How to deal with Splinter Guilds aim 50 n streak thread

[Bohemian]

This thread for weak guilds who running with a splinter guild, what can u do n what u cant do

Characteristic of splinter guild:
- small in member
- high stat
- avoid scoring high (last thing they want)

What u can n cant do when u meet them is
1. try DL with normal, if the stat is so high compared to ur highest do step2
2. dont bother scouting again, order to hit castle for all members or u give them points
3. this guild will avoid scoring, so u have to score high at very beginning. Put them in situation where they will need to score high n ended up where they should be at rank or let go n let u guys win.
Note: high rank will put them in trouble for match up

Hope it helps all for i see this has break the game, due to gree incapable to provide fair match-up base on guilds strengh avg.

Note: Guild strengh avg = (total attack + defense)/members in guilds

[Crow-Magnum]

I find your reasoning completely opposite my experience in this last battle. But...if this is meant as bait for lower guilds to take to make them easier to beat...then by all means, proceed. Some will bite, I'm sure.

[alizainal]

Sure, they surely can score very high by banging their heads to the castle. While the splinter members can score 5 times better by attacking players.
Your chance of winning is almost zero, but you can screw their strategy by together attacking those castle at 2 mins before the batle ends. The splinter guild will hit like crazy thinking you might win.
Eventho you dont win, atleast you make them worried. Lol
Or you might win if the gap is small.

[Bohemian]

The Plan overall is to F-up splinter guild whole plan. 👿😈

[Chups Crow]

Only a splinter guild can beat a splinter guild.

[Rastlin]

The Plan overall is to F-up splinter guild whole plan. ����
Good luck with that... CP score has nothing to do with match ups...every god splinter guild knows this. This has been tested by many top guilds.. Guild match ups are based on total guild strength (this is the reason for the splinter guilds, is to lower guild strength and only that), and then some randomness thrown in by GREE. CP, and scoring higher means nothing, the only reason splinter guilds don't want to score high is because it is cheap! Why gem if you don't have to? You want to F-up splinter guilds get stronger, gem, or join one. They are NOT going away, and are the future of guilds.

[Bohemian]

Edited: This thread for guilds who running with a splinter guild, what can u do n what u cant do

Characteristic of splinter guild:
- small in member
- high stat
- avoid score big to win (last thing they want)

What u can n cant do when u meet them (APPLICABLE ONLY max 54 hours after start)
1. try DL with normal, if the stat gap is so high compared to ur highest do step 1a / 1b
1.a if u dont need cp : screw their plan, keep att them n give them all the cp they
didn't want (VERY EFECTIVE IN DAY 1 TO INCREASE SPLINTER RANK). Lose to Llp
high stat will give them more cp. If splinter win by 20k cp in day 1 it will jump their
rank very much
== put the fox out among the sheep ==
1.b if u need cp : dont bother scouting n do wall again, order to hit castle for all
members or u give them points

2. Try DL if stat diff is minor, go scout find target. If u get one, gem it put some gap
maybe at 50-100k cp

Keep in mind:
Splinter will try to avoid win big. so u must put some cp gap at very beginning. Put them in situation where splinter option is to catch up n lose low rank or let u guys win.

Note: why splinter want low rank badly is because chance to meet weak guild is HIGHER. if u cant win at least u putting them in higher rank and chances for splinter to meet higher top rank increase. These higher rank if they do the same, none splinter will get streak.
Hope u all Get the points/message.
Also At top 300-500 rank, if splinter win by 10k-20k cp can considered big n put some big jump in rank.

Hope it helps all for i see this has break the game, due to gree incapable to provide fair match-up base on guilds strengh avg.

Note: Guild strengh avg = (total attack + defense)/members in guilds

[l3lade2]

Edited: This thread for guilds who running with a splinter guild, what can u do n what u cant do

Characteristic of splinter guild:
- small in member
- high stat
- avoid scoring high (last thing they want)


I'm just going to stop the quote here...it's pointless commenting on the rest as you start off so monumentally flawed.

You Sir, are wrong.

[Bohemian]

If u say so, Mr. Blade.
But mostly good splinter will do that especially in day 1 n 2.
They only score big if: 1. they have several streak win on stake or 2. they had done or failed on streak attempt n catching up rank.

[Peter Gotti]

Everyone who says that cp doesn't matter in the matchup must be in a splinter guild. Who do you think you will fool? Yes, splinter guilds are here to stay, I feel sorry for those low stats teams that want to fight with others within the same strenght. Gree has taken away a lot of fun for them but as they don't spend a lot of dollars they aren't important.

[l3lade2]

If u say so, Mr. Blade.
But mostly good splinter will do that especially in day 1 n 2.
They only score big if: 1. they have several streak win on stake or 2. they had done or failed on streak attempt n catching up rank.

As someone else has already told you, rank plays no (or incredibly little part) in the matching, so noone cares about scoring low. If you had said "they don't want to use gems", then sure, everyone would rather win 11k - 1k than 22k - 2k, but you didn't. You insinuate that the want to keep CP low, they do not.

Knowing many splinter guilds, having been in many splinter guilds, like I said you are wrong simple as that.

[Bohemian]

Im post this based on my experince with two splinter n they doing exactly as i stated above.
Are u running splinter in top 25-100 rank Mr. Blade ? If u succes on streak u must really awesome.

