Ok, wtf, individual rewards...

[Hersh]

This is ******* stupid. I was just told tar gree had made a statement that you only get the prize for whichever tier you are in... While I understand not wanting to gice 1-10 players 1m added to base stats, not to mention all the bonuses, the rewards are f'd up then. So im in a tier right now to receive a 6% defense bonus. The two tiers behind me are 6% attack bonuses. So if I want an attack bonus, I should stop participating in the war?? It's either I'm punished for spending money and helping my guild, or in order to get the unit I want, I stop being a team player, and cease "running to the bathroom" every hour at work. Wtf gree. I'm pissed. You should have set the rewards up with each tier getting a slightly better boost, and not had the exponential change in stats between each one, so you could have it worked the same as guild rewards. Now it's stop playing to win, or keep playing, and lose. Stupid.


/rant off

[collage]

Same predicament as me. Top 1400 gives +7% infantry attack boost. Top 3000 gives +6% infantry attack. I am somewhere in between but top 1400 is getting more distant from me. I do not want any rewards in between, so I might slow the pace and get top 3000 instead. And hey, less xp gain as well.

[Guido69]

This is ******* stupid. I was just told tar gree had made a statement that you only get the prize for whichever tier you are in... While I understand not wanting to gice 1-10 players 1m added to base stats, not to mention all the bonuses, the rewards are f'd up then. So im in a tier right now to receive a 6% defense bonus. The two tiers behind me are 6% attack bonuses. So if I want an attack bonus, I should stop participating in the war?? It's either I'm punished for spending money and helping my guild, or in order to get the unit I want, I stop being a team player, and cease "running to the bathroom" every hour at work. Wtf gree. I'm pissed. You should have set the rewards up with each tier getting a slightly better boost, and not had the exponential change in stats between each one, so you could have it worked the same as guild rewards. Now it's stop playing to win, or keep playing, and lose. Stupid.


/rant off

I don't understand. At least that way it has some resemblance of strategy. If you want to fall into a certain tier you have to use some strategy. I kind of like it. And btw defense boosts are much more valuable.

[War Eagle]

I look at it like this. The war is a TEAM event. The individual prizes are just gravy. I'm not going to base my effort, and I'm definitely not going to sandbag it, just to get a specific individual reward. Sure, I'd rather have an attack boost over a defense boost, but not at the expense of obtaining the guild objective. So if anything I might step on the gas and try to go up a tier or two, but I'm not going to stop hitting to go after a better individual prize that's a tier or two down.

[Nacon10]

Strong defense is great . You won't be a punching bag in battle .

[collage]

To each his own....I want more bite in my attack. Not going to get much defensive wins anyway since no one takes the bait even when I lower my ally count.

[Rocco69]

I kind of like the disconnect with A vs D on individual. Id prefer more D right now and am stuck in a spot where i either need to ramp up or stop - and that impacts my team effort. Kind of a cool diversion to the tap tap tap of this game. So yeah im saying i like the new issue tossed at me. and understand i might get something id rather not get unless i ditch the needs of the guild (which would only happen if i stepped back; of course my team wants me to blow my gems for "the cause")

[Shiloh]

Defense has no use in raid boss event, attack helps all the time.

[Rastlin]

Defense has no use in raid boss event, attack helps all the time.
And who cares if no one can atk you, when you can't atk back and not get CP's... I will take atk boosts, over def boosts everytime!

[Lucky Day]

Defense has no use in raid boss event, attack helps all the time.
Doesn't matter how much Boost you get from the modifier. It doesn't count towards your attack in the raid boss anyways. Your attack is bonus free.

[-H-]

Very true Lucky Day..... Glad some people have the right information before posting.

[Melcain]

I want an attack bonus as well. Specifically infantry...

[Shiloh]

Very true Lucky Day..... Glad some people have the right information before posting.

Firstly, I did not mention bonuses, secondly, the fact remains that defense affects what others do, something you can have little control over, attack enhances your actions. Anyway you slice it, attack is more useful than defense. Besides, you can always upgrade your defense buildings......

[Hersh]

Yeah, but if you actually have good stats, you shouldn't e a punching bag...I think my win:loss ratio for war was somewhere around 15:1

[Hersh]

But I would like to be able to hit level 200s more often. Adding to that an extra 450 points for my guild, is more important to me than an extra 250-300 to an enemy guild. For those, and so many more reasons, attack bonus>defense

To the person that mentioned strategy...after a point, it has nothing to do with strategy...you go for wins, or you go for points, but at the end of the war, everyone is trying to get maximum points for placement. Unless your strategy is to spend less gems, and not help your guild out as much (in which case you don't deserve your guild), then what could placement have to do with strategy?

To the person that said something or other about hang to fight for higher placement, once your over top 2000, the difference between tiers has got to be a minimum of $50, and I'm definitely being generous there.

