Unfair Gaming Practices

[Alleran]

Dear Gree,

Are you aware that the boss event difficulty nearly doubled between the last epic boss event and this one? In the last epic boss event, the level 100 boss had approximately 700 million health. In the current epic boss event, the level 100 boss has approximately 1.3 billion health!

This completely negates any advantage we might have gained in the interim period between events from attack stat increases and epic boss damage modifiers. And then some.

What incentive is there to increase our stats and earn bonuses, when you inflate event difficulty at such a rapid pace? How about you slow down a little bit and let the players catch up?

In addition to being unfair and exceptionally selfish on Gree's part, these types of events are already out of reach for free to moderate gem players. The current pace at which you are inflating event difficulty will drive away heavy gem spenders as well.

As I have said many times in previous posts, you need to increase event difficulty at a rate where your AVERAGE player can keep up by playing an AVERAGE amount of time and spending an AVERAGE amount of gems. Your events are currently scaling at a rate where not even your top spenders can keep up.

I suggest you take my advice and pass this feedback along to development. I love this game and am trying to help you stop destroying it.

[Alleran]

And yes, I am in the same boss tier as last time.

[BBB Rebels]

hi Alleran, in addition to your post the inclusion of the individual prizes for the war event was crazy it has no place in a team based event if you wish to run individual events fine do so in a separate pvp tournament as you do in Modern War.

You (gree) are slowly sucking the fun out of this game as you push further and further for more and more money from gamers.

sorry for jumping on your post mate but felt it had to be said.

Nitro
Best of a Bad Bunch

[Alleran]

Please don't hijack my posts.

The individual guild war prizes are not so bad. They have relatively little impact on stats, as they are not cumulative.

No need to respond to this. Thanks.

[StrictNine]

He was making a point he thought valid, not high jacking your post. I do agree on the inflated stats. I'm sure the next raid boss will be higher than the last one.

[Nudist]

He was making a point he thought valid, not high jacking your post. I do agree on the inflated stats. I'm sure the next raid boss will be higher than the last one.

As long as people continue to beat the quests (regardless of which one) they will continue to raise in difficultly.

[AllFather Odin]

As long as people continue to beat the quests (regardless of which one) they will continue to raise in difficultly.

Agreed. It should be an effort from all of us to not gem one event (doesn't matter what it is) just to show how ridiculous this game has turned out to be. Maybe that would institute changes...

[Alleran]

He was making a point he thought valid, not high jacking your post. I do agree on the inflated stats. I'm sure the next raid boss will be higher than the last one.

His point had absolutely nothing to do with my original post. That is the precise definition of hijacking a thread. And it is "hijacking," not "high jacking," you clown.

I was polite to the guy, but thanks for rushing to his defense anyway. Glad to know the forum police are ever-vigilant!

Also, my original post is not about inflated stats. It is about inflated boss difficulty. In this game, "stats" refers to player attack and defense scores.

Think twice about keeping your foolish mouth shut before you go making a donkey of yourself again.

[Dragon Buster]

His point had absolutely nothing to do with my original post. That is the precise definition of hijacking a thread. And it is "hijacking," not "high jacking," you clown.

I was polite to the guy, but thanks for rushing to his defense anyway. Glad to know the forum police are ever-vigilant!

Also, my original post is not about inflated stats. It is about inflated boss difficulty. In this game, "stats" refers to player attack and defense scores.

Think twice about keeping your foolish mouth shut before you go making a donkey of yourself again.

Alleran, you're a disgrace to the entire FUN team. Crawl back into the dirt hole that you came from.
Your posts don't contribute to this gaming community, and the threads that you've started should be deleted.

[Chups Crow]

What an asswipe, he hijacked his own thread. :D

[phopjon]

You're being unnecessarily combative, Alleran. I agree with your point, and agree that the subsequent point was not related. That said, no need to jump on people. Same for you Dragon Buster. Let's keep it civil.

I, for one, have welcomed the break these two events have afforded me. As Gree continues to punish people for playing their games and leveling up, I keep finding other things to do with my time. I'll be back for the next LTQ, but boss events and box events are increasingly pointless for a free player.

[Nacon10]

This is another example of why leveling is a negative. I have double my attack and struggled with the epic boss this time . I will continue to camp and enjoy the game best that I can .

[Shiloh]

It's been to long since Alleran last displayed his epic level of obnoxiousness. He can combine making a valid point with needlessly insulting people as well as anyone.

[The real slim shady]

Who gives a crap if epic boss is harder? The payout prizes are 10x better...14% beast attack and 91k worth of units alone from guild portion is unprecedented.

[Voxker]

Who gives a crap if epic boss is harder? The payout prizes are 10x better...14% beast attack and 91k worth of units alone from guild portion is unprecedented.

apparenty a lot of people.

[Ratma2001]

Who gives a crap if epic boss is harder? The payout prizes are 10x better...14% beast attack and 91k worth of units alone from guild portion is unprecedented.

