours)
2 Wins: 200 Points
5 Wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 Points
8 Wins: 300 + 60 = 360 + 530 = 890 Points

890 x 4 (10 Hours) = 3.560 Points

10 Win Streak Method:
Total spend time: 200 Minutes (3 Hours, 20 Minutes)
2 Wins: 200 Points
5 Wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 Points
8 Wins: 300 + 60 = 360 + 530 = 890 Points
10 Wins: 200 + 60 = 260 + 890 = 1.150 Points

1.150 x 3 (10 Hours) = 3.450 Points

8 Win Streak DOES give more points, but we're not done.
I'll explain now why OP is an idiot.

Conclusion:
I checked this and I talked about this in my one of my video's about this before.

Before we go further into to my conclusion I need you to understand a few things:
In order to get to Ribbon E (#501-#1000), one must obtain around 55-60K Points.
In order to get to Ribbon D (#201-#500), one must obtain around 80-85K Points.
Spend a good week (6 times) killing friends, could get up around 10-12K Points.
A week has 168 Hours.

We took 10 Hours in our examples, so this means you'll have to do this NON-STOP.
This means: 3.560 x 16,8 = 59.808 + 12.000 = 71.808, let's round it up to 75-80K because battles give a bit more then just a 100 points.

Oh yeah, let's not forget the 30% Win Streak reward, 1 Star armor (3x per 10 hours) x 16 = 48 x 1 Hour and 54 Minutes = 91 Hours (NOTE: This is more than half a week!!!)

So the conclusion to this really is:
1. OP is a liar and he talks BS.
2. You need to consider if you want 48 Free 1 Star armors. Oh yeah to make it even better, one last calculation:
48 x 8 Materials = 384 Materials x 1 Minute at Skeletons Tomb = Almost 6.5 Hours of Farming Snakeskin Armors, Oh yeah did I mention you lose 3K x 48 = 144K For crafting those as well?
3. Stop being so damn stupid and take stuff for granted when people talk and check your sources before you actually stop doing your old ways.
4. OP is actually right about his way being faster, but LOL. 91 Hours ^_^

Reversal has spoken, Now subscribe to my YouTube channel please (http://www.youtube.com/user/ReversalKnD) <3

[Sarvice]

Hey OP,
I most definitely understand the facts of Compounding Interest, but I also understand that that splendid idea of yours could screw people over.


So let's make a calculation taking 100 Points per battle as the base:

25 Minutes = 1 Energy

8 Win Streak Method (6 + 2):
Total spend time: 150 Minutes (2.5 Hours)
2 Wins: 200 Points
5 Wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 Points
8 Wins: 300 + 60 = 360 + 530 = 890 Points

890 x 4 (10 Hours) = 3.560 Points

10 Win Streak Method:
Total spend time: 200 Minutes (3 Hours, 20 Minutes)
2 Wins: 200 Points
5 Wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 Points
8 Wins: 300 + 60 = 360 + 530 = 890 Points
10 Wins: 200 + 60 = 260 + 890 = 1.150 Points

1.150 x 3 (10 Hours) = 3.450 Points

8 Win Streak DOES give more points, but we're not done.


I quess u are the idiot here..

6 Streak win method.
2 wins: 200 points
5 wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 points
6 wins: 100 + 20 = 120 + 530 = 650 points

Only need to wait 1 energy, makes it 25 min. With fighting lets say 30min.
You already have 2 energy so only have to wait 75min.
makes 105 min = 1.75h

650 x 5,7 (10h) = 3705

Is what ts means.

[Reversal]

I quess u are the idiot here..

6 Streak win method.
2 wins: 200 points
5 wins: 300 + 30 = 330 + 200 = 530 points
6 wins: 100 + 20 = 120 + 530 = 650 points

Only need to wait 1 energy, makes it 25 min. With fighting lets say 30min.
You already have 2 energy so only have to wait 75min.
makes 105 min = 1.75h

650 x 5,7 (10h) = 3705

Is what ts means.

Sigh... you totally misunderstood my point.
But since you insist:

3.705 x 16,8 = 62.244 + 12K = 74.244
Is this anywhere near 80k? No.

I hope you're happy now here grab a cookie:

5389

[Reversal]

Instead of calling him an idiot and shoot down hi's research why dont you just be polite and correct it for him or hint that there is something wrong ? Are you as polite irl? If he did make a mistake in hi's calculations - You should still be kind enough NOT to make a such post. All i read was "Im better than you" - And yet you are wrong your self. Classic online behavior.

Have a nice day and be cool, mate.

That actually has everything to do with the fact how OP started bragging stats.
Whenever someone throws a theory at me IRL I always think whether or not it's correct, it really depends how people bring it really.
But hey, we all have different approaches to how we interprent things, this is just how I respond to it.
My apologies if it may come out a little bit harsh but that's just how I can be from time to time.

