Chests are outdated. Can something be done about this?

[cafedecoy]

I hope you don't lump my comment up as one of those "whiner" threads because I think I have a point.

I think the contents of the chests, especially the dark prince, enchanted, and silver chests are somewhat outdated. Here's the deal. I think months ago, it may have been an awesome thing to try to forge Dark Prince's Royal armor or Swamp Shaman Robes... you know, stuff you can forge by picking up elements from the existing worlds in the game.

But here's the thing... as weeks go by, new epic armors or boss armors (legendary) are released and CLEARLY there's an inflation in the stats of these new armors (if you don't believe me, check the history of all the epics and legendary armors that were released, and you will see that the stats have been creeping up every few weeks or so), which makes the older original K&D armors more and more useless and weak compared to some of these new armors.... because clearly, the stats of these original armors are exempt from this overall armor inflation. The stats gap is widening so much that when new players ask me what strategies they should follow to strengthen their knights, I tell them to go for the weekly epic boss armors (or maybe open chests if they want to spend the $) and then maybe even shoot for the weekly epic boss +, as the rest are essentially garbage.

So why is that I'm still getting snake skins, wriggling roots, and shards etc when I open these chests..? I feel like that the game makers have rendered their own original armors obsolete, so it seems pointless to be receiving these random elements.

Can something be done to upgrade the contents of these chests, so the chest opening can be a bit more exciting? I understand that it would be silly to dispense fusion stones all the time (though I'm sure I wouldn't mind it!) but maybe the random elements can be that of the current week's epic boss for instance? That way, maybe the players who didn't quite make it to Lv15, 43, or 60 will have a shot at collecting enough elements to forge an USEFUL armor.

[bosskiller]

I agree, something should be done about that.

[Joshx135]

This is quite true, but GREE won't do anything about it.

[The Pale Rider]

But here's the thing... as weeks go by, new epic armors or boss armors (legendary) are released and CLEARLY there's an inflation in the stats of these new armors (if you don't believe me, check the history of all the epics and legendary armors that were released, and you will see that the stats have been creeping up every few weeks or so), which makes the older original K&D armors more and more useless and weak compared to some of these new armors.... because clearly, the stats of these original armors are exempt from this overall armor inflation.
I don't believe you. The stats on all armor are clearly the same. There is no increase.

[QuantumP 86]

Just keep all of your keys. Eventually the chests will get upgraded (as per the Spartan Wargear that has started appearing in fusions). The only keys that have been worth using were the beast keys in recent months.

[bosskiller]

Just keep all of your keys. Eventually the chests will get upgraded (as per the Spartan Wargear that has started appearing in fusions). The only keys that have been worth using were the beast keys in recent months.

Actually, as much as I wish it would, I doubt anything will change.

[Sparkle_DPA]

Can something be done about it, yeah. Will gree do it? nope.
(should u join the boycott cause of reasons like this? yes....)

[cafedecoy]

I don't believe you. The stats on all armor are clearly the same. There is no increase.

I'll clarify:

For instance... the max stats of the epic boss +.. (attack/defense/total)

Forgemaster's Garb (released Jan 2013): 674/746/1420
Deep Dragon Mail (released Apr 2013): 778/1223/2001
Armor of Notus (released July 2013): 954/1364/2318
Witch's Robes (this week): 1218/1255/2473

In the mean time, Dark Prince's Armor + has always consistently been 1120/899/2019. This shows that at some point, Dark Prince's Armor had superior stats than the weekly epic boss armors, but since the early summer of 2013, the epic boss stats have exceeded that of the original armors. The gap IS widening, and as the weeks go by, the original armors are becoming more and more useless.


source: http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Bosses#Epic_Bosses

[QuantumP 86]

I'll clarify:

For instance... the max stats of the epic boss +.. (attack/defense/total)

Forgemaster's Garb (released Jan 2013): 674/746/1420
Deep Dragon Mail (released Apr 2013): 778/1223/2001
Armor of Notus (released July 2013): 954/1364/2318
Witch's Robes (this week): 1218/1255/2473

In the mean time, Dark Prince's Armor + has always consistently been 1120/899/2019. This shows that at some point, Dark Prince's Armor had superior stats than the weekly epic boss armors, but since the early summer of 2013, the epic boss stats have exceeded that of the original armors. The gap IS widening, and as the weeks go by, the original armors are becoming more and more useless.


source: http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Bosses#Epic_Bosses

Good work in investigating. Clearly the Pale Rider was being serious in his post.

