Guild rollback

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Apparently gree removed those glitchers from my guild. And at the same time, deleted all my guilds guardian as well as elemental bonuses and finally all the remaining gold in guild bank. Because there were "these" few guild members that used the gold glitch and who are now banned. This is not fair as a guild we CANNOT STOP OUR MEMBERS FROM DOING THE GLITCH. But we do in all sense advise them not to do it for fear of the consequences. In light of this event, we also accepted players who requested to join and they too made "massive" contributions. How in the world do we know if someone glitches just from seeing his user profile? He's strong, good armors, we need him! Thats all we know. He glitches? I cant tell. So.... honestly speaking, any one member of a guild could/could've completely wiped out your bonuses, guardians, and guild gold. GREE its called a "GUILD" for a reason. Not trolling us and making us restart all over. GREE you handled this the wrong way. Least u could do is, rollback to the point the glitch was available.
As a result my guild gets COMPLETELY RESETTED.
SO MAY I ASK, HOW CAN WE TELL IF SOMEONE IS A GLITCHER? AND AS A GUILD, WHY MUST WE FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE GLITCHERS? RATHER GREES FAULT?

[Oryihn]

Apparently gree removed those glitchers from my guild. And at the same time, deleted all my guilds guardian as well as elemental bonuses and finally all the remaining gold in guild bank. Because there were "these" few guild members that used the gold glitch and who are now banned. Thus is not fair as a guild we CANNOT STOP OUR MEMBERS FROM DOING THE GLITCH. But we do in all sense advise them not to do it for fear of the consequences. In light of this event, we also accepted players who requested to join and they too made "massive" contributions. How in the world do we know if someone glitches just from seeing his user profile? He's strong, good armors, we need him! Thats all we know. He glitches? I cant tell.
As a result my guild gets COMPLETELY RESETTED.
SO MAY I ASK, HOW CAN WE TELL IF SOMEONE IS A GLITCHER? AND AS A GUILD, WHY MUST WE FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THOSE GLITCHERS? RATHER GREES FAULT?


The guilds get punished... And the people that did the glitch are free to join another guild and ruin them too.

At least make it where they have a flag by their name that identifies them as a flagged player if you are going to let them still play.

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The guilds get punished... And the people that did the glitch are free to join another guild and ruin them too.

At least make it where they have a flag by their name that identifies them as a flagged player if you are going to let them still play.

Exactly my point.

[holygrale]

This creates a completely new market for kamikazee/hit men...to join and destroy guilds....GG GREE

[BobSaget1]

A lot of guilds just got ko'd by the joke company we call GREE. Any one member of a guild could/could've completely wiped out your bonuses, guardians, and guild gold. GREE handled this the wrong way.

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This creates a completely new market for kamikazee/hit men...to join and destroy guilds....GG GREE
HAHAHAHA well said

[Paladineguru]

If they were removed then its because they donated dirty money and instead of questioning and reporting it you bought and leveled guardians and bonus.... The fault is.yours

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A lot of guilds just got ko'd by the joke company we call GREE. Any one member of a guild could/could've completely wiped out your bonuses, guardians, and guild gold. GREE handled this the wrong way.
updated post. Borrowed your point :)

[Oryihn]

If they were removed then its because they donated dirty money and instead of questioning and reporting it you bought and leveled guardians and bonus.... The fault is.yours

You obviously have no clue what happened.

They were removed three days after the event, the rollbacks happened about an hour after the removals.

Some of these people only donated 10-20k and you would never know they cheated.

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If they were removed then its because they donated dirty money and instead of questioning and reporting it you bought and leveled guardians and bonus.... The fault is.yours

How do I know if a member glitches? I look at his armors, strong, high level! I want him on my team. Enters guild starts will big contributions then asks for HC rank saying he saved up for weeks. Who am I to trust?

[Paladineguru]

A guy who earns hc over several wars. Has shown leadership initiative, and is proven. Most players struggling to level armor and character dont have piles of gold. And most guilds require screenshots of castle. If a guy with t2 fields dumps 50 million yeah that should ring an alarm bell

[nachomasterx]

Make sure you get screens of their castle too. If they have 10 mil in their bank, they're either cheating or stingy and don't ever donate to support their guild. Either way, you'll know not to take them.

