The Rainbow Coalition: Preconceptions & Misconceptions

[Eunuchorn]

I had this conversation with someone on Line messenger, & I find the information presented disturbing.
For any players out there that feel we are "ruining the game", I say it is not our fault that Gree makes the #1 reward to distinct, but we are attempting to spread the wealth & rotate free players to high spenders from the other rainbow guilds (of which we now have 6 functioning smoothly & 4 building).

(Reads Left to Right, top row 1st)
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I invite all players, free & rich alike, to find us on Line & judge us for yourself. All that is required is joining our family of guilds for guaranteed top 10 & chance at being in RR.

[dragonx254]

I honestly wouldn't mind joining.

But sadly I'm on Android, and so........yeah.

[iH8t2lose2]

You messed up a bit botching out his name :-)

[cafedecoy]

Lol, whatever happened to friendly competition? Where's the love?

[Eunuchorn]

Lol, whatever happened to friendly competition? Where's the love?

People wasting far too much money trying to "take us down" when we could all be working together.
Hate > ego > love
😢😂😭


You messed up a bit botching out his name :-)

Long story short, I know :(

[busteroaf]

People wasting far too much money trying to "take us down" when we could all be working together.
Hate > ego > love

So what you're saying is, the sooner you join us the sooner your wallet won't be hurting as badly the next time you get that epic?

[Zyntree]

lol and I thought recruitment threads went somewhere else :p. Hard to argue with success...
and maybe you meant
Hate<ego<love?

Better watch out tho. The Phoenix Knights alliance is rising and has 4 guilds. We're comming for you guys! Mwhahahahahahaha. j/k

[AlbertEvolve]

If we all joined the rainbow - it become an organised procession. Day 1 John gets an epic, day 2 Paul get an epic etc.

Sometimes the journey is the key - the sense that I had to struggle to get something - beat a stronger guy, run faster, organise 39 others to compete against another big guild. That is also part of the fun.

It is probably cheaper in the long run but nowhere near half as fun.

I've been in all the guild wars and gotten all the epics (not the chest - no mael or sky) and I remember good fights against strong guilds like RP or Cent. The epic itself is just the affirmation at the end.

It helps also because the rainbow comes across as arrogant or obsessive. Everyone loves a target but I don't think 160 people across the rainbow guilds could be all bad.

[Eunuchorn]

The drive of competition can only go so far when it's us vs them (players vs company). Friendly competition offers the best reward. The best part about not having a guild chase us for 1st: In guild competition for most points / win per battle etc. RR has maxed all bonuses & we are dropping all our money & alt money into the new guilds. Everyone wants different tiers of war based on how many gems your willing to Buy In with, but that won't solve the problem of guilds with 10-20 spenders & 10-20 nonspenders. Rainbow is trying to solve that. We have a chain to either move up or down based on personal gem count. Always somewhere to go & all the guilds progressing towards top 10.

[cafedecoy]

RR has maxed all bonuses

maxed out all bonuses....? There's an end to bonuses purchase?

[BethMo]

maxed out all bonuses....? There's an end to bonuses purchase?

Yes, 10% is the max, unless Gree changes things once enough guilds reach that point.

[Sparkle_DPA]

Not like it really matters anymore. The game is reaching the end of its lifetime(for those that dont know, you will notice it soon), but we can have one last hoorah next war. Anyone up for a 50m+ point battle? We can switch over to BD or DR afterward mr. eunu, lol.

(btw, that guy u are talking to is a moron. He has 0% game knowledge when it comes to KD and i'm not trolling this time when i say that.)

[leale]

The drive of competition can only go so far when it's us vs them (players vs company). Friendly competition offers the best reward. The best part about not having a guild chase us for 1st: In guild competition for most points / win per battle etc. RR has maxed all bonuses & we are dropping all our money & alt money into the new guilds. Everyone wants different tiers of war based on how many gems your willing to Buy In with, but that won't solve the problem of guilds with 10-20 spenders & 10-20 nonspenders. Rainbow is trying to solve that. We have a chain to either move up or down based on personal gem count. Always somewhere to go & all the guilds progressing towards top 10.

So essentially what you're advocating for is a class based, tiered, dictatorship, where eunuchorn and the 'hierarchy' deem who does and does not get the prize each week. Where revolution (competing with this dictatorship) is deemed in support of or in favour of the infidels (GREE).

Countries go into revolt and people lay down their lives in an effort to retain the right to choose their own future rather than having their lives dictated by an individual of power. So I can see why people would be happy to spend more in a game to compete rather than letting one person control the game and decide every outcome within it.

I'm not on iOS so it does not affect me and I'm sure everyone in RR are just dandy people but I can definitely see why people would rather group up and stand up to a dictatorship even if this gets them labeled "mercenaries" as opposed to allowing a game community structure akin to something out of the movies Equilibrium or Gattaca.

[busteroaf]

So essentially what you're advocating for is a class based, tiered, dictatorship, where eunuchorn and the 'hierarchy' deem who does and does not get the prize each week. Where revolution (competing with this dictatorship) is deemed in support of or in favour of the infidels (GREE).

Countries go into revolt and people lay down their lives in an effort to retain the right to choose their own future rather than having their lives dictated by an individual of power. So I can see why people would be happy to spend more in a game to compete rather than letting one person control the game and decide every outcome within it.

I'm not on iOS so it does not affect me and I'm sure everyone in RR are just dandy people but I can definitely see why people would rather group up and stand up to a dictatorship even if this gets them labeled "mercenaries" as opposed to allowing a game community structure akin to something out of the movies Equilibrium or Gattaca.

So, you'd rather stand up to the "dictatorship" that is the Rainbow Coalition, just to forge your own future where you'd (if you were on iOS) continually spend way more than necessary to get 2nd or 3rd? We're trying to "take over" as to alleviate the need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars trying to unsuccessfully take us down, only to get the 2nd or 3rd best prize. Soon enough, people won't even get that. Yeah, that makes sense. Keep fighting the good fight. We're all wanting to spend less, and controlling the top tiers of prizes will only make everyone spend less in the long run.

[taylor1993]

So, you'd rather stand up to the "dictatorship" that is the Rainbow Coalition, just to forge your own future where you'd (if you were on iOS) continually spend way more than necessary to get 2nd or 3rd? We're trying to "take over" as to alleviate the need to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars trying to unsuccessfully take us down, only to get the 2nd or 3rd best prize. Soon enough, people won't even get that. Yeah, that makes sense. Keep fighting the good fight. We're all wanting to spend less, and controlling the top tiers of prizes will only make everyone spend less in the long run.

Still he makes a point though. It is a form of dictatorship. While you maybe be trying to justify it with solid logic, it is at its core a generally bad idea. I enjoy the chase. The upcoming war should be fun. Sometimes its about the thrill of the hunt and some good friendly competition.

[Eunuchorn]

Still he makes a point though. It is a form of dictatorship. While you maybe be trying to justify it with solid logic, it is at its core a generally bad idea. I enjoy the chase. The upcoming war should be fun. Sometimes its about the thrill of the hunt and some good friendly competition.

It's a bad idea to try & help players who normally wouldn't get top 10, have a chance to help build a growing community, & have a chance at getting epic+?

A dictatorship? Not really. It's no different than having a "feeder" guild, except in this case we don't screw over the feeder by taking their only real scorers. Not everyone wants to spend $500 on gems once a month on war, & forming mercenary guilds to try & take us down one time is just going to drive players to quit the game when they don't succeed. & even if they do succeed, will all those same members spend just as much or more a month later to try again? Its unlikely. & whether that guild wins or not, Rainbow Coalition will still be here.
We are offering everyone in game a place to call home & when you feel like spending 2000 gems for a certain war armor, we will find a way to rotate you into RR.

[taylor1993]

It's a bad idea to try & help players who normally wouldn't get top 10, have a chance to help build a growing community, & have a chance at getting epic+?