[cafedecoy]

Good work in investigating. Clearly the Pale Rider was being serious in his post.

Detecting sarcasm is not my forte ;)

[Zyntree]

+1 cafe,
Something to make chests more exciting should be done. I really like it when I get 250 or 500 gold. great use of a key. The most recent, and rather laughable attempts to make the DPC more interesting are clearly falling short of the mark. At this point, there is 0 reason for me to ever purchase and DPC or Enchanted chest...

[Sakino]

They will never do radical changes to the game. Company like gree take a game idea from developers like funzio, add pay for win mechanics pratically everywhere, relase a bit by a bit slighty more content for payer players and keep the game online untill no one is more payng. Then start again.

[Zyntree]

They will never do radical changes to the game. Company like gree take a game idea from developers like funzio, add pay for win mechanics pratically everywhere, relase a bit by a bit slighty more content for payer players and keep the game online untill no one is more payng. Then start again.

Perhaps they will change when they see how awesome we are... lol

[iH8t2lose2]

+1 cafe,
Something to make chests more exciting should be done. I really like it when I get 250 or 500 gold. great use of a key. The most recent, and rather laughable attempts to make the DPC more interesting are clearly falling short of the mark. At this point, there is 0 reason for me to ever purchase and DPC or Enchanted chest...
Enchanted chest isn't bad. Unless you get potions or mats of course. I got 10 fusion stones and 1 potion for boss 43.

[Ruthless Monkey]

Agreed. They are all useless to an established player.

I'm saving my DPC keys hoping one day they will introduce better armors from it, or for them to have a bonus event like "open 11 chests and get a guaranteed fusion boost armor".

[Smiley80]

I like the silver key chest since they are easy to get and give simple loot including fusion stones and gems, however maybe increase the mats they drop 3x

The 2nd key level (forgot the name) have a chance of fusion boosts and rare armor and outdated mats, these keys are harder to get. I would increase the mat drops 3x as well and manybe introduce the nemisis here

The DPC if we face facts a veteran player only wants the epics and maybe a few legendary+ that are still good, otherwise the rest is used to level gear or fusion to try for epics.

I opened 23 beast chest and got 21 2stars and 2 outdated legendaries and was really decieved, today i opened 9 silver keys and got 3 gems and 7 fusion stones and was happy. It is all relative. People will complain untill there is a chest that only gives epic then they will complain there are too many epics out there.

I vote keep it the same except triple the mats they give out and add nemisis to sencond tier keys

[Lord Of The Infernal]

ONLY UNLESS TO YOU GUYS! And that around 1-5% of players who came to this forum+ top 50 guild members and i am one of them

NOT USELESS to 99%-95% of total players who play k&d my son my daughter my friends
Gree still getting $ from DPC from new players/kids/casual player/not a forum user

[Sir Spunge ACE]

I know this is a bit off topic, but I'd love to see a higher chance of fusion stone drops. I wouldn't mind the chests so much if so. Haha.

[Eunuchorn]

ONLY UNLESS TO YOU GUYS! And that around 1-5% of players who came to this forum+ top 50 guild members and i am one of them

NOT USELESS to 99%-95% of total players who play k&d my son my daughter my friends
Gree still getting $ from DPC from new players/kids/casual player/not a forum user


Shhhh you're wrong. There's only 1 way to see everything & that's only from the view of the person looking. Other people don't exist. Duh.

[Lord Of The Infernal]

Shhhh you're wrong. There's only 1 way to see everything & that's only from the view of the person looking. Other people don't exist. Duh.