[sister morphine]

I feel sorry for those low stats teams that want to fight with others within the same strenght. Gree has taken away a lot of fun for them but as they don't spend a lot of dollars they aren't important.
I hope you meant to Gree with that remark? :(

[sister morphine]

Im post this based on my experince with two splinter n they doing exactly as i stated above.
Are u running splinter in top 25-100 rank Mr. Blade ? If u succes on streak u must really awesome.
Splinter guilds will do whatever it takes to maintain their streak. Sometimes more than necessary, lol.

We came up against La Seule Guilde Qui Compte, and a couple of our members decided to prod them so ran up about 40k CP. Really amused us when they suddenly shot past to over 100k :D

[alonibb]

For me its quite obvious total CP and rank DO count regarding matchups. I cant understand some of you think not. For two wars in a row we have had almost the same scenario. We are starting the war with mentality to win every battle. This usually takes us to top 75 first day of war. When we are at top 75 and top 100 the bad matchups begins for us. We constantly get impossible guilds. None of us have any targets and we can just sit and watch and hit castle or at best a stupid lvl 20 which gives the same points as castle.

What happens now is that we fall in rank because we dont score any points. At top 150 we occasionaly gets beatable guilds again, and after top 200 we are back to normal and can score again.

So my conclusion is the matchups does use total attack as main param for matchups from top 200 and lower. When you reach top 150 and top 100 current CP/Rank is starting to get more meaning. And from top 75 and below it means a lot.

Its like this:
Top 200-1250 (Total attack 75%, CP 25%)
Top 150 (Total attack 50%, CP 50%)
Top 100-50 (Total attck 25%, CP 75%)
Top 25-1 I have no clue :)

[Person]

i was part of a splinter guild previous war, and we fought anything from top 100 to top 1200 and below. So i do think CP has 0 influence, but because we were low in members and relatively low in stats we didnt fight top 50 and above.

[l3lade2]

Im post this based on my experince with two splinter n they doing exactly as i stated above.
Are u running splinter in top 25-100 rank Mr. Blade ? If u succes on streak u must really awesome.

The 1st guild, which was a splinter guild, who completed the 56 win streak this time around (56-0) finished Top 100 I think, certainly way over 1mil CP.

+1million CP is, in my definition, not keeping CP low.

[Peter Gotti]

Yes, it was a remark to Gree, I think everybody is equally important, gem spender or not.

[Peter Gotti]

You can say that I'm wrong how many times you want. I have been in a splinter guild three times so I think I now what I'm talking about. What you are saying is that a low stat team with many members and one very high stat member who decides to use a lot of gems will still be matched against top 500 teams even if they are top 25. I wonder who is wrong here.

[Bohemian]

Clearly im not talking about last result of splinter. I know that guild, n in order to do streak they also do above strategy.

As i said earlier :
But mostly good splinter will do that especially in day 1 n 2, (corrected avoid scoring if the streak not yet done)
They WILL SCORE BIG IF:
1. they have several streak win on stake or
2. they had done or failed on streak attempt n catching for certain rank.

No more from me. Let the readers decide itself.
any guild can prove they crushed by splinter in day 1 or 2 by score maybe at 50k-<5k ?
Any guild can prove they lose to 5-10k vs 1-3k cp in day 1 or 2 ?

[Person]

You can say that I'm wrong how many times you want. I have been in a splinter guild three times so I think I now what I'm talking about. What you are saying is that a low stat team with many members and one very high stat member who decides to use a lot of gems will still be matched against top 500 teams even if they are top 25. I wonder who is wrong here.

i'll try to prove my point next war, if possible :)

[Rastlin]

l3lade & Person, just leave them to themselves... They have splinter guilds all figured out, and know it all. Why they are getting their butt's still kicked beats me....I mean look they have a plan and everything.... Anyways l3lade & Person congrats on your 50 wins! Great job, and I am proud of you!

Funny how those of us that play in Top ranked guilds are always wrong...but still some how win...

[Peter Gotti]

Rastlin, you should check my inventory before you get to cocky. I got three prizes for 50 wins and that should be a proof for something but as I'm not interested in spend enough my knowledge is less it seems. Thank you for bringing a smile to my face. :-)

[Alexius]

Splinter guilds will do whatever it takes to maintain their streak. Sometimes more than necessary, lol.

We came up against La Seule Guilde Qui Compte, and a couple of our members decided to prod them so ran up about 40k CP. Really amused us when they suddenly shot past to over 100k :D

Yup, we'd do whatever is Neccesary to win. We figured out early on that cp was irrelevant this war when we're paired with people that have three times our score. Not complaining about it though, it actually makes things a lot simpler. :D

[Jerusalem]

Only a splinter guild can beat a splinter guild.

This is typically true, but a splinter guild can lose to a traditional one if it lets its guard down. This is the latter's only hope.

[Jerusalem]

Good luck with that... CP score has nothing to do with match ups...every god splinter guild knows this. This has been tested by many top guilds.. Guild match ups are based on total guild strength (this is the reason for the splinter guilds, is to lower guild strength and only that), and then some randomness thrown in by GREE. CP, and scoring higher means nothing, the only reason splinter guilds don't want to score high is because it is cheap! Why gem if you don't have to? You want to F-up splinter guilds get stronger, gem, or join one. They are NOT going away, and are the future of guilds.

