Such a Shame.

[Vegaman]

GREE have totally ruined this brilliant game. Such a shame.

How can the majority compete against level 25 players with 5.5 million plus stats and lots of players with 12-15 million def at level 60-80. Can't score much being a old timer and if you can it's equivalent of hitting the CC.

The only way forward is to pay out a small fortune in real cash each week to keep up with the stats inflation, and even that is being ramped up to make it very costly to achieve a high stat unit. It's a joke.

Many many friends i have in MW, who like me have stopped spending, parked our player and the LLP's we created to try and compete in a faction, and mainly use our systems like Groupme etc to chat and socialise.

This was a great game... those with more than 6th grade intelligence knew that The Pirates and now SUP are part dev's, programmers, etc..there to get the more gullible to spend huge amounts of real cash, and play with free or highly discounted gold. But hey thats ok, it is what it is.
But its become very transparent now that this strategy was not enough for the Management of GREE and so the stat inflation started and endless events one on top of the other. Start it off easy to bait the hook and then ramp it up so before the player realises and gets his/her credit card statement, the maximum is taken in small chunks that don't seem too much at the time.. Its amazing how quickly a thousand clocks up. (I'm not criticising those that choose to spend their cash on this game, before that old chestnut surfaces... Merely stating a fact on the tactics of the company).

But surely to cut off the player base that spent well every week/month regularly and were the mainstay of the game seems a bit ludicrous to me.

Those that Troll and defend the system are part of the system so their backlash is expected...

But for the average Joe or Jane who looked forward to wars, teamwork, banter and thrills then its a sad day that the game has become a quick short term hit where developers and managers grab a few bucks off a player as they drop in and then out after a few weeks of trying to keep up.

So Happy New Year to all, GREE employees, Players and haters... Peace to you all.....

RIP Modern War... Your time has come too early.

[Jaebee]

........Amen.......

[boco78]

Agree completely...my feelings exactly...Nice said!:)

[Drawdog]

Just joined the forum to say hi and by. Been suing 3 months got my stats to 1m atk and 1m def. just done two trucks of gold in a war with a player with 100k less def than my attack and I kept losing one in three attacks. This just isn't on and I've had enough.

Final score was 37,000 to 35,000 so only one winner - Gree

Player was mayhem jnr. Nowt against him. It's this really poor game that's weak

[SPWD]

Completely agree with the op,how many other games out there EXPECT you to spend hundreds of real cash to complete 1 part of one event of many , it's diabolical,and before anyone says it,there is no way to complete these events without spending loads,unless you cheat!
I'm in the first level of the gold programme so I don't mind spending but I refuse to spend 6-8 vaults just to complete one ltq of many events in one month,I mean seriously!

I think on New Year's Eve they should just turn the lights off!

[SevenO9]

"The report of my death was an exaggeration."

[Chris#1]

I have had a lot of fun meeting people all over the world playing this game and it was great. A lot of the people have already left and I will after this war as it's no longer fun. I already have a job and this feels like another one now. I see plenty of games out in the market, I will try a non Gree game to try to find a better match for me.

[Malaga]

I would say that their programmers are incompetent with their numerous bugs which they never manage to repair and still the same messages as they are sorry. However it must be necessary recognized that they are great swindlers.
It's a pity because the game is good but their after-sales service is catastrophic.


GREE have totally ruined this brilliant game. Such a shame.

How can the majority compete against level 25 players with 5.5 million plus stats and lots of players with 12-15 million def at level 60-80. Can't score much being a old timer and if you can it's equivalent of hitting the CC.

The only way forward is to pay out a small fortune in real cash each week to keep up with the stats inflation, and even that is being ramped up to make it very costly to achieve a high stat unit. It's a joke.

Many many friends i have in MW, who like me have stopped spending, parked our player and the LLP's we created to try and compete in a faction, and mainly use our systems like Groupme etc to chat and socialise.

This was a great game... those with more than 6th grade intelligence knew that The Pirates and now SUP are part dev's, programmers, etc..there to get the more gullible to spend huge amounts of real cash, and play with free or highly discounted gold. But hey thats ok, it is what it is.
But its become very transparent now that this strategy was not enough for the Management of GREE and so the stat inflation started and endless events one on top of the other. Start it off easy to bait the hook and then ramp it up so before the player realises and gets his/her credit card statement, the maximum is taken in small chunks that don't seem too much at the time.. Its amazing how quickly a thousand clocks up. (I'm not criticising those that choose to spend their cash on this game, before that old chestnut surfaces... Merely stating a fact on the tactics of the company).

But surely to cut off the player base that spent well every week/month regularly and were the mainstay of the game seems a bit ludicrous to me.

Those that Troll and defend the system are part of the system so their backlash is expected...

But for the average Joe or Jane who looked forward to wars, teamwork, banter and thrills then its a sad day that the game has become a quick short term hit where developers and managers grab a few bucks off a player as they drop in and then out after a few weeks of trying to keep up.