[Guido69]

Once you get to the high levels and your stats are up, you will appreciate that defense is much more valuable than any attack boost.

[Namine33]

My defense is almost 1m more than my attack... is that normal?
I do like having a fairly high defense, but I see people with 12m/10m and I wonder if they have such higher attack, how did I get such higher defense?

[Chups Crow]

Defense boost is useless to me...I want attack!! But yeah I placed on a defense boost bonus unit. :mad:

[CJ54]

The reason that defense usually falls higher than attack in reward tiers is because it is rarer (intentionally, for game balance reasons). If you miss an attack boost, chances are you will be able to grab something equivalent in another event much more readily than a defense item. As others have stated, it does depend on your current needs though.

[Rastlin]

My defense is almost 1m more than my attack... is that normal?
I do like having a fairly high defense, but I see people with 12m/10m and I wonder if they have such higher attack, how did I get such higher defense?
It is normal...Mine has been this way for months now...I have tried everything to increase my attack.

[LMM]

cj i understand but My question is: how guild rewards are award from ranknig and all below and individual rewards are not the same? I put money to collect all those units from x top player and all below and after the event i got only one unit... Really

[CJ54]

What a kick in the balls!!!!!
Where was this announcement when battle started. Very frustrating. Not very surprising. Well done gree. As always!!!

It was over in Announcements: http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?73839-Conquest-of-Kings-Individual-Conquest-Points

[Shiloh]

Every event should be preceded by both an explanation of how it works and how the rewards are figured. Lack of communication continues to be the worst aspect of shamefully poor Gree customer service. The two biggest spenders in our guild are furious over this issue, both feel cheated. Both swear they are done buying gems. It should not require constant trips to the forums to know game and reward mechanics, but even if you do frequent these forums, you would find woefully sparse definitive communication from any Gree represtative and in some cases would find conflicting information.

I didn't spend gems on this war, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think Gree needs to find a reasonable way to make amends to its customers who spent a great deal of money with the expectation that the rewards for this guild war event worked in the same manner as other guild war prize schemes.

[Nino2]

The reason that defense usually falls higher than attack in reward tiers is because it is rarer (intentionally, for game balance reasons). If you miss an attack boost, chances are you will be able to grab something equivalent in another event much more readily than a defense item. As others have stated, it does depend on your current needs though.

CJ. I would agree but there is still the issue of an opponent with attack stats several (not a few, several) million below my defense stats who are still able to raid my buildings. What is the purpose of defense boosts if they are worthless during raids???

[Fredcole]

CJ. I would agree but there is still the issue of an opponent with attack stats several (not a few, several) million below my defense stats who are still able to raid my buildings. What is the purpose of defense boosts if they are worthless during raids???

I asked CJ this in a ticket, and trust me he wont answer. And dont ask twice or your account will be suspended.

[Rastlin]

CJ. I would agree but there is still the issue of an opponent with attack stats several (not a few, several) million below my defense stats who are still able to raid my buildings. What is the purpose of defense boosts if they are worthless during raids???
Then that would mean you disagree instead correct? :confused:

[Shadows]

cj i understand but My question is: how guild rewards are award from ranknig and all below and individual rewards are not the same? I put money to collect all those units from x top player and all below and after the event i got only one unit... Really

To be fair to Gree, there was a line on the individual rewards tab that said you would only receive one reward, and not all of them....

[Guido69]

To be fair to Gree, there was a line on the individual rewards tab that said you would only receive one reward, and not all of them....

Correct. Common sense would have also helped. It was like kiddies running into a candy store.

[CJ54]

I asked CJ this in a ticket, and trust me he wont answer. And dont ask twice or your account will be suspended.

That's totally bogus info. We don't suspend support accounts for asking questions (unless someone is sending abusive/threatening language to support, or repeatedly sending the same demand after they have been given the same answer multiple times) and we've never banned someone's in-game account over a support ticket question.

The biggest cause of that issue is because stat boosts that opponents have do not all reflect in their stats when you view their profile/attack readout. So the guy attacking you may be rocking a ton of percentile attack boosts that aren't reflected in stats. That's a bug, and it has been slated for a fix for a good long while now but it involves a major code rewrite. There is also a small percentile random element added to some (not all) combats to keep things from being totally cut and dried ("cut and dried" sounds good in theory but in actual observed practice gets boring rapidly), but this one is less of an effect than the display bug. Both those things work for you as much as against you, at least, since they affect everyone.

But both of those things become more noticable the higher your (and your enemies') base stats are, i.e. it's not that weird if it's a difference of a thousand or ten thousand, but once you get into the millions it starts to look really odd. It's something that some of the top players have had questions about for a long time, but with the overall power creep in the last few months more players see it now.

[Fredcole]

That's totally bogus info. We don't suspend support accounts for asking questions (unless someone is sending abusive/threatening language to support, or repeatedly sending the same demand after they have been given the same answer multiple times) and we've never banned someone's in-game account over a support ticket question.

