Reward Changes for upcoming war

[Ryikk]

So why did Gree drop the +4 Building Upgrades yet they keep the most worthless unit we have ever seen (+quest gold payout). Who the hell makes these decisions....

[Ratma2001]

So why did Gree drop the +4 Building Upgrades yet they keep the most worthless unit we have ever seen (+quest gold payout). Who the hell makes these decisions....

It's still states for the Top 500 unit prize +4 building upgrade

[War Eagle]

Aw man.. just saw that too! I was looking forward to the extra upgrades! Too bad.

[War Eagle]

It's still states for the Top 500 unit prize +4 building upgrade

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[Raistlin (ESq)]

That is such BS! Won't affect me, but some members of my Guild were really looking forward to that!! :mad:

[Ryikk]

They should drop that worthless quest gold unit and bring back building upgrades. Who the hell wants a quest gold modifier. It's about as useful as the scratch off units. Gree PLEASE fix that moronic decision.

[Rocco69]

What a horrible change. Bummer

[Chups Crow]

Aw no more building upgrades THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[candii]

it is just poor customer relations to post rewards publicly and then change them without explanation.

[Voxker]

i really dont need more quest gold... i make enough from raiding and my buildings, but i do want extra upgrades available.

[Aronius]

Thanks for the change Gree.... Terrible quests... I'm sure a stronger raid boss is coming... nothing to be thankful for, yay.

[Spazzer]

Nice change Gree! Lame. They really don't care about what people want.

[Sandhawk]

Thanks for the change Gree.... Terrible quests... I'm sure a stronger raid boss is coming... nothing to be thankful for, yay.

What are you talking about?!?! Those myconids sure are thankful. They are thankful for... uh, they are thankful forrrr...
Aw, screw it...

[Valid or]

A good achievable goal, gone. :(

[l3lade2]

But it wasn't even +4 Building Upgrades as you've said, it was Maximum 4 Building Upgrades, which many people already have, in which case it was worthless to a great number of people.

[Quisp]

Gree, why would you do this? All the smaller guilds were looking forward to the upgrade unit. Please put it back. I don't remember anyone asking to take it out so what was the motivation? Unbelievable customer service

[Tojo]

What is maximum 4 building upgrades?
I have the award 2 upgrades at once but
Haven't heard of max 4. Txs

[ListerOfSmeg]

To all the top guilds, no big deal. they have this already. but for those guild that never get a chance of a good reward, this just downright sucks. Gree would have had a battle at the top and a battle at the middle, even squeezing gems out of those guilds that refuse to turn over mountains of gems. Finally the mid tier gets chucked a bone, and they shove it sideways in our gobs. Another poor display from gree.dy

[almarro1]

It is clear Gree does not pay attention to the forum anymore. The most effective way to show our disagreement to such decission is to send complaint tickets.

[Zepson]

Wars are becoming less and less interesting. No difference in prizes when you're outside top 100. Why still spend extra to get in the top 150, 200, 300 etc... You missed out on a serious amount of gems here GREE by removing that +4 building upgrade unit.

[Totalwar]

Please put it back Gree.

[KenjoMegi1]

My guild was looking forward to the +4 building upgrades cause we have low level member that are somewhat new to the game. It would be great to let them get something like this before to long. My guild has member complaining to me, come on Gree if you take something valuable away from us you have to give something equal in return....... frustrated.....
-Kenjo Megi
-Scions of Abaddon-

[Dredd JAG]

I'm dissapointed about the +4 building upgrades also, it would have really helped my Mini. But does anybody think that Gree removed it because the boost was too buggy? The wording was a bit odd, and I know there was debate whether it meant you could boost 4 buildings max concurrently, or if it would allow you to boost a building to level 14.

Either way, this was the first modifier that had that bonus. Maybe Gree couldn't get it to work so they decided to remove it.

I mean, there are enough bugs with stuff that we have seen before, why introduce new ones?

