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Brybry
11-15-2013, 06:10 PM
We have 33k ip points trying for wins and streaks and we are verging top 150-100 teams anyone know y

kimberleyj
11-15-2013, 06:52 PM
same problem , we finshed just outside the top 400 and we have just faced a top 255 team which are now ranked at 15 during this war. not to mention we have already won 2 battles but didn't get the weapon for it and we are now back to 1 win.

plavine
11-15-2013, 08:16 PM
Just got matched up with a powerhouse af1 for life . We are a 50 player syndicate , they have 60 players with at least 12 players higher than our highest player .
Gree might have fixed the login issues , but their matchup program is still broken .

Lebsta
11-15-2013, 08:21 PM
Looks like it is the same issue as last war. We to are getting matched with groups a lot higher then us.

Sammo the Kid
11-15-2013, 08:28 PM
Same here. Top 500 team and we're drawing teams that were #45, #64 and #136 and full rosters. There's no way in hell we match these people stat wise. Their DLs have 4 times the stats of our highest attacker.

Phantom303
11-15-2013, 08:41 PM
Friday, so we struggle along the weekend and wait for solutions on monday. This game is not improving one bit. Yes complaining is easy. I know... Now I hush...

hexie
11-15-2013, 08:48 PM
Same here. Top 500 team and we're drawing teams that were #45, #64 and #136 and full rosters. There's no way in hell we match these people stat wise. Their DLs have 4 times the stats of our highest attacker.

I feel for you, Sammo. We're T250 with a reduced line up this war and getting matched with teams that always finish in top 50-100. We threw the last one and have decided to sit the next hour out to see if it helps.

Max Power
11-15-2013, 08:49 PM
If you draw a high team, just fold and start a new streak.

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 08:50 PM
Top teams will be submarining - expect crazy match-ups. They will be submarining before doing the streaks................if you are a lowly team watch out for top 25s and abort.

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 08:51 PM
If you draw a high team, just fold and start a new streak.

Good advice

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 09:03 PM
when you get matched, allocate a member to find where they finished the previous battle weekend. If it is considerably higher they are streaking.

Watch for big push close to the end of the hour. They will leave the wall up, take down your DL and scout secretly. They are just waiting.

Abort or hit them before they hit you - use judjement on whether is is possible. They will blitz with minutes to go

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 09:17 PM
If you have a team slightly lower than your match-up opponent but are near the end of your streak goal do not be afraid to pound them - I have seen a 50s team beat SAS2 and knock them off their streak.

Use tactics - get everyone ready, have secretly scouted so everyone has a target then just start 2 minutes before you imagine they will

Bandit_
11-15-2013, 09:37 PM
If you have a team slightly lower than your match-up opponent but are near the end of your streak goal do not be afraid to pound them - I have seen a 50s team beat SAS2 and knock them off their streak.

Use tactics - get everyone ready, have secretly scouted so everyone has a target then just start 2 minutes before you imagine they will


When did this happen?

Im Jahova
11-15-2013, 09:41 PM
It's because most of the top teams are hiding because they are too afraid to stay in their normal rank and fight. You can call it a strategy but it's a sissy way to get the items.

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 09:46 PM
last 2 battle weekends - Bad Blood Rising knocked off SAS2 and OGK. Whilst of the other side, BBR knocked off Sol Invictus despite me telling Sol they were about to do it.

In these instances, BBR ended in the 80s, SAS2 and OGK were 4 & 5 from memory. When BBR blitzed Sol Invictus, Sol were 15

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 09:48 PM
It's because most of the top teams are hiding because they are too afraid to stay in their normal rank and fight. You can call it a strategy but it's a sissy way to get the items.

That post is up to your usual standard of pish

Im Jahova
11-15-2013, 09:58 PM
That post is up to your usual standard of pish

Incorrect sir. Want to try again?

cc thunder
11-15-2013, 09:59 PM
That post is up to your usual standard of pish do you like how he started a new account explicitly to get b& as part of the SAS vs Fight Club thread? Lame

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 10:06 PM
Incorrect sir. Want to try again?

No need to retry - your fishing attempt was pish. Teams fom top 25 to top 1000 are submarining, not hiding - on Monday they'll all get closer to their real rank. Thos who are a busted flush will fight hard to go full-on to try for rank

Schloesser
11-15-2013, 10:09 PM
do you like how he started a new account explicitly to get b& as part of the SAS vs Fight Club thread? Lame

Not really - his pish is as usual and worthless!!!!!