Spot on, Rastlin.

[Dexter Morgan]

Splinter guilds are a brilliant idea

[Jerusalem]

Splinter guilds will do whatever it takes to maintain their streak. Sometimes more than necessary, lol.

We came up against La Seule Guilde Qui Compte, and a couple of our members decided to prod them so ran up about 40k CP. Really amused us when they suddenly shot past to over 100k :D

You strike at the heart of the truth, Sister Morphine.

Btw, La Seule Guilde Qui Compte = Band of Smart Alex (BoSA), 3 time streak winner :o

[JPNy]

Edited: This thread for guilds who running with a splinter guild, what can u do n what u cant do

Characteristic of splinter guild:
- small in member
- high stat
- avoid scoring high (last thing they want)

What u can n cant do when u meet them (APPLICABLE ONLY max 54 hours after start)
1. try DL with normal, if the stat gap is so high compared to ur highest do step 1a / 1b
1.a if u need cp : dont bother scouting n do wall again, order to hit castle for all
members or u give them points
1.b if u dont need cp : screw their plan, keep att them n give them all the cp they
didn't want
2. Try DL if stat diff is minor, go scout find target. If u get one, gem it put some gap
maybe at 20k cp

Keep in mind:
Splinter will try to avoid scoring, so u must put some cp gap at very beginning. Put them in situation where splinter option is to catch up n lose low rank or let u guys win.

Note: why splinter want low rank badly is because chance to meet weak guild is HIGHER. if u cant win at least u putting them in higher rank and chances for splinter to meet higher top rank increase. These higher rank if they do the same, none splinter will get streak.
Hope u all Get the points/message.
Also At top 300-500 rank, if splinter win by 10k-20k cp can considered big n put some big jump in rank.

Hope it helps all for i see this has break the game, due to gree incapable to provide fair match-up base on guilds strengh avg.

Note: Guild strengh avg = (total attack + defense)/members in guilds


True splinter guilds won't be hurted by such a strategy, only guilds running this will.
The most CP you will force them to score is around 10-15k CP per battle... Just nothing compared with what is needed to meet real sharks/whales. Well at the end I am sure that you will get tired before them...


Moreover you are missing the most important point : Gree has created the splinter guilds doing 2 things :
- make the bracket of stats ever larger (over 30 million now) : certainly the most important criteria
- introduce war guild quests with better rewards than most of the war rewards.


I am tired to read all these threads against splinter guilds and the supposedly fairness of pairings based on average stats !!!
Once I need to say that it's all but not fair and will not happen.

Not fair because weakest players are here to be beaten by stronger ones. So why players would try/need/(be forced) to break themselves against untouchable players, when they can change their target and be untouchable ... it's the the law of the strongest, which is largely expected in a war game.

It will not happen, because all of this make players spend more gems ! I am reading on the forum that many people are going free. It makes me laugh when I see the scores of each war. And Gree doesn't care much that players are leaving, especially if they are free players.

However I agree with you that it becomes certainly a pain for some guilds to play war events. BUT don't make the splinter guilds, the scapegoat. Only Gree is responsible for this situation and especially, I repeat, for the out of control insane bracket of stats...

Good luck with your strategy ...

[Bohemian]

QUOTE FROM GREE ANNOUNCEMENT

The Conquest of Kings event is a PVP event specifically between the guilds in game. Guilds must "declare war" in order to participate in the event. Any member can do this. Once war is declared, your guild will be matched up with other guilds of SIMILAR ATTACK STRENGTH, fighting to win Conquest Points.

Maybe gree should change they statement about similar attack strength.

[Person]

QUOTE FROM GREE ANNOUNCEMENT

The Conquest of Kings event is a PVP event specifically between the guilds in game. Guilds must "declare war" in order to participate in the event. Any member can do this. Once war is declared, your guild will be matched up with other guilds of SIMILAR ATTACK STRENGTH, fighting to win Conquest Points.

Maybe gree should change they statement about similar attack strength.

why? im certain that if you add up all the stats of your guild and compare them with your opponent the numbers wont be too far apart.

[Alexius]

I'm not going to speak anymore on this subject but to say that in games as well as life times change and seasons change. You must adapt at some point. Sure you can choose to sleep outside in nothing but your swim trunks in a northern winter the same way that you did in the summer but you'd be a fool if you didn't expect to be frostbitten.

[Dogs Pizza]

Splinter guilds are not as tough to beat as some make it out to be. There are some that are very tough to take down, Band of Smart Alex and Angry Red Heads for example. My guild beat Smurfette with good coordination and active players. We only have a couple medium gemmers and most are free players. Get coordinated and you can start taking these guys down.

CP does not come into play in matching until after about 5 mins without a matchup. At that point the gree algorithm widens the scope of guilds you can match with and starts to use other criteria to pick a opponent. Small guilds match quickly as there are hundreds of low stat teams out there.

[Lisa Roms]

Splinter guilds are not as tough to beat as some make it out to be. There are some that are very tough to take down, Band of Smart Alex and Angry Red Heads for example. My guild beat Smurfette with good coordination and active players. We only have a couple medium gemmers and most are free players. Get coordinated and you can start taking these guys down.

