Stripping is it cheating

[DMMoe2013]

I been in three or four wars and some guilds have made packs to strip armor of there GM so the other team can get all the points they can. Is this cheating are is this the game now.

[Bluntman]

I been in three or four wars and some guilds have made packs to strip armor of there GM so the other team can get all the points they can. Is this cheating are is this the game now.

That is the way guild wars goes now. It's all about getting the most points. A bunch of people have already complained about it.

[DMMoe2013]

Gree doesn't think it's bad then until there gem spender stop spending

[Eunuchorn]

Abusing a broken game mechanic that the developer refuses to acknowledge isn't cheating, I think. It does totally defeat the entire purpose of the game by removing all strategy, & forces ppl to spend their gem load much sooner than the war actually ends, leading to terrible boredom. I've been rallying to end stripping since before it was even discovered

http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?63537-Preemptive-Strike!-How-to-fix-Guild-Wars-amp-Arena!

[Forest God]

I'm just writing this to say that the link in sparkle dpa's signature doesn't lead to any information on getting free gems. It's just a link to some song. Don't bother.

[cafedecoy]

I been in three or four wars and some guilds have made packs to strip armor of there GM so the other team can get all the points they can. Is this cheating are is this the game now.

Well... I think
Inherent to the game is the motivation to dissect the scoring algorithm and to figure out clever ways to maximize that path to victory. So whoever came up with the stripping thing, more power to them, and I'm actually curious to see what other strategies some of the smart people in the gaming community will come up with next!

That said, I do believe this game is dominated by men. And when did men ever say no to stripping?

[Oxilated]

I'm just writing this to say that the link in sparkle dpa's signature doesn't lead to any information on getting free gems. It's just a link to some song. Don't bother.
dont spoil it, we all know that

[busteroaf]

The stripping benefits the losing guild. One guild would win regardless, a mutual stripping allows the lower guild to get points. If you can't understand this, you aren't paying attention.

Stripping benefits the lower guild the most.

[ilvtfu]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2010/03/24/Bill-in-Iceland-makes-stripping-illegal/UPI-19411269468866/

Stripping is illegal in Iceland. Stay in school kids!

[knights]

I'm just writing this to say that the link in sparkle dpa's signature doesn't lead to any information on getting free gems. It's just a link to some song. Don't bother.

You are not the only person to fall for it. I contributed to that view count too...

[imTectonic]

100% Agree with Eunuchorrn, comes down to who has the biggest payload of Gems and not strength or tactics

[unickque]

PROS
[1] It seems strategic. Yes, it's an exploitation of game mechanism for optimum scoring, especially when "families" or alliances are formed to take advantage of it. On its own, there's nothing wrong with it - just some good thinking. But who wins? The top 10 guilds which are currently utilising this technique? Yes, definitely. More importantly, who loses?

[2] Great for Gree! People are spending their gems/buying more gems so as to take advantage of winning against a GM when normally their armours would only allow them to compete fairly against the Commander or HC of that guild. So Gree wins.

CONS
[1] Stripping undermines the game. K&D is (fast-becoming 'was') fun because of its strategic element involved in matching elements of armours against other armours so as to complete a victory, be it in the Arena or in GW. Part of the fun also comes from collecting stronger armour, but that is really incidental to the strategic element, which most competitive players celebrate. Yes, 'stripping' is a tactic that works and is considered "strategic" by some, but the danger with allowing this is leading to disenchantment of the top 11-50 guilds which didn't manage to employ this method, or couldn't employ it as effectively.

Part of the problem stems from the inadequacy of GW prizes (I mean, people are spending thousands of dollars and Gree offers us Boilerplate+, an armour which is weaker than the EB+ that most of the members from top 11-50 guilds could easily obtain each week), but until they decide to correct this asymmetrical reward system, the inability of guilds to 'strip' as well as the top alliances would likely just lead to people saving up their gems for chests. After all, what is the point in gemming for War when the prizes are worth less than the money people spent in gems for war?

Collectively, an elite group of players win, most players lose, Gree possibly win/lose depending on players' desire to continue gemming after this war.

[2] Stripping can only be done by top guilds. Guilds are matched against guilds which are close in ranking. Top 25 guilds tend to be matched up against each other because of their close proximity. Other guilds may not be able to strip for one another unless they fortuitously meet a guild they have previously arranged an alliance with for stripping purposes, and even then, because of the low probability of meeting the opponent's guild again (unless both guilds progress at the same rate, and even then the odds are not in their favour), stripping might not occur at all since the premise of stripping is that both guilds get to enjoy the advantage, with 1 guild having a go first.

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Just some thoughts. In any case, given that Gree is likely to remain passive as long as they are earning lots of $$$ (well, I'm basing future actions on past behaviour), any solution would have to be player-based. Pessimistically, because I think the current metagame and game theory both favour stripping for the top guilds, the trend will simply continue.

My only worry is that once it reaches a threshold where many old players can't stand for it anymore, just like many other games which I've observed, there will be a mass exodus. This is especially likely if another game similar to K&D but which offers better/more intelligent/competitive play is introduced to the players.

[Lord Marius]

Is it cheating... of course it is. Its a guild war, not a guild alliances war. But guild wars are broken in many ways. Rewards are pretty lame outside top 10, even pretty bad for top 10 considering how much time and money they must spend to get it. Epic Boss has been best part of game recently, the rewards are worth the effort. And best of all, the weekly bosses aren't teaming up to make it harder for honest players to win.

[Concerned player]

Here is your alliance:
RR, RP, R rug, R flamers, R drug, R clay, 3 stars and a Sun, aye ready aye, chrono trigger, flaming matter, ham slamwich, Italian job, Kaos, Kaos Reigns, KOB, Legendary Sages, Over level 100, OtSS, Pale Rider, Sauce, Secret Ninjas, SNL, The Shadows, TSS, Unleashed, Unova, Veni Vidi Vici, War.

They talk to each other through the war. Strip armor for one another. Plan who will be the next top ten. Rouge guilds beware. You will be targeted if you are not part of their alliances and try to be top ten.

[Eunuchorn]

Here is your alliance:
RR, RP, R rug, R flamers, R drug, R clay, 3 stars and a Sun, aye ready aye, chrono trigger, flaming matter, ham slamwich, Italian job, Kaos, Kaos Reigns, KOB, Legendary Sages, Over level 100, OtSS, Pale Rider, Sauce, Secret Ninjas, SNL, The Shadows, TSS, Unleashed, Unova, Veni Vidi Vici, War.

They talk to each other through the war. Strip armor for one another. Plan who will be the next top ten. Rouge guilds beware. You will be targeted if you are not part of their alliances and try to be top ten.

You can't plan who will be next top 10, & right now there are very few guilds who won't strip for almost any other guilds.

[Concerned player]

You can't plan who will be next top 10, & right now there are very few guilds who won't strip for almost any other guilds.