A dictatorship? Not really. It's no different than having a "feeder" guild, except in this case we don't screw over the feeder by taking their only real scorers. Not everyone wants to spend $500 on gems once a month on war, & forming mercenary guilds to try & take us down one time is just going to drive players to quit the game when they don't succeed. & even if they do succeed, will all those same members spend just as much or more a month later to try again? Its unlikely. & whether that guild wins or not, Rainbow Coalition will still be here.
We are offering everyone in game a place to call home & when you feel like spending 2000 gems for a certain war armor, we will find a way to rotate you into RR.

I see your point. Like I said while based on solid logic. It's technically a dictatorship. Your trying to round up all of the players in the game into your backyard. Whether you would admit it or not, it is to help your guilds succeed by pulling all of the gem spenders under your flag effectively eliminating all competition. It is a good idea as I said but some friendly competition never hurts :D

[busteroaf]

I see your point. Like I said while based on solid logic. It's technically a dictatorship. Your trying to round up all of the players in the game into your backyard. Whether you would admit it or not, it is to help your guilds succeed by pulling all of the gem spenders under your flag effectively eliminating all competition. It is a good idea as I said but some friendly competition never hurts :D

There is still friendly competition between the guilds. Hell, we've got races between the newest guilds to see which one can level first.

Our friendly competition costs a hell of a lot less than other people's though.

[Eunuchorn]

No one likes paying money to carry other people. We are eliminating that problem

[jon_funzio]

No one likes paying money to carry other people. We are eliminating that problem

Hear hear.

I agree that the real enemies of the game are those people who use photo-shop, lies and half-truths to try and get something for nothing. Something for the "free-loaders" (thieves?) to consider, the Oxford Dictionary defines fraud as:

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Whilst Merriam-Webster adds:

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For GMs or recruitment officers interested in adding to a growing blacklist, PM me.

[Sarah 101]

Conspiracy Theory is every where ..

[taylor1993]

There is still friendly competition between the guilds. Hell, we've got races between the newest guilds to see which one can level first.

Our friendly competition costs a hell of a lot less than other people's though.

True for your lower guilds, whether amongst yourselfs or not. But not for Rainbow Room. The competition for RR seems to be thinning out every war. I mean watching the top 7-8 battle it out but what good is a pay-per-view fight without a main event :D What your doing with lower level players is great. You take them in and help them progress at an exponetial rate. In the case of your guilds it is a necessary dictatorship to keep it all in order.

[TheStig]

I like the RR. Without you the game would surely be a lot more boring.

I guess some People like to be told what to do and when to do it. Even in a game which should
be fun.
Personally I would rather miss out on the Epic+

When the day comes where RR coalition takes 1-10th place, this game is no longer for me.

So I know this comment just show I do not umderstand what RR is doing. That the great plan
Has not been grasped by me.. .

Well I dont Care. Cause i don't have to.

[busteroaf]

Its not being told what to do and when to do it. Its being told "join us, and you can spend less and get more" but I guess people still don't grasp that concept.

[Olgar]

There is still friendly competition between the guilds. Hell, we've got races between the newest guilds to see which one can level first.

Our friendly competition costs a hell of a lot less than other people's though.

wow , which guild can lvl first... i mean.. WOW!

[Sparkle_DPA]

Did i already mention that the person eunu is talking to in that pic is a complete clown? I think I did. Just making sure :P

[TheStig]

Olgar - LOL

[C04dy]

The game wouldn't be what it was without the rainbow coalition. Seems everyone loves drama, and to hate on us so bad.
Is there really anything wrong with a group of powerful guilds full of people who love competition and the game? Who ruined the game? Maybe the competition trying to take out first who either ran out of money or got sick of being second.

[Pwept]

Problem I see is whats the point in being in a non RR guild when you camp top 10. Going to end up driving ppl away. But that might be your plan to keep competition away. Either way its just wrong if you do it. May you rot in hell for it.

[AlbertEvolve]

The game wouldn't be what it was without the rainbow coalition. Seems everyone loves drama, and to hate on us so bad.
Is there really anything wrong with a group of powerful guilds full of people who love competition and the game? Who ruined the game? Maybe the competition trying to take out first who either ran out of money or got sick of being second.

Firstly not many people really hate rainbow room. It is more a case of competition and excitement and some rivalry. There is a saying that you are defined by who your enemies are. And rr has had some big challengers.

We just don't agree with your philosophy. We understand it but imagine how would the game be like if every war each rr member goes into a battle and fights a gm wearing no armor. 3 hits and battle won. Now repeat 200 times per battle and 90 times 200 over 4 days.

At the end of that 4 days spent 500 bucks and get an epic plus.

Sorry but I just don't get the enjoyment part of this. I'm sure some people in rr must be raring to get into a real frenzy battle where both sides are trying to outwit each other.

Just 2 cents worth

[C04dy]

Albert, did rr start the 1gm farm? I believe we were in third.. Wonder how it was possible for untouchables and dpa having an insane start. Once we found out what was going on.. Do you think it would be fair for us to just not do the same? Hell no!
We do what it takes to win, if that means gree can't fix the 1armour gm farm everyone in top 5 if not 10 is going to do it.
It comes down to gems, if we had to face epics all day we would still win. Gree makes more
Money when we can spend gems quicker why would they fix it.
Don't blame us blame gree.

[The Pale Rider]

Albert, did rr start the 1gm farm? I believe we were in third.. Wonder how it was possible for untouchables and dpa having an insane start. Once we found out what was going on.. Do you think it would be fair for us to just not do the same? Hell no!
We do what it takes to win, if that means gree can't fix the 1armour gm farm everyone in top 5 if not 10 is going to do it.
It comes down to gems, if we had to face epics all day we would still win. Gree makes more
Money when we can spend gems quicker why would they fix it.
Don't blame us blame gree.

The flaw in RR's positioning of its scheme as players versus GREE is that the prizes are only useful against other players. It's self-serving to present the scheme as somehow opposing GREEs model (by allowing RR to win prizes at lower cost) for the benefit of anyone other than RR. The argument that RR rotates people in for prizes is also pretty weak. IF ALL PLAYERS WITH TOP ARMOR ARE WORKING TOGETHER THERE IS NO GAME.

Friendly competition and made up races to level guilds or armor is not the game. What has happened is the game has devolved into strictly a competition to attract and retain gem spenders. That's a lot of effort (and drama) for the guild organizers, but not all that much fun. Reading the Line chats about this stuff is boring as all get out.

Compare how much fun the single GM farming, coalition building, rotating spenders model is to the first GW before all that was in place. Which did you enjoy more?

[C04dy]

You realize rotating in other coalition members is for their gain not rr's,
That's just how strong rr is. They can rotate 3 non spenders in every war and still win.
I'm not gonna bother even checking back here, it's rediculous haha.

Can't beat em, Join em.

[MoD DeathShadow]

So everyone who has created a guild and built it up over the past months should just disband their guild if they ever hope to crack top ten? RR plans on and really alreaxy has monopolized the top spots so it just makes everyone elses work put in for months pointless. Other guilds would love to top ten on their own without spending $500 bucks. But thats not possible now because of RR.
I started a guild the day they were released and have had alot of fun building it up. Even through the spyers and hijackers. We have put togeter a fun community in MoD. And now RR is basically saying if me or my guild members ever want to win a war epic we need to disband and give up on the hard work we put in here, and join them. Thats not right. We should have a fair shake at it too. But thats life i suppose. What RR says to every other guild master out there who has also put in months of hard work, just disband your guikd and community if u want go win a war epic too. Thats ridiculous

[The Pale Rider]

So everyone who has created a guild and built it up over the past months should just disband their guild if they ever hope to crack top ten? RR plans on and really alreaxy has monopolized the top spots so it just makes everyone elses work put in for months pointless. Other guilds would love to top ten on their own without spending $500 bucks. But thats not possible now because of RR.
I started a guild the day they were released and have had alot of fun building it up. Even through the spyers and hijackers. We have put togeter a fun community in MoD. And now RR is basically saying if me or my guild members ever want to win a war epic we need to disband and give up on the hard work we put in here, and join them. Thats not right. We should have a fair shake at it too. But thats life i suppose. What RR says to every other guild master out there who has also put in months of hard work, just disband your guikd and community if u want go win a war epic too. Thats ridiculous

Well not quite disbanding. They are saying particpate in the coalition and ask to have one or two players come over to their guild to get an epic in any given war.