CP does not come into play in matching until after about 5 mins without a matchup. At that point the gree algorithm widens the scope of guilds you can match with and starts to use other criteria to pick a opponent. Small guilds match quickly as there are hundreds of low stat teams out there.

Really? A good splinter guild is incredibly hard to defeat. You may have been lucky as perhaps knigthmare guild was at the beginning of a streak and didn't even try...

[Nacon10]

How to deal with splinter guilds?

Be a better splinter guild.

[Rastlin]

The thing is the guilds complaining about splinter guilds, can become splinter guilds themselves... This will lower their total guild strength and move them out of the matching system with the current stronger splinter guilds they are facing... That is what Top guilds have been doing by creating them, and becoming more of clans than guilds now. So why don't the lower guilds do the same? This WILL fix their problem.

[Rastlin]

Rastlin, you should check my inventory before you get to cocky. I got three prizes for 50 wins and that should be a proof for something but as I'm not interested in spend enough my knowledge is less it seems. Thank you for bringing a smile to my face. :-)
Then you get the whole point of Splinter guilds then. The only point is to spend less money to win the Win 50, and Streak prizes. Thus why CP is low, because they want to spend less. Top players are making splinter guilds when they decide to go "free", and make their stats work for them.

Splinter Guilds will go away once GREE realizes they are losing money. However that also means the win/streak prizes will go away too. And everything will go back to the way it was. This actually will hurt the lower guilds in the long run. The reason they have weak stats right now is from being low ranked in the previous old style wars. Currently they now have a chance at prizes by win/streak that they never had before... They really need to think about this before they keep complaining... Do they really want to go back to the only option of prizes they are going to win is some 2k stat unit for Top750?

[travelingsalesman]

Then you get the whole point of Splinter guilds then. The only point is to spend less money to win the Win 50, and Streak prizes. Thus why CP is low, because they want to spend less. Top players are making splinter guilds when they decide to go "free", and make their stats work for them.

Splinter Guilds will go away once GREE realizes they are losing money. However that also means the win/streak prizes will go away too. And everything will go back to the way it was. This actually will hurt the lower guilds in the long run. The reason they have weak stats right now is from being low ranked in the previous old style wars. Currently they now have a chance at prizes by win/streak that they never had before... They really need to think about this before they keep complaining... Do they really want to go back to the only option of prizes they are going to win is some 2k stat unit for Top750?

Good post.

[Shiloh]

Then you get the whole point of Splinter guilds then. The only point is to spend less money to win the Win 50, and Streak prizes. Thus why CP is low, because they want to spend less. Top players are making splinter guilds when they decide to go "free", and make their stats work for them.

Splinter Guilds will go away once GREE realizes they are losing money. However that also means the win/streak prizes will go away too. And everything will go back to the way it was. This actually will hurt the lower guilds in the long run. The reason they have weak stats right now is from being low ranked in the previous old style wars. Currently they now have a chance at prizes by win/streak that they never had before... They really need to think about this before they keep complaining... Do they really want to go back to the only option of prizes they are going to win is some 2k stat unit for Top750?

We were close to top 150, we didn't even win 3 in a row ever. We hit a constant stream of splinter guilds, which basically meant we rested for an hour. We scored like fiends when we got a legit guild. Both the reward system and the matching system mean splinter guilds are a preferred way for the top players to go, but it's screwing the rest of us, plain. And simple. We have to over gem on battles we can score on because we can't score n half of the guilds we get matched against. I don't know about other guilds but from what I hear in mine, we are not playing into this anymore and would rather be a free top 400 than a broke 200 team.

[Spacekizz]

why? im certain that if you add up all the stats of your guild and compare them with your opponent the numbers wont be too far apart.

That is not exactly true. We were paired against FUN when we are only a top 150 team.
Our stats are definitely nowhere near FUN.

[larrydavid]

That is not exactly true. We were paired against FUN when we are only a top 150 team.
Our stats are definitely nowhere near FUN.

their matching algorithm doesn't perfect this....so you should expect some anomalous matchups.

[l3lade2]

That is not exactly true. We were paired against FUN when we are only a top 150 team.
Our stats are definitely nowhere near FUN.

Yeah but I think GREE wrote a special line of code into the matching algorithm that basically says IF=FUN,MATCH=anyonefree

[marko101]

Then you get the whole point of Splinter guilds then. The only point is to spend less money to win the Win 50, and Streak prizes. Thus why CP is low, because they want to spend less. Top players are making splinter guilds when they decide to go "free", and make their stats work for them.

Splinter Guilds will go away once GREE realizes they are losing money. However that also means the win/streak prizes will go away too. And everything will go back to the way it was. This actually will hurt the lower guilds in the long run. The reason they have weak stats right now is from being low ranked in the previous old style wars. Currently they now have a chance at prizes by win/streak that they never had before... They really need to think about this before they keep complaining... Do they really want to go back to the only option of prizes they are going to win is some 2k stat unit for Top750?

Bad post!
You been in a splinter group?
Free???
Win prizes and top 100 isn't free with 20 people so you shouldn't speak about stuff if you don't know!

[marko101]

How can you say splinter guilds aren't legit??? Do you say the same about FUN Or RK if you match them? Better stats and more gems doesn't mean there not legit!


