Better Matching Needed ASAP!

[The Pale Rider]

When I went to bed my guild was hovering around the 75 mark. When I wake up I see we lost 3 in a row and drifted down to 100. No big deal, typically its harder to win if you only have a handful of members awake.

But then I check the logs to see who beat us and it's Konoha (#3), The Rainbow Room (#1) and Legendary Sages (#13). WTH GREE?

We are a level 48 guild ranked at the time of these match-ups between 75 and 105. That's not fun for either guild. Being farmed = boring, farming us = boring.

In past GWs we never got matched up with top 20 guilds. We've matched with almost everyone from 50-150. That's our band, I accept that sometimes we match up into the 30s, but not top 5, that's ridiculous.

Fix this matching system. Here's a hint, use rank. Don't match a guild ranked #100 with a guild ranked #1. C'mon.

[Sarah 101]

No use the element level :) ..in my guild we face sometime very weak guilds the don't even scratch us ..and sometime very strong guilds ..I think there is something not alright with the system ..devolper I still have problem in leaderboard game freeze .

[Necromancers]

Really? Our match-ups have been quite good. Our guild has been top 100 pretty much all the time, we're currently #64. Our old opponents currently are ranked #71, #90, #110, #148, #177, #206, #252 and #308. 5 Wins 3 Losses.

So they don't seem to be based on ranks only, but yeah if it's that extreme, it might be yet another iOS only issue.
I find it amusing how badly things go on iOS yet everything is perfectly fine on Android. They've had more experience programming K&D on iOS, anyway.

[Eunuchorn]

Says the android

[cafedecoy]

When I went to bed my guild was hovering around the 75 mark. When I wake up I see we lost 3 in a row and drifted down to 100. No big deal, typically its harder to win if you only have a handful of members awake.

But then I check the logs to see who beat us and it's Konoha (#3), The Rainbow Room (#1) and Legendary Sages (#13). WTH GREE?

We are a level 48 guild ranked at the time of these match-ups between 75 and 105. That's not fun for either guild. Being farmed = boring, farming us = boring.

In past GWs we never got matched up with top 20 guilds. We've matched with almost everyone from 50-150. That's our band, I accept that sometimes we match up into the 30s, but not top 5, that's ridiculous.

Fix this matching system. Here's a hint, use rank. Don't match a guild ranked #100 with a guild ranked #1. C'mon.


Sounds exactly like the story of our guild, except .. of course, take out some of the specific names of the top guilds and replace it with some other ridiculously highly ranked guilds. We are still scoring points that would have made us the winners had we been matched with guilds similar to us, instead, our win/loss stat looks so pathetic. :( :( :(

Our morale is getting kicked in the *****

[The Pale Rider]

Lopsided match-up madness continues. We are fighting tons of top 25 guilds while ranked 50+ spots behind them. I really hate being farmed by gemmer guilds scoring 80K per war (we are 10-30k before bonus - and 30 is when we use gems, 50k has never happened in 5 GWs). Whole guild is annoyed to be wasting their time over and over. Currently being farmed by #25 while ranked #83.

Oh and 80K is the low end -- RR and Konoha were scoring 400K+ on us.

[Miyabi]

Sorry to hear that.. Not exactly sure how they match too, but match within ranks will be better.

[The Pale Rider]

Sorry to hear that.. Not exactly sure how they match too, but match within ranks will be better.
Can't be much fun for you either. I started the thread because it's a new thing with this Guild War. Ignoring blitzs, GW 1 was by guild level primarliy not rank, so we fought guilds of all different ranks but the same level as us. GW2 was primarily by rank, so we fought only guilds near us in rank (with some kind of weight given to guilds we hadn't fought already so few dupes). This GW it seems there is no rational system. We are matched with guilds who've maxed levels (we are 48), score 20times more than we do on average and are top ranked.

It's like GREE saw that the system was working and set out to break it.

[bosskiller]

My guild was ranked #58 and we faced Penial Erectorus (#2)

[Street Shark]

Ya we wish touch would stop hiding from us

[Paladineguru]

It's also based on declaration times guys, your matched with the closest stats to yours , DURING the declaration period, stagger your declaration schedule if you notice top teams repeatedly, especially if your declaring back to back like gemming guilds tend to do to keep ranked spots.