Sometimes i hate you but sometimes you speak the true.
Seriously most of them only think about themselves, and too bad gree will not even bother/listening to them

[Shinae]

It's easy to make DPC more interesting:
- Add new vanity items like wings or capes.
- New potions (example: epic energy refill, arena energy refill, guild war energy refill etc.)
- Low chance to hit big with lots of gems
- New armors of course
- Etc.

Maybe Gree is getting enough money from guild wars. They don't need us buying chests anymore.

[Alieda]

It's easy to make DPC more interesting:
- Add new vanity items like wings or capes.
- New potions (example: epic energy refill, arena energy refill, guild war energy refill etc.)
- Low chance to hit big with lots of gems
- New armors of course
- Etc.

Maybe Gree is getting enough money from guild wars. They don't need us buying chests anymore.

They need us buying ripoff 5000 gems outdated rewards or 999 gem outdated rewards, or 300 x (how many times ur feeling like wasting ur money) gems on special chests so you dont get an epic ...

everything about chests is wrong, except gold and silver

[Marco_]

Maybe Gree is getting enough money from guild wars. They don't need us buying chests anymore.
There will be a constant flow of newbies buying chests because the results are better than their starter armors/who think the 2-star fodder is better than the 1-star storyline armors...
In other words: DPC for the clueless newbies, guild wars (and special chests) for those who realised DPC sucks.
(and gem boycot for those that realize Gree doesn't care about their players. ;) )

[NickkyDC]

ONLY UNLESS TO YOU GUYS! And that around 1-5% of players who came to this forum+ top 50 guild members and i am one of them

NOT USELESS to 99%-95% of total players who play k&d my son my daughter my friends
Gree still getting $ from DPC from new players/kids/casual player/not a forum user


I feel bad for your children with grammar like that.
As for outdated chests ive been saying that forever, But the chests are the least of my concerns,
We need the story quests to be more geared everyone over 100, maybe just bump up the exp, keys and ect every 100 levels

[shawnk]

I hope you don't lump my comment up as one of those "whiner" threads because I think I have a point.

I think the contents of the chests, especially the dark prince, enchanted, and silver chests are somewhat outdated. Here's the deal. I think months ago, it may have been an awesome thing to try to forge Dark Prince's Royal armor or Swamp Shaman Robes... you know, stuff you can forge by picking up elements from the existing worlds in the game.

But here's the thing... as weeks go by, new epic armors or boss armors (legendary) are released and CLEARLY there's an inflation in the stats of these new armors (if you don't believe me, check the history of all the epics and legendary armors that were released, and you will see that the stats have been creeping up every few weeks or so), which makes the older original K&D armors more and more useless and weak compared to some of these new armors.... because clearly, the stats of these original armors are exempt from this overall armor inflation. The stats gap is widening so much that when new players ask me what strategies they should follow to strengthen their knights, I tell them to go for the weekly epic boss armors (or maybe open chests if they want to spend the $) and then maybe even shoot for the weekly epic boss +, as the rest are essentially garbage.

So why is that I'm still getting snake skins, wriggling roots, and shards etc when I open these chests..? I feel like that the game makers have rendered their own original armors obsolete, so it seems pointless to be receiving these random elements.

Can something be done to upgrade the contents of these chests, so the chest opening can be a bit more exciting? I understand that it would be silly to dispense fusion stones all the time (though I'm sure I wouldn't mind it!) but maybe the random elements can be that of the current week's epic boss for instance? That way, maybe the players who didn't quite make it to Lv15, 43, or 60 will have a shot at collecting enough elements to forge an USEFUL armor.
just don't buy them and they will eventually upgrade them hopefully :). costumers can voice their opinion with their money. there is no reason to open dp chests etc...

[Necromancers]

I feel bad for your children with grammar like that.
He's probably not English... The kids learn a different language at home and (hopefully) English on school.