We were close to top 150, we didn't even win 3 in a row ever. We hit a constant stream of splinter guilds, which basically meant we rested for an hour. We scored like fiends when we got a legit guild. Both the reward system and the matching system mean splinter guilds are a preferred way for the top players to go, but it's screwing the rest of us, plain. And simple. We have to over gem on battles we can score on because we can't score n half of the guilds we get matched against. I don't know about other guilds but from what I hear in mine, we are not playing into this anymore and would rather be a free top 400 than a broke 200 team.

[CantHardlyWait]

That is not exactly true. We were paired against FUN when we are only a top 150 team.
Our stats are definitely nowhere near FUN.

Did you match up with FUN during wee hours in the US?If so its possible since few declare during that time..

[Rastlin]

Bad post!
You been in a splinter group?
Free???
Win prizes and top 100 isn't free with 20 people so you shouldn't speak about stuff if you don't know!
Yes I have (5 person guild), and have done a lot of studying on it. In this thread no one was talking about the splinter guilds trying for Top 100... I put "free", not free... Most people that came from Top guilds would consider 300- 500 gems "free" compared to what they used to play with. Win prizes in Top 750 is achievable for "free" if the splinter guild is set up correctly, and has high participation.

[JPNy]

I am impressed that you could reach top100 with only 5 players last war and almost free. I know you have good health regen bonuses, but still. Bravo !
Best I did is good top 150.

[Rastlin]

I am impressed that you could reach top100 with only 5 players last war and almost free. I know you have good health regen bonuses, but still. Bravo !
Best I did is good top 150.
I never made Top 100 with five people, remember I said in this thread we were NOT talking about Top 100 placements. ;)

[JPNy]

My bad, I had read your post too fastly indeed.

[Shiloh]

How can you say splinter guilds aren't legit??? Do you say the same about FUN Or RK if you match them? Better stats and more gems doesn't mean there not legit!

I can say they are not legit because the guild that they built up their strength is not the guild they use for guild wars. They are leveraging guild success by exponential degrees whereas those without a comparable level of GUILD success can not. If it ONLY reflected in their results there would be no valid commentary from the peanut gallery, however the reason splinter guilds exist is to feast on common guilds so as to save money. That ends up costing us more money to place, creates more guilds to place against and is terrible for the non elite.

It's ridiculous that so much of our game play is affected by your(splinter guilds) wallets. We can't spend our way to compete with you and then we can't beat you when you form yourself into unattackable entities just to meet us instead of those with similar stats.

It's not that I lay blame on people taking obvious advantage if the system, but why does Gree have such an obviously flawed system? There have been many suggestions on how to address this but here us yet another one, how about allowing people to only join 1 guild per 30 days?

Peanut gallery out....

[garen argon]

How to deal with splinter guilds?

Be a better splinter guild.

ding ding ding...we have a winner!!!

[Zenobia]

Saying splinter guilds are not legit is disrespectful and the criticism of us undeserved. Splinter guilds are EVERY bit as "legit" as every other non-hacker guild out there. Gree changed the matching algorithm a few wars back to shorten match wait times at the top of the food chain and the guilds the next tier down the food chain got royally screwed by it. This is our only way to survive other than kicking all our loyal but free good players and replacing them with people with $$$, something MoC will NEVER do. So you know what? It trickles down. The next step is that the next tier down has to strategize how to overcome this just as we did. The game evolves. And guilds either evolve with it or die. MoC chooses to keep flying even if it is in different directions during war, and back to the nest between wars.

I DO empathize with you guys upset at the emergence of splinter guilds and it forcing you to change your game. We were all in your shoes these last few months. I honestly wish you luck figuring out ways to beat Gree.

[Krissy]

I purposely mess with them and give them more points. They match based on conquest points so bump em up so the big guys can crush em.

[Yessfsdd]

Hey Guys,

We are a top 750 Guild. Most of our players are non gemmers. We also faced splinter guilds. I just wanna clarify a few things for my self and my guild. So, here is what i learned and please feel free to correct me.

Splinter Guild Goal: To be able to win the prizes from the guild war streak quest. Im guessing the prizes must really be worth it for so much effort.

Splinter Guild Scoring Policy: Seems like Splinter guilds do care about total contribution points. As getting too much CP would pit them against more tougher guilds. Why get tons of points when you can get the bare minimum and win, plus still remain in the lower bracket.

How to Deal With Splinter Guilds: Two options here. Either attack their castle two times for small amount of CP, and wait one hour to go to war with a standard guild. Option two, would be to attack the splinter guild players giving them points, and boosting them to the next higher bracket.

Let me know if im on the right track guys.

[Rastlin]

I purposely mess with them and give them more points. They match based on conquest points so bump em up so the big guys can crush em.
This is not true...CP has next to nothing to do with match ups...

[Rastlin]

Hey Guys,

We are a top 750 Guild. Most of our players are non gemmers. We also faced splinter guilds. I just wanna clarify a few things for my self and my guild. So, here is what i learned and please feel free to correct me.

Splinter Guild Goal: To be able to win the prizes from the guild war streak quest. Im guessing the prizes must really be worth it for so much effort.

Splinter Guild Scoring Policy: Seems like Splinter guilds do care about total contribution points. As getting too much CP would pit them against more tougher guilds. Why get tons of points when you can get the bare minimum and win, plus still remain in the lower bracket.