So Happy New Year to all, GREE employees, Players and haters... Peace to you all.....

RIP Modern War... Your time has come too early.

[Bravo Zulu]

Vegaman I have watched your posts for a long time now. Always astute and as usual mirroring the thoughts of us regular players.

It has been a deflating (except for steroid llps) year. I started out on top for my level in this game. I watched in wonder the "old timers" of last year who had like 3 million stats. Would I ever get there? Factions started and this game became amazingly fun. That lasted for a few short months. New, incredibly expensive events. No events we could hope to complete without at least a vault if not more of gold. More events that we couldn't complete. Then the weeks of stat inflation.

The game ceased to be a fun leisure time activity and became a full time job. If I wanted to "keep up." Then I found that I didn't even have the money to keep up. I could easily spend 200-300$ and call it entertainment. After all, a movie out cost 50 bucks now, and I don't take that with me either. But the new events require at least 1000$ a month to complete including doing well in wars. More points and more gold needed to maintain our position, with no hope to climb into a new TOP tier.

Soon, my level 239 player is slightly above average. The factions started falling apart, too busy to keep up with the things we had to do as a faction. People started getting resentful of the occasionally playing faction members, while struggling to accept that MW wasn't everyone's life. As mostly high achieving people, one thing is simple.

Gree, when you set goals that people repeatedly can't complete, they stop trying. This is basic psychology 101. It is the principle behind learned helplessness. And you did that to people. Although I am generally not condoning of whining and general pessimistic virulence, you created this environment. You say you listen, but this isn't just about how we play- it's about how we FEEL. People called your game amazing because of the way it made them feel- not because your pixels or game strategy are superior to other apps. You made them feel good, and you took it away. From me too.

We just matched with a faction where the highest level was 115. The lowest stats were a level 15 or so player with 600k defense. We are old timers. We have 15 150 level players or above, with 10 or so llp accounts at 2-3 million stats. Our stats are still twice these level 50 players with 3 million plus in defense. We still can't win. They hit us hard in the last minute. They can get points. We cannot. Some call this good strategy on their part. I call it exploitation. It is simply finding a hole, and using it. A easy fix would be to make WD points weighted more heavily to this close in stats. But by keeping level as a major part of the algorithm you shut those of us down that don't want to abandon our main accounts, the accounts we worked hard for, in favor of our llp accounts. Our faction could break our llps into their own faction, just to win. I know that is what these steroid llp factions would argue. But we aren't connected to those really. We created them as support for the main accounts, their stats inflating simply by virtue of them being "along for the ride." We didn't have to work for their stats, which makes us less proud. We don't just want to win. We want to earn it.

So, we have spent less and less. Spending in our faction has become self focused, as the WD prizes for top tiers have remained too low, and the streak prizes became unattainable. We hit too many factions where we would have to spend twice the gold for half the points, like the faction I mentioned above. It is disheartening and frustrating. The game is squeezing the last drop of fun out of the last bar of gold. We have no goals to work toward. No prizes to get. What exactly is a 5k unit worth for a win 6 in a row streak? My stats are at 7 million defense. That unit won't even move my numbers. No incentive to put in the effort and potential gold to get that... Without goals, factions are aimless in WD wars now. And aimless factions don't play hard.

Do you realize how many points it now takes to get into the top 250, where my faction used to land consistently? The top 400 prize is now marginally worth it, at best. 10.5k unit. 5% increase. Then the top 250 unit is back to 5k. Ugh.

I thought you guys had decided to change things Gree. The 25% increase in raid payout was the first prize to spark our interest in months. We played like we used to, and damn it was fun. We didn't think about the blasted streaks. I thought maybe this time the prizes for the streaks might mirror that change. But no, both back to the usual.

And what the usual has become is nothing that interests us. Nothing that we want to work for which is when we have fun. We don't want to work for it because we know that the truth is, those units won't make a difference. Unless we want to join factions that all spend regularly, we are relegated to the crumbs- the units we can pick up for what a player with spends moderate time and money.

Let me be clear for all of the other people on the forum. I quit posting because the players began taken their frustrations with Gree and the game out on each other. But now, I felt like I should say my peace. Pretty soon I will join the ranks of the empty bases. I won't complain about the money I spent, as my fun dwindled so did my spending. I am not even complaining about all of the events, or steroid factions. I was just stating facts and the sharing our point of view.

I am complaining that while your developers seemed to do a fine job applying psychological principles to game design to increase spending and give us a hook (and by all means I think you are aupposed to, you are a business and businesses are supposed to make money), Gree has failed psychology 101 by being less than comprehensive. To keep what you have going you needed a better strategy for the variable ratio reinforcement schedule you set up. You need a different reinforcement schedule.

Human beings, unlike other animals, are not Classically Conditioned in Pavlov's brilliant findings. Skinner was a powerhouse because he explained our inconsistent behavior as humans and put forth the theory of Operant Conditioning. As a psychology instructor, I stress this to my students always. You guys should do a little reading. I'd be happy to consult.