[Sarvice]

Sigh... you totally misunderstood my point.
But since you insist:

3.705 x 16,8 = 62.244 + 12K = 74.244
Is this anywhere near 80k? No.

I hope you're happy now here grab a cookie:

5389
Who said it would be 80k?

Btw that cookie looks delicious

[Derp]

Reversal


So you admit that my 6 attacks is more points per minute.

So I am right?

You were worried about reward armors? OK then... I don't need them. I am serious.

Oh and 80k isn't needed for top 500. At least not the last 2.

Good luck leveling to 100 bro. Game is completely different then. You don't really need to farm once you get epics upped. Wish I could sell off armor for gold. I just fight the epic boss to get armors to fuse for more epics.

Good luck with your vlog... take it Easy flaming people... you and I were talking about 2 different things.

[Derp]

The turnaround is 1 hour 40 minutes.

[Sarvice]

The turnaround is 1 hour 40 minutes. I added 5 min just so you have some time to breath hehe :)

[Derp]

Understood but as long as the timer is running it doesn't matter.
I attack with 4 energy and 5 min to 5 energy so I never cap out energy then I space attacks 6 min apart because I don't need to go 9.
I set a ti.er in my phone and when it dings I hit.
Once I get the 2 free ae I set a 70 min timer.
Just toss it on the desk at work and it is easy to keep up on.

Edit.
The only reason I posted this is because I'm completely burned out on chasing the timer and most of my guild who I originally told about this is too... it wears ya out chasing an alarm but it is very efficient.

[Eunuchorn]

There is way too much math in this thread.

20 streak > all. Buy 1000 AE during next sale imo.

[Derp]

Lol! Go brother...

[Erfel OP]

Very nice thread!
I never really thought about it... i've always gone for 9 to get the armor, but this could be better.

Of course you need to be able to log again after 70 minutes when you're full again... else these are energies wasted... i'll give it a try, and i will see if it works for me, thank you :)

[Derp]

Very welcome. On new arena start have friends list ready and do this right off... you will fall behind but if you do it for 5 to 8 hours and watch your friends list fall behind you.

[gqhong]

There is way too much math in this thread.

20 streak > all. Buy 1000 AE during next sale imo.

I guess Mastercard beats Maths hands down :p

[sxespanky]

when im at work, with not much else to do, i will use the 5 energy over the course of 25 mins to get the extra 1, for 2 freebies, thanks for the tip!

[Tomidius]

I am level 350, I consistantly fight against 3 epic + people.. no matter my rank in Arena. I have good armor, maxed epics... and will run into someone set up opposite me or I miss.. and they win. I cannot achieve a high streak.. so I barely bother with arena.

[Eridian]

Nice math OP, well done!

Funny to see how Reversal got burned and left :p
I just don't understand why idiots like him got a youtube channel. At least I would try to understand the game before making one...

[Xtrips]

Nice math OP, well done!

Funny to see how Reversal got burned and left :p
I just don't understand why idiots like him got a youtube channel. At least I would try to understand the game before making one...

Reversal seems to place many not so thought out comments in many threads, mostly trying to prove OP wrong, no matter what

[Derp]

Reversal seems like a nice guy deep down. His channel will be helpful to anyone under level 50 who doesn't read the forums.
I watched 1 of his videos... nothing there for me but oh well.

I'm glad the tip works for the rest of you. Going to push for 70 k tier this time. Friend requests welcome as I will need to cycle through them to make it.

Another thing reversal missed is you can fight your whole friends list 8 times not 6.

The reset is 23 hours not 24.

Happy hunting all!

[cafedecoy]

Interesting...

so there are 10080 minutes in a week. Let's say that you are on a perfect streak, and you are able to do 6 streaks continuously, with each subsequent streaks containing 2 free earned energies...

10080 minutes in a week
403 maximum replenish-able fight energies (25 minutes a pop)
You have to regenerate the first 6, but after that you only need to regenerate 4 (as 2 are earned after each 6th streak)
ignoring the few free energies you get here and there (milestone rewards, daily awards) just to make the math simpler (not a lot anyway)... and assuming perfect timing and not a missed fight (who needs sleep anyway)..

You get 100 rounds of 6 streaks that you can earn for free.

I haven't paid much attention to how much points you earn when you go all the way to the 6th streak.. let's say that you get 750 points?

So for free, you will be at 75,000 pts or so at the end of the week

The arena has only been out for a few hours, and the leader has already surpassed that mark. LOL

[Derp]

Truth... but I get tons of free stuff and I spend no gems!

I just like playing for free. I'm cheap. I spend money on my kids not a phone app.