But it certainly effects the team building a lot to have players guild jumping to RR for armor this way. They likely don't come back and other members want to go. It's disruptive.

[C04dy]

Omg I came back!
So basically what I'm understanding, is rr ruined the game, made it
To expensive?
Because rr wants #1 and second place pushes them to spend more to win, oh yah that's Rainbow rooms fault .
I wonder why this game is not greeds top income?
I'm thinking it's because there's only been two-three teams who push during a whole war.
It's ok that some guilds only want top ten, is it really rr's fault for being overpowered ?
The 1armour gm farm was brought to grees attentions by Eunu. Why? Because it's ruining the game/ no skill needed.
RR is all about competition. It's just most who want to compete watch the leaderboard trying to avoid matching , because they will loose.

[MoD DeathShadow]

Omg I came back!
So basically what I'm understanding, is rr ruined the game, made it
To expensive?
Because rr wants #1 and second place pushes them to spend more to win, oh yah that's Rainbow rooms fault .
I wonder why this game is not greeds top income?
I'm thinking it's because there's only been two-three teams who push during a whole war.
It's ok that some guilds only want top ten, is it really rr's fault for being overpowered ?
The 1armour gm farm was brought to grees attentions by Eunu. Why? Because it's ruining the game/ no skill needed.
RR is all about competition. It's just most who want to compete watch the leaderboard trying to avoid matching , because they will loose.

Its not second place pushing them to spend more cuz they are also secod place. They r most if not all of the top ten. So they spend what it takes to take all the top ten spots and the rezt of us fight for crappy legendary armor which is worse than current epic boss armor

[michwlvrins]

Your excited that your GM is one of the laziest in the game? He leads by example right? No, wait. Thats not him/her, whatever "it" is. "It" barely scores past 20-30k while the constant revolving door of members keep winning "it" the prize. Why? Why wouldn't you just have your own guild devoid of "it"? Heck, I can give you a level 50+ guild with 7% bonuses across the board. RR's GM leads by example at least. EunuchoRRn might not be the highest scorer, but he's always in the top of the boards. Never, ever, near half-way or the bottom. As far as hating him, chances are you don't know him. All the things you hear are not anywhere near true. But you go ahead and sit there in your guild with a very confused, worthless, lazy GM leading you. We will push you out of the top 10 because you aren't worthy. Others will make better use of the epic prize.

[II King Mark II]

If I remember correctly, there were only 2 Rainbow guilds in top 10. Rainbow Room & Rug. Feel free to correct me if in wrong.

As for the post, if u analyze it clearly, Eunutroll has a point, BUT, it's self serving. As far as I can tell, he's changing his approach in the game because the last couple of major wars have been very costly for them, and that's just for a mere epic+ with 200 or so stats difference. Well, compare it to more than $500 you spend in a major war, exclude the chests and all, then yeah it's a money drain. Basically, it's using other guilds for their own quest of getting to top.

As to what other observers said, not everyone hates RR, but in the same token, not everyone likes them. Truth is, people hating on some of them isn't for no reason. It's not even their own conspiracies that it's because they're top so and so that people hate on them. It's because of being too arrogant and egoistic which some of them fail to see. Guess that's what happens when one is so full of himself. Fails to see things outside their egos.

As for the next war, well good luck with RR for possibly spending more than $1,000 each player who could afford to retain top 1, which this time I strongly doubt. Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year is coming and there are better things for lots of people to spend their money to. Bottom line, he needs new recruits to keep his pride and ego being top intact, because if he loses, we'd be seeing people jumping ships out from RR.

Just my 2 cents and again, good luck outspending at least one guild who's got more gems reserved than you guys ^^ It's going to be another money drain for RR players and I'd think twice before I spend in RR for this war as I sense a different outcome coming next major war. This time, not at all in favor of Rainbow. I'm predicting an end of another era =)

I'd say, let all other guilds have fun, spend their own gems, choose the leaders they like and sorry, I'd rather recommend the other guilds in top 10 which aren't part of Rainbow Coalition.

Cheers!
KM

[Leo.]

Great reasoning in this posts, wouldn't be surprised if Gree changed the GW fill-up bar from 10 gems to 40 because of this collusion ;)

[busteroaf]

So everyone who has created a guild and built it up over the past months should just disband their guild if they ever hope to crack top ten? RR plans on and really alreaxy has monopolized the top spots so it just makes everyone elses work put in for months pointless. Other guilds would love to top ten on their own without spending $500 bucks. But thats not possible now because of RR.
I started a guild the day they were released and have had alot of fun building it up. Even through the spyers and hijackers. We have put togeter a fun community in MoD. And now RR is basically saying if me or my guild members ever want to win a war epic we need to disband and give up on the hard work we put in here, and join them. Thats not right. We should have a fair shake at it too. But thats life i suppose. What RR says to every other guild master out there who has also put in months of hard work, just disband your guikd and community if u want go win a war epic too. Thats ridiculous

So, the fact that RR is #1 is why you spend more? Did no one notice in the last war with people boycotting, people spent less? Did RR push the other top 10 people to spend more? No. RR will be #1 regardless, its the people that are fighting for 2-10 that even make them spend in the first place.

[busteroaf]

If I remember correctly, there were only 2 Rainbow guilds in top 10. Rainbow Room & Rug. Feel free to correct me if in wrong.

As for the post, if u analyze it clearly, Eunutroll has a point, BUT, it's self serving. As far as I can tell, he's changing his approach in the game because the last couple of major wars have been very costly for them, and that's just for a mere epic+ with 200 or so stats difference. Well, compare it to more than $500 you spend in a major war, exclude the chests and all, then yeah it's a money drain. Basically, it's using other guilds for their own quest of getting to top.

As to what other observers said, not everyone hates RR, but in the same token, not everyone likes them. Truth is, people hating on some of them isn't for no reason. It's not even their own conspiracies that it's because they're top so and so that people hate on them. It's because of being too arrogant and egoistic which some of them fail to see. Guess that's what happens when one is so full of himself. Fails to see things outside their egos.

As for the next war, well good luck with RR for possibly spending more than $1,000 each player who could afford to retain top 1, which this time I strongly doubt. Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year is coming and there are better things for lots of people to spend their money to. Bottom line, he needs new recruits to keep his pride and ego being top intact, because if he loses, we'd be seeing people jumping ships out from RR.

Just my 2 cents and again, good luck outspending at least one guild who's got more gems reserved than you guys ^^ It's going to be another money drain for RR players and I'd think twice before I spend in RR for this war as I sense a different outcome coming next major war. This time, not at all in favor of Rainbow. I'm predicting an end of another era =)

I'd say, let all other guilds have fun, spend their own gems, choose the leaders they like and sorry, I'd rather recommend the other guilds in top 10 which aren't part of Rainbow Coalition.

Cheers!
KM

Didn't you claim your guild was going to dethrone RR last time? I'm predicting you're going to fail just like always. Go back into hiding.

[Eunuchorn]

Top 10 will require money. End of story. Money players will, over time, leave their guilds of half non-spenders & look for paying guilds. I'm creating a community of people working together rather than having cut throat tactics between paying guilds.

[The Pale Rider]

Don't misundertand what I wrote please. I think RR has done a remarkable job to establish itself at the top and stay there. I have nothing to say about that at all. Eun has been proven to be the best at winning within the parameters of the game from start to finish.