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Make sure you get screens of their castle too. If they have 10 mil in their bank, they're either cheating or stingy and don't ever donate to support their guild. Either way, you'll know not to take them.
they can only do the glitch once they are in a guild. They semd me screens of their castle with only 1m gold. And made huge contributions resulting in their kick. Still.... gree rolled the entire guild back

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A guy who earns hc over several wars. Has shown leadership initiative, and is proven. Most players struggling to level armor and character dont have piles of gold. And most guilds require screenshots of castle. If a guy with t2 fields dumps 50 million yeah that should ring an alarm bell
That is not the point im trying to drive at. RATHER about GREE rolling the guild back for others (their) mistake.

[Donovan187]

So when a HC, who was with you from the start, uses this glitch, donates tons of gold, upgrades bonuses, and eventually gets banned, all within 20 minutes, eventually causing the guild to lose all banked gold, all bonuses, and all guardians fair?

How were we supposed to prevent this?

Please explain to me how this is fair?

[infliction]

GREE picked a middle ground, but if it were up to most of the people playing this game, a full player ban and a complete reset of guilds would've been the preferred action.

Personally, I think the guilds and the players got away with a slap on the wrist.

[bosskiller]

I think it is a good punishment, any less and there would be no reason to stop doing it.

Also, didn't you get banned yourself?

[Instagram]

I think it is a good punishment, any less and there would be no reason to stop doing it.

Also, didn't you get banned yourself?

nope. False alarm

[Instagram]

Why complete reset? May I ask.

[BobSaget1]

Honestly some people are being ignorant, the result of the glitch should've just been banned permanently, then guild reset to right before the spike in gold...

[bosskiller]

If you don't reset it, what do you think they should do? if they just undid the things that were cheating, there would be no reason to stop, they could just keep doing it and hope to get by at some point. What should they have done instead?

[BobSaget1]

If you don't reset it, what do you think they should do? if they just undid the things that were cheating, there would be no reason to stop, they could just keep doing it and hope to get by at some point. What should they have done instead?
How is a perm ban not ending the cheating? Players know the consequences, they won't do it, reset to prior the insane gold contributed. You can't really get by on it...

[infliction]

Why complete reset? May I ask.

Because you gambled and you lost. You tried to cheat and get away with it, but got caught. If the only punishment is to be reset back to your original state, then everybody should cheat and try and get away with it. After all, the worst that can happen is that you're reset back to your original state.

I know that you're saying it was 1 rogue guy on your guild, but everyone is going to say that (or it was 2 or 3 bad apples). It may or may not be true, but who's going to prove it? If all they do is reset your guild back to its original state and leave the individual unpunished, then that's just a complete joke. Next time around, people are going to create garbage accounts on old crap phones and glitch like a boss. Then if they get caught, no big deal. Guild loses nothing and even the garbage account loses nothing (actually it gains, because it will have probably used some of the gold and benefitted from free fusions, before it was taken away).

And for the truly honest guild that got unlucky with a bad apple (not even sure if there are any in this case), then it's an unfortunate casualty in this mess. The best thing you can do as a GM is to watch what your guild mates are doing and communicate with them. When something suspicious happens, report it and move on. Waiting until GREE intervenes against cheaters is just asking for trouble.

[Oryihn]

If you don't reset it, what do you think they should do? if they just undid the things that were cheating, there would be no reason to stop, they could just keep doing it and hope to get by at some point. What should they have done instead?

They didnt just Undo the things that were cheating..

If you had 7% bonuses before the cheating started that you got from hard work... Thats gone..

Every guild that had a reset now has 0% bonuses... 0%

[infliction]

How is a perm ban not ending the cheating? Players know the consequences, they won't do it, reset to prior the insane gold contributed. You can't really get by on it...

You can make garbage accounts on garbage phones and cheat like a boss. Ban the garbage? Oh well, garbage account is banned. There's no perfect solution, but at least GREE made a mild statement that cheating will not be tolerated. I wish they would have gone further, but I guess it's better than nothing.

[TheGreatYumYum]

How is a perm ban not ending the cheating? Players know the consequences, they won't do it, reset to prior the insane gold contributed. You can't really get by on it...

Ditto. I'm done with this game now solely because of how Gree treats its players. It's really not too hard to perm ban someone and reset the guild to right before the glitch occurred. Why can't they put a freeze on guilds, fix the glitch, roll the guild back to when the glitch happened, ban the person and everyone is happy? But instead they decide to punish every other person in the guild who spends their time and money (a lot in some cases) on the game. Oh well, not like we didn't see something this coming from Gree.