[DocLo]

One needs only look at the pts this war to realize many have left. SUP1 and SUP2 are running away with it... and I say let em... They've won nothing if they're the only ones playing.

[free play]

here here for the op, it's a real pity that the game is ruined and some day soon it will all end and no server will mean no log in to see nice little pics of funny tanks and planes ect that have cost some a hell of allot of money to buy, and we will all get our lives back and many will cry 😢😢😢😢

[Bobar]

gree - read this post carefully. it´s your customers speaking....

[partcrash]

Problem as I see it is that game can be hugely profitable if the top three places in each war were not predetermined.

Dev/qa/whatever sups might be, but they are ruining the profitability of the game as funny as it might sounds. If I know anything about how to make money from pay-to-win software - the money sups spend would be dwarfed by the money the normal top ten factions would spend were they to fight for the top three ranking.

[SPWD]

Vegaman I have watched your posts for a long time now. Always astute and as usual mirroring the thoughts of us regular players.

It has been a deflating (except for steroid llps) year. I started out on top for my level in this game. I watched in wonder the "old timers" of last year who had like 3 million stats. Would I ever get there? Factions started and this game became amazingly fun. That lasted for a few short months. New, incredibly expensive events. No events we could hope to complete without at least a vault if not more of gold. More events that we couldn't complete. Then the weeks of stat inflation.

The game ceased to be a fun leisure time activity and became a full time job. If I wanted to "keep up." Then I found that I didn't even have the money to keep up. I could easily spend 200-300$ and call it entertainment. After all, a movie out cost 50 bucks now, and I don't take that with me either. But the new events require at least 1000$ a month to complete including doing well in wars. More points and more gold needed to maintain our position, with no hope to climb into a new TOP tier.

Soon, my level 239 player is slightly above average. The factions started falling apart, too busy to keep up with the things we had to do as a faction. People started getting resentful of the occasionally playing faction members, while struggling to accept that MW wasn't everyone's life. As mostly high achieving people, one thing is simple.

Gree, when you set goals that people repeatedly can't complete, they stop trying. This is basic psychology 101. It is the principle behind learned helplessness. And you did that to people. Although I am generally not condoning of whining and general pessimistic virulence, you created this environment. You say you listen, but this isn't just about how we play- it's about how we FEEL. People called your game amazing because of the way it made them feel- not because your pixels or game strategy are superior to other apps. You made them feel good, and you took it away. From me too.

We just matched with a faction where the highest level was 115. The lowest stats were a level 15 or so player with 600k defense. We are old timers. We have 15 150 level players or above, with 10 or so llp accounts at 2-3 million stats. Our stats are still twice these level 50 players with 3 million plus in defense. We still can't win. They hit us hard in the last minute. They can get points. We cannot. Some call this good strategy on their part. I call it exploitation. It is simply finding a hole, and using it. A easy fix would be to make WD points weighted more heavily to this close in stats. But by keeping level as a major part of the algorithm you shut those of us down that don't want to abandon our main accounts, the accounts we worked hard for, in favor of our llp accounts. Our faction could break our llps into their own faction, just to win. I know that is what these steroid llp factions would argue. But we aren't connected to those really. We created them as support for the main accounts, their stats inflating simply by virtue of them being "along for the ride." We didn't have to work for their stats, which makes us less proud. We don't just want to win. We want to earn it.

So, we have spent less and less. Spending in our faction has become self focused, as the WD prizes for top tiers have remained too low, and the streak prizes became unattainable. We hit too many factions where we would have to spend twice the gold for half the points, like the faction I mentioned above. It is disheartening and frustrating. The game is squeezing the last drop of fun out of the last bar of gold. We have no goals to work toward. No prizes to get. What exactly is a 5k unit worth for a win 6 in a row streak? My stats are at 7 million defense. That unit won't even move my numbers. No incentive to put in the effort and potential gold to get that... Without goals, factions are aimless in WD wars now. And aimless factions don't play hard.

Do you realize how many points it now takes to get into the top 250, where my faction used to land consistently? The top 400 prize is now marginally worth it, at best. 10.5k unit. 5% increase. Then the top 250 unit is back to 5k. Ugh.

I thought you guys had decided to change things Gree. The 25% increase in raid payout was the first prize to spark our interest in months. We played like we used to, and damn it was fun. We didn't think about the blasted streaks. I thought maybe this time the prizes for the streaks might mirror that change. But no, both back to the usual.

And what the usual has become is nothing that interests us. Nothing that we want to work for which is when we have fun. We don't want to work for it because we know that the truth is, those units won't make a difference. Unless we want to join factions that all spend regularly, we are relegated to the crumbs- the units we can pick up for what a player with spends moderate time and money.

Let me be clear for all of the other people on the forum. I quit posting because the players began taken their frustrations with Gree and the game out on each other. But now, I felt like I should say my peace. Pretty soon I will join the ranks of the empty bases. I won't complain about the money I spent, as my fun dwindled so did my spending. I am not even complaining about all of the events, or steroid factions. I was just stating facts and the sharing our point of view.