Your welcome

[LionRyan]

Sorry for your losses. Learn to watch the Leaderboard :p

[iH8t2lose2]

We are ranked 29. We have fought Majestic, Forsaken twice, Majestic Alliance twice, Knights of Renais, Legends, BondBeyondTime, Epic Knight, Shadow Storm, The One, and night raiderz. These are all top 25 guilds.

[Necromancers]

We were constantly around ~#65. We fought Knights of Renais #6, Team Unicorn #29 and Epic Knights #13, back to back.
Yeah there's something wrong with match-ups.

[bosskiller]

We were constantly around ~#65. We fought Knights of Renais #6, Team Unicorn #29 and Epic Knights #13, back to back.
Yeah there's something wrong with match-ups.

And the point system... Lol. I fought the same guy and the exact same sequence happened and, while the first time I got 280, the second time I got 169. It makes no sense at all.

[GGArmani]

Would be interesting to match with top guilds :)

[The Pale Rider]

The factors for matching should be (i) average points for the guild for a battle, (ii) guild level, (iii) current position on leaderboard and (iv) who's looking for a match-up at the time of declaration. With some weight given to whether you've fought that guild already in the current GW.

The first 3 factors generate a number and the system looks for the closest pairing within X and if none exist for a minute, looks for the closest pairing within Y for next minute, etc.

The flaw is that it's over emphasizing position on leader board, so when it takes too long to find a match, and you are in the top 100, it's pairing you with a top 10. Now if you were ranking 500th, going up 150 spots might be fine for a match-up. But if you're ranked 100 going up 100 spots doesn't work. Hence the need for factors (i) and (ii) in the equation.

[Cidd]

I am surprised at how favorable our matchups have been (KoR). Maybe it is due to us only having 30 people in guild.

[Synovia]

The flaw is that it's over emphasizing position on leader board, so when it takes too long to find a match, and you are in the top 100, it's pairing you with a top 10. Now if you were ranking 500th, going up 150 spots might be fine for a match-up. But if you're ranked 100 going up 100 spots doesn't work. Hence the need for factors (i) and (ii) in the equation.

Yeah, this is exactly it.


Matching the #85 guild against the #500 guild is probably a better match than matching that #85 guild against #30, but the system doesn't see it that way.

[bosskiller]

Now we are matched up against Majestic Alliance..... We are 39 and Majestic Alliance is 12.... I suppose that isn't too horrible.

[shawnk]

so true we keep fighting racist guilds for some reason. I had to change my name to anne frank for this fight and im gonna spend 150 gems on this one lol

[iH8t2lose2]

We were constantly around ~#65. We fought Knights of Renais #6, Team Unicorn #29 and Epic Knights #13, back to back.
Yeah there's something wrong with match-ups.
I went 1-1 against you, missed twice on the loss though.

[shawnk]

We were constantly around ~#65. We fought Knights of Renais #6, Team Unicorn #29 and Epic Knights #13, back to back.
Yeah there's something wrong with match-ups.
lmao this morning I woke and checked our ranking and saw u guys weren't there because u had like 5-8 ranks on us then I think I saw u guys at 100 something we r ahead of u now :)

[paintolar]

It is quite annoying...nmy guild (125 rght now) have been matched against al mm ost nothing but top guilds. Our last opponent was the legends, and now we are facing death knights.

Not fun at all when there's no point to use more than 2 energy, bw cause you would rather jus t be ready to declare again immediately.

[Joshx135]

I went 1-1 against you, missed twice on the loss though.

Dude no way?

[Necromancers]

lmao this morning I woke and checked our ranking and saw u guys weren't there because u had like 5-8 ranks on us then I think I saw u guys at 100 something we r ahead of u now :)

Nah we are rank 71 atm. Never been lower than 75 as far as I remember.

[shawnk]

Nah we are rank 71 atm. Never been lower than 75 as far as I remember.
hmm I thought I was pretty sure but then I had just woken up. anyways good luck so far we haven't fought any of the top guilds which is nice and r gonna just flow around the top 60-80 mark. too much gems needed for top 50 with so little to gain

[BethMo]

Something has definitely gone wrong with the matching. Rainbow Room was getting matched against top 25 earlier, but it's switched to giving us a lot of guilds in the 50-100 range. We just finished a battle against "3 Stars and A Sun" who are currently ranked #78.