[Oxilated]

I totally agree, why everyone suffer if only 1 person in the guild did the cheat. why reset it back to 0% if the cheater started doing it with 7% boost. why not just put a cheater banner on the player who cheats so he wouldnt be accepted into a guild.

Simple answer
Gree wants us to buy 1.2m gold for 75 euros

[BobSaget1]

You can make garbage accounts on garbage phones and cheat like a boss. Ban the garbage? Oh well, garbage account is banned. There's no perfect solution, but at least GREE made a mild statement that cheating will not be tolerated. I wish they would have gone further, but I guess it's better than nothing.

How about gree fixes the glitch, rerolls the guild to before the exploit is obvious, perm bans the people that did it? DONE.

[infliction]

How about gree fixes the glitch, rerolls the guild to before the exploit is obvious, perm bans the people that did it? DONE.

So basically you're saying guilds are immune to the actions of its members. Next time a glitch like this happens, we can make garbage accounts and boost our guild with the only repercussion being a ban on the garbage accounts? Or let's take it even further and get expendable members (i.e. invite new members) to cheat for your guild. If they get banned, oh well no loss to the guild. There are so many ways to attempt cheating with no risk, if the guild is never at fault. At some point in time, the guild has to be responsible for its members and understand the actions that are taking place.

[BobSaget1]

So basically you're saying guilds are immune to the actions of its members. Next time a glitch like this happens, we can make garbage accounts and boost our guild with the only repercussion being a ban on the garbage accounts? Or let's take it even further and get expendable members (i.e. invite new members) to cheat for your guild. If they get banned, oh well no loss to the guild. There are so many ways to attempt cheating with no risk, if the guild is never at fault. At some point in time, the guild has to be responsible for its members and understand the actions that are taking place.

Last post responding to you. Read the first part of my sentence. Also I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't just have a bunch of old phones at home with data service

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Because you gambled and you lost. You tried to cheat and get away with it, but got caught. If the only punishment is to be reset back to your original state, then everybody should cheat and try and get away with it. After all, the worst that can happen is that you're reset back to your original state.

I know that you're saying it was 1 rogue guy on your guild, but everyone is going to say that (or it was 2 or 3 bad apples). It may or may not be true, but who's going to prove it? If all they do is reset your guild back to its original state and leave the individual unpunished, then that's just a complete joke. Next time around, people are going to create garbage accounts on old crap phones and glitch like a boss. Then if they get caught, no big deal. Guild loses nothing and even the garbage account loses nothing (actually it gains, because it will have probably used some of the gold and benefitted from free fusions, before it was taken away).

And for the truly honest guild that got unlucky with a bad apple (not even sure if there are any in this case), then it's an unfortunate casualty in this mess. The best thing you can do as a GM is to watch what your guild mates are doing and communicate with them. When something suspicious happens, report it and move on. Waiting until GREE intervenes against cheaters is just asking for trouble.

The individual is already banned.

[Instagram]

You can make garbage accounts on garbage phones and cheat like a boss. Ban the garbage? Oh well, garbage account is banned. There's no perfect solution, but at least GREE made a mild statement that cheating will not be tolerated. I wish they would have gone further, but I guess it's better than nothing.
let me ask. How many phones u have?

[DK Shady]

Last post responding to you. Read the first part of my sentence. Also I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't just have a bunch of old phones at home with data service

Don't need data, just need Wi-Fi to play games on old phones.

[infliction]

Last post responding to you. Read the first part of my sentence. Also I'm pretty sure everyone doesn't just have a bunch of old phones at home with data service

I addressed your solution in its entirety. And I bet you everyone has an old phone sitting at home capable of wifi. If not multiple old phones or spouse phones or ... the list goes on.

[infliction]

let me ask. How many phones u have?

1 active phone. 1 spouse phone. 2 android tablets. 2 old wifi capable phones.

6 devices I can use.

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1 active phone. 1 spouse phone. 2 android tablets. 2 old wifi capable phones.

6 devices I can use.

And with 6 phones. Your point?

[x123]

with 6 he has got 5 accounts to feed there gold to his guild so they do not need a gold hack and still get the benefits of large bonuses. if everyone had 5 feeder accounts in your guild max bonuses would be reached easy. so he's saying don't buy chests buy old phones and set up accounts to feed your guild problem solved.

[cafedecoy]

I guess the message here from GREE to the GMs out there is "harbor glitchers in your guild and you too will be punished." I can't comment if this is fair or not, but I do wonder if incidents like these will make the GMs become more proactive about booting suspected cheaters.