But you guys sure do try to control the top ten, don't you.

[busteroaf]

But you guys sure do try to control the top ten, don't you.

We can't control what ALL the other guilds do. Hell, can't always control what the guilds inside your own alliance does.

But at the same time, if you control the top 10, it makes it much less expensive for everyone across the board. No one wants to be the 11th place finisher that spends way too much for a non epic reward.

You'd be a fool not to want a piece of that.

[EljayK]

Have to agree with Buster on this. No one can be blamed for taking advantage of it. At least not in the top 10/12. Our guild didn't, that I'm aware of. But we finished 21st. Not too shabby considering that only 50% was into it with the holidays and all. We scored 2m without stripping, and I feel like if we had 75% participation and stripped with every guild, we would have ended with 3m. Not enough for top 10, for sure, but a fair chunk higher.

Honestly the only way, I see, to fix the equality of guild wars is to make it so that each guild member in a war can be defeated 3 times before being considered, "dead." When all members are, "dead," then the whole guild is attackable again and it restarts. "Dead" members can attack, but can't be attacked.

That and make it so if you are beaten in an attack, the opposing guild member gets the points you would have gotten if you won. This would make paying attention and switching out armors fun and beneficial.

Both these ideas would favor a guild that has significantly better gear, (like all GW+ epics), but it's still a nice start towards balance.

This isn't a pay to play game though, so that level of skill isn't exactly financially beneficial.

[Hildigam]

When the gap between 11th and 12th is 9MILLION POINTS points, reducing the number of guilds shooting for t10 definently benefits the top 400players.

[Amesbhe]

It's just another strategy. Not cheating, just cheap.

[AlbertEvolve]

Here is your alliance:
RR, RP, R rug, R flamers, R drug, R clay, 3 stars and a Sun, aye ready aye, chrono trigger, flaming matter, ham slamwich, Italian job, Kaos, Kaos Reigns, KOB, Legendary Sages, Over level 100, OtSS, Pale Rider, Sauce, Secret Ninjas, SNL, The Shadows, TSS, Unleashed, Unova, Veni Vidi Vici, War.

They talk to each other through the war. Strip armor for one another. Plan who will be the next top ten. Rouge guilds beware. You will be targeted if you are not part of their alliances and try to be top ten.

Looking at that list there are 4 guilds not on the list who were top 10 (dpa, bad touch, konoha and godz). 5 if you count centurions who missed out. In any monopoly/ oligopoly situation, innovation eventually suffers. The non alliance guilds stop trying to break the stranglehold on the top 10. Gree starts to make less money and moves on to the next game and players get tired and move on to the next game.

Look back before the last war and there were 2 more no alliance guilds - untouchables and evolve. After this war DPA is gone. I guess the writing is on the war (intended).

Even the trolling gets a little less fun - no king mark, ziplock,sparkle heh

[busteroaf]

It's just another strategy. Not cheating, just cheap.

Define cheap. Stripping has made the points continue to skyrocket. More points means more gems used. More gems is not cheap. Cheap in the way it makes things about who strips for who, kinda. If you aren't in the "in" crowd, it can suck. But see below.


Looking at that list there are 4 guilds not on the list who were top 10 (dpa, bad touch, konoha and godz). 5 if you count centurions who missed out. In any monopoly/ oligopoly situation, innovation eventually suffers. The non alliance guilds stop trying to break the stranglehold on the top 10. Gree starts to make less money and moves on to the next game and players get tired and move on to the next game.

Look back before the last war and there were 2 more no alliance guilds - untouchables and evolve. After this war DPA is gone. I guess the writing is on the war (intended).

Even the trolling gets a little less fun - no king mark, ziplock,sparkle heh

Competition is welcome, and clearly still there.

But so far, no one has even taken into account certain situations where even two non-allied guilds can both lose out by not stripping. Here is an example:

Say for instance a guild is ranked #3, with #4 on their heels. They pair up against #8 (your guild), with #9-11 knocking on the door. #3 and #8 aren't in the same alliance. If its the 11th hour and you could potentially get bumped down 3 places by meeting a guild that isn't a mutual ally, (and note that they're geared a bit better, and have more people active when you battle them)... what do you do? You have a few options.

A) You rotate armors. You make it harder for #3 to beat you. You try and beat them, but they have more active, so it will be hard to find someone to farm, especially since they outgear you. This means you will likely lose, and not gain that many points since you are spending time rotating. You potentially give up your top 10 spot if 9-11 get good matchups and get a win.

B) You say "I want to secure my top 10 spot. Lets do a mutual strip." #3 gets more points to try and keep their spot, extra fusion boosts, extra gems, whatever the reward difference is between Silver and Bronze. You also get to keep your lead on the others below you rounding out the top 10. Again, no one wants the expensive 10th place. But, you could also anger your fellow alliance members by stripping for an "enemy" that isn't in the alliance, potentially keeping one of your own teams out?

Again, the matchmaking part of mutual stripping isn't always an exact science and you can't always be assured of a friendly.

Which option do you take?

If you eliminate stripping, then the guild wars goes back to being about having the better elemental matchups between armors and finding GM/GS/GC/HC's to farm, as opposed to who is allied with who etc. I find it hard to imagine that high ranked people within guilds would be willing to be farmed the entire war, since the only real way to allow stripping is to lock armors.

[cafedecoy]

Just my two cents..

First, stripping will not go away.. not for awhile. Stripping drives up the competition, and makes GREE more money and fast. The only way that stripping will go away is when people get so sick of the "lack of game strategy" that comes with it (for those who think that stripping itself is not exactly a strategy, which is debated, but also understandable from the viewpoint that it's just not really fun to be engaging fights mindlessly as fast as you can) and so much that they end up quitting or leaving the game.

A lot of people have already voiced strong opinions that they feel like slaves and they are not having fun. The problem is, the numbers so far show otherwise. Since stripping, the scores have gone up, game activity has gone up, and spending has gone up. I say this often and it's almost a cliche now, but numbers don't lie... and right now, the opinion that stripping is hurting the game play isn't aligned with reality. So until your opinions and feelings are actually supported with solid facts, I don't think GREE has much incentive to change the game.

That said, let's just say that there comes a point when stripping gets so mundane that people do actually start to quit and something has to happen to make the game fun again. What do you do?

Now, the idea about making players lock their 6 top armors prior to the game as an attempt to discourage stripping - I don't think it works for these reasons:

1. Locking in armors takes away a HUGE fundamental strategy to the game which is that players get rewarded for collecting as many power armors with a variety of elemental combinations as possible. A part of the game strategy is figuring out the ideal element combinations. There's a reason why it is possible to destroy you opponent's epic armor with your legendary as long as you pick the armor with the correct combinations. Limiting a player to 6 armors will take that "cleverness" out of the game and/or an incentive for the player to continue playing the game after they have a handful of power weapons, for the sake of collecting the armors with different element combinations.