[shawnk]

I feel bad for your children with grammar like that.
As for outdated chests ive been saying that forever, But the chests are the least of my concerns,
We need the story quests to be more geared everyone over 100, maybe just bump up the exp, keys and ect every 100 levels
no need to make fun of his grammer. he could be a foreignor like me and I know 3 languages and English is not my first :). ofcourse I just got into dental school and i speak full English but my grammer still sucks :) . no need to police grammer on a game forum <3

u r right about ur point on dp chests though people are buying them because they are not thinking it through. I have seen the jian fully upgraded in the arena.

[Necromancers]

u r right about ur point on dp chests though people are buying them because they are not thinking it through. I have seen the jian fully upgraded in the arena.

Yea. I have two or three friends with Jian + (nearly) maxed. Fought a few Jians + in Arena too.
Jian's Battlegear + looks amazing and it's the second best Fire/Water Armor at this point (only behind Boilerplate +), but I wouldn't spend $100 for it...

[shawnk]

Yea. I have two or three friends with Jian + (nearly) maxed. Fought a few Jians + in Arena too.
Jian's Battlegear + looks amazing and it's the second best Fire/Water Armor at this point (only behind Boilerplate +), but I wouldn't spend $100 for it...
I know man. I really wanted lol but 100 dollars for it is just too much at this point. I think they are going to roll out another fire/water soon and it will look awesome if it they incorporate water/fire in the armor design just like they have done jian

[bosskiller]

I know man. I really wanted lol but 100 dollars for it is just too much at this point. I think they are going to roll out another fire/water soon and it will look awesome if it they incorporate water/fire in the armor design just like they have done jian

Some are saying Horseman will be fire water... That could be it. That would explain why they are selling the Jian's :P

[Necromancers]

Some are saying Horseman will be fire water... That could be it. That would explain why they are selling the Jian's :P
I'm thinking Fire/Spirit honestly. It took a while since the Aegis of the Dragon deal until there was an Air/Earth EB, too.

[bosskiller]

I'm thinking Fire/Spirit honestly. It took a while since the Aegis of the Dragon deal until there was an Air/Earth EB, too.

That was the other one people were thinking. I personally think it will be Spirit, though i hope it is water, because then my Swampstone+ would cream it.

[Epon]

Really, the only completely useless items in the enchanted chests, imo, are the 250-500 gold and the abundance of metal cogs and other super old epic boss mats I get. Like seriously, I'm never going to craft those old old boss armors that are completely eclipsed by new boss armors, and certainly not an old normal version of them. No, I'm not going to waste 200,000 gold and 2-3 days to craft a 4-star armor just as either enhancing fodder or a small fusing chance (which is already filled by the current normal boss armors I craft to make a plus version).

I don't mind getting story armor crafting mats. Saves me a trip through the dungeon.

[shawnk]

Really, the only completely useless items in the enchanted chests, imo, are the 250-500 gold and the abundance of metal cogs and other super old epic boss mats I get. Like seriously, I'm never going to craft those old old boss armors that are completely eclipsed by new boss armors, and certainly not an old normal version of them. No, I'm not going to waste 200,000 gold and 2-3 days to craft a 4-star armor just as either enhancing fodder or a small fusing chance (which is already filled by the current normal boss armors I craft to make a plus version).

I don't mind getting story armor crafting mats. Saves me a trip through the dungeon.
I love the fusion stones in the enchanted chests. I don't think fusion boost armors exist in there though lol never got one ;) and guys I can see spirit being in there. U know the only thing that sucks with this game is most of the other games are giving out free stuff because its a holiday gree could have given like a few fusion boost armor or 5 gems etc to all the players that are keeping their game alive. Giving joy to people with small acts like that makes them invest more ;)

[QuantumP 86]

As a long time KA player as well, the chance chests are an interesting idea. Essentially the purpose of the chests is to give paying players an opportunity to skip ahead in the game/get ahead of the curve if you will.