I am complaining that while your developers seemed to do a fine job applying psychological principles to game design to increase spending and give us a hook (and by all means I think you are aupposed to, you are a business and businesses are supposed to make money), Gree has failed psychology 101 by being less than comprehensive. To keep what you have going you needed a better strategy for the variable ratio reinforcement schedule you set up. You need a different reinforcement schedule.

Human beings, unlike other animals, are not Classically Conditioned in Pavlov's brilliant findings. Skinner was a powerhouse because he explained our inconsistent behavior as humans and put forth the theory of Operant Conditioning. As a psychology instructor, I stress this to my students always. You guys should do a little reading. I'd be happy to consult.

Very very well said.

Steve

[SPWD]

gree - read this post carefully. it´s your customers speaking....


And this!!!!!!!

[pick_sax]

Gree, listen to customers? Haven't done it much. Wouldn't expect it here.

Without statflation, they'd never get new people in. The noobs would never catch up. But it does penalize the long term base that worked to build, with or without gold.

To some extent, the future is multiple accounts. One to be "your big one", for earning FLTQ prizes, and a JR to help earn the boss prizes.

In game money, building your base, and such is of minimal relevance these days. They units you can buy can no longer touch the competition units.

Erratic war points don't help either. So many points...


gree - read this post carefully. it´s your customers speaking....

[La La594]

The buzz has gone in short, no buzz no cash, gree you have made a terrible mistake, greed is what always gets you caught out, one of lifes basic rules

[La La594]

I have multiple accts one is top 50, and now my hlp is in a top 500 team, they have only fought 10 wars so far on free hits mostly, people arent playing anymore, you can make the top 4000 by putting 6 minis in a faction with no bonuses and just hit the cc, what a buzz that is NOT

[LosKevanos]

The enemy isnt SUP... if you have the cash, you can easily be in SUP as well... if you are able to maintain the cash, you can stay in SUP and with the time and money you invest into your virtual reality while in that faction, you too will become a god... the bonuses that stack keep giving and with every war being only 2-3 weeks, you get more of these bonuses to where every trophy you get is worth 500x more than it's printed value. SUP has learned the game and utilized exploits and strategies to continue being successful. Just like in the real world, for the majority of people there is no real way to get from the bottom of the scale to the top... to the ambitious eager person, they will always find ways to surge past the rest and eventually land their dreams. Don't hate SUP... realize that this game is divided into leagues... you get what you pay your time and money for if you utilize the opportunities in ways others don't realize. It is the same in the stock market... if you want to sit there and be safe in low risk options, your return will be as such... if you want to risk it all and search the news and figure out what is going to happen before it happens so you can buy low and sell high, then the same amount of money will yield more in return.

The Real enemy to us all is Gree... they are the ones that have created every problem that has ruined this game that has been taken advantage of by the elite and then is incompetant in how to fix it. We as a global player society that live in the world they have created know first hand how to fix these. We have all voiced multiple times and in a variety of ways how to stop this downward spiral to eventual oblivion which would not only fix the game and make us want to play it more, but increase their profits exponentially.

Gree has not listened because they don't care... like the oil companies... they are focusing on getting as much profit as they can before it dries up... when it does, they have no qualms about abandoning the rig... they already have searched, found, and developed new rigs in other prime locations which have already started sucking oil from those reserves. Their entire profits are utilized to exponentify their ability to get as much oil as they can while it is still available. We are their unfortunate victims and the only way now to prevent the well from running dry is to find another company willing to buy this platform and run it responsibly.

I believe that it is in our power to find this buyer whereas I believe that this game can remain profitable for any company that focuses on customer satisfaction and in-game balance and fairness... we would not all be here tolerating these injustices if we did not truly enjoy this game... we are willing to continue playing it and for most, they would be willing to continue buying gold as long as we can restore the economics and stop the inflation to both stats and gold.

Instead of complaining, moaning, quiting... we need to organize... Gree would have no problem selling this game, we are their prototype and the problems it is creating are not ideal for their business plan efficiency. Lets find a buyer... lets find a new company to buy Modern War and start fresh.

[Malaga]

Really imagine that SUP 1 and 2 is normal players ? I think that these 2 factions belong to the developers of GREE. Would they capable of ruining themselves to keep their leader's positions ? It is only the 2 factions which keep the 2 first positions since the beginning of campaigns. The other big factions in every campaign let their position for other lower. It's strange, no ?



One needs only look at the pts this war to realize many have left. SUP1 and SUP2 are running away with it... and I say let em... They've won nothing if they're the only ones playing.