2. Locking in 6 armors also DOES NOT prevent stripping. I could, for example, line up my knights with 5 power epics and one fusion boost, and then use the single knight with fusion boost when stripping is required. Sure, maybe having 5 power weapons stings a little, but it's not a huge huge detriment from having 6 weapons.

I think the only way to fix stripping is to make stripping not worth it.... which means you need to tweak the way scores are rewarded. For instance, let's say that fighting a non-stripped GM takes me 60 seconds to fight, and I end up earning 400 points. Fix the scoring so that if that same GM is stripped, and he reduces the battle time from 60 seconds to 15 seconds, make sure that I cannot score more than 100 points. At some point, some wheels will turn in my head, and I will decide not to engage in stripping. In fact, this might make the game even more interesting, as guilds might decide to collectively strip as a counter strategy. In other words, they don't score points, but they also prevent you from scoring points.... and how this all fits into the entire guild war in the midst of other competing guilds scoring as many points as quickly possible would throw another curve ball and twist into how guilds plan and strategize during the war.

[toogoodformyowngood]

Woah. No wonder IOS is able to rake up points so fast. Hmm, no lag + stripping = crazy ass points.

Would be interesting if GREE introduced stripping and additional points into Android might encourage spending.

[busteroaf]

Pretty sure stripping is around on Android side. If not... wtf?

[Eunuchorn]

Stripping was used by the top Android guilds, I know this for a fact from members of DKs alliance. There's a lot of drama on android right now over stripping for certain guilds & not others.
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As to Gree making more money off stripping, I don't really agree. The majority of players have a max # of gems they can use per war. If they use all these up on day 1 on a stripped GM, they're bored for 2 days & barely log in. A simple change in points awarded would help prevent it. Right now ppl are only losing about 1000pt/80 gems on a 1knight vs 3knight strip @ 10 pt per knight / win.

Why is it even allowed to use less than 3 knights in War or Arena for that matter?

As to controlling the top 10, once stripping is removed, Rainbow will be able to do it even better. RR has always taken losses to other Rainbow guilds, now we strip for them also. Once it's gone no other guild will be able or want to help other guilds. Rainbow Coalition will still be growing strong & rotating players in & out of RR from all the Rainbow guilds to make the community stronger as a whole.

[toogoodformyowngood]

Stripping was used by the top Android guilds, I know this for a fact from members of DKs alliance. There's a lot of drama on android right now over stripping for certain guilds & not others.
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As to Gree making more money off stripping, I don't really agree. The majority of players have a max # of gems they can use per war. If they use all these up on day 1 on a stripped GM, they're bored for 2 days & barely log in. A simple change in points awarded would help prevent it. Right now ppl are only losing about 1000pt/80 gems on a 1knight vs 3knight strip @ 10 pt per knight / win.

Why is it even allowed to use less than 3 knights in War or Arena for that matter?

As to controlling the top 10, once stripping is removed, Rainbow will be able to do it even better. RR has always taken losses to other Rainbow guilds, now we strip for them also. Once it's gone no other guild will be able or want to help other guilds. Rainbow Coalition will still be growing strong & rotating players in & out of RR from all the Rainbow guilds to make the community stronger as a whole.

Hihi,

Stripping does not have much impact on Android because we don't obtain rank bonuses.

And in top guilds stripping is done to help their associate/sister guilds to advance, especially if the top guild is already secured a top 10 finish.

Conclusion: No bonus points is obtain from stripping, it only helps a guild to win another guild if they could not win before. I.e: DK/Forsaken/OTB might strip for their allied/sister guilds so that they are able to get top 10 if they ever go up against one another. So the impact of stripping in android is far lesser as compared to IOS. Stripping is more for the secured win bonus rather than the bonus points.

But I would prefer to have a IOS point system, makes things more interesting :)

[cafedecoy]

As to Gree making more money off stripping, I don't really agree. The majority of players have a max # of gems they can use per war. If they use all these up on day 1 on a stripped GM, they're bored for 2 days & barely log in.

I disagree with you. Ever since the stripping got implemented, total scores have gone up. The rate of point gain has gone up. And the final scores for the cut lines for the top places have gone up. Although people may have a fixed budget when it comes to gems, where they psychologically adjust to that "fix" is flexible. Players are told that if they want to make their spending worth it (ie. place in xx th in a war, etc) then they need to spend more, so more are being pushed and more are being squeezed. I'm also pretty certain that more players decided to increase their gem budget, either while planning for the war (relative to their stance a few months ago) or during the last 16 hours of the war (for those that struggled to maintain their xx th place status). I understand that people do get bored, but so far, the pressure to score more overwhelms the loss of motivation to play due to boredom. I never said that this trend will continue forever, but at the moment, I think the balance tilts towards greater spending, not greater game abandonment as a result of boredom.

Also commenting on how the players get bored on day #2 or #3 is just looking at a small part of the big picture. With stripped GM, it is possible to spend gems faster, so it doesn't exactly compare a player's total spending. It does highlight that a player does not perform to his/her full maximum scoring potential, but don't forget that the GM stripping has greatly increased this theoretical potential... It does give a player the luxury of becoming lazier by two or three fold, and still manage to score higher with stripping than while as a 100% dedicated soldier with no stripping.





A simple change in points awarded would help prevent it. Right now ppl are only losing about 1000pt/80 gems on a 1knight vs 3knight strip @ 10 pt per knight / win.


My point exactly. If you want to get rid of stripping, you have to take away the incentive. Just an idea - make the players earn just 80 points when they attack a single stripped GM - the same rate as attacking a gate. But again, I think for now GREE likes it that the players are stripping, so I don't think much will happen until the collective war results show definitively that players are getting sick and tired of GM stripping.

[Zyntree]

I've got to agree with Cafe here. We were poised to score a top 10 spot and had the gems to do so, but that was based on calculations from previous guild wars. This most recent war was far and above the most expensive ever, which is a combination of not only stripping, but of the RR coalition pushing for control of top 10. Had there not been that 11th guild pushing up from the bottom, the incentive and requirement to spend more for spot 10 would have been gone. Clearly the point difference between 11 and 12 was huge.

Contrary to making wars cheaper, the RRC has made things more expensive for everyone. It will be interesting to see how things change for future wars. stripping for the win is extremely valuable when looking at it from a points perspective, and the desire to win makes it viable and fun... for the moment. Perhaps the numbers will continue to support stripping, as they clearly have so far, but I hope not. Stripping for the win is not fun for me.

Albeit it has its moments, and it's a great way to help out allies. It is still a serious detriment to the game imo

[NR Gnomig]

Android doesn't nearly have much of a problem with it.

Like DK Melancholic stated, Our top 10 guilds are pretty fair in the way they handle things.

Especially with affiliated guilds. The thing here, is that guilds under around 11-13 have a significant drop in points.