The biggest cause of that issue is because stat boosts that opponents have do not all reflect in their stats when you view their profile/attack readout. So the guy attacking you may be rocking a ton of percentile attack boosts that aren't reflected in stats. That's a bug, and it has been slated for a fix for a good long while now but it involves a major code rewrite. There is also a small percentile random element added to some (not all) combats to keep things from being totally cut and dried ("cut and dried" sounds good in theory but in actual observed practice gets boring rapidly), but this one is less of an effect than the display bug. Both those things work for you as much as against you, at least, since they affect everyone.

But both of those things become more noticable the higher your (and your enemies') base stats are, i.e. it's not that weird if it's a difference of a thousand or ten thousand, but once you get into the millions it starts to look really odd. It's something that some of the top players have had questions about for a long time, but with the overall power creep in the last few months more players see it now.

So, as you know, i did not send threats or abusive language. But as i admitted, i have opened tickets that you just closed for no reason and without an answer. Now you clearly have an answer, why was it so hard to give it to me? Like you say with "top players" the difference for me has been over 5 millions and thats a long time ago(when stats wasnt even this inflated). Dont you think you should think about lifting the suspension when all i asked for was what you just answered and could have answered me in the first place?

[NinjaHonu]

cj i understand but My question is: how guild rewards are award from ranknig and all below and individual rewards are not the same? I put money to collect all those units from x top player and all below and after the event i got only one unit... Really

It would be ridiculous to give the earned prize and all the prizes below it... The top 10 players would mess everyone up. There was a dude that placed top 3 on the leader boards and pre war he was below level 100 with about 10m def. He won 3rd! I haven't compiled all the stats... but i summed up top 1 - top 4000 prize just for fun.

Gains
Raw Attack: 3,015,333
Raw Def: 2,812,291
Alliance Attack: 25%
Infantry A/D: 120% / 105%
Magic A/D: 68% / 44%
Beast A/D: 46% / 23%
Machine A/D: 23% / 12%

With all those boost and stats added to his already 10m... he would be walking around over 20m+ with a level of 99. That would be stupid. People would just quit the game. Instead he is probably 12-14m below level 100. LMAO. Still ridiculous but better than 20m+ ! At least others at higher levels can still hit him..... for now..

[Lucky Day]

So, as you know, i did not send threats or abusive language. But as i admitted, i have opened tickets that you just closed for no reason and without an answer. Now you clearly have an answer, why was it so hard to give it to me? Like you say with "top players" the difference for me has been over 5 millions and thats a long time ago(when stats wasnt even this inflated). Dont you think you should think about lifting the suspension when all i asked for was what you just answered and could have answered me in the first place?

Lol! Been 3 days since your post. Guess that's a NO!

[CJ54]

Lol! Been 3 days since your post. Guess that's a NO!

We resolved that via email in the ticketing system; he shouldn't have been suspended from Support and it got fixed.

[User5000]

That's totally bogus info. We don't suspend support accounts for asking questions (unless someone is sending abusive/threatening language to support, or repeatedly sending the same demand after they have been given the same answer multiple times) and we've never banned someone's in-game account over a support ticket question.

The biggest cause of that issue is because stat boosts that opponents have do not all reflect in their stats when you view their profile/attack readout. So the guy attacking you may be rocking a ton of percentile attack boosts that aren't reflected in stats. That's a bug, and it has been slated for a fix for a good long while now but it involves a major code rewrite. There is also a small percentile random element added to some (not all) combats to keep things from being totally cut and dried ("cut and dried" sounds good in theory but in actual observed practice gets boring rapidly), but this one is less of an effect than the display bug. Both those things work for you as much as against you, at least, since they affect everyone.

But both of those things become more noticable the higher your (and your enemies') base stats are, i.e. it's not that weird if it's a difference of a thousand or ten thousand, but once you get into the millions it starts to look really odd. It's something that some of the top players have had questions about for a long time, but with the overall power creep in the last few months more players see it now.


Dont forget that you suspend accounts that make any point of criticism or humor on Gree(d)s expense

That is forum account not in game account.

PS: watch this account be banned indefinitely now also ;)

PS II: At least have some brains when suspending an account for life to provide the reason for it other than (no reason provided). Since all that shows to me is that the person suspending me had no justified reason to do so and just had to feel better that day but acting big on the keyboard.

[CJ54]

Dont forget that you suspend accounts that make any point of criticism or humor on Gree(d)s expense

That is forum account not in game account.

PS: watch this account be banned indefinitely now also ;)

PS II: At least have some brains when suspending an account for life to provide the reason for it other than (no reason provided). Since all that shows to me is that the person suspending me had no justified reason to do so and just had to feel better that day but acting big on the keyboard.

No, but we will ban accounts for violating the posting policies, including (in this case) making duplicate accounts to get around a deserved forum ban.