My point was simply that I see a lot of disingenuous marketing going on about RR is good for everyone, good for the game and somehow hurting GREE. It's not.

[Eunuchorn]

That's my point though PR, the disingenuous marketing is only helping Gree. In the other Gree games it is worth paying for #2, #3, & #4-10. In K&D there's almost no difference between 2-10; this makes #1 the only truly realistic goal for "serious" players.
That is Greed fault & they're slowly working to fix it, like we saw in BF+ reward. Right now people are playing right into Grees hands paying exorbitant amounts of money for nothing. Trying to overtake us as a single guild will only lose 1-2 members at a time, struggling to maintain a huge gem requirement just to beat us. We are offering an organized system of tiers based on a players personal gem budget.

[The Pale Rider]

That's my point though PR, the disingenuous marketing is only helping Gree. In the other Gree games it is worth paying for #2, #3, & #4-10. In K&D there's almost no difference between 2-10; this makes #1 the only truly realistic goal for "serious" players.
That is Greed fault & they're slowly working to fix it, like we saw in BF+ reward. Right now people are playing right into Grees hands paying exorbitant amounts of money for nothing. Trying to overtake us as a single guild will only lose 1-2 members at a time, struggling to maintain a huge gem requirement just to beat us. We are offering an organized system of tiers based on a players personal gem budget.

I agree with the fix you suggest of improving rewards for finishing 2-3 or 2-10. It is a flaw in GREEs game mechanics given the advantages inherent in epic+ armor.

I understand your offer, but I think it leads inevitably to a contest that is not a contest which defeats the point of playing the game. I am not saying you or RR or your offer is the problem (I agree it's GREE's game mechanics). But I don't agree with you that your offer represents any kind of solution either.

You solved the problem of how to be top guild forever at the least cost to you. That's impressive, but the result is boring. Why play a game where the outcome is known before you play?

[II King Mark II]

Didn't you claim your guild was going to dethrone RR last time? I'm predicting you're going to fail just like always. Go back into hiding.

When did I claim my baby guild was going to dethrone RR? Lol! What are you smoking again Busterroaf? Well, you're not even in RR anymore to even talk like you're going to be relevant to them next major war. You're just a mere minion useful when you have enough gems, you're out if you don't ^^

Point is, RR has an opponent who's got double the gems reserved and who's going to make your ex-guild spend more than ever ^^ Thus, Eunutroll's sudden pitch in the forums for, "helping the community, rotating the epics to players, etc." Most people aren't buying this PR move so top 3-10 can keep spending the way they want too, while top 1-2 goes for 50 million points next war =) That is if RR could even go for 50m points. ^^

Again, I won't suggest joining this coalition at all. Join DPA, Evolve, Konoha, Centurion and those other top 10 guilds NOT part of this so called coalition. Those guys have class, really nice group of people and not users. You'd have more fun playing the game with those guilds and players.

[Eunuchorn]

The usual hearsay & slander from KM. That aside, no one is arguing those guilds are not viable & won't be there for a long time or more. Every war players retire. Our retirees become top scorers in lower guilds. Everyone moved up. I didn't invent a system to stay #1 forever, my members will decide that. But unlike what KM loves to preach, we are congenial & far more helpful than we have to be. Sparkle asked me today why I formed an alliance with so many weak guilds (top 250, pale riders among many others). I said its because I have no ego & to mock the armor drop system. Am I expected to be an Ahole who is out to screw everyone only because I GM the #1 guild? I see no reason to not help any guild unlucky enough to face us in battle (especially a top 150 guild) & if Gree wants to employ broken systems, of which I started a thread solving the problem before it existed, then by all means, let's break it. RR has been taking losses from other Rainbow guilds since war 1, but it was these "guilds filled with good guys" that took exchanged GM farming to such an abusive level. I'm only creating a monopoly because I have to. More & more players are finding us on Line every day & I need somewhere to put them.

I suspect this FB war will be testing an armor locking mechanic of some sort, & so these non-rainbow coalitions may very well be useless from here on out. & should RR ever come in 2nd or even 3rd, I can assure you, King Mark, no one is jumping ship. & I haven't played this game for a year because I'm the GM of #1 guild. I'm not going anywhere & neither is the Rainbow.

[busteroaf]

When did I claim my baby guild was going to dethrone RR? Lol! What are you smoking again Busterroaf? Well, you're not even in RR anymore to even talk like you're going to be relevant to them next major war. You're just a mere minion useful when you have enough gems, you're out if you don't ^^

Point is, RR has an opponent who's got double the gems reserved and who's going to make your ex-guild spend more than ever ^^ Thus, Eunutroll's sudden pitch in the forums for, "helping the community, rotating the epics to players, etc." Most people aren't buying this PR move so top 3-10 can keep spending the way they want too, while top 1-2 goes for 50 million points next war =) That is if RR could even go for 50m points. ^^

Again, I won't suggest joining this coalition at all. Join DPA, Evolve, Konoha, Centurion and those other top 10 guilds NOT part of this so called coalition. Those guys have class, really nice group of people and not users. You'd have more fun playing the game with those guilds and players.

Like Eun said. More Mark trying to bash what he can never hope to accomplish.

And my apologies, I must have mistook one of your minions who claimed his guild was going to take down RR, and their GM was you. Or all the times you've said that RR wouldn't be #1 and yet they continue to stay that way.

Yes, true, I'm not in RR anymore. But I still have a front row seat to watch them stay #1. But I'm some poor lackey who hasn't chosen on his own to move down and help some of the lower guilds get a better footprint into the higher ranks of guild wars. Nope, I was kicked out, just like all the others. Right Eun?

I'm intrigued by this mystery shadow guild that magically from nowhere and has a double stock of gems, ready to take down RR. We don't even know its name yet. I'll believe it when I see it.

For now, go back to being a Sparkle copycat with your avatar and your second, third, or fourth account like you claim everyone else has. How is that original banned account doing for you? Funny that you still have a perma-ban while everyone else is magically back in action. Apparently even the Gree Forums hates you.

[AlbertEvolve]

Your excited that your GM is one of the laziest in the game? He leads by example right? No, wait. Thats not him/her, whatever "it" is. "It" barely scores past 20-30k while the constant revolving door of members keep winning "it" the prize. Why? Why wouldn't you just have your own guild devoid of "it"? Heck, I can give you a level 50+ guild with 7% bonuses across the board. RR's GM leads by example at least. EunuchoRRn might not be the highest scorer, but he's always in the top of the boards. Never, ever, near half-way or the bottom. As far as hating him, chances are you don't know him. All the things you hear are not anywhere near true. But you go ahead and sit there in your guild with a very confused, worthless, lazy GM leading you. We will push you out of the top 10 because you aren't worthy. Others will make better use of the epic prize.

Hey dude, I think Eun has been a great strategist for this game and that is why he is the number 1 gm in the game. As for adex I don't need to defend him either. Evolve has been top 10 since the start and may drop out over time. I just disagree with the top 10 guilds all being RCoalition and the marketing around it. Hence the debate.

What happens when there are 11 rainbow guilds? Take turns to drop out of epic? More importantly the game part if the game goes.

And yes gree has many faults but they have fixed many things as well. So chill out

[Eunuchorn]

Top 25 is easy with a close knit active group of free players across a span of time zones. This isn't an overnight process, guilds are being built & tiered with 2 ranges of gem use. Essentially all the guilds will be balanced in spending. It's like I said, 2-10 is the same. There will be as many rainbow guilds as there need to be. Free players are happy to have a family on Line & be part of something big. I'm a peacemaker, not a dictator. I'm building up guilds so that as more spenders gain levels & look for high quality guilds, or people leave their current guild for whatever reason, will have somewhere to go. (Without losing too many element bonuses)
Just do a search of "Rainbow" guilds. Most of those aren't mine (The Rainbow Pee for example) but I'm slowly getting these people (who don't know the forum exists) on Line & into K&D communities they never knew existed.