[Crow-Magnum]

Quest gold payout.....hahaha

So I'll get 109 gold instead of 100 gold. hooray!

*groan*




I too was looking forward to the +4 building upgrade.


But what I *really* wanted to see was an energy regen opportunity for the lower ranked guilds.

[The red Baron]

May be some who spend a lot of gems in the past to get +1 bld upgrade units were unhappy about this unit, too easy to get. And if heavy gem users blame, GREE will listen to them.

[Rastlin]

it is just poor customer relations to post rewards publicly and then change them without explanation.
It is called bait and switch, and is illegal in most countries!

[Rastlin]

But what I *really* wanted to see was an energy regen opportunity for the lower ranked guilds.
Yes I agree. The lower guilds have no idea how much regen the higher guilds have, and how many "free" hits they get in a battle per hour. It is the biggest class gap in KA between players, and most think it is stats because that is the only thing they can see... Stat gap is nothing compared to the gap in regen times for hits. I wonder how many guilds/players know that the Top 10 actually get 6 to 10 free hits an hour depending on what guild they are in & how long they have been in that guild?

[Ratma2001]

Yes I agree. The lower guilds have no idea how much regen the higher guilds have, and how many "free" hits they get in a battle per hour. It is the biggest class gap in KA between players, and most think it is stats because that is the only thing they can see... Stat gap is nothing compared to the gap in regen times for hits. I wonder how many guilds/players know that the Top 10 actually get 6 to 10 free hits an hour depending on what guild they are in & how long they have been in that guild?

Oh oh pick me....pick me...I know !
Yes they do and I struggle with my 6 hits and my LLP is bottom feeder with 4 and at a shake maybe 5
Hence they score more points.....it's all about fairness

[It's all a dream]

Yes I agree. The lower guilds have no idea how much regen the higher guilds have, and how many "free" hits they get in a battle per hour. It is the biggest class gap in KA between players, and most think it is stats because that is the only thing they can see... Stat gap is nothing compared to the gap in regen times for hits. I wonder how many guilds/players know that the Top 10 actually get 6 to 10 free hits an hour depending on what guild they are in & how long they have been in that guild?

i think crow-magnum means health regen en not energy regen, as is your assumption as well Rastlin.

some get more hits per hour btw ;)

in any case the gap will remain. war will give you all prizes below your tier. maybe a low indiviual prize with a health regen would help.

[Rocco69]

disappointed with dropping building upgrades; yet IPH is not a good indicator of effort/capability anyway.
Id like to see a skill points boost for some level in war - or better yet (for me) win chance to reset skill points

[Rastlin]

disappointed with dropping building upgrades; yet IPH is not a good indicator of effort/capability anyway.
Id like to see a skill points boost for some level in war - or better yet (for me) win chance to reset skill points
There have been skill points units... I have a +100 attack skill point unit (Behemoth Wyvern)... You want it? It is worthless....

[dookie]

yeh cmon Greeeeeeeeeeeee put the kool prize back up......it aint going to be long before everyone has lvl10 everything anyways

[KenjoMegi1]

i wonder...... if gree did a big wipe and started over fresh how many people would keep at it? Since people have maxed all buildings out and have higher defense than can show on the screen, isn't it just a matter of time?
-Kenjo Megi
-Scions of Abaddon-

[MidnightExpress]

The End is Near....

[Rocco69]

I meant skill points you can choose how to apply

[E-I]

I am holding out for the "Upgrade 17 buildings at one time" bonus.

Seriously though, I think Gree keeps dangling these carrots out there to get people who aren't in the top 25 guilds to start buying gems. I can't imagine that it is working though. For example, these raid boss events are a joke. If you are not in a top guild, where is the incentive to buy gems? You know you will never finish.

[Person]

I am holding out for the "Upgrade 17 buildings at one time" bonus.