And this is why the Boss is now 25% tougher (against your 14%) so the use of Gems is now paramount to keep up with the increase, you have to remember that if your awared or win a unit the next level will be far mor tougher than previous...even for top players , so middle and free can not get the unit period..hence they need to spend MORE gems than top players just to stay in touch, which is unlikely with current consensus on gem spending
So you must be in a top ten guild and dont mind spending coupious amounts of gems to get this unit! hope everyone else in your guild has the same views as yourself and have the funds at the ready...

[Crow-Magnum]

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[Spydrax]

To the original post:
I agree and well said. The events in total, not only the boss, have grown to such levels that it's ridiculous to think that anyone just entering this game, (future gem users?) or low to mid level free players can even dream of completing.

I believe this is more than GREE just focusing in on FUN/RK/SB, there's a strategy being implemented with an unknown end game to us players.

While I have no desire to request anyone to stop playing the game the way they know how or want to play, the only real way GREE will get the point is really.... Just to stop buying gems. If that's for an event, a week, two weeks, a war, whatever. But, it would have to be, across the board, not the........ (Well, I didn't BUY any, I only used what I had left) thus, prompting others to buy to keep up again. Honestly, we can talk until we're blue in the face, but as long as we buy, they'll keep selling.

We're in control of us, not GREE. They can only provide something, we don't have to buy.

War duration was longer? Not anymore
War frequency to close? Not anymore.

People acted. We have the power, we just have to believe it.

1st, assess the problem,
2nd, determine a plan of correction
3rd, act on that plan and make it reality.

We know what the problem is, what's the plan of correction?

[Master Stormzs]

To the original post:
I agree and well said. The events in total, not only the boss, have grown to such levels that it's ridiculous to think that anyone just entering this game, (future gem users?) or low to mid level free players can even dream of completing.

I believe this is more than GREE just focusing in on FUN/RK/SB, there's a strategy being implemented with an unknown end game to us players.

While I have no desire to request anyone to stop playing the game the way they know how or want to play, the only real way GREE will get the point is really.... Just to stop buying gems. If that's for an event, a week, two weeks, a war, whatever. But, it would have to be, across the board, not the........ (Well, I didn't BUY any, I only used what I had left) thus, prompting others to buy to keep up again. Honestly, we can talk until we're blue in the face, but as long as we buy, they'll keep selling.

We're in control of us, not GREE. They can only provide something, we don't have to buy.

War duration was longer? Not anymore
War frequency to close? Not anymore.

People acted. We have the power, we just have to believe it.

1st, assess the problem,
2nd, determine a plan of correction
3rd, act on that plan and make it reality.

We know what the problem is, what's the plan of correction?

Well said! I agree

[The real slim shady]

And this is why the Boss is now 25% tougher (against your 14%) so the use of Gems is now paramount to keep up with the increase, you have to remember that if your awared or win a unit the next level will be far mor tougher than previous...even for top players , so middle and free can not get the unit period..hence they need to spend MORE gems than top players just to stay in touch, which is unlikely with current consensus on gem spending
So you must be in a top ten guild and dont mind spending coupious amounts of gems to get this unit! hope everyone else in your guild has the same views as yourself and have the funds at the ready...

Really? You are comparing difficulty increases to stat gains? Doesn't make any sense bc of all of the events where there are 0% difficulty increases and 30% stat gains. I absolutely agree with you that it sucks they make the bosses harder but all they are trying to do is make it so 100 bosses takes gems. I'm cool with that by getting over 500k stat gains for free from the guild portion :)


We are about to finish day 7 completely free...

[Pophai]

Really? You are comparing difficulty increases to stat gains? Doesn't make any sense bc of all of the events where there are 0% difficulty increases and 30% stat gains.

Tell me one...

Raid boss? Just insane.
Boss? More difficult.
Box? Worst drop rate ever.
iLTQ? Even that has become a lot harder recently.

[Sandhawk]

I'm just gonna skip over who hijacked who's thread and say that the OP has a valid point. This should be the focus of all our mental power and not picking apart each others meandering thought processes...

[E-I]

Maybe its time we all go free for a war. Just saying. Gree is out of control when even FUN complains.

[senna]

Maybe its time we all go free for a war. Just saying. Gree is out of control when even FUN complains.

Yeah FUN complains but have they ever taken their foot off the pedal? NO. If so, why should Gree change their modus operandi?

[AllFather Odin]

Yeah FUN complains but have they ever taken their foot off the pedal? NO. If so, why should Gree change their modus operandi?

If FUN doesn't floor the pedal all the time and just go cruise control, that would wake up Gree in their sleep to say, "What in the world just happened?"

[bgood]

If FUN doesn't floor the pedal all the time and just go cruise control, that would wake up Gree in their sleep to say, "What in the world just happened?"

We've been down this road before bc FUN has to finish first, RK will go along with a boycott but once someone else "Breaks" they will spend, Samurai Blood will agree then move all their gem spenders to another guild in their family and gun for it and it will all fall apart just like the one time we tried it. Thats just the top 3, Top 10 wants to stay top ten, top 25-50 etc. There are far too many huge egos and far too many people who spend big cash that have to get the top prizes. Lets just sit back and enjoy the fate that is this game while its still here bc it probably will not be here a year from now.

[Chups Crow]

If FUN doesn't floor the pedal all the time and just go cruise control, that would wake up Gree in their sleep to say, "What in the world just happened?"

