Same question as last wars - How are the matchups for other guilds?

[KM KAge]

This time around we are getting matched against much stronger guilds again. Top 10s and top 50s. (We are top 150). This is getting very old.
Between this and all of the other problems, there are many of us considering other ways to occupy and time and invest our entertainment dollars.

[Shadows]

We're top 550 guild... we've fought a 1200+ guild and a Top 315 guild...

so no rhyme or reason... I'm hoping for more 1200+s!! LOL

[Zenobia]

We were matched with all 3 of the Top 3 guilds in the first 11 hours. But we have been ranker higher than we usually do so that is not unexpected.

1 repeat match-up so far

[Raistlin-MN]

If it's any consolation, you got to mop the floor with us earlier tonight :) we've been in a range mostly around us with a few lower levels peppered in.

[Apache22]

Stupid matchup... Got matched against samurai blood... We are top 75-100 and if anyone can explain??? We hit a guy with 1,4 million def... And we lost EVERYONE of those fights... We are over 3-3,5 million attack!?

[Zenobia]

If it's any consolation, you got to mop the floor with us earlier tonight :) we've been in a range mostly around us with a few lower levels peppered in.
:) Hey, we gotta pass the pain down the line. ;)

And now our 12th battle is a repeat opponent from our 5th I think it was. So of 12 battles, 4 have been against 2 guilds. So IMO it is a lot of repetition for this early in the game.

[Krayt]

Stupid matchup... Got matched against samurai blood... We are top 75-100 and if anyone can explain??? We hit a guy with 1,4 million def... And we lost EVERYONE of those fights... We are over 3-3,5 million attack!?

Are you sure it was 1.4m and not 14m?

[KM KAge]

We have had 3 top 10 guilds so far, and we are top 150.

[Person]

its now safe to say, really crappy :)

[Zenobia]

So crappy we can't even get the 3-peat guild quest completed LMAO!

And so far there are... I think 4 guilds that we have faced twice. In 24 hours. Oh, and 3 of 4 or our repeat customers have been Top 5 teams. :)

[Zenobia]

And now a Top 5 team.. for the THIRD time already in this war that is only 23 hours old... and also this same team TWICE IN A FRIGGEN ROW no less.

Nice, Gree. Real nice. Your change in the matching system to make FUN's wait time for matches shorter a few wars ago has been everything BUT fun for everyone else.

[Person]

to sum up how awesome our matchups are.

we're still on 2/10 of the streak LTQ, havent been able to win 3 wars in a row yet :)

[KM KAge]

to sum up how awesome our matchups are.

we're still on 2/10 of the streak LTQ, havent been able to win 3 wars in a row yet :)
3 in a row?
We broke out the champagne for our win streak of 1, and that was against SB 4.

[Raistlin-MN]

we're still on 2/10 of the streak LTQ, havent been able to win 3 wars in a row yet :)

We can't get by the 3 win streak. Get two good matchups, then a crap matchup. Lost by a measles 2k on the last one. Two over 100 ranks, then a 16th ranked. Matchups are definitely jacked.

[alonibb]

Actually we get fair matchups. Out of 20 1 or 2 has been very bad and unfair. The rest has been what you can expect. Some harder and some easier.

[Apache22]

[it really was 1,4 we double checked and we even took screenshots

QUOTE=Krayt;1036263]Are you sure it was 1.4m and not 14m?[/QUOTE]

[Platform96]

kind of annoying getting bad matchups

[Iron Maiden]

:) Hey, we gotta pass the pain down the line. ;)

And now our 12th battle is a repeat opponent from our 5th I think it was. So of 12 battles, 4 have been against 2 guilds. So IMO it is a lot of repetition for this early in the game.

I have to agree with the amount of repetition. We have battled two different guilds three times each and still have fought some others twice. Its a double edged sword though...

[Rastlin]

And just got FUN, and RK again back to back....

[Person]

[it really was 1,4 we double checked and we even took screenshots

QUOTE=Krayt;1036263]Are you sure it was 1.4m and not 14m?[/QUOTE]

if you have past 10m stats the last digit falls off. You should really look at the strongest units he/she had to see if it was 1.4m or 14m

[Zenobia]

Well, I would rather face FUN and RK multiple times than other guilds who are turning out to be bad winners. I retract all the nice things I said previously about BoB being an honorable opponent to face.

[Darth Randy]

The matching system is based on rank far more than anything else I think, which means timing, sandbagging, and other nuances of playing the war still trump the straight up manner of fight a war and do your best approach.

Average stats, past opponent matching seem to be completely absent from the algorithm even though I presume most people would consider those more fair than total CP, since guilds can and do manipulate that.

[Rastlin]

Well, I would rather face FUN and RK multiple times than other guilds who are turning out to be bad winners. I retract all the nice things I said previously about BoB being an honorable opponent to face.
No kidding the posts on our member's wall during battle were appalling, and 100% unprovoked on our end!!!

[JayW]

Sorry Crows. RK certainly hasn't wanted to see you as many times as we have. Sorry for all the sore backsides on your 195+ Crows. We've drawn a lot of guilds multiple times. But no SB yet. We'd love to draw them every war til the end!

[Iron Maiden]

The matching system is based on rank far more than anything else I think, which means timing, sandbagging, and other nuances of playing the war still trump the straight up manner of fight a war and do your best approach.

Average stats, past opponent matching seem to be completely absent from the algorithm even though I presume most people would consider those more fair than total CP, since guilds can and do manipulate that.

I would love to see it with an average of stats for sure...

[Zenobia]

Anyone from FDK around? Is the the fourth or fifth time Gree has matched us this war?

Our matches are so bad we STILL have not completed heroic 2/9: win 3 in a row. I kid you not.