This doesn't have a lot to do with gem spending, because frankly, at around 10th place...guilds don't spend a whole lot.

Sure it happens once in a while, but that only makes the rest of us find more competent and active players to fight for spots in top 10.

Because as we know Melancholic, you guys are rediculas ;)

Gnomig,
N1GHT RA1D3RZ

[Eunuchorn]

Why is it even allowed to use less than 3 knights in War or Arena for that matter?


Gree thinks they're so Godd*mn funny.

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s657/TehEunuchorn/E440938E-D55A-4943-AE0B-102B88ED402E_zpssxpz9wr4.png (http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/TehEunuchorn/media/E440938E-D55A-4943-AE0B-102B88ED402E_zpssxpz9wr4.png.html)

[cafedecoy]

Gree's way of poking fun at stripping....

[toogoodformyowngood]

Gree's way of poking fun at stripping....

Gree likes trolling its players. Guess GREE has a good sense of humor?

[Synovia]

It's just another strategy. Not cheating, just cheap.

Anything where guilds that are supposed to be competing are helping each other out is cheating.

[Doc Sharp]

Honestly the only way, I see, to fix the equality of guild wars is to make it so that each guild member in a war can be defeated 3 times before being considered, "dead." When all members are, "dead," then the whole guild is attackable again and it restarts. "Dead" members can attack, but can't be attacked.


I like this idea. Grey out the attack button for a player once they've been defeated 3x until everyone else in the guild has been defeated 3x. Prevent the redundant mind numbing farming of the stripped GM or the weakest link.

They could also add another factor to the points awarded that would make sense and should be there anyway: Give armor a point range based on its total EP.

Armor EP value + enemy level (with no regard to level beyond 100th) + bonus for opponents rank in their guild for HC/Sent/GC/GM.


I don't consider stripping cheating, I just don't see the point. Personally I play the game to beat other players and guilds. That's why I want the new epic and spend my time and money on it. I'm all set with a war epic if all I'm going to use it for is to repeatedly farm the next stripped GM with it.

As a PS: For those calling out RR on it, I think you missed the post on the first page from Eunuchorn... he's looking for it to stop too. However, like any other min-maxer in any other game, if there's an easy way to get something that normally is a lot harder to obtain, the min-maxer is usually going to go for the path of least resistance. It's not up to them to not use something that isn't a cheat... it's up to the game's designer to change or remove the incentive.

[EljayK]

I like your dynamic addressing, even though I was addressing an opposing problem. No so much farming the same inactive member, but IGNORING the active/tougher players.

For instance, I think it would be closer to a strategy game if you had to find a way to beat each member. Even if there was a system like sentinel, where after three attacks they "fell" regardless. It would open up the option of which member attacks who. Stronger members couldn't just keep attacking the weakest, they would be needed to attack the strongest so that massive points aren't lost. This would be closer to what a real "old world" battle would have looked like. Grunts/Commanders attacking similar ranks, captains attempting to out-maneuver captains, and generals having to pit themselves against generals in wits.

[Zyntree]

@ Doc - yes.
@ EljayK - yes.

Before this new arena update I had all but given up hope of any comprehensive solution to wars... not I think they may do something about it. Clearly there could be a LOT of improvements to make the wars require more strategy, remove stripping and make them more fun. While stripping makes sense to earn points, it destroys the integrity of the game. Hopefully they will make an overhaul of the system to make it an obsolete practice

[Synovia]

As a PS: For those calling out RR on it, I think you missed the post on the first page from Eunuchorn... he's looking for it to stop too..

And yet his guild is the one organizing it, and coordinating to make sure all the other top 10 guilds are doing it. Its like Lance Armstrong complaining about doping in cycling.

[EljayK]

And yet his guild is the one organizing it, and coordinating to make sure all the other top 10 guilds are doing it. Its like Lance Armstrong complaining about doping in cycling.

They are winners at heart. Eunny was the first one to announce that it needed to be uncoded. You can't blame a winner for taking advantage of what wins. Winning isn't about integrity, it's about winning. Integrity is a lie that losers make up in their head to feel like winners. Even "Honor" in the middle ages was nothing more than a political strategy to assure that the winners were the ones who were in the right class, and not the ones who fought the best.

RR consistently speaks out against game mechanics that are faulty. But they would be stupid to put that level of dedication in and not win.

[firefly333]

Honestly the only way, I see, to fix the equality of guild wars is to make it so that each guild member in a war can be defeated 3 times before being considered, "dead." When all members are, "dead," then the whole guild is attackable again and it restarts. "Dead" members can attack, but can't be attacked.


The problem with this idea to me is it would benefit those who spent gems and had bad armor, the opposite of what most claim to want.

Im recruiting, lets say, and now I get a guy level 62 in the game not even eb plus armors, but he has 1000 gems to spend ...would make this gemmer even more attractive if he could only be hit 3 times and then the other 39 members of the guild had to be killed before the warring guild could hit this guy again.

I see guys all the time level 55, 58, 67, whatever who promise to gem, but because their armors are so weak, they are a no. With your idea they would then be a yes? Most top ten wouldnt take anyone under level 80 now.

I really dont think stripping is as pervasive as some people want to believe. Say it affects on average 1 out of 60 battles, 2 at most...so you would change things so the other 58 battles would favor weaker players who are willing to gem?

[Synovia]

I really dont think stripping is as pervasive as some people want to believe. Say it affects on average 1 out of 60 battles, 2 at most...so you would change things so the other 58 battles would favor weaker players who are willing to gem?

its not pervasive. Its pretty much only the top 15 guilds doing it, but they're ALL doing it because they're all coordinated enough to do it.


Which means pretty much everyone else is locked out of having any chance of moving into those spots without them agreeing to it. Its allowed them to basically set up a cartel.

[The Pale Rider]

The problem with this idea to me is it would benefit those who spent gems and had bad armor, the opposite of what most claim to want.

Im recruiting, lets say, and now I get a guy level 62 in the game not even eb plus armors, but he has 1000 gems to spend ...would make this gemmer even more attractive if he could only be hit 3 times and then the other 39 members of the guild had to be killed before the warring guild could hit this guy again.

I see guys all the time level 55, 58, 67, whatever who promise to gem, but because their armors are so weak, they are a no. With your idea they would then be a yes? Most top ten wouldnt take anyone under level 80 now.

I really dont think stripping is as pervasive as some people want to believe. Say it affects on average 1 out of 60 battles, 2 at most...so you would change things so the other 58 battles would favor weaker players who are willing to gem?

I assumed the proposal was each guild member could attack the same person up to 3 times before being forced to move to another person -- Not the entire guild. Frankly given how slowly actions by other members update through the GREE server, it's just not feasible to have it be a mini sentinel for every person.