[tababoy]

with 6 he has got 5 accounts to feed there gold to his guild so they do not need a gold hack and still get the benefits of large bonuses. if everyone had 5 feeder accounts in your guild max bonuses would be reached easy. so he's saying don't buy chests buy old phones and set up accounts to feed your guild problem solved.

You're missing the point. Guilds affected by the rollbacks think that the punishment is too harsh and that it is a case of 'a few bad apples ruining the bunch.' While this can be true, if Gree were to only rollback to preglitch states, it sets a precedent situation of 'minimal risk, high reward.' Basically, if you cheat, you could benefit greatly, and if you're caught, you won't really be that affected by the punishment. This creates an environment where potential cheating can be considered worth the risk, which is not what Gree wants either.

Infliction merely listed a few scenarios that would come up if such an environment were created, and they were nitpicked about the plausibility of someone having multiple phones laying around.

Affected guilds have some choices to make now. Complaining is a good way to blow off steam, but I don't think Gree will reverse their decision now, as it would only encourage future attempts at cheating. They could quit, which is a fair option if you feel you were treated unfairly, but in reality, Gree does not even need a reason to roll back (it's in the ToS). They can also move on and learn from their experience. If there are sister/brother guilds, they can help with restructuring and/or rotating unaffected members to help the rebuilding of what was lost. And if you have people willing to stick around after such a setback, you know you have some good players within your ranks.

[infliction]

And with 6 phones. Your point?

I didn't have a direct point. I was simply asked a question and answered it.

Although, you could probably infer that it would be easy to make an account on one of those phones, do a glitch cheat and walk away unharmed. With your suggested penalties, the guild has a very high reward and no risk cheating scenario.

[toogoodformyowngood]

:cool:
You're missing the point. Guilds affected by the rollbacks think that the punishment is too harsh and that it is a case of 'a few bad apples ruining the bunch.' While this can be true, if Gree were to only rollback to preglitch states, it sets a precedent situation of 'minimal risk, high reward.' Basically, if you cheat, you could benefit greatly, and if you're caught, you won't really be that affected by the punishment. This creates an environment where potential cheating can be considered worth the risk, which is not what Gree wants either.

Infliction merely listed a few scenarios that would come up if such an environment were created, and they were nitpicked about the plausibility of someone having multiple phones laying around.

Affected guilds have some choices to make now. Complaining is a good way to blow off steam, but I don't think Gree will reverse their decision now, as it would only encourage future attempts at cheating. They could quit, which is a fair option if you feel you were treated unfairly, but in reality, Gree does not even need a reason to roll back (it's in the ToS). They can also move on and learn from their experience. If there are sister/brother guilds, they can help with restructuring and/or rotating unaffected members to help the rebuilding of what was lost. And if you have people willing to stick around after such a setback, you know you have some good players within your ranks.

There is no really fair way to go about things.

I think it should be considered on a case to case basis.

If the guild actually abuses the bug knowingly/intentionally. Then I think they should be actually banned as this is against the TOS of KnD.

It would also depend on the extent of the cheat, if the cheating is small 2/3 million might not make much of a difference. But if the cheating is done in the 100 of millions to billions. Then it will be obviously befair to reset the guild bonuses to 0%. Some of the big guilds like EP and KOR were obviously abusing the bug/glitch like mad. This guilds were able to obtain top 10 last war due to unfair advantage obtain to the cheating as such I dont see any reason why they shouldn't be reset to 0. This even bring their achievement of No#2 rank in Guild wars in question. Nonetheless that would be a different story.

EP was having like 9% elements and short of max probably because it would look too obvious. Such intentional cheating should be punished and probably banned due to intentional use of such glitch and bugs to obtain an unfair advantage. However, GREE would never ban them as this will affect their revenue doesnt make good business sense to do so.

Anyways @ Instagram, if you think its unfair. I think it would depend on the extent of the cheating that your guild has been doing. 5/10 or a few hundred million. Anyways. GREE has already decided and I don't think anything you say/do can change their mind.

[Instagram]

:cool:

There is no really fair way to go about things.

I think it should be considered on a case to case basis.

If the guild actually abuses the bug knowingly/intentionally. Then I think they should be actually banned as this is against the TOS of KnD.