Im Jahova
11-15-2013, 10:45 PM
do you like how he started a new account explicitly to get b& as part of the SAS vs Fight Club thread? Lame

I can tell you that was not an account made by me. Get your facts right next time

Im Jahova
11-15-2013, 10:47 PM
No need to retry - your fishing attempt was pish. Teams fom top 25 to top 1000 are submarining, not hiding - on Monday they'll all get closer to their real rank. Thos who are a busted flush will fight hard to go full-on to try for rank

They are hiding. They could all man up and not do that but they are too afraid of losing. Obviously not worthy of being top 25/50 and above

Hearts
11-16-2013, 02:23 AM
terrible. horrible matchup all day!

BigMoney
11-16-2013, 02:39 AM
Top teams will be submarining - expect crazy match-ups. They will be submarining before doing the streaks................if you are a lowly team watch out for top 25s and abort.

It's because most of the top teams are hiding because they are too afraid to stay in their normal rank and fight. You can call it a strategy but it's a sissy way to get the items.


Both of you are wrong. Well, Schloesser isn't technically wrong, in that top teams do try to tank their IP at the start hoping for better matchups, but you are both wrong if you think a top team can actually get significantly worse teams by staying lower ranked. As I've said hundreds of times, aggregate team stats is the main factor in determining matchups. Period. If a top 10 team sat out for two days and started fighting in the last 12 hours, they'd still likely get a Top 3/10/25 team in their first matchup.

Yes, mismatches do occur, and you might attribute them to the top team's temporarily low IP score, but you'd be wrong. Mismatches happen at all levels. When the current Top 3 team was sitting in the Top 10, they still matched 2-3 awful teams in a row (Retards at Large, ranked 687th last battle), and some other team too weak to fight back in the other, can't remember their stupid name. Top 10 team, sitting in the Top 10, matched a Top 750 team earlier. Point being, mismatches do occur.

Schloesser
11-16-2013, 07:33 AM
Both of you are wrong. Well, Schloesser isn't technically wrong, in that top teams do try to tank their IP at the start hoping for better matchups, but you are both wrong if you think a top team can actually get significantly worse teams by staying lower ranked. As I've said hundreds of times, aggregate team stats is the main factor in determining matchups. Period. If a top 10 team sat out for two days and started fighting in the last 12 hours, they'd still likely get a Top 3/10/25 team in their first matchup.

Yes, mismatches do occur, and you might attribute them to the top team's temporarily low IP score, but you'd be wrong. Mismatches happen at all levels. When the current Top 3 team was sitting in the Top 10, they still matched 2-3 awful teams in a row (Retards at Large, ranked 687th last battle), and some other team too weak to fight back in the other, can't remember their stupid name. Top 10 team, sitting in the Top 10, matched a Top 750 team earlier. Point being, mismatches do occur.

And you would know this seeing as how you have completed all goals in a battle weekend - oh wait you haven't. If you start slowly, submarine substantially and deliberately lose in the initial spell you will have a great chance to break the matching system.

I will cite Bad Blood Rising (a 50ish team). They completed all goals during Boardwalk Bash. They did this by submarining to around 480 and losing in doing so. Their match-ups were almost always at the rank they were sitting on. Fair enough, they did meet SAS2 when on rank 253 and that abbhoration did mean they had to jump to around 103 in beating SAS2.

However, their subsequent battles were largely 100-150ish teams and BBR were able to standstill/fall back (to around 113) to ensure easy match-ups until finished the whole thing.

You can say what you want hundreds of times or you can take a look at BBR members' inventories and feel jealous about the Boss Car. Submarining substantially and putting in deliberate losses does work to disrupt match-ups

I'm afraid your 'know-all' attitude has failed you on this occasion and has probably cost DFA the opportunity to have a try at streaking. Or are you gonna tell me the BBR example was just incredible fluke 50 times consecutively?

plavine
11-16-2013, 08:36 AM
The splinter teams are killing my group.
We have a few 1 mil players , but these 10-20 person teams have most if their players higher than our DL .
We hit their few low players but get killed .
You can't sit out every battle , this is getting ridiculous, gree has to fix what they created by offering such high syndicate rewards .

Schloesser
11-16-2013, 08:43 AM
The splinter teams are killing my group.
We have a few 1 mil players , but these 10-20 person teams have most if their players higher than our DL .
We hit their few low players but get killed .
You can't sit out every battle , this is getting ridiculous, gree has to fix what they created by offering such high syndicate rewards .

I agree it's a little unfair on the more junior/non-gold teams. The wiser of the more senior teams (and specialist teams with few members all uber stats) will have submarined and expoiting you because of the unintended consequence of the rewards on offer.

Your response next battles should be to submarine 500-1000 places yourself and exploit unfortunates.

krcibe
11-16-2013, 10:20 AM
So how about us, our mini syndicate (7 account level 70 or less) gets matched to FC at the end of our 6-win streak...we are top 750 at the moment but lost our first win thx to a stupid glitch...so long 6-win streak, thx gree, you've done it again!