Seriously though, I think Gree keeps dangling these carrots out there to get people who aren't in the top 25 guilds to start buying gems. I can't imagine that it is working though. For example, these raid boss events are a joke. If you are not in a top guild, where is the incentive to buy gems? You know you will never finish.

im fine with the raidbosses the way they are, IF their intent would also shine down to the other LTQs. The intent is to suck FUN and RK and probably SB's cash, so the rest of us wont have to pay. Sadly all events are looking that way now, Epic Bosses just as much as Raidbosses, box events and wars.

Balance Gree, some money sucking events are fine, but changing ALL events in to 300$ investments at least is insane.

[[JAG] Ryan]

im fine with the raidbosses the way they are, IF their intent would also shine down to the other LTQs. The intent is to suck FUN and RK and probably SB's cash, so the rest of us wont have to pay. Sadly all events are looking that way now, Epic Bosses just as much as Raidbosses, box events and wars.

Balance Gree, some money sucking events are fine, but changing ALL events in to 300$ investments at least is insane.

I agree and disagree, lol.

The current Raid Boss doesnt really suck T3 (or at least not T2, lol) as they have much more regen Boost and much higher stats compared to T10 or others. I think FUN and RK only need around 1 mountain each for the current RB. SB maybe 2 and the rest of T 10 3-6, T 25 6-10 and T50 and beyond 10+.

The stats and regen disparity between T3 and the rest has become that high, that if Gree would reduce the Boss HP back to RB 1-3, T3 could do it for free and T10 for almost free.

However im confident, that enough T25-T100 guilds are out there who would go for the RB if it was at similar strength like before RB 4, which in total should also equal up to much more gems used for Gree.

By keeping the RB strength (at least on heroic part) that high, the disparity only gets bigger and bigger as i don't see any or at least not many other guilds going for the finish here.

In relation to the rest im totally with you, lol. Where a certain amount of gems were needed on specific events it is now on each and single one and the readiness to spend is getting smaller and smaller as the huge stats inflation shows clearly that you cant keep up unless you are not ready to keep the spending pace. And this seems for many players not reasonable by counting all bugs and last but not least the time investment needed.

Especially the required time investment without the ability to keep up by simple spendings is what makes many people think about future spendings and reduces their readiness to continue with it.

As i really like this game and especially the entire social part around it, i really hope Gree is able to enter this challenge and finds a proper solution for this problem. Otherwise im afraid more and more people will retire or at least semi-retire which will take a big part form the social component away and unavoidable lead to a dead end for at least many "old" players.

[Person]

Ryan;1086687']I agree and disagree, lol.

The current Raid Boss doesnt really suck T3 (or at least not T2, lol) as they have much more regen Boost and much higher stats compared to T10 or others. I think FUN and RK only need around 1 mountain each for the current RB. SB maybe 2 and the rest of T 10 3-6, T 25 6-10 and T50 and beyond 10+.

The stats and regen disparity between T3 and the rest has become that high, that if Gree would reduce the Boss HP back to RB 1-3, T3 could do it for free and T10 for almost free.

However im confident, that enough T25-T100 guilds are out there who would go for the RB if it was at similar strength like before RB 4, which in total should also equal up to much more gems used for Gree.

By keeping the RB strength (at least on heroic part) that high, the disparity only gets bigger and bigger as i don't see any or at least not many other guilds going for the finish here.

In relation to the rest im totally with you, lol. Where a certain amount of gems were needed on specific events it is now on each and single one and the readiness to spend is getting smaller and smaller as the huge stats inflation shows clearly that you cant keep up unless you are not ready to keep the spending pace. And this seems for many players not reasonable by counting all bugs and last but not least the time investment needed.

Especially the required time investment without the ability to keep up by simple spendings is what makes many people think about future spendings and reduces their readiness to continue with it.

well then i'll change my statement a bit, Raidbosses are events aimed at FUN RK and maybe SB, participating beyond normal is useless for most of the top 10 and below, and even trying is hard for top 500 and below guilds.

[Ryikk]

Incorrect it said +4 to max building upgrades

[Ryikk]

There have been skill points units... I have a +100 attack skill point unit (Behemoth Wyvern)... You want it? It is worthless....