It would also depend on the extent of the cheat, if the cheating is small 2/3 million might not make much of a difference. But if the cheating is done in the 100 of millions to billions. Then it will be obviously befair to reset the guild bonuses to 0%. Some of the big guilds like EP and KOR were obviously abusing the bug/glitch like mad. This guilds were able to obtain top 10 last war due to unfair advantage obtain to the cheating as such I dont see any reason why they shouldn't be reset to 0. This even bring their achievement of No#2 rank in Guild wars in question. Nonetheless that would be a different story.

EP was having like 9% elements and short of max probably because it would look too obvious. Such intentional cheating should be punished and probably banned due to intentional use of such glitch and bugs to obtain an unfair advantage. However, GREE would never ban them as this will affect their revenue doesnt make good business sense to do so.

Anyways @ Instagram, if you think its unfair. I think it would depend on the extent of the cheating that your guild has been doing. 5/10 or a few hundred million. Anyways. GREE has already decided and I don't think anything you say/do can change their mind.

I guess u do make a point. Highest ever guild bonus obtained were 26 levels.

[TheGreatYumYum]

Ok, using common sense to explain why most people think this is unfair, I shall explain henceforth. There is NO way for a guild to know if a member is glitching/cheating until it's too late and to state that it's up to a guild to be aware of what each member is doing is ridiculous when there is no check in place already. Is there an easy way to be "fair"? No, I don't think so. But going the complete opposite way of trying to be fair is what Gree did. If there was some way to know that someone is glitching and a guild decides to accept them, then by all means rollback the entire guild's progress.

[chunkmaster2013]

:cool:

There is no really fair way to go about things.

I think it should be considered on a case to case basis.

If the guild actually abuses the bug knowingly/intentionally. Then I think they should be actually banned as this is against the TOS of KnD.

It would also depend on the extent of the cheat, if the cheating is small 2/3 million might not make much of a difference. But if the cheating is done in the 100 of millions to billions. Then it will be obviously befair to reset the guild bonuses to 0%. Some of the big guilds like EP and KOR were obviously abusing the bug/glitch like mad. This guilds were able to obtain top 10 last war due to unfair advantage obtain to the cheating as such I dont see any reason why they shouldn't be reset to 0. This even bring their achievement of No#2 rank in Guild wars in question. Nonetheless that would be a different story.

EP was having like 9% elements and short of max probably because it would look too obvious. Such intentional cheating should be punished and probably banned due to intentional use of such glitch and bugs to obtain an unfair advantage. However, GREE would never ban them as this will affect their revenue doesnt make good business sense to do so.

Anyways @ Instagram, if you think its unfair. I think it would depend on the extent of the cheating that your guild has been doing. 5/10 or a few hundred million. Anyways. GREE has already decided and I don't think anything you say/do can change their mind.

You know good glitch wasn't discovered until after the war of the damned and also gold can really only affect elemental boost and guardians when my guild faced them they had only level 3 guardians idk for others but we faced them about 2 to 3 times and they only had level three

[tababoy]

Ok, using common sense to explain why most people think this is unfair, I shall explain henceforth. There is NO way for a guild to know if a member is glitching/cheating until it's too late and to state that it's up to a guild to be aware of what each member is doing is ridiculous when there is no check in place already. Is there an easy way to be "fair"? No, I don't think so. But going the complete opposite way of trying to be fair is what Gree did. If there was some way to know that someone is glitching and a guild decides to accept them, then by all means rollback the entire guild's progress.

Two points:
1) It would be unfair in this particular case if the player was gold glitching, but never donating to the guild. I'm guessing most cases of rollbacks had people glitching gold and donating to get easy 150ep and the amounts got to the point of raising concern. GM would have had opportunity to report to cover there bases. The situation I feel bad for was the guild that confronted a suspected cheater, cheater left and they still got rolled back, probably because they didn't report.

2) Gree has to weigh 'fairness' vs discouraging future cheating. Too light a penalty and you end up encouraging future attempts at cheating.

[tababoy]

You know good glitch wasn't discovered until after the war of the damned and also gold can really only affect elemental boost and guardians when my guild faced them they had only level 3 guardians idk for others but we faced them about 2 to 3 times and they only had level three

You left out easy armor leveling. I can't tell from your tone, but are you implying that using glitched gold to purchase elemental boosts does not create an unfair advantage?

[chunkmaster2013]

You left out easy armor leveling. I can't tell from your tone, but are you implying that using glitched gold to purchase elemental boosts does not create an unfair advantage?