Dandd1821
11-16-2013, 12:38 PM
We were ranked 758 and we matched up against a 113.it was for our 4 in a row streak,these matchups are ridiculous.they are gonna push more players out of the game than they will get spending gold,which is all the gree-dy bums want.

CCKallDAY
11-16-2013, 03:46 PM
Yeah, but someone from GREE said it's based on stats, but it's obviously not... my syndicate's attacked a whole team stronger than us before, like COLD Karma Mafia, their stats were double ours.... total

plavine
11-16-2013, 08:51 PM
I agree it's a little unfair on the more junior/non-gold teams. The wiser of the more senior teams (and specialist teams with few members all uber stats) will have submarined and expoiting you because of the unintended consequence of the rewards on offer.

Your response next battles should be to submarine 500-1000 places yourself and exploit unfortunates.

I hear you : we are currently in the top 500, ( usually we challenge for top 250) but we are getting matched up against killer teams , some who are ranked lower than we are . They have 20 players who are stronger than our highest player and 10 LLP that we can't score any points off of.

plavine
11-16-2013, 08:54 PM
We have 20 players who are level 200+.
We started this game and made it popular . I play because I like it. We spend sone money but certainly not mountains .
Gree is going to lose us if they don't change a few things

wenzdae
11-16-2013, 08:58 PM
I see it like this, win some lose some. My syndicate just got matched with SAS and we have been ranking beteewn 50-90. The way matches are calculated has little to do with ranking apparently and overall stats has priority, go figure!

tfletcher20
11-16-2013, 09:48 PM
In a top 25 syn last battle and we decided to go gold free/ very light gold usage

iamlegend
11-17-2013, 01:25 AM
I just want Gree to explain the matching system. Matching with teams near your current rank and/or team Attack is fair, Matching a 1423 ranked team with a 160 ranked team is not. Our team is has around 3 million attack where theirs was closer to 15-20 million, where is that competitive. And its not a team submarining that was their current rank, I understand a glitch but its happened twice both at the end of a streak. SMH

Dirtidawgidvas
11-17-2013, 03:17 AM
Gree just turned me into a play free player. And for that, I am grateful :)

sister morphine
11-17-2013, 03:52 AM
I just want Gree to explain the matching system. Matching with teams near your current rank and/or team Attack is fair, Matching a 1423 ranked team with a 160 ranked team is not. Our team is has around 3 million attack where theirs was closer to 15-20 million, where is that competitive. And its not a team submarining that was their current rank, I understand a glitch but its happened twice both at the end of a streak. SMH
Probably it's set up to give you a hard time at the end of longer streaks.

nikita TWT
11-17-2013, 04:04 AM
I think that somehow you always get much stronger team when you are trying to finish consecutive syn goal... maybe it is just bad luck but maybe the matching system works this way.

Dirtidawgidvas
11-17-2013, 09:45 AM
I think that somehow you always get much stronger team when you are trying to finish consecutive syn goal... maybe it is just bad luck but maybe the matching system works this way.no it's something new. This is currently the same in mw, as before it wasn't. Now in mw we can't even complete streaks. Before? Not a problem :(

Kyo
11-17-2013, 06:27 PM
We are a 13 member team, in the top 500. So far, we have met SAS first team, pig farmers, and Dingbats.

Just now we met HTC Blues and lost our streak of 9 wins which mean we do not have enough time to complete the streak goals.

I will be deleting this game after this war. It's not fun anymore, too many issues and too much money down the drain.

panty sniffer
11-17-2013, 06:47 PM
I think the reason for some of the mis-matches is because most syndicates declare wars back to back. If it takes 3-5 minutes to get matched there is a good chance you will not be matched with another syn close to your sum attack or rank because there are none available.

For every 60 syndicates, there might be 3-5 at most in your range that are also looking to get matched in that short window of time. Two or four of which, at best, will have even matched with each other and not you.

The answer would be to have a minimal 10 minute wait while the server can find you a more even match.. If we feel like waiting that long

Dirtidawgidvas
11-17-2013, 07:36 PM
I think the reason for some of the mis-matches is because most syndicates declare wars back to back. If it takes 3-5 minutes to get matched there is a good chance you will not be matched with another syn close to your sum attack or rank because there are none available.

For every 60 syndicates, there might be 3-5 at most in your range that are also looking to get matched in that short window of time. Two or four of which, at best, will have even matched with each other and not you.

The answer would be to have a minimal 10 minute wait while the server can find you a more even match.. If we feel like waiting that longthats not the issue. Gree just wanted us to spend gold. It was never a problem on mw until they altered there and obviously here.

Senator McCarthy
11-17-2013, 08:50 PM
This might just be a conspiracy theory but we were hanging top 400 to get easy teams but was fed top 10/25/50 teams constantly (this has never happened before on a consistent basis) so we decided to just go up in rank.