It's not worthless. I have it and I win battles against people in daily raiding that are 2-3 MIL above me now

[Dredd JAG]

well then i'll change my statement a bit, Raidbosses are events aimed at FUN RK and maybe SB, participating beyond normal is useless for most of the top 10 and below, and even trying is hard for top 500 and below guilds.

I think the last RB is when the 'chasing the whale' article went around the forum, basically saying cater to the top spenders. but there are always at least 1250 guilds participating. How much are the T3 really spending that it makes sense to cater to them exclusively? Especially since, as it has been pointed out, they have to spend less per boss than the other guilds due to strength and regen times.

Obviously Gree's goal is to make money. But I just can't get the finances straight in my head to show that ensuring spending by 3-4 guilds is more money then spending by 100-150 guilds. Can FUN and RK really being spending that much? Plus, I would assume most are in the bonus program, so that further cuts the dollars flowing into Gree.

Of course, I also think that good customer service is the way to keep players around, so what the hell do I know...

[Skyraiders]

It's not worthless. I have it and I win battles against people in daily raiding that are 2-3 MIL above me now

for the record....it is worthless......and you have always been able to RAID someone with a higher def than you

[Rastlin]

It's not worthless. I have it and I win battles against people in daily raiding that are 2-3 MIL above me now
That has nothing to do with the unit. I could do that before getting it. Everyone in the game can raid much higher that them in stats... It has been complained about many times on the forum. Also if it works why do I still lose to people with over a million stats lower than me in the wars?

[JPNy]

I think the last RB is when the 'chasing the whale' article went around the forum, basically saying cater to the top spenders. but there are always at least 1250 guilds participating. How much are the T3 really spending that it makes sense to cater to them exclusively? Especially since, as it has been pointed out, they have to spend less per boss than the other guilds due to strength and regen times.

Obviously Gree's goal is to make money. But I just can't get the finances straight in my head to show that ensuring spending by 3-4 guilds is more money then spending by 100-150 guilds. Can FUN and RK really being spending that much? Plus, I would assume most are in the bonus program, so that further cuts the dollars flowing into Gree.

Of course, I also think that good customer service is the way to keep players around, so what the hell do I know...

You are right and RB is the perfect exemple of an event where top 2 guilds are spending much less than all others for same result. Of course they always push to reach end but even bosses L100 are not a challenge for them. With health regen bonuses they can all hit at least 2-3 times in 15 min and with their hitting strength, let's say 30m FA on average for FUN (Alleran told he had 6.5m gold attack against Epic boss = 32.5 FA at this time), they can go ahead in the event without gemming and just need to make sure they are enough fighting when bosses come to levels 90 and more.
Just imagine "potentially" 60 members hitting 30m : once it is 1.8b damages dealt and twice 3.6b.
So yes out of RK and FUN it will cost a lot.
That said, I am not sure our top players still enjoy playing a game like this ... The true challenge is to find motivation and not get bored .

[Disaster116]

Remove guild hopping. Then you can modify the stats much lower of raid boss. Part of the reason why it's tough is gree. However we made to tough too by guild hopping. Guild hopping has lead to sharing info and loss of guild individuality. The game was fun before that.


You are right and RB is the perfect exemple of an event where top 2 guilds are spending much less than all others for same result. Of course they always push to reach end but even bosses L100 are not a challenge for them. With health regen bonuses they can all hit at least 2-3 times in 15 min and with their hitting strength, let's say 30m FA on average for FUN (Alleran told he had 6.5m gold attack against Epic boss = 32.5 FA at this time), they can go ahead in the event without gemming and just need to make sure they are enough fighting when bosses come to levels 90 and more.
Just imagine "potentially" 60 members hitting 30m : once it is 1.8b damages dealt and twice 3.6b.
So yes out of RK and FUN it will cost a lot.
That said, I am not sure our top players still enjoy playing a game like this ... The true challenge is to find motivation and not get bored .