[cafedecoy]

Something has definitely gone wrong with the matching. Rainbow Room was getting matched against top 25 earlier, but it's switched to giving us a lot of guilds in the 50-100 range. We just finished a battle against "3 Stars and A Sun" who are currently ranked #78.

Ahh well at least you guys are getting easy match ups. We got the short end of the stick... a vast majority of our match ups have been guilds that are way advanced for us!

[Daenerys]

We are in the 170's. Last battle we were against a guild at #475. Currently, we are matched against Death Knights at #5. Yesterday, we also fought Team Awesome at #3.

From #3 to #475 is a HUGE range. And I'm sure it's no fun for either side.

[Brutal1977]

I didn't see much talk of it, but it's worth considering that the matching doesn't take into account gem spend. Without naming names, there are some really weak guilds in the top 15 on android right now.

All a guild needs to win is a player or two with a bottomless credit card. A much stronger guild that only uses free energy or very few gems stands no chance. For a 72 hour war, 40k per person is about the best you could hope for. This is great if your goal is top 25, but you'd never see top 10.

[BethMo]

Now this is really silly. Rainbow Room just fought "Ice", currently ranked #477.

[Brutal1977]

Now this is really silly. Rainbow Room just fought "Ice", currently ranked #477.

We squared off with ALTGreat a few hours ago, ranked 694 at the time.

[Necromancers]

And we're now fighting OTB #9. I'd rather wait 5 extra minutes for the system to find a guild ranked close by, than having to fight top 25 guilds several times... Jeez.

[Eunuchorn]

It occurred to me that "breaking" the matching system was their solution to us using 3rd party chats to organize GM farms.
Thanks Gree, you expanded my reach tenfold. fRRee Points for everyone! Courtesy of The Rainbow Room!

[Eunuchorn]

Well, it's 5am, we just dominated the Untouchables, & I've been putting off compiling these lists for you all!

Modern War threads complaining about matching system:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72543-answer-from-gree-match-up-formula&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72586-Gree...-Seriously&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72511-What-the-HELL-GREE-Good-job-SUP-3&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72430-Gree-matchmaking-issue!&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72499-Does-player-rank-determine-match-ups&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72439-Feedback-to-gree!-Officers-only!-Did-you-hear-it!&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72347-THIS-WAR!-we-have-the-guy-who-just-constantly-declares!&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?70961-WD-match-ups-system.&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?48022-We.-Are.-Not.-Having.-Fun.-(&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?46186-Matchup-system-still-broken&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?45561-Battle-Faction-Matchup-Algorithm&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?44273-HOW-is-this-a-FAIR-Match-up&highlight=Matchup

KA threads complaining about matching system:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71900-Simple-Idea-on-Matchup-for-next-war-event&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71690-Same-question-as-last-wars-How-are-the-matchups-for-other-guilds/page2&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71778-Calm-down-and-think-logically&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?54265-battle-matching&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?54418-Battle-Matching-sucks&highlight=Matchup

CC threads complaining about matching system:
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71671-How-syndicates-are-matched-up&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?71224-Quick-question&highlight=Declare
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?72409-Current-battle-match-ups-similar-teams-or-lopsided-match-ups&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?63421-Gree-FIX-BATTLE-MATCHUPS-ASAP!&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?61380-250-150-syndicate-matched-vrs-top-50-25&highlight=Matchup
http://www.funzio.com/forum/showthread.php?61334-NGF-is-having-a-problem-with-matching-system&highlight=Matchup


Man, those MW guys really like to complain. I highly recommend you all read every single post of every single one of those threads. Informative stuff. Not repetitive whatsoever. Once your done, Reread this thread from 1st to last post.

[Necromancers]

It occurred to me that "breaking" the matching system was their solution to us using 3rd party chats to organize GM farms.
Thanks Gree, you expanded my reach tenfold. fRRee Points for everyone! Courtesy of The Rainbow Room!
Looking at your last post, this is probably not the case. It just looks like GREE has no clue how to have a well working matching system.

[Tuamare]

Anyone else having server problems? I'm losing fights because it won't connect to register. Can't post a new thread, sorry, not allowed ;)