[EljayK]

Eunny, I really hate to say it;

Your general trollishness and rampant discouraging is non-existent when you set your mind to a task that you believe to be in the benefit of the greater good. This scares me more than a dictator. The greatest evils have been accomplished by those of the best intentions.

For the record though: I'm neither in support, nor opposed, to the idea as presented. There are merits, and there are disadvantages, to both perspectives. I have no inclination towards either currently, and will go where the tide flows.

[The Pale Rider]

Eunny, I really hate to say it;

Your general trollishness and rampant discouraging is non-existent when you set your mind to a task that you believe to be in the benefit of the greater good. This scares me more than a dictator. The greatest evils have been accomplished by those of the best intentions.

For the record though: I'm neither in support, nor opposed, to the idea as presented. There are merits, and there are disadvantages, to both perspectives. I have no inclination towards either currently, and will go where the tide flows.

How's everything going on the neutral planet, your neutralness?

[EljayK]

How's everything going on the neutral planet, your neutralness?

Been better, been worse. I have no strong feeling towards it

[Eunuchorn]

Been better, been worse. I have no strong feeling towards it
LoL!

Thanks Eljay, I will take what you said as a compliment.
The world around us is changing very fast. Remember The Eunuchorn.

For the record, all of my trolling is geared towards getting people to try & think. It just doesn't work out so well most of the time.

Rainbow Hugs!

[Sparkle_DPA]

I'm intrigued by this mystery shadow guild that magically from nowhere and has a double stock of gems, ready to take down RR. We don't even know its name yet. I'll believe it when I see it.



Its DPA busteroaf :P. Almost all the top 10 guilds know at this point.

[EljayK]

LoL!

Thanks Eljay, I will take what you said as a compliment.
The world around us is changing very fast. Remember The Eunuchorn.

For the record, all of my trolling is geared towards getting people to try & think. It just doesn't work out so well most of the time.

Rainbow Hugs!

I still have screenshots of you saying you like me. I intend to compile all of this into a blackmailing propaganda campaign to worm my way into RR as a F2P for a GW.

[taylor1993]

Its DPA busteroaf :P. Almost all the top 10 guilds know at this point.

It should be a fun war! :D

[Eunuchorn]

No blackmail necessary, want to GM a baby rainbow guild for me?

[busteroaf]

Its DPA busteroaf :P. Almost all the top 10 guilds know at this point.

I really hope you're kidding, for your own sake. If Mark was in my guild, I'd quit and never come back.

[taylor1993]

I really hope you're kidding, for your own sake. If Mark was in my guild, I'd quit and never come back.

No one has said anything about him being in our guild. You two have a strong distain for each other apparently. Why would you quit and never come back?

[template]

Having seen both sides of the equation now, what I would say is that any hatred/disdain for RR and the coalition is probably unfair.

What I have seen is an organised community which has members moving around to make sure that smaller guilds get levelled up faster and gold pumped into these smaller guilds to get their bonuses up so that newer and lower-level members have a little more advantage when levelling.

As for the point re spending: it makes sense if the price of wars can be better controlled and that's probably for everyone's benefit. Having to spend less means a lower chance of burnout from the game and that allows more of the regulars to keep playing. Sure, competition is always a fun challenge but not if it eventually becomes a pyrrhic victory for everyone involved.

Also, in terms of pushing for top spot amongst the bigger guilds, there really aren't that many guilds which are able to or claim they will be able to in the past few wars. Looking at the results, it really does look like 1 or at most 2 guilds will push that hard while everyone else is just trying to ensure their top 10 spot. An arrangement which leads to lower spending amongst the top guilds really should be for everyone's benefit if you think about it, outside of the 1 or 2 guilds which think they can get number 1.

And to be fair to RR, I don't think they drove up gem spending in wars. That is always going to be a function of how hard a challenger pushes RR in a war and the response that comes as a result.

[Sparkle_DPA]

Also, in terms of pushing for top spot amongst the bigger guilds, there really aren't that many guilds which are able to or claim they will be able to in the past few wars. Looking at the results, it really does look like 1 or at most 2 guilds will push that hard while everyone else is just trying to ensure their top 10 spot.

That is one of the many reasons why I keep saying the game wont last much longer. Almost everyone I know is already starting to look for a different game to move over to later on, aka DR or BD. Trying my best not to sound negative, but its just how everything is going right now, and the funny part about it is gree isnt even aware, hence the 0 changes to the game. They are clueless about everything. There is such an easy solution to fix all the current problems but of course, they cant think of it...

[template]

That is one of the many reasons why I keep saying the game wont last much longer. Almost everyone I know is already starting to look for a different game to move over to later on, aka DR or BD. Trying my best not to sound negative, but its just how everything is going right now, and the funny part about it is gree isnt even aware, hence the 0 changes to the game. They are clueless about everything. There is such an easy solution to fix all the current problems but of course, they cant think of it...

I don't think that's the correct analysis though. Just because most of the top 15 or so guilds aren't prepared to spend the amount required to beat RR's score in the past 2 wars doesn't mean the game is dying, it just means that the price to be number 1 is too high for their tastes. They could very well be happy just being top 10 at a more manageable price and, quite frankly, Eunu is right in that there's little difference between being number 2 and number 10.

Could Gree fix the game or make it better? Yes, but this is probably not the thread for that discussion.

[Sparkle_DPA]

No one is going to keep paying to stay the same rank, thats not how this game works especially with all the ego's floating around, and kd is already at that stage, beginning with un. Gree should be taking that as a warning, but hey, like i said, they probably dont know whats going on. It'll be more clear soon, just give the game 1 more month and you will see what i mean >:O.

[PedroPimples]

That is one of the many reasons why I keep saying the game wont last much longer. Almost everyone I know is already starting to look for a different game to move over to later on, aka DR or BD. Trying my best not to sound negative, but its just how everything is going right now, and the funny part about it is gree isnt even aware, hence the 0 changes to the game. They are clueless about everything. There is such an easy solution to fix all the current problems but of course, they cant think of it...

Gree have never wanted there games to last. They want people to join, spend big, then move on to the next game they release. They are fully aware of what is happening, and they are happy to see it.
It's why they have such disdain for crime city players. They wanted that game shut soon after they bought out funzio, yet the spenders are to high spending, far more than any of the new games to just close it down.

[Hildigam]

Plus this week there were over 100k players participating in the arena. Not a sign that people are quitting in droves since the last time i tested there were only 70k ish.

Think about it. 30k people that generate 1dollar for gree generates more income than 40people putting in 500usd. The war rewards are pbviously for the whales/serious cashers but there are a lot more people out there spening 5 dollars that dwarf them.

[Sparkle_DPA]

^No one cares about the f2p players, especially gree. Im talking about the highest gem spending guilds aka rr, un, dpa, cents, etc etc.

And pedro, if they really do want the game to die off quick, than they are more ridiculous than i imagined.

[PedroPimples]

Why is that?
Gree earns over $100mil profit a year, doesn't sound so ridiculous. Do you know how they earn most of there money?

They charges developers a very large fee in exchange for marketing and distribution support, along with analytical tools to help developers induce players to spend money.

If other gaming company's pay them that much to help them induce players to spend money, they must know what they are doing.

[EljayK]

No blackmail necessary, want to GM a baby rainbow guild for me?

The offer is nice, but I'm enjoying my guild. We have a good chemistry, and I want to push the limits of what we can do until we have nothing left to give.

[KOA]

To be quite frank, competition = fun. If one is trying to disband competition, then one is essentially removing fun from the game.

Let's assume that in a perfect rainbow world, the top 10 was full of rainbow guilds. I'd find it hard to believe you wouldn't eventually get bored of the game. Currently, the competition within guild wars is what makes each and every Gree game.