How to Deal With Splinter Guilds: Two options here. Either attack their castle two times for small amount of CP, and wait one hour to go to war with a standard guild. Option two, would be to attack the splinter guild players giving them points, and boosting them to the next higher bracket.

Let me know if im on the right track guys.
The only reason you see low CP, is why gem when you don't have to...and it is fun as hell to see how low your cp can be and win a battle (I crack up at it with my mini, compared to my main). CP does not push people into higher brackets... this is an old wives tail that has been going around for a long time, that is 100% unfounded...

[Yessfsdd]

The only reason you see low CP, is why gem when you don't have to...and it is fun as hell to see how low your cp can be and win a battle (I crack up at it with my mini, compared to my main). CP does not push people into higher brackets... this is an old wives tail that has been going around for a long time, that is 100% unfounded...

I do think you are correct on this matter, because our guild ranked at 637 or something, with total points roughly around 280k, while we we were matched against guilds that scored double or sometimes more.Which then would lead me to ask, how are guild match making done? I know there was another post that stated guilds were matched based on total guild strength. I havn't added up my guilds total strength to compare it to the guilds we faced. Maybe you have..and you can shed more light on this. Another angle maybe that match making is done based on your current guild rank in the wars. So all the top 750 guilds would fight with each other, or lower (below 750) or higher ranked (Top 500) guilds. Am still pretty confused about the match making.

[Bohemian]

This is not true...CP has next to nothing to do with match ups...

Is rank/cp has something to do with match-ups pair ?
I think all have play long enough to answer themselves that question.

[Person]

Is rank/cp has something to do with match-ups pair ?
I think all have play long enough to answer themselves that question.

Yes, the answer to that question is easy. It has nothing at all to do with matchups, as we fought people with up to 4x our CP and less than 1/4th of our cp. if that doesn't prove stuff, nothing will.

[Rastlin]

I do think you are correct on this matter, because our guild ranked at 637 or something, with total points roughly around 280k, while we we were matched against guilds that scored double or sometimes more.Which then would lead me to ask, how are guild match making done? I know there was another post that stated guilds were matched based on total guild strength. I havn't added up my guilds total strength to compare it to the guilds we faced. Maybe you have..and you can shed more light on this. Another angle maybe that match making is done based on your current guild rank in the wars. So all the top 750 guilds would fight with each other, or lower (below 750) or higher ranked (Top 500) guilds. Am still pretty confused about the match making. It is based on total guild strength, not CP score or ranking... Some of the best/easiest match ups I have had have been in Top 3 and Top 6 guilds. The worst match ups I have had were in Top 25 and Top 50 guilds (in these we had a very high GG and most members with very high stats, but not the gem use as the other guilds I had been in). I have been in guilds that thought CP played a role, and worked very hard to drop out of tiers to try to get better match ups....it never worked and then it was a much harder fight to get back to the rank wanted. While the Top 3 and Top 6 guilds I have been in never cared about rank or CP playing a role, as had to score big to keep rank, and the match ups never got harder. My Main Character has been in Flub (Top 50), Samurai Blood (Top 3), Murder of Crows (Top 25), and now Dragon Warriors (Top 6).... All of these guilds now agree that CP does not factor in matching anymore...

[Bohemian]

Thank n appreciate your answer Rastlin n Person. But i have my own answer n its different with yours.
Cheers for differences.

[Spydrax]

I just stumbled onto this thread: sorry for being late to the party.. :(

Splinter cell guilds are just simply, great strategy. As noted by Z earlier, split your guild for war and bring everyone back home post war to work the guild events together.

I'm sorry... I really have nothing tangible to add, only that it was a good read and wanted to put my 2 cents in.

ROFLMAO!!!

(Quietly crawling back into my hole now)

[Bohemian]

Note : SMALL chance u stop splinter from getting their 50, BUT BIG CHANCE to ruin their streak attempt.

here some experience i (splinter) when unlucky draw a top 25-50 rank guild 2 times diff guilds with diff result at DAY 2

1. Just say NOT SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (middle top 300-400)
they have 2 targerts on us (from loss record) so they started scoring n make gap n stop at 15k cp lead while we just wait. At 15 we take down dl n scout with wall still active. They score a bit. Then at 90 sec left before finish, BOOM we outscored them by 10k lead.

2. Just say SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (near 300)
They have same 2 targerts on us. So they start score n keep scoring n made gap at >100k cp lead at 15 left. We are in dillema go n ended up in top 200 or let go (we can win, we have plenty targets on them). Decision were made we let go n stay in low rank.

So come on U weakling guilds n not smart guilds out there, give us some trouble. Why u take all the upset, angry, fail, beatdown, by yourself. Its not fair. Give us some by failing our streak attempt. That will be your fun. IF u choose to go easy on us n stop complaining about crap 'omg match up with this n that n none of us cant hit them n there no fun bull**** thing'. fair n square (strategy vs strategy).

I be on splinter again n if i meet stronger splinter i will rank u up in last minute. Dont go easy on us u weak guild n dumb top guilds out there. give us your best shot. Lets the challange begin. Lets have fun. Give me epic battle to remember before retire.