As for the larger question of the merits of stripping...I HATE the whole idea of stripping for a fight where the other guild is one we could beat. I'm not a fan of collaborating just to end up with a higher rank. Neither is the rest of my guild. But, it's not fun or competitive to be matched to a top 10 guild that's going to score 400,000 off you either. My guild matched with 5 of the top 10 last GW. We had zero chance of winning any of those fights. Frankly we had little chance of finding a match up that more than a handful of members could score anything. If it weren't for stripping, we'd just do nothing and wait for the next match-up (hitting the gate if energy is maxed). With stripping, the power guild gets to know every one of its members can max points by pounding the GM and the members of the weak guild can score a little bit (although they can't get a win bonus or Frenzy- so probably not worth gemming on). I think this definitely benefits the weaker guild more than the stronger guild.

Having said that, when I rotated my armor I got about 1 in 5 of even the top guilds to lose when they all were attacking me. Versus no losses if i stripped. So the top guild gets about 20% more points than they otherwise would've. When you're paying for those attacks 20% isn't nothing. So the benefits flow both ways.

This is the kind of stripping that makes sense to me. Mutually beneficial and involving a gross mismatch.

Negotiating who wins or loses in a chat room between two guilds at roughly same level does not sound fun. Why the heck would members want to be in a guild that does that all the time?

[Synovia]

Negotiating who wins or loses in a chat room between two guilds at roughly same level does not sound fun. Why the heck would members want to be in a guild that does that all the time?

because it guarantees them an epic.

Its the same reason that companies create cartels and fix prices. It limits risk.

[Eunuchorn]

And yet his guild is the one organizing it, and coordinating to make sure all the other top 10 guilds are doing it. Its like Lance Armstrong complaining about doping in cycling.

RR had taken losses to other rainbow guilds in war 1/2, but never knew stripping existed.
We never had a chance to change names during battle, or log out in 1 knight back when it was 50pts/kill. Or abuse this/that mechanic. We just won.
Then Untouchables explodes onto the scene in war 3 almost beating RR.
Take one guess which "strategy" Ziploc was using. So as usual, we were the last to find out about stripping & abusing broken game mechanics (Flat Win Bonus should have been implemented 4 wars ago)

Well, I just did it better. I'm not even in the chat to coordinate friendly GM strips, but I assure you, there's plenty if guilds in there Top 250 down, & RR asks friendly Gms not to strip, but not to rotate either. & if I'm not actively scoring points, I'm stripped. Usually it's a mutual strip, my old school nemesis vs their basics.

[Hai2yooo]

you may not recognize me because i dont frequent forums but ive been personally asked to strip before by rr so i dont think its fair to lie to look like there's integrity in your coalition. rr and the coalition has been doin it but im not sure how often anymore. everyone knows its happening it's just up to gree to fix it or not.

[Eunuchorn]

Where did I lie exactly? I never said we don't utilize a stripped GM. Though if it isn't a GM using 3 knights I won't fight it. Personally.

[Doc Sharp]

And yet his guild is the one organizing it, and coordinating to make sure all the other top 10 guilds are doing it. Its like Lance Armstrong complaining about doping in cycling.

You only quoted half the paragraph and as such, half the thought. Mind you I'm not here to defend RR or Eunuchorn. He is more than capable of defending himself. I just found it odd that people were on the "rawrRRsuxBcuzofXYZ" bandwagon when he was clear about wanting a change. I don't even agree with the change he proposed in the thread he linked but regardless of the idea he had to fix it, he called out the problem with the mechanic. Give credit where it's do.

Is it cheating? No. Fact.
Is it right? Regardless of the answer, its opinion, not fact. Refer to my previous post, I do not agree with it personally, but its still not cheating.

I'll say it again, its not up to RR or anyone else to not use a game mechanic to their advantage. Its up to the devs to either remove the mechanic or the incentive to use it to a player's advantage.

[Hai2yooo]

Where did I lie exactly? I never said we don't utilize a stripped GM. Though if it isn't a GM using 3 knights I won't fight it. Personally.

i read it wromg when you said you didnt know it existed. im assuming u meant at the time (war 1/2). apologies

[cafedecoy]

I dont think RR gets enough credit sometimes. I don't think it is fair to assume that the guild is filled with trigger happy bafoons because I do sense that there is a lot of strategy involved to run and maintain the guild and its sister guilds. Rainbow room didn't just happen... someone made it happen and a bunch of people are working pretty hard to keep it running and to make it better. They won the wars and they won fair and square. They worked within the given confines of the rules set forth by gree, and they optimized any loopholes they saw. Some amount of jealousy is typical and reasonable.... but pointing fingers and accusing them of cheating... now, that is uncalled for.

[Eunuchorn]

I dont think RR gets enough credit sometimes. I don't think it is fair to assume that the guild is filled with trigger happy buffoons...a lot of strategy involved to run and maintain the guild and its sister guilds. RR didn't just happen, someone made it happen and many people work pretty hard to keep it running optimally. They won the wars fair and square, within the confines of the rules set forth by gree (or ignored by). Some amount of jealousy is expected, but pointing fingers and accusing them of cheating... now, that is uncalled for.
I <3 Cafe!
When you gonna make an alt on IOS?
I'll make you the most powerful lvl.11 that ever existed.

[cafedecoy]

Lol, you got it wrong. My main acct is ios, alt on android

[Synovia]

. They won the wars and they won fair and square.

No, they didn't. That's the point. The first couple of wars, sure, but they're stripping, and thats cheating.


you may not recognize me because i dont frequent forums but ive been personally asked to strip before by rr so i dont think its fair to lie to look like there's integrity in your coalition. rr and the coalition has been doin it but im not sure how often anymore. everyone knows its happening it's just up to gree to fix it or not.

Same here. I've been personally asked by multiple rainbow coalition GMs to take my armor off.

Eunochorne just makes **** up. They're everything thats wrong with this game.

[template]

So would you like to call all the other guilds cheaters as well? Coz stripping is absolutely prevalent in guild wars

[Synovia]

So would you like to call all the other guilds cheaters as well? Coz stripping is absolutely prevalent in guild wars

From my experience, stripping is only prevalent in the top 25.


And yes, its cheating. It directly goes against what the battles are supposed to be. It's not Guild Friends. It's not "Guilds help each other". It's Guild Wars. It's supposed to be competitive and antagonistic.

Its not supposed to be a handful of guilds sitting at the top giving each other free points so they stay at the top. They're basically a cartel.

[Olgar]

Is it in guild rules? OH OK THEN SHUT UP

[template]

From my experience, stripping is only prevalent in the top 25.


And yes, its cheating. It directly goes against what the battles are supposed to be. It's not Guild Friends. It's not "Guilds help each other". It's Guild Wars. It's supposed to be competitive and antagonistic.

Its not supposed to be a handful of guilds sitting at the top giving each other free points so they stay at the top. They're basically a cartel.

Sorry we are all not playing by your rules. If you can get all the other guilds to stop, pretty sure we would be happy to stop as well!