It does but it's not as bad as armor leveling glitch I'd rather face a guild with only snakebites armor and all elemental purchace high then a guild with low elemental and 3 maxed 2000+ attack epics know what I mean

[tababoy]

It does but it's not as bad as armor leveling glitch I'd rather face a guild with only snakebites armor and all elemental purchace high then a guild with low elemental and 3 maxed 2000+ attack epics know what I mean

Like I said, you left out that glitched gold + fusion contribution bonuses leads to easy armor leveling. So you would run into both problems. You know what I mean?

[chunkmaster2013]

Like I said, you left out that glitched gold + fusion contribution bonuses leads to easy armor leveling. So you would run into both problems. You know what I mean?

True but amazingly enough people were getting banned for contributing to much not entirely but just from contributing

[Dianish]

True but amazingly enough people were getting banned for contributing to much not entirely but just from contributing

They got banned for using the gold glitch. Not by contributing to high amounts. The high amounts only made Gree aware of it and where to start the banning.

[chunkmaster2013]

They got banned for using the gold glitch. Not by contributing to high amounts. The high amounts only made Gree aware of it and where to start the banning.

Actually there are some complaints of people not being able to contribute because of them contributing to much and the people who got over 100m were banned any less you were probably gonna lose ability to contribute

[chunkmaster2013]

I noticed a mistake the gold glitch didn't come known to the public until after war of the wicked not damned

[mikieblue]

This is AWESOME! Well done GREE! About flipping time!!! :) So impressed you've taken this action..
The crime fits the punishment perfectly.

[Oxilated]

This is AWESOME! Well done GREE! About flipping time!!! :) So impressed you've taken this action..
The crime fits the punishment perfectly.
i disagree. innocent players also get punished. how the hell would we know our guildmate is cheating?
even if its only 1 person in your guild who cheated. the whole guild is affected. people leaving the guild because the boost get reset.

[Dianish]

people leaving the guild because the boost get reset.

If thats the case they wont be worth keeping anyway. Seems like they only wish to be with you because of the advantages. Not because of friends or guildies. So basically they were only supporting you as long as they could take advantage of you. Kind a sad. But it is old news that thats how most people are in the 21st century - Not to mention online!

Hope you'll rebuild with good strong people.

[Tuamare]

Whether it's been handled well or badly, it's good to see Gree take action against cheating. I hope that this process will continue. As a former player of KA, I can say that the game would be much, much better if all of the cheating methods were removed. So many people know how to get through the LTQ's easily, it shouldn't be that difficult for Gree to discover these cheats and fix them , assuming they have enough manpower left to work on it. Clean games would be infinitely more fun!

[Synovia]

I totally agree, why everyone suffer if only 1 person in the guild did the cheat. why reset it back to 0% if the cheater started doing it with 7% boost.

Because if you just set it back to where it was before the cheat, there's no risk, and therefore no reason to not try to cheat. If the worst case scenario for being caught cheating is the same as just not cheating, then there's nothing to lose.

[Zyntree]

I know I would be pissed if my guild got rolled back to 1 because of cheating I was unaware of and had no influence in. At the same time, it's a tough call, because I don't want cheating going on, and punishments have to be doled out to send a message to the community. Seems more fair would have been to ban the players involved permanently and the roll back guilds to pre glitch levels, but that may have not been possible. Who says GREE keeps cumulative time records on guild progression?

I can't say GREE made the wrong decision here, but then again it wasn't my guild. At least they did something.

[Gardoorf]

Ok I have played lots of games online from pay to play to free to play.... In most games where you cheat or hack can end up with accounts ban but all depends on the company.
Example Sony the owners of the online game Everquest if you hack and others don't know that account gets marked as ban. If the most the guild is hacking or cheating the guild is disbanded and not allowed to use the name again as we'll as them accounts are banded.
So if gree handed out some harsh punishments so what can't do anything about it. But I see it this way take advantage of a lil glitch will end up with everyone paying the price it's a good thing because now guild masters and the group of officers need to control thier guild. Don't care if you knew or didn't but what's done is done. Getting things back in a game is easy just have to work hard. But good for gree to crack down on people who cheat. Now am I saying its fair. No I'm not but at the same time gree should ban accounts it won't hurt thier bussness to much if they did accounts easy to get new but you keep cheating you will lose it again. And then the players who play the game the way it's ment to be played then will spend money on a game that's worth it.

[iH8t2lose2]

Perma ban the cheaters, reset guild to the bonuses from 2 weeks ago. Its easy.

[Harbear]

Perma ban the cheaters, reset guild to the bonuses from 2 weeks ago. Its easy.