[LosKevanos]

yeah, I can easily get into SUP or any top 10 right now... I've been invited multiple times... my WD points each war is incredible and that's all that is required... then I just stay in SUP or a top 10 faction for two years collecting all top trophies in all events and wars and there you have it... my stats become incredible as well and I become part of the mastermind brainstorm of how to best execute progressive strategy with others that spend way too much time in this game... these new strategies then get deployed and the rest of the factions begin using them to get the advantage we had while we are busy thinking of how to get the next best strategic advantage. In any herd there are the shepherds and the sheep, the leaders and the followers... don't be a hater because you are not in the right herd and just a follower... the same opportunities are there for anyone to pursue if they are able and willing to do so. Want advantage? then be the one who finds the next strategy that gives you and your faction that edge to get you ahead... being a later tier follower will never yield the results if you are the original inventer or first tier follower... just saying

[DFI]

I'm sorry but need to disagree. We are the enemy, not Gree. All of us have had a roll to play to allow Gree to exploit us. We complain but buy when there is a gold sale. We complain but finish a holiday event due to the boost unit. I dislike Gree as much as most of you, but I give up my daily latte knowing Gree screws me. But heck, it is my choice.


The enemy isnt SUP... if you have the cash, you can easily be in SUP as well... if you are able to maintain the cash, you can stay in SUP and with the time and money you invest into your virtual reality while in that faction, you too will become a god... the bonuses that stack keep giving and with every war being only 2-3 weeks, you get more of these bonuses to where every trophy you get is worth 500x more than it's printed value. SUP has learned the game and utilized exploits and strategies to continue being successful. Just like in the real world, for the majority of people there is no real way to get from the bottom of the scale to the top... to the ambitious eager person, they will always find ways to surge past the rest and eventually land their dreams. Don't hate SUP... realize that this game is divided into leagues... you get what you pay your time and money for if you utilize the opportunities in ways others don't realize. It is the same in the stock market... if you want to sit there and be safe in low risk options, your return will be as such... if you want to risk it all and search the news and figure out what is going to happen before it happens so you can buy low and sell high, then the same amount of money will yield more in return.

The Real enemy to us all is Gree... they are the ones that have created every problem that has ruined this game that has been taken advantage of by the elite and then is incompetant in how to fix it. We as a global player society that live in the world they have created know first hand how to fix these. We have all voiced multiple times and in a variety of ways how to stop this downward spiral to eventual oblivion which would not only fix the game and make us want to play it more, but increase their profits exponentially.

Gree has not listened because they don't care... like the oil companies... they are focusing on getting as much profit as they can before it dries up... when it does, they have no qualms about abandoning the rig... they already have searched, found, and developed new rigs in other prime locations which have already started sucking oil from those reserves. Their entire profits are utilized to exponentify their ability to get as much oil as they can while it is still available. We are their unfortunate victims and the only way now to prevent the well from running dry is to find another company willing to buy this platform and run it responsibly.

I believe that it is in our power to find this buyer whereas I believe that this game can remain profitable for any company that focuses on customer satisfaction and in-game balance and fairness... we would not all be here tolerating these injustices if we did not truly enjoy this game... we are willing to continue playing it and for most, they would be willing to continue buying gold as long as we can restore the economics and stop the inflation to both stats and gold.

Instead of complaining, moaning, quiting... we need to organize... Gree would have no problem selling this game, we are their prototype and the problems it is creating are not ideal for their business plan efficiency. Lets find a buyer... lets find a new company to buy Modern War and start fresh.

[LosKevanos]

There will never be a way to beat SUP unless those veteran players with an entire years worth of top placement trophies retire their characters. Not even the new wave of llp gods that are increasing in 1-2mil stats every war and a threat to every high level player and top faction are able to catch them to do any harm since every SUP member earns every trophy they get. It amazes me that everyone wants to dethrone SUP1 and SUP2 when this is just not going to happen... the time to stop them was after brazil and madagascar and china etc... already being an elite faction of gold spenders from the start as an ultimate strategic advantage in war and maximizing faction bonuses to have the stat bonus advantage has paid off and sky rocketed them to their rightful place in our hierarchy. Having active members in these forums from the beginning, they already had their established intel network and strategic mastermind to out think and stay one step ahead of funzio and then Gree... they were able to connect the dots and figure out where the events were heading and develop a business plan.

Walmart in the states did the same very exact strategy as SUP... in business, it's not a miracle that you are successful... it's first a science and then an art... to stay successful, you can't just continue to operate as originally created... you have to evolve and continue being the leader in your industry... this involves analyzing current trends and events and adapting your business plans to utilize these as stepping stones and leap ahead of the competition as you use it to your advantage instead of always viewing it as an obstacle. Change brings awesome opportunity to the aggressive and progressive business man who wants to get ahead and stay ahead of the others... for those not so successful, change is always considered a roadblock and they waste their time and efforts seeking justice protesting the obstacle which only allows their rivals even more opportunity to surpass them and get ahead.