[senna]

can hardly catch the drift of what Mr Bohemian is saying but seems like he is in a splinter that got 50 wins but not the 56 streak? Mr Bohemian, can you also tell me what is the name of your splinter guild so I may hammer you if we meet? thanks

[Rastlin]

can hardly catch the drift of what Mr Bohemian is saying but seems like he is in a splinter that got 50 wins but not the 56 streak? Mr Bohemian, can you also tell me what is the name of your splinter guild so I may hammer you if we meet? thanks
But I thought he was "telling" us how to beat them (and wrong I might add again since this thread came back from hell)? Now he is one? So many people talking inside of his head, it is hard for him to understand him... And sad that he lost a streak to keep a position spot, when it has nothing to do with match ups...

[Jerusalem]

Note : SMALL chance u stop splinter from getting their 50, BUT BIG CHANCE to ruin their streak attempt.

here some experience i (splinter) when unlucky draw a top 25-50 rank guild 2 times diff guilds with diff result at DAY 2

1. Just say NOT SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (middle top 300-400)
they have 2 targerts on us (from loss record) so they started scoring n make gap n stop at 15k cp lead while we just wait. At 15 we take down dl n scout with wall still active. They score a bit. Then at 90 sec left before finish, BOOM we outscored them by 10k lead.

2. Just say SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (near 300)
They have same 2 targerts on us. So they start score n keep scoring n made gap at >100k cp lead at 15 left. We are in dillema go n ended up in top 200 or let go (we can win, we have plenty targets on them). Decision were made we let go n stay in low rank.

So come on U weakling guilds n not smart guilds out there, give us some trouble. Why u take all the upset, angry, fail, beatdown, by yourself. Its not fair. Give us some by failing our streak attempt. That will be your fun. IF u choose to go easy on us n stop complaining about crap 'omg match up with this n that n none of us cant hit them n there no fun bull**** thing'. fair n square (strategy vs strategy).

I be on splinter again n if i meet stronger splinter i will rank u up in last minute. Dont go easy on us u weak guild n dumb top guilds out there. give us your best shot. Lets the challange begin. Lets have fun. Give me epic battle to remember before retire.

I'm sorry, but letting a streak go in favor of placement is unbelievably daft for obvious reasons and defeats the primary purpose of being in a splinter.

And I wouldn't have even allowed the guild in Ex. 2 to get ahead by more than 100k cp; that was your first mistake right there. Don't be too rigid and inflexible as to adhere to the same strategy against every guild you encounter. Enough said.

[-H-]

Note : SMALL chance u stop splinter from getting their 50, BUT BIG CHANCE to ruin their streak attempt.

here some experience i (splinter) when unlucky draw a top 25-50 rank guild 2 times diff guilds with diff result at DAY 2

1. Just say NOT SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (middle top 300-400)
they have 2 targerts on us (from loss record) so they started scoring n make gap n stop at 15k cp lead while we just wait. At 15 we take down dl n scout with wall still active. They score a bit. Then at 90 sec left before finish, BOOM we outscored them by 10k lead.

2. Just say SMART guild (top 25-50) vs me (near 300)
They have same 2 targerts on us. So they start score n keep scoring n made gap at >100k cp lead at 15 left. We are in dillema go n ended up in top 200 or let go (we can win, we have plenty targets on them). Decision were made we let go n stay in low rank.

So come on U weakling guilds n not smart guilds out there, give us some trouble. Why u take all the upset, angry, fail, beatdown, by yourself. Its not fair. Give us some by failing our streak attempt. That will be your fun. IF u choose to go easy on us n stop complaining about crap 'omg match up with this n that n none of us cant hit them n there no fun bull**** thing'. fair n square (strategy vs strategy).

I be on splinter again n if i meet stronger splinter i will rank u up in last minute. Dont go easy on us u weak guild n dumb top guilds out there. give us your best shot. Lets the challange begin. Lets have fun. Give me epic battle to remember before retire.


Well, plenty of holes in your strategy.....

Ummmm since u put the challenge out there are u willing to post your guilds name so we can show you the respect your asking for??? :)

[bumpyfunk]

2 wars in....2 splinter guilds.....
And counting.

Soon, the best strategy will be to avoid war.

[bumpyfunk]

3 splinters in.
I just fought their DL....who is 500k lower.

I lost.

We have come to the conclusion that KA can't handle the digits....

Either way.....KA is dead.

[Alexius]

Did you try any of the tips they posted?

[bumpyfunk]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Very good.

4 in now.
4 splinters.

I was warned about this about 4 wars ago.

Back then, I thought....'it's just a game....there's no way that will happen'.

It's happened.
:-(

[bumpyfunk]

5 in.
5 splinters.

This one has 18 mill guardian.

[martyartyx]

My guild came across another guild with 3 members. Guardian was 60 million, or was it just a bad dream.

Who remembers the outcome in the film 'War Games'?
After playing out all possible scenarios for Global Thermonuclear War the super computer 'Joshua' comes to the following conclusion..

Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken.

Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua.

Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

[Sir Ventes]

After the 3rd war I decided to go free. Use to be a playa but got left behind in stats pretty quickly without gem play. No longer in my first and only guild because I wasn't very active. Read about splinter guilds and decided to create a one person guild and I am 9 wins 1 loss. Loss was first battle due to the match up. Interesting new dynamic to the game as a splinter but not enough to really get me back into the game except occasionally. Just not the same anymore.

[bumpyfunk]

We are getting multiple splinters that only show 1.2 mill guardians....for it to actually be 12 mill.