[Synovia]

Is it in guild rules? OH OK THEN SHUT UP

Is it in the guild rules that we can't cheat? It violates the entire reason behind guild wars.

[Olgar]

Is it in the guild rules that we can't cheat? It violates the entire reason behind guild wars.

It is http://product.gree.net/us/en/terms/
use or distribute cheats, exploits, automation software, bots, hacks, mods or any unauthorized third party software designed to modify any user’s experience with the Service.

now shut it before you try to test me again

[toogoodformyowngood]

Is it in the guild rules that we can't cheat? It violates the entire reason behind guild wars.

lol, Synovia, by definition stripping is not cheating. GREE allows it. If GREE doesnt allow it, then they would have already been banned.

So, yea GREE permits it and it's NOT cheating. You can alert GREE that you want the change, but I'm not sure how they can implement a system to stop the stripping. cuz u can always wear basic armors and there is no problem with that.

[Hildigam]

Isn't all fair in love and war?

[Dianish]

Isn't all fair in love and war?


Not really.

[Eunuchorn]

No, they didn't. That's the point. The first couple of wars, sure, but they're stripping, and thats cheating.
Same here. I've been personally asked by multiple rainbow coalition GMs to take my armor off.
Eunochorne just makes **** up. They're everything thats wrong with this game.

I LoLd. We were the last to find out stripping existed. When we heard touch was asking GMs to strip, merely to overtake us by abusing a broken game mechanic, what should we have done?

I apologize for being on such good terms with so many Top 200 guilds...

[Zyntree]

Yea, atm stripping is simply a part of the game for all top 10, most top 25, and many top 50-100...

To single out the RR here is to be misinformed. To be angry they have so much gems to go crazy on stripping... well maybe that is more reasonable lol. I don't know what that makes them, but unless they somehow have access to free gems, it doesn't make them cheaters.

Whether or not your guild will strip for them is an entirely different topic, but stripping happens everywhere, with all guilds, and I think we would all like to see it go away. That will only happen by GREE tho... because currently it is what wins. And fighting wars is about winning... If making friends helps win wars, why would you not. Stripping its currently the best way to earn points... plain and simple

Doesn't mean i like it

[FreakyFaye]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2010/03/24/Bill-in-Iceland-makes-stripping-illegal/UPI-19411269468866/

Stripping is illegal in Iceland. Stay in school kids!
Lol!!! That's hilarious.. kinda snuck up on me XD

[frostman27]

No MORE STRIPPING .... OK maybe its not exactly cheating but there is a way to solve this first of all they should revised the points system so that armor stats are a factor in how many points you receive so when you attack an opponent wearing armor with stats closer or equal to your own the points are higher than they would be for attacking an opponent with low-med stats making STRIPPING not as effective and players would start looking to beat players equal to themselves to fight making the armors that we all work so hard to obtaine useful and you say gree won't do anything your wrong the no strip movement is growing fast and gree will for sure notice when 100s of gemmers stop buying gems so if they like us spending all these thousands of dollars on there game they will comply already have 6 Gemming guilds in agreeance to stop buying gems till this is fixed we would appreciate it if all those who agree this is wrong to join our movement on both android and iOS platforms for more info contact Frostman27 on line

[Ivor]

Stripped wars make me think about woodpecker. He always gets to the worm, but I am getting a headache even looking at him ;)

[holydinges2]

No MORE STRIPPING .... OK maybe its not exactly cheating but there is a way to solve this first of all they should revised the points system so that armor stats are a factor in how many points you receive so when you attack an opponent wearing armor with stats closer or equal to your own the points are higher than they would be for attacking an opponent with low-med stats making STRIPPING not as effective and players would start looking to beat players equal to themselves to fight making the armors that we all work so hard to obtaine useful and you say gree won't do anything your wrong the no strip movement is growing fast and gree will for sure notice when 100s of gemmers stop buying gems so if they like us spending all these thousands of dollars on there game they will comply already have 6 Gemming guilds in agreeance to stop buying gems till this is fixed we would appreciate it if all those who agree this is wrong to join our movement on both android and iOS platforms for more info contact Frostman27 on line

so then i face a lower ranked guild, usualy easy to farm becouse they wear low fused peics or eb armors. and then my epics are good and i get bad points becouse they have lower armors stats? no thank you. i agree that stripping takes away alot of fun, but that solution isnt the one to fix the problem.

[Ivor]

so then i face a lower ranked guild, usualy easy to farm becouse they wear low fused peics or eb armors. and then my epics are good and i get bad points becouse they have lower armors stats? no thank you. i agree that stripping takes away alot of fun, but that solution isnt the one to fix the problem.

why not? It will make us looking for better matches, which is certainly more interesting than stupidly hitting stripped gm again and again.

You still will have advantage of power, but they will be rewarded for daring stronger opponent. Seems fair to me.

BTW pts for fighting weaker guilds are usually lower even today.

[Ivor]

Other idea: epics and legendaries could have the same coefficient. And lower points will be given only for fighting 1* - 3* armors.

[Reversal]

No MORE STRIPPING .... OK maybe its not exactly cheating but there is a way to solve this first of all they should revised the points system so that armor stats are a factor in how many points you receive so when you attack an opponent wearing armor with stats closer or equal to your own the points are higher than they would be for attacking an opponent with low-med stats making STRIPPING not as effective and players would start looking to beat players equal to themselves to fight making the armors that we all work so hard to obtaine useful and you say gree won't do anything your wrong the no strip movement is growing fast and gree will for sure notice when 100s of gemmers stop buying gems so if they like us spending all these thousands of dollars on there game they will comply already have 6 Gemming guilds in agreeance to stop buying gems till this is fixed we would appreciate it if all those who agree this is wrong to join our movement on both android and iOS platforms for more info contact Frostman27 on line

This Necrobump is totally unnecessary dude.
Also, this forum should have an automated system that locks any thread not replied on for over like 4 weeks.

[holydinges2]

why not? It will make us looking for better matches, which is certainly more interesting than stupidly hitting stripped gm again and again.

You still will have advantage of power, but they will be rewarded for daring stronger opponent. Seems fair to me.

BTW pts for fighting weaker guilds are usually lower even today.

exept that u cant choose who u face, so when struck with bad luck u keep facing lower guild, spend more gems then an other guild that did get good matchups and lose? no ty to losing war based on rng.

i understand that u can monitor the guilds that are around the same rank to try and matchup with them, this is however never a guarantee.

[Ivor]

I didn't mean better guild, I ment better matches inside the guild you got. In all 3 days of the last war TFS/BROS had only one guild where the gm had 2 x 4*. Most of them had 3 epics. The same goes for sentinels. So one wouldn't have a problem to find decent match.