These people are not perma banned?

So a guild has a long time HC dump a large sum, buy a bonus then leave when questioned, only to have GREE make an example of the former guild instead of the actual cheater...seems completely fair to me!!

*see "WTF Koala" image to the left.

[Tuamare]

There are a lot of assumptions being made here, how do you know that some of these top guilds were not knowingly cheating to gain advantage, across the board.

I was in a guild in one of the other games where everyone took advantage of glitches to finish quests that would otherwise never be finished. That guild was usually just outside the top 50. Never gained ground on the people ahead, therefore aLL the leading guilds must be cheating. The guild leader burnt through a huge amount of real world cash as well, as did other members, never to catch the people above. The leader quit, god knows how much impact the spending had on his personal life. I quit, because there's no satisfaction or enjoyment to be had from a game where challenges can't be beaten without cheating.

The worst thing about it is that Gree must know about the cheating, and most likely how the cheating is being done, but the bugs haven't been squashed. More should be invested in cleaning up these games and trapping the bugs. Would be great to have these games being competed on a level playing field.

Oh, I have no knowledge of any cheats in this game, and am quite disappointed that cheating has been uncovered here. But then, with examples throughout the sporting world, from Lance Armstrong downwards, is it any wonder that there's cheating here? These athlete's don't get a life ban either, they come back.

Enough rambling....

[Hakurou]

I like how most posters think it unfair that the whole guild is punished. The last time the Diskussion arose it was during a glitch at the beginning of a gw and i remember people demanding that the whole Guild had to be excluded from war or disbandend and so on. Now that more guilds are affected the punishment which is exactly the same it was then is suddenly too harsh.

[-Solo-]

Pretty sure Armstrong has a lifetime ban, but if you're talking about the other athletes, they are deemed cheaters publicly. That's what cheaters need to have done to them and then you prevent them for participating during guild wars and arena. Let them enjoy the PvE aspect only.

[Harbear]

I like how most posters think it unfair that the whole guild is punished. The last time the Diskussion arose it was during a glitch at the beginning of a gw and i remember people demanding that the whole Guild had to be excluded from war or disbandend and so on. Now that more guilds are affected the punishment which is exactly the same it was then is suddenly too harsh.

It's one thing if the majority of the guild cheats or is OK with knowing a cheat is being used. Some guilds had one person make a rogue move, purchase a bonus, and then leave when questioned.

I have no problem with GREE taking the money that is glitched or rolling back bonuses purchased with that money. Completely wiping all bonuses that took months to build seems a little excessive in these situations. The cheater is not punished if they are allowed to play and will probably hurt other guilds in the future.

I would imagine cheaters will continue to find and use other glitches. People will be much more likely to spend more money in wars knowing they are going up against legit people. Ban them GREE!!

[Dianish]

Im still questioning guilds who always get 3 times more war points than the other top guilds. I doubt they would buy so many gems in a fusion war unless they have the competetion for it.

Not accusing, just questioning how/why they have so many points compared to other guilds.

DK's 1st) 2.400.000+ points
FSK 2nd) 2.100.000+ points
BMG 7th) 535.000+ points

Thats why i question how they do it. I doubt they actually buy the gems.

[Ethanie]

So basically you're saying guilds are immune to the actions of its members. Next time a glitch like this happens, we can make garbage accounts and boost our guild with the only repercussion being a ban on the garbage accounts? Or let's take it even further and get expendable members (i.e. invite new members) to cheat for your guild. If they get banned, oh well no loss to the guild. There are so many ways to attempt cheating with no risk, if the guild is never at fault. At some point in time, the guild has to be responsible for its members and understand the actions that are taking place.

That's like telling me it's your fault that your son got murdered by a robber after a robbery simply because you are the father? :confused:

[Lou 1xxx]

yes, maybe they can share how they do it (triple war points), besides throwing several sackful of gems.

[Biskmatar]

Im still questioning guilds who always get 3 times more war points than the other top guilds. I doubt they would buy so many gems in a fusion war unless they have the competetion for it.

Not accusing, just questioning how/why they have so many points compared to other guilds.

DK's 1st) 2.400.000+ points
FSK 2nd) 2.100.000+ points
BMG 7th) 535.000+ points

Thats why i question how they do it. I doubt they actually buy the gems.

They're gemming hardcore. You have to understand that the top 10 guilds are very dedicated to the game. I was lucky to be picked up by an AMAZING guild with really strong leaders who gem. So I can understand if everyone in that guild is just as dedicated as the leaders in my guild, that their points would be that high.