Exactly 12 mill.

Something isn't right.

[Jerusalem]

Hope that everyone is trying out with success the new methods, described herein, to deal with Splinters. Feel free to share your success stories. :)

[Rastlin]

Hope that everyone is trying out with success the new methods, described herein, to deal with Splinters. Feel free to share your success stories. :)
LOL I know you didn't write that with a straight face!!! ;)

[Skyraiders]

hope that everyone is trying out with success the new methods, described herein, to deal with splinters. Feel free to share your success stories. :)

lmao!!!!lmao!!!!!

[bumpyfunk]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

[Rustica]

FUN joined the splinter party too. FUN 5. Few members but all in 10-20 Mil range. Great. Thanks FUN! Glad RK beat your main team. Hope it messed a streak up.

[Zenobia]

Hope that everyone is trying out with success the new methods, described herein, to deal with Splinters. Feel free to share your success stories. :)

Your sarcasm is like a mug of hot chocolate to me on this cold day. ;)

[Bohemian]

Hope that everyone is trying out with success the new methods, described herein, to deal with Splinters. Feel free to share your success stories. :)

Your amuse me. Hope your greek name member bring u luck.

[E-I]

Here is how you get rid of splinter guilds... If you are a large top guild, don't allow members of splinter guilds to join you during GLTQ, Boss quests, and Raid Boss events.

[Rastlin]

Here is how you get rid of splinter guilds... If you are a large top guild, don't allow members of splinter guilds to join you during GLTQ, Boss quests, and Raid Boss events.
No one cares anymore about Boss events. GREE already ruined that awhile back... How many Guild's, co-ops, etc.. finished the last one? 3 maybe 4 at most in the whole game? It was GREE's new cash cow next to wars, but they got to greedy and they took it out back and shot it in the head...

[Jerusalem]

No one cares anymore about Boss events. GREE already ruined that awhile back... How many Guild's, co-ops, etc.. finished the last one? 3 maybe 4 at most in the whole game? It was GREE's new cash cow next to wars, but they got to greedy and they took it out back and shot it in the head...

OMG, well said!

[Jerusalem]

Your amuse me. Hope your greek name member bring u luck.

Quite uncannily, I believe it did. Thank you for expressing such amused hope. :o

[Lisa Roms]

This has truly been a hilarious thread. I'm so glad you guys brought it back to life...

[Bohemian]

Here is how you get rid of splinter guilds... If you are a large top guild, don't allow members of splinter guilds to join you during GLTQ, Boss quests, and Raid Boss events.

Simple way to get rid of these splinters is to REMOVE THE BONUSES from 50 wins n 56 streak, dont u think ?

[Jerusalem]

Simple way to get rid of these splinters is to REMOVE THE BONUSES from 50 wins n 56 streak, dont u think ?

Now, why would Gree do that? The game has evolved, rightly or wrongly. Evolve with it or quit.

[Disaster116]

No best way is to split the wars for splinters and rank. Prior to war guild chooses rank or splinter. Then quets are automatically adjusted as well as prizes

[E-I]

No one cares anymore about Boss events. GREE already ruined that awhile back... How many Guild's, co-ops, etc.. finished the last one? 3 maybe 4 at most in the whole game? It was GREE's new cash cow next to wars, but they got to greedy and they took it out back and shot it in the head...

You mean Raid Boss events. Plenty of guilds finished the Boss event... well, at least 5 days worth. :p

[Nacon10]

i want to make a splinter guild if anyone wants to join me please inbox me i have great stats. level 40 450k attack

[Alexius]

Here is how you get rid of splinter guilds... If you are a large top guild, don't allow members of splinter guilds to join you during GLTQ, Boss quests, and Raid Boss events.

Interesting........because most splinters come from large top guilds and the guilds decide to go this route and come back together for these events.

[collage]

i want to make a splinter guild if anyone wants to join me please inbox me i have great stats. level 40 450k attack

Dude, I still remember your quote on how to beat splinter guilds. That is to be an even better splinter. Those words are so true. You do have to work on your stats a bit because that ain't going to cut it in an elite splinter.

[marko101]

Here is how you get rid of splinter guilds... If you are a large top guild, don't allow members of splinter guilds to join you during GLTQ, Boss quests, and Raid Boss events.

Lmao at this!!! We should be home to 4 strong splinter groups very soon so that smashes your comment! Also as splinter groups are the top 10-20 players from guilds that makes us even stronger in between wars :-)

[Nacon10]

Dude, I still remember your quote on how to beat splinter guilds. That is to be an even better splinter. Those words are so true. You do have to work on your stats a bit because that ain't going to cut it in an elite splinter.

join me and we will grow strong together

[Jerusalem]

No best way is to split the wars for splinters and rank. Prior to war guild chooses rank or splinter. Then quets are automatically adjusted as well as prizes

A very restrictive idea that doesn't take into account that there are already hybrid guilds that go for both. And there are traditional guilds that strive for both rank and wins. Why can't a guild be free to purse both? Stop suggesting more limitations, and conceive of strategies to adapt and change with the game while it's still viable to play.

[Jerusalem]

i want to make a splinter guild if anyone wants to join me please inbox me i have great stats. level 40 450k attack

More power to you. It's tough with so many joining the splinter field, and requires A LOT of dedication and time, but I hope you don't give up. :)