[Gatecrasher]

The enemy isnt SUP... if you have the cash, you can easily be in SUP as well... if you are able to maintain the cash, you can stay in SUP and with the time and money you invest into your virtual reality while in that faction, you too will become a god... the bonuses that stack keep giving and with every war being only 2-3 weeks, you get more of these bonuses to where every trophy you get is worth 500x more than it's printed value. SUP has learned the game and utilized exploits and strategies to continue being successful. Just like in the real world, for the majority of people there is no real way to get from the bottom of the scale to the top... to the ambitious eager person, they will always find ways to surge past the rest and eventually land their dreams. Don't hate SUP... realize that this game is divided into leagues... you get what you pay your time and money for if you utilize the opportunities in ways others don't realize. It is the same in the stock market... if you want to sit there and be safe in low risk options, your return will be as such... if you want to risk it all and search the news and figure out what is going to happen before it happens so you can buy low and sell high, then the same amount of money will yield more in return.

The Real enemy to us all is Gree... they are the ones that have created every problem that has ruined this game that has been taken advantage of by the elite and then is incompetant in how to fix it. We as a global player society that live in the world they have created know first hand how to fix these. We have all voiced multiple times and in a variety of ways how to stop this downward spiral to eventual oblivion which would not only fix the game and make us want to play it more, but increase their profits exponentially.

Gree has not listened because they don't care... like the oil companies... they are focusing on getting as much profit as they can before it dries up... when it does, they have no qualms about abandoning the rig... they already have searched, found, and developed new rigs in other prime locations which have already started sucking oil from those reserves. Their entire profits are utilized to exponentify their ability to get as much oil as they can while it is still available. We are their unfortunate victims and the only way now to prevent the well from running dry is to find another company willing to buy this platform and run it responsibly.

I believe that it is in our power to find this buyer whereas I believe that this game can remain profitable for any company that focuses on customer satisfaction and in-game balance and fairness... we would not all be here tolerating these injustices if we did not truly enjoy this game... we are willing to continue playing it and for most, they would be willing to continue buying gold as long as we can restore the economics and stop the inflation to both stats and gold.

Instead of complaining, moaning, quiting... we need to organize... Gree would have no problem selling this game, we are their prototype and the problems it is creating are not ideal for their business plan efficiency. Lets find a buyer... lets find a new company to buy Modern War and start fresh.

You had me till you opened your mouth. Some of what you said is completely accurate, the rest is garbage. 1st of all, as the old English saying goes' why use one word when ten will do'. Secondly, typical rubbish, why blame yourself when someone else will do. As I said notoriously before, Gree is not the problem, the problem is 'YOU'. This game has many leaders and many wannabe leaders. Until the real leaders get together and work together we will continue to be divided and conquered. Never mind SUP, concentrate on the rest of us. Make a pact, stop feeding the beast, take control of your own destiny. Anything else is just pish!

[LosKevanos]

Our addiction to the luxury of what oil provides us is why we continue to pay for the same fuel at outrageous sums of money compared to what we were paying years before. Yes... we do have options at our disposal... we could not drive, park the car or sell it... but this doesn't hurt the oil companies one bit... for every driver who stops buying fuel, there is several others who take their place. They have us in their pockets, and we are the enemy?

Sure, you're right... we are primal savage carnal beasts who have evolved through time into technologically superior intelligent beings who have created a lavish society whereby we are all able to operate at a high level of economic efficiency to further elevate our lifestyles to a relative luxury... and because of a monopoly on a commodity that we all depend on for such, we are all held hostage to lose everything we have worked and lived for and you expect us to just toss it to the side and try to forget about our entire investment and previous lifestyle because we were the fools to be dependent on oil.

What if the electric companies allied together like OPEC and did the same thing? Elevate the price without any other reason than to fill their pockets with revenue and wield that power over us because there isn't anything any of us can do but declare ourselves the enemy and go join the Amish.

We are not the enemy... we started playing this game because we enjoyed the principles of play it was built on... allowing faction activity brought a whole new dynamic to the game that made it even more enjoyable. Our intentions were noble, we wanted to succeed in the game, and we utilized the advantages available to us to do so, according to our time and money budgets.

We ARE the victim... we are being held hostage by GREE because they are exploiting the economics of the game and now they aren't even awarding the units we paid for.

You are right... we can leave the game, we can retire... this isn't the only game out there... but I hope you understand that by doing so, everything we invested into this game, our factions, and our avatars is lost and for nothing.

Maybe you're okay with that... I'm not, and neither is a majority of those still playing the game... we suffer the atrocities of GREE and continue to hope that that they will get their act together so that we can once again play without glitches and bugs, without having to spend a fortune to stay ahead, and that our veteran status and patronage in the game is rewarded... not penalized.

Fine... gas prices won't be $1 a gallon like the good ol days... we can agree to that... but you need to stabilize the market and return economic stability and consistency to a resonable level. $4 a gallon sucks... lets get it to fluctuate between $2-$3 a gallon and make sure gas pumps are working and your gas product top quality. You'll find that we will be very happy with this compromise... it's really not that difficult... and the long term steady profits of more people using your product will far outweigh your gold digger suck em dry efforts...