[SmileyPryce]

Remove guild hopping. Then you can modify the stats much lower of raid boss. Part of the reason why it's tough is gree. However we made to tough too by guild hopping. Guild hopping has lead to sharing info and loss of guild individuality. The game was fun before that.

I respectfully disagree. Through guild networking I have gone from knowing only the members of my own guild to knowing and chatting with hundreds of people across a broad swath of guilds. Part of the fun of this game is the people who play it and sharing a goal outside of your guild has increased the breadth of that pool.

[_Mas_]

So why did Gree drop the +4 Building Upgrades yet they keep the most worthless unit we have ever seen (+quest gold payout). Who the hell makes these decisions....

Ur right. The most worthless prizes are still there yet the useful ones are dropped :(

[Disaster116]

I like having gotten to know a lot of people too. The problem is the work gree has made us do in consequence to that lol. There is a pandemic now of people retiring and burning out in the game due to overkill of lengthy quests and time that has to be spent on the game. Now that we know all the new people. Maybe we can lock guild hopping? It's a reason why big guilds have more and more sister guilds too. It removes individuality.


I respectfully disagree. Through guild networking I have gone from knowing only the members of my own guild to knowing and chatting with hundreds of people across a broad swath of guilds. Part of the fun of this game is the people who play it and sharing a goal outside of your guild has increased the breadth of that pool.

[Dredd JAG]

I like having gotten to know a lot of people too. The problem is the work gree has made us do in consequence to that lol. There is a pandemic now of people retiring and burning out in the game due to overkill of lengthy quests and time that has to be spent on the game. Now that we know all the new people. Maybe we can lock guild hopping? It's a reason why big guilds have more and more sister guilds too. It removes individuality.

Why does it remove individuality? My guild family is 7 guilds. We help each other, chat, share info, etc.. But each guild has it's own personality and goals. At what point were there only single guilds with no info sharing? and was the game really more fun for those two weeks or whatever?

I do see the point that some smaller guilds may struggle by themselves, but honestly, and I know this sounds ****ish, it's a game. Not everyone should be the exact same. If you're struggling, post for mergers, ask for help, etc.. That's how you make connections. By far the best part of KA is the social aspect. Anything that limits that is going to kill KA much faster than 50x lvl100 RBs, 15 minutes each. (exaggeration GREE, please note I'm not actually suggesting this)

[Disaster116]

I love the social aspect and you guys have one of the best if othe best family guild out there. Every quest is sooo time consuming now. My guild is doing great they finished the limited quest normal yesterday. Cheap plug in: Hinters real, lol. Maybe they should allow every guild to be able to link with one or two other guilds for every event except war to make it easier. I mean you gotta agree guild hopping is a pain in the ass when your trying to juggle work, family and children. I know gree has done their share of mistakes I just think we should help to come up with a solution to fix things. If possible a guild link would work and remove a lot of the painful exhausting time for officers who have to accept people in the guild all day and use more time to strategize. Do you agree?

As well I agree not everyone should be able to finish quests. However I also feel bad for the people who have to spend hundreds of dollars to do so. On another note what do you think of gree maybe implementing an option to do a reset of talent attributes to fix their points for where you put hero strength , attack and defence? They could charge 500 gems for it to be done a maximu of 3 times
Why does it remove individuality? My guild family is 7 guilds. We help each other, chat, share info, etc.. But each guild has it's own personality and goals. At what point were there only single guilds with no info sharing? and was the game really more fun for those two weeks or whatever?