[Dianish]

They're gemming hardcore. You have to understand that the top 10 guilds are very dedicated to the game. I was lucky to be picked up by an AMAZING guild with really strong leaders who gem. So I can understand if everyone in that guild is just as dedicated as the leaders in my guild, that their points would be that high.

I know there are several dedicated guilds out there.

I only start questioning when some guilds suddenly gain such high amount of points within the first 10 hours and when they dont have the competition thats require so many points.

Im no numbercruncher but its more than 2400 gems within 10 hours. Thats more than dedication.

I do not question BMG - They have fair points.

[Oryihn]

I know there are several dedicated guilds out there.

I only start questioning when some guilds suddenly gain such high amount of points within the first 10 hours and when they dont have the competition thats require so many points.

Im no numbercruncher but its more than 2400 gems within 10 hours. Thats more than dedication.

I do not question BMG - They have fair points.

Means a lot... we are an Honest bunch.

[Paladineguru]

Deathknights are legit. What seems high to you . Is not high to us in top ten. When DK went black medal, they scored the record to date. I think. I'm sure solo knows . But point being. 2mill in points isn't much among 40 players. Only 50k each. So this is slow speed for that level.

[Dianish]

They may be legit. Not saying they are cheaters nor am i saying their are not.

Over 2 mill points is quite normal - For the 3 days wars. Its the sum of points within such short timeframe. And something else that doesnt makes sense is the use of so many gems when its far from needed. 50.000 points is 200 attacks per member - Which is about 500 gems ? I might be mistaken. Math isnt me.

As said.. Im only questioning how and why some can do it. They go from 0-2.5mill instantly. What strikes me most odd is that its only 2 guilds in which one of the, already have been caught cheating( Or at least thats what i recall reading from other threads).

Oh well.. Its fun to watch though :)

[Conget]

Nearly everyone agrees that Gree should perma ban the cheater/hacker/glitch abuser. But what do we do with the guild which gained benefit from the glitch / hack?
* Rollback the guild status to before the cheat happens
All benefits are taken out as before, but it would lead to a 'nothing to lose' attitute of the guild

* Reset the guild to start up
That will puts the guild to ground zero as 'punishment'. However, this would also hugely affect the other members of the guild as well who plays fair all the time.

However, I would suggest to implement a Guild KarmaSystem

GKS is a system which indicates how a certain guild was related to cheats/glitch/hacks (After rollback ofc). GKS can be devided into several phases:

Phase 0: No cheaters were observed in this guild

Phase 1: A cheater was once observed in this guild
The guild was rolled back and other consequences due to the rollback can be seen as 'warning'. No huge negative affect happens in this phase. This applies to guild where the cheat happens only once and 'it happens so fast' that the other guild members didnt have time to realise it.



Phase 2: This guild was once punished before related to cheats
Guardians and Element bonus level were reduced (not all) as punishment to guild which does not react on the cheaters. Also, a certain % (Or amount) from the guild was taken as a fine
This applies to:
- Guilds which was in phase 1 before a new cheater was observed [Punished due to poor guild management]
- Guilds which should had enough time already to react on this cheat [Can go from phase 0 directly to phase 2]



Phase 3: Hard reset of the guild to ground zero
- Guild bonus and guardian were reset.

This applies to:
- Guilds which was already in phase 2 before and a new cheater was observed again after that incident
- Guilds which contains a large amount of obvious cheaters [Directly from phase 0 to phase 3]

[toogoodformyowngood]

They may be legit. Not saying they are cheaters nor am i saying their are not.

Over 2 mill points is quite normal - For the 3 days wars. Its the sum of points within such short timeframe. And something else that doesnt makes sense is the use of so many gems when its far from needed. 50.000 points is 200 attacks per member - Which is about 500 gems ? I might be mistaken. Math isnt me.

As said.. Im only questioning how and why some can do it. They go from 0-2.5mill instantly. What strikes me most odd is that its only 2 guilds in which one of the, already have been caught cheating( Or at least thats what i recall reading from other threads).

Oh well.. Its fun to watch though :)

Haha, it's called hardcore gemming. 2.5mil in 1 day isnt as bad. cuz in 3 day wars that's be about 7.5mil. I think if you really gem all the way. its possible to obtain 20-25k raw points per person per 1 hour battle. With the bonus and team work you could almost hit 1 million in 1 hour if everyone gemed non-stop.