I can you promise you that, because this is business... not rocket science

[Gatecrasher]

This is some tribal bs. To many tribes to be exploited. Even if you united for a common purpose the money men would wait a month then manipulate you all over again. None of ya have a hope. Walk away now and go make love to your woman, or man.

[LosKevanos]

I will always believe in the power of the people... it is ours, sitting there... waiting for us to collectively unite and wield it to our advantage. Gree is no match for us if we stand together and organize our strategy and utilize it as a mighty force... just like in the WD event and being able to defeat higher stat teams and splinter cells. Individually there is not much we can do... together we can do the impossible.

[Esohceekayes]

Really imagine that SUP 1 and 2 is normal players ? I think that these 2 factions belong to the developers of GREE. Would they capable of ruining themselves to keep their leader's positions ? It is only the 2 factions which keep the 2 first positions since the beginning of campaigns. The other big factions in every campaign let their position for other lower. It's strange, no ?

The top two factions are just "normal guys" who drop $1,000's of real cash dollars every day to play a game? Anyone who thinks this is out of touch with reality. They're Gree shills- and it's a good strategy because you get the lower guys always chasing the people who aren't really paying to play the game. And Gree laugh$ their a$$e$ to the bank. ChaChing!

[LosKevanos]

I present as evidence the recently retired supergod FERR... who has in the two years spent playing this game confessed that he invested well over $200,000 to obtain his amazing stats. Prior to the start of stat inflation and then gold inflation that began with India WD Event, his stats were unachievable any other way and his account was routinely monitored by GREE for legitimacy and integrity... never having any merit to be banned. Imagine how much your character avatar would improve if you were able and willing to drop just $2k real world cash every month since you started, thereby also receiving the 50,000 tier 3 gold bonus dropped into your account by the 7th of every month... maybe you can start to see that it isn't that hard to get all the top trophies in every event and lay down massive WD points in war.

How many of us in the single digit million stats right now are accused of hacking and cheating by those still somehow in the low 100 thousands who haven't been able to keep up with the stat inflations because they are in weak unorgnized factions and limited to their time invested and playing gold free?

It is incomprehensible to them how even you have been able to get so far above them and they haven't been. Consider the latest scam GREE is pulling on us with the 300k wtf trophy... in yours and my inventory, it might be worth a little more than the stated value... to the top elite players with max bonuses already in their inventory that has grown substantially since India, it is worth well over 1.5million in their inventory. With this massive sum of gold in their account each month, completing these super events is a cake walk and you want to debate if their avatar is legit?

So you don't live a life where you are able to drop $2k a month... no worries, nobody judges you or thinks less... if I had wife and kids and a mortgage and lived paycheck to paycheck I wouldn't be able to do so either... but you play a game with over 15 million others across the world, a small percentage of those living lives to where they can drop that much and more without flinching or batting an eye.

It goes to reason that those who are able to spend that much are going to be at the top of our society and be the most successful, having the supreme gold advantage over those who are not able to match it. It also lends speculation to the fact that if they are that successful financially in their elite real lives, they will utilize the same strategies and knowledge that got them to the success they enjoy that affords them to burn cash on gold like a millionaire throwing Benjamin's in the fireplace to keep his mansion warm on a cold december night while going through his rival list in order to increase his battle points to get golden dragon ops rank.

Enjoy the game wherever you are at with your budget... that is what I tell my faction members... if you can't afford to finish the LTQs, then just do the best you can with what you got... and if you don't like the fact that the game economy has ruined your odds for getting ahead and find yourself falling behind... realize that you are not alone, there is a very large majority who used to be middle class in this game and they are being reduced to poverty levels. Don't be a victim... stop being a victim... do something about it... unite and organize, we totally have options! This is not just isolated to the low and middle classes... the high and elite classes are also being affected... we need them to be the leaders and officers they are and take charge.

Until everyone gets on the same page, we are defenseless and these atrocities will continue either forcing more to resign the cause or the game becoming sucked dry and dissolving to abandoned oblivion whereby we don't even have the option to resign or keep playing.

[Esohceekayes]

In other words, if you're not pulling down a six figure job in real life, you aren't successful in real life, and thus won't be successful in the game.

What the f*ck did I just read?

[LosKevanos]

hahaha... that was awesome... hahaha

nice total twist into your own agenda, perspective, and understanding... love it, lol

I don't get to enjoy the luxuries of those that make more than I do... I cant expect to drive a beautiful luxury sports car and wear the latest fashions... I don't have a mansion with a butler and a maid and a gardner... I have to work for a living and I've been able to get ahead in my line of work because I am genius, dedicated, and ambitious and make sacrifices to get what I want... these traits I bring with me into Modern War and my progress is a result of such because this is the level I need to enjoy the game.

If you are a free player, fine... awesome... but don't expect to get as far as gold players.

If you are a light gold user compared to a heavy gold user... wonderful... but don't expect to get as far as heavy gold users.

If you only spend an hour a day... brilliant... but don't expect to get as far as those who spend more time in the game.

My point, to clarify it and perhaps simplify it... is to realign your expectations in order to enjoy the game in your league and realm, wherever that may be.