Without challenge, there is no purpose - KOA

[PedroPimples]

Not always true. Some people have such huge egos that they have to be number 1. Wether they have any competition or not all they want to see Is there own name in shining lights.
So if they can create a top 10 purely of RR it'd make themselves feel even more self important and warm and fuzzy inside.

[Sparkle_DPA]

mmmmm, I disagree. Competition is what makes the game fun, period. Last war was a joke and everyone knows it, and the reason? There was 0 competition. The war before it was much more exciting, and this is coming from players, not from myself, because dpa was fighting for #3(well, kinda) and un and rr were closely matched at 1/2. This next big war will be the final one that has competition. After that, it will all end, unless gree fixes their broken design.

[PedroPimples]

If they wanted competition they wouldn't be trying to eliminate it. They just want to be famous.
For what it's worth I agree that competition is what make the game fun.

[Hildigam]

^No one cares about the f2p players, especially gree. Im talking about the highest gem spending guilds aka rr, un, dpa, cents, etc etc.

And pedro, if they really do want the game to die off quick, than they are more ridiculous than i imagined.

Cause noone is scaling rewards for events so that you get something for 50 gems which costs 8 bucks for the 75pack. Yup, gree isnt trying to get any f2p players to fork over a ten-spot.

[taylor1993]

Cause noone is scaling rewards for events so that you get something for 50 gems which costs 8 bucks for the 75pack. Yup, gree isnt trying to get any f2p players to fork over a ten-spot.

That is such a minimal amount of gems though. In the larger realm of things, gree cares nothing for the non-gem spenders.

[Harry.hill52]

I honestly find this upsetting, I recently tried to join the rainbow coalition and out of all the guilds i've applied for they treated me with the most respect. For example the moment i told the dark prince's alliance recruiter I didn't spend many gems he stopped all communications. Whereas, the members of RR and RP who I spoke to respected the fact I was trying to be a conservative gem spender.
HarryoftheHill

[taylor1993]

I honestly find this upsetting, I recently tried to join the rainbow coalition and out of all the guilds i've applied for they treated me with the most respect. For example the moment i told the dark prince's alliance recruiter I didn't spend many gems he stopped all communications. Whereas, the members of RR and RP who I spoke to respected the fact I was trying to be a conservative gem spender.
HarryoftheHill

Who did you speak with from DPA? With that being said DPA is not a coalition such as RR. We don't have any room currently for lower gem spenders due to us being highly competitive. It's just our requirement.

[Harry.hill52]

Who did you speak with from DPA? With that being said DPA is not a coalition such as RR. We don't have any room currently for lower gem spenders due to us being highly competitive. It's just our requirement.
someone with the line name KOA

[Hildigam]

That is such a minimal amount of gems though. In the larger realm of things, gree cares nothing for the non-gem spenders.

I think you overestimate your importace there buddy. During wars they get a chunk of change yes we all know that. But outside? A great number have sworn off chest cause the probabilities are so low. Bit if they can get even 10k of the 100k players to spend 8 dollars.... Then you have the money for gree in between wars. Just cause the players aren't on LINE or on forum doesn't mean they don't spend.

Immentioned it a while ago, they care very much about the f2p people, but in a way that gets them to spend money.

[The Pale Rider]

There's also a lot of revenue from offers which is predominantly f2p players.

[taylor1993]

I think you overestimate your importace there buddy. During wars they get a chunk of change yes we all know that. But outside? A great number have sworn off chest cause the probabilities are so low. Bit if they can get even 10k of the 100k players to spend 8 dollars.... Then you have the money for gree in between wars. Just cause the players aren't on LINE or on forum doesn't mean they don't spend.

Immentioned it a while ago, they care very much about the f2p people, but in a way that gets them to spend money.

That's only 80k... They make twice, maybe triple that, during a three day war. I'm not overestimating my importance. No need to make an argument personal. I agree, they offer the jubilee events as an incentive but it isn't to get f2p to spend regularly. They make their bread and butter from the chest and wars. They consider it a bonus if a f2p player drops ten bucks over 3 months of playing. They don't care about them because they don't rely on them for income. Another good point is to look at the game itself. What have they updated in the main game? Do we have new levels? No. Do we have new castle expansions? No. No updates that benefit a f2p player. They release wars for the money. That's about their only curveball in development. If they cared about f2p they would update the fabric of the game. Not release pay to win events.

I wonder though how many players actually play knd you said 100k. Sounds like a solid estimate to me. I have no idea.

[taylor1993]

someone with the line name KOA

Well he would know what is best for his guild. Like I said its not that we don't like you, it's just a matter of space. we only have 40 spots whereas The rainbow coalition has 100's. We owe it to all of our other members to fill them with people who can meet our minimum requirements.

[Hildigam]

I wonder though how many players actually play knd you said 100k. Sounds like a solid estimate to me. I have no idea.

The reward for arena are pretty junky so i did another experiment on the arena. This week as of yesterday there were 100,280 people with 5+ points in arena. Then i got bored and decided to get some arena points

[taylor1993]

The reward for arena are pretty junky so i did another experiment on the arena. This week as of yesterday there were 100,280 people with 5+ points in arena. Then i got bored and decided to get some arena points

Awesome :D I would say nearly another 20k that haven't participated. I'm low balling with that estimate.

[Eunuchorn]

A game where the top spots are based on point totals, despite who you actually face for those points, is not a game of "competition". You're trying to make K&D something it isn't.

[Thatzme]

Who did you speak with from DPA? With that being said DPA is not a coalition such as RR. We don't have any room currently for lower gem spenders due to us being highly competitive. It's just our requirement.

I guess the key message here is not abt being declined to join DPA, it's about declining properly with respect. From what I gather he's just pointing out that KOA stopped communicating with him once he found out that harry doesn't spend much - probably should have closed it properly by telling him why and saying things like "all the best in whichever guild u join."

[Oryihn]

A game where the top spots are based on point totals, despite who you actually face for those points, is not a game of "competition". You're trying to make K&D something it isn't.

Thats not even remotely true.

If you battle every single battle and lose every time because your gear sucks, or you didnt have many people online, or you just can't seem to get past your misses, you likely wont be getting the 50% win bonus.

So not only did someone out-fight you in the war, they got 1.5 points where you only got 1.

Its simple that there is some competition and strategy involved unless you are a lottery winner/trust fund baby with more dollars than sense like your guild.

[Thatzme]

Thats not even remotely true.

If you battle every single battle and lose every time because your gear sucks, or you didnt have many people online, or you just can't seem to get past your misses, you likely wont be getting the 50% win bonus.

So not only did someone out-fight you in the war, they got 1.5 points where you only got 1.

Its simple that there is some competition and strategy involved unless you are a lottery winner/trust fund baby with more dollars than sense like your guild.

Chorn, few people read ur posts in its entirety - the true message gets lost just like in this reply to what you said. If I were you I'll stop wasting my breath on forums and spend more time on your gazillion other games :)

[KOA]

I guess the key message here is not abt being declined to join DPA, it's about declining properly with respect. From what I gather he's just pointing out that KOA stopped communicating with him once he found out that harry doesn't spend much - probably should have closed it properly by telling him why and saying things like "all the best in whichever guild u join."

For the record, I typically receive dozens of applications on a daily basis and respond and close out the chats in a fairly responsive fashion. Could I have missed out on responding to an applicant? Of course; but at that point I would leave it upon the applicant to follow-up should they truly wish to be in my guild.

In any case, back to the topic at hand. The wars are more entertaining in their current state than in the proposed state of having rainbow guilds maintain the top 10.

[Instagram]

I like the theme u use :)

[Eunuchorn]

Thats not even remotely true.

If you battle every single battle and lose every time because your gear sucks, or you didnt have many people online, or you just can't seem to get past your misses, you likely wont be getting the 50% win bonus.

So not only did someone out-fight you in the war, they got 1.5 points where you only got 1.