[frostman27]

so then i face a lower ranked guild, usualy easy to farm becouse they wear low fused peics or eb armors. and then my epics are good and i get bad points becouse they have lower armors stats? no thank you. i agree that stripping takes away alot of fun, but that solution isnt the one to fix the problem.
Maybe your right on the stats part but we need to work together and come up with a viable solution that benifts all and makes STRIPPING less worth doing any other viable ideals just find me on line my id is frostman27 and we could have stripped had we chose to but let's face it the brotherhood of steel has a long running rep and we decided better to lose fighting clean and straight up than win STRIPPING we will keep our honor above winning a guild war epic this way

[spanky macdougal]

Stripping sucks! Oh what fun to mindlessly club a weak GM while I bleed money in the form of digital gems. I love the challenge of swapping my armors to find a combination that takes down an opponent.

All that aside, it's not going anywhere. This is the new strategy to maximize points. You want to compete in the top tiers? You will need alliances. That's the new paradigm for this game.

Gree has zero vested interest in ending it. Look at the points being racked up by top guilds now. It all equals more money.
I thought perhaps using a points system based on armor and rank to determine points would be good. However, there would still be stripping. If my guild isn't aiming for top 25, every time we faced a non alliance guild we didn't like, we could strip screwing them out of points. We would still strip but for the opposite effect.
Bottom line? Make friends or enjoy the top 500.

[Ivor]

If my guild isn't aiming for top 25, every time we faced a non alliance guild we didn't like, we could strip screwing them out of points. We would still strip but for the opposite effect.

It's tactical solution. I could live with this ;) But last war, when 90% of guilds we met, wanted to strip, was pure madness.

[spanky macdougal]

It's tactical solution. I could live with this ;) But last war, when 90% of guilds we met, wanted to strip, was pure madness.

Hee hee hee...Works just fine for me too. Screw The Empire! Hoarding all the epic+ armor would put them at a disadvantage for earning points.

[HeadOpener]

Stripping sucks! Oh what fun to mindlessly club a weak GM while I bleed money in the form of digital gems. I love the challenge of swapping my armors to find a combination that takes down an opponent.

All that aside, it's not going anywhere. This is the new strategy to maximize points. You want to compete in the top tiers? You will need alliances. That's the new paradigm for this game.

Gree has zero vested interest in ending it. Look at the points being racked up by top guilds now. It all equals more money.
I thought perhaps using a points system based on armor and rank to determine points would be good. However, there would still be stripping. If my guild isn't aiming for top 25, every time we faced a non alliance guild we didn't like, we could strip screwing them out of points. We would still strip but for the opposite effect.
Bottom line? Make friends or enjoy the top 500.


Whilst I agree with most of your post you can make top 150 without stripping so your top 500 comment is a bit off the mark. Past that however might be a challenge as more and more sign up to alliances and agreements.

[Big Lo]

stripping makes gree money. who cares if its cheating or not its part of the game get over it or get a new game

[dangdp7]

Its still cheating ban all of the top ten that do it i complained to gree hope you get banned

[busteroaf]

Its still cheating ban all of the top ten that do it i complained to gree hope you get banned

Derp derp, still confused about stripping being cheating? I know this is hard to comprehend with your head up your ass, but it has been going on since War 2 on iOS. If it hasn't been dealt with yet, no one will ever be banned for stripping. Maybe I'll make some funny memes like Sol likes to do that display "not cheating!"

Not cheating. Not cheating. Not Cheating. NoT cHeAtInG. NOT cheating. NOT CHEATING.

Maybe in bold now. Not cheating.
All uppercase bold? NOT CHEATING
Italics? Not cheating.
What about different colors? Not cheating.

Top three Spanishdict.com translations? No engaño. No hacer trampas. No trampa.

Get the idea yet?

Final time. Not cheating.

[Dianish]

Sounds like a poolparty to me... Let's have some fun!

[Yongsan]

certainly takes a lot of the fun out of the game, but when there are no rules you can't really say anything is cheating. There are rules against fixing sports matches, rules against manipulating markets, etc. There are no GW rules to my knowledge. You get matched with a guild and whatever happens happens. There is no standard to abide by, and therefore nothing you do can be considered cheating unfortunately. It is what it is; just part of the system in place.

[Guido32]

No rules saying you can't do it

[busteroaf]

No rules saying you can't do it

You need a few more posts before you can create your own thread. Keep spamming random posts dude.

[smujica93]

No MORE STRIPPING .... OK maybe its not exactly cheating but there is a way to solve this first of all they should revised the points system so that armor stats are a factor in how many points you receive so when you attack an opponent wearing armor with stats closer or equal to your own the points are higher than they would be for attacking an opponent with low-med stats making STRIPPING not as effective and players would start looking to beat players equal to themselves to fight making the armors that we all work so hard to obtaine useful and you say gree won't do anything your wrong the no strip movement is growing fast and gree will for sure notice when 100s of gemmers stop buying gems so if they like us spending all these thousands of dollars on there game they will comply already have 6 Gemming guilds in agreeance to stop buying gems till this is fixed we would appreciate it if all those who agree this is wrong to join our movement on both android and iOS platforms for more info contact Frostman27 on line

1. Lol. This will never happen.

2. How about some punctuation? You must be out of breath.

[MK Dragon Master]

I understand why they strip now. If you want to make top 10 or higher you are going to have to do it. if you want to get rank 25 or higher you will need a big pocket book.

[NattyAnne]

What is stripping exactly? I note people on this thread saying that "stripping" isn't cheating..it's just in bad taste and degrading to the games overall integrity. That it's not going to stop as long as it's a money maker. It is up to the players to have integrity.

I think I got the idea but then this thread talks about hitting one opposing guild member multiple times and how that is bad.

As a newbie and lower ranking member in my guild, sometimes I am lucky to find one person in other guild I can take in a war. So, I blast all four energy at that person. I like to try out different oops when my guild appears to have things in hand without my measly self. But, when my guild is counting on me getting something better than a total of 40 pts for 4 energy, I need to hack at the one little guy I can find. Is this bad form?

I'm a grandmother. I got gems to feed the Gree machine aplenty. BUT...I learned old school RPG etiquette; before consoles were invented. Honor is above all else in my play book. Whatever the heck is "stripping", as long as an opponent may feel I've been unfair...I want no part of it. Will someone turn on my lightbulb so I don't inadvertently do this?

[holydinges2]

What is stripping exactly? I note people on this thread saying that "stripping" isn't cheating..it's just in bad taste and degrading to the games overall integrity. That it's not going to stop as long as it's a money maker. It is up to the players to have integrity.

I think I got the idea but then this thread talks about hitting one opposing guild member multiple times and how that is bad.

As a newbie and lower ranking member in my guild, sometimes I am lucky to find one person in other guild I can take in a war. So, I blast all four energy at that person. I like to try out different oops when my guild appears to have things in hand without my measly self. But, when my guild is counting on me getting something better than a total of 40 pts for 4 energy, I need to hack at the one little guy I can find. Is this bad form?