In Kingdom Age, it was possible to get very strong very quickly simply spending tons of money on their random chests. The only thing is that this would not get you as strong as being in top guilds and getting those top prizes. There is a fine line I believe the company is trying to draw: give new players the opportunity to get strong quickly without allowing them to become more powerful than those long time spenders in top guilds who have put in a lot of time and money already.

[Eunuchorn]

As a long time KA player as well, the chance chests are an interesting idea. Essentially the purpose of the chests is to give paying players an opportunity to skip ahead in the game/get ahead of the curve if you will.

In Kingdom Age, it was possible to get very strong very quickly simply spending tons of money on their random chests. The only thing is that this would not get you as strong as being in top guilds and getting those top prizes. There is a fine line I believe the company is trying to draw: give new players the opportunity to get strong quickly without allowing them to become more powerful than those long time spenders in top guilds who have put in a lot of time and money already.

I remember spending my first gems in MQ on chests for a rather terrible monster. Never again I said. Little did I know..

For most Kandy players, this is their first Gree game. This game already had many Gree staples & it is getting better.

[junvo]

Sometimes you get lucky with the chests. I opened 6 Enchanted Chests hoping for a fusion stone and 5 of the 6 chests were Fusion Stones. Wound up with 13 total.

[Oxilated]

the only thing i like about enchanted chest is that it gives you free gems.

[Shinae]

Fun part about legendary materials from enchanted chest is that you can finally after year of playing get that outdated armor you wanted.

Anyways. Enchanted chests are ok. I have managed to get fusion boost armor from it and some other useful stuff. Gems etc. Silver chest should have low % to give enchanted chest keys. Only useful in that chest is gem reward. All the chests could use some updating.

[White Avenger]

This game is very easy to level to 100 for a causal gamer like myself.

You do not have to play the game long until you know all the chests minus the epics chests are out dated. If you have a half a brain you will read the guides. You will look at the armor data sheet very early in your game play and figure out - wow that armor sucks. And they want me to pay money for that?

Then after seeing the deal for gems - wow I can get 800 gems for 79.99 and I can get that Epic that keeps rotating around the chest. Then you actually buy the 300 gem deal in anticipation of getting that mega armor.... then you just get crap that's not even as good as the "bigger four". Then you just feel cheated. Ripped off. Scammed.

Then you read a post of what everyone else got. Then you think well maybe I got unlucky. The 500 gems are burning a hole in your pocket and bam another set of 11 2 star crap. Now you are feeling you got a big "G" tattooed on your back area. Then you really start reading about your chances of getting that epic.

Several things can happen you either quit the game or stick with it thinking some time in the future better odds on the chest will come around or you join a big guild if you have time and money.

I have the money I just don't have the time. Make the chests better. If you want my money give me a reason to spend it. If it stays as is. My $$$ stays in my pocket. If you had an epic + with 40 more chances at 3x epic and 30 fusion boosts - you would have had my money. So I voted with my money and said no to the $70 for 800 gems. Because if I spent any money you would have thought your promotion worked.

I will spend only if I see value. I could care less what others think is good value. Only I can determine what my value is. And it's your job (Gree) to figure out how much of carrot you need to present to get my $$$ and others like me.

[bosskiller]

You do not have to play the game long until you know all the chests minus the epics chests are out dated. If you have a half a brain you will read the guides. You will look at the armor data sheet very early in your game play and figure out - wow that armor sucks. And they want me to pay money for that?

Actually most people only use about 10% of their brain....

Other than that, the rest of your post I agree with :)

[Zyntree]

This game is very easy to level to 100 for a causal gamer like myself.

You do not have to play the game long until you know all the chests minus the epics chests are out dated. If you have a half a brain you will read the guides. You will look at the armor data sheet very early in your game play and figure out - wow that armor sucks. And they want me to pay money for that?

Then after seeing the deal for gems - wow I can get 800 gems for 79.99 and I can get that Epic that keeps rotating around the chest. Then you actually buy the 300 gem deal in anticipation of getting that mega armor.... then you just get crap that's not even as good as the "bigger four". Then you just feel cheated. Ripped off. Scammed....