Its simple that there is some competition and strategy involved unless you are a lottery winner/trust fund baby with more dollars than sense like your guild.

I'm glad you brought this up.

We desperately need flat rate win bonus, not +50%.

If you don't think we employ any kind of strategy or coordination, you're dumb. You don't get the 50% win bonus because you worked better as a team, it's because your players outspent the other team. Sounds really "competitive". If my guild wasn't facing top 250 guilds, then maybe. But they will never, ever tier wars like ppl are asking, & so it will always come down to which guilds have more people willing to spend gems. We are offering a place for those people as well as ppl who don't want to spend any gems whatsoever, rather than kicking them to the curb with a "good luck"

[AlbertEvolve]

Agree on a flat win bonus. It will discourage some of the 1GM no armor spamming going on. It is really difficult to imagine 200+ attacks in a single battle with no strategy being fun - just to get the 50%.

There is also no doubt that RR is well organised during wars. Every battle with them has at least 15 members up (even during working hours) and if the battle is close another 10 jump on. So ther must be time zone and availability planning across all 96 hours, emergency calling and pretty good leadership to inspire the dedication.

For a while it looked like untouch could match. It will take some special guild leadership for another guild to trump this. But we really have to root for one. Because the game will die if all top 10 (or 15) guilds are all the same coalition. The rainbow coalition can become too much of a good thing and kill its own fatted goose.

It becomes like of RL playing KND. Either stay a bottom feeder (most f2p) or join a large corporation (r coalition) and work your way up (spend gems). Occasionally a young upstart turns up (another guild - dpa, konoha, etc) and tries to break in. Or settles for being an also ran. And at the top there is a benevolent leader (Eun) "giving a chance to other players as a peacemaker"

Sorry but .....

[Eunuchorn]

I'm sad you can only compare us to competing corporations. Though, there would be more reason to pay for top 3 if they would start offering passive rewards.

Couldn't agree more on having 0 fun coordinating GM armor drops. They're fixing it. The team building & 3rd party coordination is fun but no challenge in game obviously. The strategies you mention are all parts of our total package, yes.

I will argue, though, it is fun losing battles to other Rainbow guilds & watching them jump higher into top 10 territory. We want everyone to get that rush of excitement!

www.enenews.com

[Sparkle_DPA]

Couldn't agree more on having 0 fun coordinating GM armor drops. They're fixing it.



*Puts on troll mask*

Better hurry. They are running out of time, lol.

[Cracka]

Ummm coming from the FNG of 2 weeks lol, wouldn't it be boring if the top 10 was all one coalition? I mean I read through the entire thread and everything and it sounds interesting but I'm just wondering what would keep the game from getting boring. I've been playing in other games where the number 1 guy always leaves because they are too bored because there is no one that could give them some sort of competition. I don't see how this wouldn't follow suit.

[Eunuchorn]

I play the game for the community, not the competition. The current system will just drive players to overspend for less than 1st & then rage quit the game.

[Then000bster]

I find it scary that you plan to take over the top 25. That means that you have to burn out all the guilds that might spend a good chunk of gems. Top 10 sounds plausible, but it still would be difficult. Either way RR needs to have enough spenders to put into 10 guilds and take over the spots, with the exception of Dpa and a few others. For you to make them take 11th place means you need to spend over 10x the amount they are willing to spend. Not everyone will be drawn to the coalition and it might end up fruitless in the attempt.

Part2, someone mentioned stuff about the game being run by strong players who get the epics from the war and nobody stands a chance. Have you not noticed an equally strong epic is released in a chest at around the time a war epic is available? That means that you can buy chests, level up your epics, get 40 other people exactly like you, spend over 800m to get guild bonuses to 10%, then spend money on gems to be able to fight RR. Totally plausible means of taking them down... Right?

Part3 Yes and no, the game is dying, yet it isn't. As stated high level players are sick of spending all their money to grab an edge... And then to do what? Win in the arena one week to get a lousy medal and piece of armor that is worthless? Sound great!!! Getting first on EB? Where's my medal for that? Oh I get 100 friend requests for being #1? Oohhhh goody!! Wars? Oh, lemme level all my cool armors and fight next to all my friends!! Then it goes on to photo sharing armors, dropping armors, switching armors, and most of all... More spending to get a new armor. Mr. Rainbow is trying to fix at least one part of the game. For all our sakes I hope it comes soon.

Side Note!! Remember gree makes tons of money off of f2p players, the offers and videos are a ton of revenue, even us high leveled players do these things to make our wallets a little heavier. We of the "forum group" the "elite players" only look at the end in hopes that something will come along. I hope something does save this game, sadly that's a harsh hope to believe in.

[busteroaf]

I find it scary that you plan to take over the top 25. That means that you have to burn out all the guilds that might spend a good chunk of gems. Top 10 sounds plausible, but it still would be difficult. Either way RR needs to have enough spenders to put into 10 guilds and take over the spots, with the exception of Dpa and a few others. For you to make them take 11th place means you need to spend over 10x the amount they are willing to spend. Not everyone will be drawn to the coalition and it might end up fruitless in the attempt.

Part2, someone mentioned stuff about the game being run by strong players who get the epics from the war and nobody stands a chance. Have you not noticed an equally strong epic is released in a chest at around the time a war epic is available? That means that you can buy chests, level up your epics, get 40 other people exactly like you, spend over 800m to get guild bonuses to 10%, then spend money on gems to be able to fight RR. Totally plausible means of taking them down... Right?

Part3 Yes and no, the game is dying, yet it isn't. As stated high level players are sick of spending all their money to grab an edge... And then to do what? Win in the arena one week to get a lousy medal and piece of armor that is worthless? Sound great!!! Getting first on EB? Where's my medal for that? Oh I get 100 friend requests for being #1? Oohhhh goody!! Wars? Oh, lemme level all my cool armors and fight next to all my friends!! Then it goes on to photo sharing armors, dropping armors, switching armors, and most of all... More spending to get a new armor. Mr. Rainbow is trying to fix at least one part of the game. For all our sakes I hope it comes soon.

Side Note!! Remember gree makes tons of money off of f2p players, the offers and videos are a ton of revenue, even us high leveled players do these things to make our wallets a little heavier. We of the "forum group" the "elite players" only look at the end in hopes that something will come along. I hope something does save this game, sadly that's a harsh hope to believe in.

Part 1: The point is, getting the spenders from DPA and the few others to concede (yes, such a bad term) and say "instead of wasting my money, I'll join you"... You can only take 2nd so many times before you realize you won't take down #1. Just make it easier and come to the rainbow side.

Part 2: Not sure if you are serious there, but how often are you going to get 40 people who get lucky enough in chests dropping that much money, then turning around within a couple weeks to have a guild leveled and maxed out with bonuses. You do realize that is nearly impossible. It would need to be a group of already rich people, and an already established guild. Cause no one has 800 mil just waiting ready to be donated to a guild. Also, most people in RR and similar guilds don't JUST have war epics, they have many others as well.

Part 3: People are ALWAYS quitting/retiring. That is how these games work. Every other game is just like this. You see people being active, and then bam, suddenly they aren't anymore. But there is someone to replace them. Hell, look at the forums. How many people do you see here posting. Give it a week or two and you won't see some of them. Then look at all the new names you are seeing. Because someone quits doesn't mean the game is dying. Because it only has a weekly boss, arena every week, guilds, random chest events, wars every few weeks... that is enough for most of the people who play this game.