Good luck with that, last time when there was a planned gem-free war that everybody agreed upon, FUN decided to gem away. It's their way of life.

[Spydrax]

I have to disagree with the previous posts, that accept failure. Nothing worth having is easy to obtain and movements nearly never get off the ground the first time attempted. But they succeeded because people focused and kept moving forward, not stop and accept that attempt as 'it'. That's a defeatist attitude, that I don't agree with.

In truth, we tried before; we have people with egos; we have people who want to maintain their current placement, yea to all that, but EVERYONE can be led when the right cause and leader are put in place.

People have to want it, and when they do, it'll happen. If not and acceptance of the status quo is okay by everyone and no one is willing to sacrifice an event, then everyone should just stop complaining. Words are empty without action.

FUN/RK/SB, are only three, granted, large contributors, but only three. The problem is: we're not a team, we're to focused on the individual and FEAR of falling behind if we sacrifice. Once were a team, well get what we all want, a fair and competitive game format that everyone, top down, can enjoy playing.

[It's all a dream]

Good luck with that, last time when there was a planned gem-free war that everybody agreed upon, FUN decided to gem away. It's their way of life.

Mmm gemming away meant in this case around 15m cp to win instead of the then normal 30m cp. (Much higher now)
Yes i agree with bgood in a way. We tried and i didnt go exactly as planned, but looking at the total cp that war it was a success and things changed for a while.

Right now im at the same point as bgood though. Enjoy the game while its still there

[Valid or]

It might look unfair to players to increess boss health and increess the diffulculty of mobs, but is it unfair? No. We agree to let them makes changes as they see fit, it all falls under the terms of service that we agree to when we start playing.
Wether we like it or not, is irrelitave when we agree to let them do it.

[Ratma2001]

Agrred, but soon the issue will be as everything goes up so does Gem spending to keep up, my HLP used to be able to get to Boss 36 with gold hits now im struggling at Boss 22 my stats have increased over 1.5 million yet still can not get higher than before ?? If this continues play will slow down players will not compete in events thus leaving a huge gap in someones pocket....honestly to keep gemming will take its toll also!, used to spend 50-100 a month then went to 300 a month now you need at least 500 just to enter, it ok for lower levels but hlp have the harder tier thus requiring more Gems to keep up,
Point is i have seen low levels around 80's with 8-9Mill in stats that s more than me at 180-190's, why it cost less to participate and their tier is easier than hlp's due to increase, if Stat unit win goes up LTQ Boss goes higher simple maths.
the only benefit to HLP is Raid boss to a point and Wars..period

[A concerned KA player]

Wow. You are a member of FUN... But you have the nerve to complain about bosses being too hard? I hope millions of people hijack your ****-threads. You're a real **** sir

[senna]

Wow. You are a member of FUN... But you have the nerve to complain about bosses being too hard? I hope millions of people hijack your ****-threads. You're a real **** sir

Dude, I hope you are not a forum veteran creating a new profile just to fire cheap shots at others. If you have something to say or complain, use your original account

[Max Power]

No fake id here. Alleran, quit spending, quit caring, and open a window and inhale deeply. Posting whine threads on gaming forums and then whining about perceived threadjacks is not behavior that would make your parents proud. Get a hold of yourself. Grow up. Take you girl to dinner. Whatever it takes.Just stop.

[Alleran]

No fake id here. Alleran, quit spending, quit caring, and open a window and inhale deeply. Posting whine threads on gaming forums and then whining about perceived threadjacks is not behavior that would make your parents proud. Get a hold of yourself. Grow up. Take you girl to dinner. Whatever it takes.Just stop.

Coming from a guy who has 2,499 posts in the Funzio forums... You're clearly above it all.

[Tubs]

In response to Spydrax... Agree that it's only if we act as one that we can make a stand....ok then how do we do it because we should mobilize now if we want to achieve something before the next war.
The Crusaders...Top 25 Guild and mini ego....:-)

[sister morphine]

It might look unfair to players to increess boss health and increess the diffulculty of mobs, but is it unfair? No. We agree to let them makes changes as they see fit, it all falls under the terms of service that we agree to when we start playing.
Wether we like it or not, is irrelitave when we agree to let them do it.
It's not just unfair in this case; it's downright underhand. When the company awards players who beat the previous epic boss a 3% boost when attacking epic bosses, and then increases the health of bosses by the same amount or more - thus neutralising their own prize - it's pretty close to bait & switch, which is illegal.

[aphroKEN]

You'll have to wait till Gree starts complaining you're not giving them enough money and maybe then you'll have some leverage.

[Spydrax]

In response to Spydrax... Agree that it's only if we act as one that we can make a stand....ok then how do we do it because we should mobilize now if we want to achieve something before the next war.
The Crusaders...Top 25 Guild and mini ego....:-)

Good afternoon Tubs,
There are many ways, but I have to believe, that while our general speech here is covered by the freedom of speech that most of our nations enjoy, I must believe that the powers that be, would frown on the use of their system for means of this nature. Therefore, I'll refrain from answering that here. The word, Banned, comes to mind.