...

...I will spend only if I see value. I could care less what others think is good value. Only I can determine what my value is. And it's your job (Gree) to figure out how much of carrot you need to present to get my $$$ and others like me.

Clearly until people stop buying the chests, nothing will change. I'm also voting with my money (not spending it)... perhaps if enough do it. But then the DPC will likely draw in newbies who don't read forums every time. I see the DPC as a newb chest, and the others for experienced players. My guess is that it will get an update at some point, it will be less than what any veteran wants, and will continue to be a newbie chest forever...

[EljayK]

I'll clarify:

For instance... the max stats of the epic boss +.. (attack/defense/total)

Forgemaster's Garb (released Jan 2013): 674/746/1420
Deep Dragon Mail (released Apr 2013): 778/1223/2001
Armor of Notus (released July 2013): 954/1364/2318
Witch's Robes (this week): 1218/1255/2473

In the mean time, Dark Prince's Armor + has always consistently been 1120/899/2019. This shows that at some point, Dark Prince's Armor had superior stats than the weekly epic boss armors, but since the early summer of 2013, the epic boss stats have exceeded that of the original armors. The gap IS widening, and as the weeks go by, the original armors are becoming more and more useless.


source: http://knights-and-dragons.wikia.com/wiki/Bosses#Epic_Bosses


Witch's Robes is wrong. But here's the easy power creep access

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al1IdtlQqj3EdHR5dHNkWDJjWFFZRERXZk1lOGFzW nc&usp=sharing

[Barbanium]

First of all, let me deal with this:


Actually most people only use about 10% of their brain....

I don't know if you had a sarcastic tone writing this or not but that myth has already been debunked!
If you're using only 10% of your brain, you're most likely dead by now.
As a matter of fact, every healthy human being uses 100% of his brain EVERY SECOND he lives!

[EljayK]

As far as chests are concerned, there is only one obvious way to fix it. You can't change silver keys to give better things just because you're level 100. What happens if they put crius armor in silver chests? Some level 10 gets one at random on a boss and now has crius, to level to +. You may not care because you're level 100 now, but it ruins the consistency of flow throughout the game.

The most viable solution is to make chests have a wider range of rewards, and scope those rewards to the player's level. There should also be a "throw-away" option on DPC. If you open 11, you can pick as many as you want, and "re-roll" those ones for half price. IE: You pay 300 for 11 chests, you can re-roll each individual one for 15 gems. You don't get the armor out of it since it's thrown away, but you get another shot at getting something you actually want.

[Barbanium]

Oops. Sent that prematurely. Sowwy! ;)

Anyway, with that aside, let me tell you guys something about this topic.

Despite GREE's recent weird decisions and what most people are commenting in this thread, I still have faith in this game and I believe that they will make changes to the chest system.

Why so? Here's why!

For the sake of those players who started with "3 chests + 1 occasional chest" system, there was a time when the game only has 2 options for chests, Enchanted and Silver (No DP, No Event chests). They cost the same as they are now BUT we had an option to REROLL the prize we got (if ever we didn't want it) for a lower gem price. Enchanted chests are valuable back then cause they may contain Ultra Rares.

Now, there's no reroll BUT DP and Event chests were added! Isn't that a big change?

So for those who are waiting for a change in the chest system, I assure you that there will be a change. Though I don't guarantee that the value of these existing chests will remain the same after that change.

Honestly, I think GREE will just delete Silver chest from the game, decrease the values of Enchanted and DP chest, and make Event chests not so Event-y (They'll make them stationary). This is just my opinion, of course. ;)

[cafedecoy]

So I don't know how often people at GREE read stuff from here, and I'm also not unsure of their sense of cynical/sarcastic humor.... but I just recently opened chests with 11 silver keys and 7/11 were gold bars. LOL... all in different quantities (which is unusual because I'm pretty sure I only saw in 250 gold units before).

So I ended up getting a few thousand gold and a bunch of random nuthins ;)

very funny. very