Part 4: I'll never understand why people think the game needs "saving". It needs tweeking. You do understand that there are thousands of games like this right? Maybe not KnD exactly, but very similar in style. Ever actually watch those video offers? How many Clash of Clans clones have you seen? Notice, they're virtually the exact same game, yet there are like 10 of them floating around, just from the free video offers. Guarantee you more are in development. Why? Cause its an easy concept to clone, and people will say "oh sweet. A new game with a different theme. I was sick of that other game, but this one is new, and has promise..." its the same game over and over, I guarantee you. Hell, how many of the "match 3" battle games are there now? How many "build a deck, battle with your top 5 cards, quest, collect other cards" games are there? These games are NOT dying. That is why there are more and more popping up all the time. Its just that people decide they don't want to play anymore, or finally realize and have that eureka moment when they say "I just spent 10k on a virtual game... holy crap!" Others, they're cool with that, and it doesn't matter. There will ALWAYS be people who criticize the games, saying that they need X,Y, and Z or else the game will fail. Well. Its still here. By some people's estimates, the game has 3 or 4 months to live, 5 from others... I'm willing to bet all of those are wrong, and it will still be here in 2 years. Will we all still be playing? Doubtful, but the game will still be working, and new stuff will still be being released.

[penny pincher]

Whatever happened to f2p. I have a real life with a wfe and two children and real bills to pay.
And even if I had the money to spend. I wouldn't spend on this.
Thanks but no thanks

[Eunuchorn]

Soarkle, it's cute you think Gree handles any other game any differently. K&D isn't going anywhere.

All in just to try to take #1 for one war then quit game? That makes sense...

[nmk329]

Soarkle, it's cute you think Gree handles any other game any differently. K&D isn't going anywhere.

All in just to try to take #1 for one war then quit game? That makes sense...

Pride is a terrible thing

[Eunuchorn]

Pride is a terrible thing

The core of all of our mind activity consists of repetitive and persistent thoughts, emotions and reactive patterns. This entity is called ‘the ego’. And the ego is the one who identifies with possessions, opinions, external appearances and long-standing resentments. These are the things to which the words I, me, my and mine refer.
Many of us are completely identified with a stream of compulsive thinking, most of which is repetitive and pointless.

But, if we understand the basic mechanics behind the ego mind, we can recognize it as such.
The ego was created as a survival mechanism when you descended in consciousness during the Fall of Man. But it is the ego that creates the illusion that we are separate from one another and separate from God. This either makes us feel that we are not as good as, or better than others.

We are born into truth. But we grow up believing in lies. We witness so many lies when we are young and innocent, and we use these lies to form our personal Tree of Knowledge. And one of the biggest lies is the lie of our own imperfection, which is told to us by the ego. And believing the ego is an addiction.

The ego is actually an impostor who is pretending to be you. It is the ego who drives the car while you daydream behind the steering wheel. It is the ego who causes you to terminate your meditation to take care of “more important” things.

The ego is a descended master. So your greatest protection from the ego is to become fully conscious and aware of it. You are a character in The Truman Show and everyone who is asleep at the wheel is named “Truman.”

[Eunuchorn]

I never said that they handle their games differently, and sure why not. We have the $$$ to so mind as well give it a shot.

You can't say K&D will be gone soon when it & all their other games continue to grow, despite how they are handled.

Well whether DPA takes 1st or not, let your people who plan on continuing buying lunch for our buddy Gree know they're welcome in the Rainbow after you quit playing.

[Eunuchorn]

Enlighten us which Gree games have been shut down other than MQ?

Actually, MQ just hasn't had an event in awhile & may never have one again, sure, but it's still there & I bet people are still buying gems.

[busteroaf]

"Rainbow Coalition will eventually fill Top 25. "

I just noticed that. I like how u switched the 10 with a 25. That was pretty cute, lol. Also, which games r u speaking of(im guessing KA and MW) cause 2 of them got shutdown.

Again, you're missing the point. I'm starting to think you're much closer to Mark than people let on: same avatar, same love for ponies then, same "missing the point" thing, and a distaste of unicorns.

These games are a dime a dozen, with very minimal cost to upkeep. Every time someone says "I'm leaving the game after this next war if things don't change" I just laugh on the inside. I know some people (Eun) hates the word Mobage... but look at games like Rage of Bahamut. People, just like all the people on the forums here, kept saying "omg, you are doing this again? This game sucks. Omg, rate it down in the app store. This game is dying... " Sound familiar?

Guess what, I can log in to the game right now, and it still loads up. After a year of people saying that, and me hardly playing the game... its still alive. Crazy right? That is how this game will be, just like all the other games.

Next war is all in for many... again, go all in for one, then quit? Man, going out with a bang, or going broke doing it right? Have fun with that pony, we'll miss you.

[Eunuchorn]

Do you need to prove it again?

Prove what exactly?


You're planning on leaving K&D for BD & DR? Out of the frying pan into the fire, eh?

[cafedecoy]

Typically, games like these are known to have a shelf life of 3-5 years. K&D has been around for about 1 year on IOS and a bit less on Android. Its based on a model that is not sustainable where the gamemakers have to continuously release new content that creates stats inflation in order to continue the nickle and diming cash flow from their user base. At some point the "balance" in the game gets so out of whack and the game loses its integrity. The revenue drops to a point where it doesnt make sense to support the game, starting the downward spiral that leads to the game's shut down.

Well, on to the next game at that point. I know GREE wishes that this next game will be one of their own. The real loser in here are the team of game developers who pay a chunk of fee to GREE for managing their game. They get sucked in and then spat out once the game has run its course. Not to mention, 30% of what you pay in gems goes straight to Itunes...

[nmk329]

I find it funny how much more "competative" the iOS users are than Android. Other than some spying to clean up the top 10 from cheaters, the top guilds on Android generally get along.

[knightsanddraggings]

I find it funny how much more "competative" the iOS users are than Android. Other than some spying to clean up the top 10 from cheaters, the top guilds on Android generally get along.
We even are forgiving, although repeated offenses means no forgiveness. (OP)

[Sarah 101]

Yea iOS fantastic war everywhere
Android biggest proplem why the sentinel don't die after 5 hits

[nmk329]

We even are forgiving, although repeated offenses means no forgiveness. (OP)

What guild are you from?

[Eunuchorn]

RR gets along with everyone. We just want the namesake to band everyone together against the Evil Empire! Even sparkle & I are dear friends. If they fix armor drop we will see more skill in the leaderboards over straight gemming. & the Rainbow guilds will shine

[knightsanddraggings]

What guild are you from?
Team Unicorn, the father guild of Unicorn Stampede :-)

[Then000bster]

@Busterof yeah, the 40 people was sarcastic and I know that top guilds don't only have war epics. As to the "game dying" it's like you said people will create a game that looks 99% the same and brand it "New game". Of course the game might not actually "die", it is just the type of game that pushes away people who have finished the game. It's like an mmorpg, you have the people play "the game" and then there is stuff afterwards. As long as there is something worth the time you can keep people playing. It's like the golden key chest. You could make Starmetal from it!!! It's so great!!(sarcasm) you could do the epic boss and get golden keys to collect the fragments to get the best armor... Now it's useless, just like a ton of old boss armors. There is nothing appealing, for myself, besides chests and wars, and I know how much both of those cost.

[Epon]

Typically, games like these are known to have a shelf life of 3-5 years. K&D has been around for about 1 year on IOS and a bit less on Android. Its based on a model that is not sustainable where the gamemakers have to continuously release new content that creates stats inflation in order to continue the nickle and diming cash flow from their user base. At some point the "balance" in the game gets so out of whack and the game loses its integrity. The revenue drops to a point where it doesnt make sense to support the game, starting the downward spiral that leads to the game's shut down.


So what makes it any different from other internet based games like say, Everquest, Vanguard, DoAC, Star Wars, Rift, etc. Most of those types of games run well for a couple of years or so, then players start to get bored, subscriptions close, less updates put out, and so on. Sure, some go on to do ok in Pay to Play (aka Free to Play, but pay to do anything but the most basic - hmmm, that sounds familiar) and sometimes you win the jackpot ala WoW. They continue on, but at a fraction of their starting population.

[Eunuchorn]

Players come & go, the coalition will always be here.

[ilvtfu]

definitely an intriguing read. i can definitely understand where you're coming from eunuchorn