You will never be able to get to where other people are who have invested more time and cash into the game than you have and if you keep judging yourself against them you will always find yourself unsatisfied.

You are right, there are Gree factors that are now limiting your growth as it was before with the same investment... together we can work together to make the changes we all want and we each can once again find our little chunk of paradise in this virtual world and society.

[Generik79]

LosKevanos voted wordiest forumite. Wow... not even reading

[LosKevanos]

which is fine... these posts were intended for those who do read them

[Generik79]

which is fine... these posts were intended for those who do read them

I read this...that is more like it buddy.

[Malaga]

When I read the comments of some members, it reminds me that gaming companies they are the developers, the shareholders and the testers. What is the One who loses the most?

[Bubseg]

gree is favouring sup all the time

you just have to look at the rewards for finishing1st and 2nd. both guild increases.
making sup even stronger.
i loved this game
the game is dead. look at the margin in the wars. sup r 20 mill ahead. y 20. mill. y not. 2 mill just to win
faction im in is great and teamwork is awesome ,

look at the evidence u say.
well what about all the players who got the super unit for not completing the streak ? guys who got the streak but never got the unit. ,

[SevenO9]

60 player doing 1500 wins at 300 points --> exactly the score of sup1

1st place unit : + alliance attack

2nd place unit : + alliance (not faction) size

no, i am not affiliated with sup, just wanted to get some facts straight

[Bubseg]

facts lol. u finish 1st. u get every award under it.
and its. faction size increase. not. alliance size.

if it was alliance size that wud mean. 505 = 30 more units. meaning. in fights.
youd take 505 allies= 3030 units vs. 500 allies = 3000 units


so my point is only sup will get the top 2 awards.
inreasing there member numbers giving an even more disadvantage to guys. under them ,

it reminds me of the scottish football league where it was only rangers and celtic who. cud win , look wat happened there. , the scottish game got destroyed because of it. , and this game is on that same course. everyone will lose interest and the money will be pulled out

thats the facts !!!

[droffatsto50]

facts lol. u finish 1st. u get every award under it.
and its. faction size increase. not. alliance size.

if it was alliance size that wud mean. 505 = 30 more units. meaning. in fights.
youd take 505 allies= 3030 units vs. 500 allies = 3000 units


so my point is only sup will get the top 2 awards.
inreasing there member numbers giving an even more disadvantage to guys. under them ,

it reminds me of the scottish football league where it was only rangers and celtic who. cud win , look wat happened there. , the scottish game got destroyed because of it. , and this game is on that same course. everyone will lose interest and the money will be pulled out

thats the facts !!!
Since where does it say faction increase? Alliance means allies, it's in the word....

[Vegaman]

60 player doing 1500 wins at 300 points --> exactly the score of sup1

1st place unit : + alliance attack

2nd place unit : + alliance (not faction) size

no, i am not affiliated with sup, just wanted to get some facts straight


Well said SevenO9... My post was never about SUP or how much some players wish to spend. My beef is with GREE ruining a great game, in fact ruining one of the best app games on the market, that had real longevity which is rare.

By changing the dynamics so quickly, they have in fact marginalised their main body of players, who now feel "used" and "apathetic" towards a game they actually used to look forward playing. (I have never, before MW, set an alarm to wake up to help fight in a make believe War).

My old faction of which i am a parked member has no one trying for this war. On Sunday in the last war we were on about 1.4 million WDP. Now at this moment we are on 220k wdp. The gold spenders have said no more. Members aren't bothered anymore. That i know is Our/Their/My choice. Roll that out to many other factions and you have a problem. The leaderboard speaks for itself. The scores "Generally" are very low, as more and more take the free attack, regen and attack position.

So please don't just read the last post and start typing, for once read up the timeline. many have added excellent comments, 1 contributor has "Verbal Diarrhoea", (Imodium needed urgently), but its welcome and takes all points of view to have a healthy discussion, but understand the original premise of the Thread and contribute.

Most of all lets have a bit of solidarity amongst gamers.

[SevenO9]

It does not increase faction size. There hasn't been any award in MW history increasing faction. Even the mighty SUP1 had max. 60 member whenever I met them on the battlefield.

[Hondo]

The smartest move ever made in this game was PUN having a long line of feeder factions.

The dumbest move was Funzio selling out to Gree.

[Bubseg]

look at the pucture of the award.

it is clearly guild house

[SevenO9]

The dumbest move was Funzio selling out to Gree.

I guess the former owner of Funzio disagrees :-)

Long time no see Mr. Wayne. How'r things in Texas?

[Hondo]

Long time no see Mr. Wayne. How'r things in Texas?

Things are good here. I went hunting, played some poker, and drank a bit of whiskey this weekend instead of playing MW. I believe that's a good trade.

I hope you're doing well on the other side of the big pond. Have a happy new year.

[droffatsto50]

look at the pucture of the award.

it is clearly guild house
Please... just no it isn't.