When we used gold to score heavily... our next opponent was weak. If we didn't use gold and squeaked out a victory... our next opponent has been always tough.

This could be just coincidence but I think heavy gold use gets rewarded with an easier team. Any other team observed this?

Max Power
11-17-2013, 09:08 PM
I think the reason for some of the mis-matches is because most syndicates declare wars back to back. If it takes 3-5 minutes to get matched there is a good chance you will not be matched with another syn close to your sum attack or rank because there are none available. For every 60 syndicates, there might be 3-5 at most in your range that are also looking to get matched in that short window of time. Two or four of which, at best, will have even matched with each other and not you.The answer would be to have a minimal 10 minute wait while the server can find you a more even match.. If we feel like waiting that longWhen they are giving prizes to the top 4000 factions, I don't think thats the problem.

iamlegend
11-17-2013, 09:47 PM
I think the reason for some of the mis-matches is because most syndicates declare wars back to back. If it takes 3-5 minutes to get matched there is a good chance you will not be matched with another syn close to your sum attack or rank because there are none available.

For every 60 syndicates, there might be 3-5 at most in your range that are also looking to get matched in that short window of time. Two or four of which, at best, will have even matched with each other and not you.

The answer would be to have a minimal 10 minute wait while the server can find you a more even match.. If we feel like waiting that long

Our match up takes no longer than 20-30 sec, so i cant agree at all. Near end of every streak teams become impossible. Its happened 3 times so far, and looking to happen a fourth time. Anyone else get the unknown error in last two minutes of battle? We lost a fourth because of this, bought gold gonna do it the hard way and 4 of 6 members all android kept getting unknown error every time they tried hitting!! WTH were completely frustrated.

SC4R
11-17-2013, 10:12 PM
same here, we're top 1000 with half our slots full and fighting top 250 with 60 members. This has not only happened once but 3 times in a row.

TZora
11-17-2013, 10:56 PM
This might just be a conspiracy theory but we were hanging top 400 to get easy teams but was fed top 10/25/50 teams constantly (this has never happened before on a consistent basis) so we decided to just go up in rank.

When we used gold to score heavily... our next opponent was weak. If we didn't use gold and squeaked out a victory... our next opponent has been always tough.

This could be just coincidence but I think heavy gold use gets rewarded with an easier team. Any other team observed this?
there are no coincidences .. the event is designed that way .. u score a little extra IP, you get a tough team. when you see there's no chance of winning, you score less, you get an easier team next round.

we've been trying to win the 4 streak .. first two matches are always low scoring rivals .. 3rd gets tough and we lose to 4th team .. this has happened a lot. forget about the coincidences and work on facts ...

hexie
11-18-2013, 02:08 AM
So is it simply a case of say, a team of 40 with 1.5M avg stats facing a team of 60 with 2.5M average stats consistently ranked higher just because there really is a limited pool with all the abstaining going on? If so it would seem the match up algorithm is heavily weighted in picking a team from a higher branch.

I would like to hear from teams that have sat out for a day or more and thus are well under scored compared to their usual match-ups to see if they are having an easier time of the streak goal completion or if they are experiencing what TZora implies.

nikita TWT
11-18-2013, 06:28 AM
Last two battles we waited couple hours before we started playing - we dropped quite much in rankings (normally we are top 250, but we dropped much lower, to top 1000 or even more down). And it worked, first battle was the best, previous one was a bit worse but still we were able to finish many consecutive goals. This time although we used the same strategy it did not work, we have been getting much stronger opponents (top 150 or even top 30) so we haven't been able to finish even "win 3 in a row" goal. Idk if matching algorithm has changed this war or if every team now uses the low-scoring and dropping-in-rankings strategy.

sister morphine
11-18-2013, 07:04 AM
So is it simply a case of say, a team of 40 with 1.5M avg stats facing a team of 60 with 2.5M average stats consistently ranked higher just because there really is a limited pool with all the abstaining going on? If so it would seem the match up algorithm is heavily weighted in picking a team from a higher branch.

I would like to hear from teams that have sat out for a day or more and thus are well under scored compared to their usual match-ups to see if they are having an easier time of the streak goal completion or if they are experiencing what TZora implies.
So far as I'm aware, the matching attempts to put you against a team with a similar attack value. That doesn't mean you'll be able to hit anybody. A team of two high stat players is more likely to get matched with a large team of low stats simply because there are more of those than of small high value syndicates.

If after a while, none are available then you will get matched with whoever happens along. That's how small teams get FC or SAS if they're unlucky.

The suspicion that matching has been tweaked to "persuade" players to spend gold at the end of a longer streak might well be true, or it might just be the natural way. Just seems like a conspiracy due to the stakes. This is Gree of course, so draw your own conclusions! ;)