I'm a grandmother. I got gems to feed the Gree machine aplenty. BUT...I learned old school RPG etiquette; before consoles were invented. Honor is above all else in my play book. Whatever the heck is "stripping", as long as an opponent may feel I've been unfair...I want no part of it. Will someone turn on my lightbulb so I don't inadvertently do this?

stripping is where the guild master(or a different memeber) of your opponent takes of his gear so the other guild can 1 shot him for quick and easy points. this way u can spend more gems in a shorter time limit.

finding and attacking a guy u can beat is what the people here refer to as "fair" play. since this way u need to scout and find targets u or other members can beat to score and not get alot of losses.

stripping removes this aspect in wars, in general once a guild gets a matchup with some1 they have a strip agreement with no1 uses an attack until the strip is worked out and then every1 goes and scores free points without any effort or strategy being used.

[busteroaf]

What is stripping exactly? ...


stripping is where...

Also note, when stripping is in effect, there is no need to scout, and you're wins are all but guaranteed. So no wasted energy, or gems. The only issue you may encounter is getting the sentinel down, but after that, all attacks are focused on one person for maximum point gain.

Please note, it is a misconception that stripping means more money spent. The only way more money is spent is if the user decides to spend more, and that happens regardless of if you have strip battles or not. Many people still have spending caps, or an amount of gems they are comfortable spending. Some players can blow through their "I'm comfortable spending 1600 gems" in a few battles thanks to stripping. After that, you're stuck either using free energy, or going against your comfort level and spending more. That is the only way there is more money spent on wars.

Granted, many guilds have upped their minimum gem requirements and such, to ensure that if needed, they have enough gems to battle to the end... but for the average user, strip battles just lets you guarantee a win (over an individual player, not necessarily a guild) using their free energy, so they don't have to use gems, or waste time and energy scouting.

[NattyAnne]

Thanks holydinges2 for your response. I never contemplated that this system of team alliance winning was in place. It's important to know it exists so I can determine where I stand and then ensure that the guld I associate with has views that align with my own. Since my guild has experienced players, I am sure they are aware of it. I will have to consult with them ASAP. So again...thanks for opening my eyes to this.

It's funny because I did come across an HC in a battle last weekend that was all way high level players but this one guy had one man with crap armour. I gemmed the heck outta that guy. I assumed the guy had started a change man/armour process after his last war and got interrupted in the process; accidentally leaving himself and guild wide open for slaughter when I came along. I actually felt rather guilty for taking huge advantage of this guys error. Like it wasn't honorable or "fair". Since I am the one that pointed my GM and guild mates to this open treasure guy and I have never been aware of my guild coordinating a hold on strikes while attempting engage in stripping...I am sure there was no negotiated strip.

I am still unclear about how this would actually work since you can't be sure to get paired with a guild to be able to each get a turn at the strip down. Since you can't transfer and share winnings, I wonder that one guild could always talk another into stripping. And,that the stripped guild could be left only getting "hosed" with no luck at re-pairing with guilds to get turn at hosing(?). (Does that make sense? If so, getting answers to that quandary could go a long way to brighten this dim bulb.). :confused: So, obviously I am still not knowledgable enough to carry a public banner in either support or protest of this practice.

But, personally, I now assume the opponent I gemmed and hacked to smithereens actually DID get caught with pants still down after a recent intentional stripping battle. And, I no longer feel a shred of guilt. In fact, I think he got exactly what he deserved.

PS: I do have to farm around for a viable opponent. Once found, I have to strike. The suggestion in some posts that maybe we should only be able to hit that opponent again after all others have been challenged would leave me with almost nothing to do in our wars. I'm weak. But when they hack away at me because I'm easy, it only reinforces my desire to get stronger. Just my early days humble perspective.

[obviously]

Mutual strip, with a 'lose' threshold. I.e., we are guild x you are guild y. We both offer an hc stripped, you agree to lose since you aren't going top 10, you'll back off at 175k.

I agree it's what the game has come to....but I miss scouting and that feeling you get nuking a well geared gm. When I beatup on your gm, baby kittens get more milk

[busteroaf]

I am still unclear about how this would actually work since you can't be sure to get paired with a guild to be able to each get a turn at the strip down. Since you can't transfer and share winnings, I wonder that one guild could always talk another into stripping. And,that the stripped guild could be left only getting "hosed" with no luck at re-pairing with guilds to get turn at hosing(?). (Does that make sense? If so, getting answers to that quandary could go a long way to brighten this dim bulb.). :confused: So, obviously I am still not knowledgable enough to carry a public banner in either support or protest of this practice.

It takes some effort and timing, but you can, unless they've totally changed the match-making system, with pretty good results, determine your own opponents. Everyone declares at a pre-determined time, and you're bound to get one of a couple guilds. If they are friendly, keep on stripping away. Its not exact, but within a few attempts, you'll get your intended target.


PS: I do have to farm around for a viable opponent. Once found, I have to strike. The suggestion in some posts that maybe we should only be able to hit that opponent again after all others have been challenged would leave me with almost nothing to do in our wars. I'm weak. But when they hack away at me because I'm easy, it only reinforces my desire to get stronger. Just my early days humble perspective.

As far as other people's "non-stripping" ideals... it sounds like you hit the jackpot. You likely found a stripped opponent, and due to your situation (kill who I can) took advantage of it. There is no harm in it. You've also described the thinking of many others. You're weak, you farm who you can. Or, like stronger opponents, you might be that weaker target they target. Repeatedly killing the same person over and over is all but the exact same as stripping, although stripping is pre-determined, or agreed upon. By being able to farm inactive/weak or the same person over and over, how is that any different than stripping? I've heard people talk about how they don't let/want their guilds take advantage of even inadvertent stripping. Why not? It makes no sense. The only difference is that your battle choices make you farm for someone able to be beaten, and your battles take a few seconds longer than the person who has a strip battle. Unless you are tagging different people, you are farming the same person, over and over, repeatedly, and in an un-fun manner. Isn't that what one of the complaints about stripping is? It makes it un-fun because you're just hitting the same buttons over and over between fights. You start to not think about it. Unless you're farming an active armor swapping GM, and that is the only person you're attacking, you're doing the exact same thing as the person fighting a strip battle. You can't argue otherwise.

You feel that it is wrong and cheapens the game, but at this point, people are aware of a way to earn points, very quickly, and very few that are fighting for the top positions aren't aware of this "feature" in the game. No one is getting a competitive advantage. As we've seen, when a guild wants to use a few strip battles to get back in it, they can, and will. And there are guilds who do it better than the next guy, so they'll win.

That is the name of the game for war. Doing it better than the next guy, and winning.

[Kangaroeland]

Stripping is in fact not cheating. Thanks buster. /thread

[tdunks]

No matter what you do in any game, there will always be people that will exploit the system you just have to get over it. Gree supports and its really truly not against the rules.

[King juju]

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's cheating.