I do see the point that some smaller guilds may struggle by themselves, but honestly, and I know this sounds ****ish, it's a game. Not everyone should be the exact same. If you're struggling, post for mergers, ask for help, etc.. That's how you make connections. By far the best part of KA is the social aspect. Anything that limits that is going to kill KA much faster than 50x lvl100 RBs, 15 minutes each. (exaggeration GREE, please note I'm not actually suggesting this)

[Dredd JAG]

I love the social aspect and you guys have one of the best if othe best family guild out there. Every quest is sooo time consuming now. My guild is doing great they finished the limited quest normal yesterday. Cheap plug in: Hinters real, lol. Maybe they should allow every guild to be able to link with one or two other guilds for every event except war to make it easier. I mean you gotta agree guild hopping is a pain in the ass when your trying to juggle work, family and children. I know gree has done their share of mistakes I just think we should help to come up with a solution to fix things. If possible a guild link would work and remove a lot of the painful exhausting time for officers who have to accept people in the guild all day and use more time to strategize. Do you agree?

As well I agree not everyone should be able to finish quests. However I also feel bad for the people who have to spend hundreds of dollars to do so. On another note what do you think of gree maybe implementing an option to do a reset of talent attributes to fix their points for where you put hero strength , attack and defence? They could charge 500 gems for it to be done a maximu of 3 times

Linking guilds would be great, but honestly I thought of the complexity of programming that and decided I would rather have guild hopping then a very buggy linking feature. It does get a to be time consuming, but I guild hopping and helping out other guilds is my favorite thing about this game.

I think everyone would like the chance to realign their talent attributes. I remember Gree posting something about this a while ago (maybe in the FAQ?) and that they hoped to add that feature. Why limit it to 3 times? charge 25 gems a realignment, and let people do it as many times as they want. You could move all points to Hero strength for ltqs then move it all to attack or defense for war. You know, if the points were actually proven to do something...

[Disaster116]

My plug in realm was Hunters Realm lol
Linking guilds would be great, but honestly I thought of the complexity of programming that and decided I would rather have guild hopping then a very buggy linking feature. It does get a to be time consuming, but I guild hopping and helping out other guilds is my favorite thing about this game.

I think everyone would like the chance to realign their talent attributes. I remember Gree posting something about this a while ago (maybe in the FAQ?) and that they hoped to add that feature. Why limit it to 3 times? charge 25 gems a realignment, and let people do it as many times as they want. You could move all points to Hero strength for ltqs then move it all to attack or defense for war. You know, if the points were actually proven to do something...

[Rastlin]

I respectfully disagree. Through guild networking I have gone from knowing only the members of my own guild to knowing and chatting with hundreds of people across a broad swath of guilds. Part of the fun of this game is the people who play it and sharing a goal outside of your guild has increased the breadth of that pool.
I agree! I have made so many new friends from guild hoping. I have also learned much more about a lot of guilds, and have a much larger respect for them all. :D

[Krayt]

I agree! I have made so many new friends from guild hoping. I have also learned much more about a lot of guilds, and have a much larger respect for them all. :D

Guild hopping isn't the problem, it's one of the only things helping to keep players in the game. I am not an old time player but Gree has done two major things since I started that are chasing players away 1) constantly makes things harder and harder to force people to pay money to receive top rewards 2) made events constantly running back to back with no break time, so that if you break for a couple of days you miss something or won't be able to complete something.

I understand their purpose is to make money but the more they try and make a challenge for the top three, the more they chase away everyone else.

Here's a suggestion that will try to bring some balance but I think a lot will hate. Take those prizes for the guilds and pretty much flip them. Give the top 1250 guilds a top prize, that way all those players get stronger and those not in the top 1250 really a reason to shoot for something. Then slowly make the prizes less and less powerful. All the way to top 1, because every guild would still love to say they won plus there can still be some perk that they get, it's just not a huge game changing prize. At the same time Gree could up the individual prizes if they wish that way giving each individual person something to shoot for...

[Jomama1]

I wanted that building upgrade!

[Quisp]

Gree are you listening?
Please put it back

[Nissen]

You guys are such a cock tease , saying we get a great reward and Then jank it away, thad is the Low of Low .

[Hugnut17]

I think I know why they did this. "Hey Paul, lets add some awesome upgrade to top 10, Stat Inflation!" "Nice job Rick!" *After they finally check 2 weeks later "Woops, we put it in top 500, let's give them an equally cool upgrade... Quest Gold Payout!"