[senna]

MoC is a top team and have a large number of players with exceptionally high stats. Not easy to win against but fortunately we did. Hope you guys have better luck in the draw.

[finallyfree]

Anyone from FDK around? Is the the fourth or fifth time Gree has matched us this war?

Our matches are so bad we STILL have not completed heroic 2/9: win 3 in a row. I kid you not.

ouch zen, sorry to hear that.. .. please come and rob my wine for your refreshment :o

[Zenobia]

ouch zen, sorry to hear that.. .. please come and rob my wine for your refreshment :o
I do not drink but yout lovely wine would probably get me some good gold on the black market. ;)

[BillyGates]

Up in Top200 land I must say I'm very unhappy about the matchups as well. Just when we'll get a couple matched up close on the leaderboard, then get someone double our CP in the Top50-75 range. This is with a 2 minute wait time!

This has happened 2-3 times now... :(

I don't know if the issue is not enough guilds in the 'selection pool' during the Declare time. I've seen wait times anywhere from 1 to 4 minutes.

I'd prefer a 5 minute wait time for a closer leaderboard matchup position!

Unless this is built-in stupid randomness like CP return. :(

[anchlovi]

...
Just when we'll get a couple matched up close on the leaderboard, then get someone double our CP... This is with a 2 minute wait time!

This has happened 2-3 times now... :(

I'd prefer a 5 minute wait time for a closer leaderboard matchup position!


Same here just we are in the top400

[BillyGates]

And this is even worse... was on 4 consecutive wins with guilds +/- 100 on the leaderboard (we're Top200/480k CP)... I can handle that...

going for 5th consecutive... get a guild matchup with 1.1Mil CP just outside of Top50 ... then matches up within 1 minute of declaring... they're unhittable we lose...

Declare right away, oh well... get the exact same Top50-ish guild after a 2 minute wait time...

As I've said... it feels like we're the only 2 guilds that have declared in that time period... so let's increase the wait time pleeeease! How about 5 minutes?

[Ereaser]

Seems like when you're about to get a streak you get a tougher guild... Really frustrating

[anchlovi]

Seems like when you're about to get a streak you get a tougher guild... Really frustrating

Now we are at the start of a new string and we are matched vs a top 50 guild. Before that was a top 100 guild. What is going on here? Only those who spent mountains of gold have the right to win?

[KenjoMegi1]

we have maintained a top 400 position in both this war and the last but we have three members with 1mil+ stats and they are just over 1mil., but the guilds we are fighting have almost the entire guild over a mil, we all have to waste a ton of gems trying to get points.
we are going against unfair odds. we've managed to keep an 8win 5lose ratio so far but just hardly.
-Kenjo Megi

[FeelSoHigh]

Worst pairings since the beginning of guild/war era. 50% of the battles we have an easy win, and 50% we just loose because rivals are out of range in stats (more and more mini guilds/incredible stats players).

[Zenobia]

Just get over it people! Gree changed the matching system to satsfy FUN's demand for shorter matching times and we all pay the price. But this is the Gree forum where no complaining is allowed, so shut up! If you don't like something about the game send in a ticket but for god's sake don't upset the forumites who can't handle complaining about the game. You are only allowed to say nice things on the forum, and none of those nice things are allowed to be about your own guild. And if you do congratulate your guildmates on a big achievement, even if, as soon as others achieve it, you change the thread to be all about congratulating and listing everyone who reaches it, and never create a thread to share on your own achievements again... you will NEVER EVER be forgiven by a lovely small band of jealous haters who will complain 10 times a day that you complain to much, and that you bragged once. Even if for every complaint about Gree, you have 10 posts of support for other players, or advice, or congrats, or constructive criticism with ideas for improvement for Gree, it doesn't matter! One of those 10 is a complaint so you are a despicable person who should be forced out of the forum by a nasty small group of trolls!

Oh, wait, you guys aren't MoC. Sorry, none of that applies to you. Carry on. :)

[Guido69]

Just get over it people! Gree changed the matching system to satsfy FUN's demand for shorter matching times and we all pay the price.

You are still obsessed with this fictitious and simply erroneous opinion...

If you knew our matching times, you would not say that. We are still waiting much longer than everyone else here. One of the reasons we were lagging behind in the beginning. But hey, keep at it, it seems you need it.

[Ssne]

I'm not a coder, but it seems like something per following would help:

If guild 1 finished last war at 150 rank, and guild 2 finished last war at 25 rank, AND current CP totals have guild 1 at 215th place and guild 2 at 25th place AND guild 1 stats cannot hit anyone on guild 2, DO NOT MATCH.

But seemingly, they cannot code this.

[Zenobia]

Oh so those who came online and said your match time was 5-10 minutes better back when they changed it were lying then? Or just wrong? Either way, when some say one thing and some another, and the one version of events matches his his own agenda of denying the truth of this article http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/ , surely it is understandable why I choose to believe the other.

[Guido69]

Oh so those who came online and said your match time was 5-10 minutes better back when they changed it were lying then? Or just wrong? Either way, when some say one thing and some another, and the one version of events matches his his own agenda of denying the truth of this article http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/ , surely it is understandable why I choose to believe the other.

It got better but we still wait longer than everyone else, especially in the beginning of the war. You take off 5 to 10 minutes for 30 to 40 minutes, you still wait unacceptably long.

And stop with "WE all know..." You are not the officially elected voice of the forum. It is your own (wrong) opinion. Are you in FUN...NO. Do you know our waiting time... NO

[Zenobia]

It got better but we still wait longer than everyone else, especially in the beginning of the war. You take off 5 to 10 minutes for 30 to 40 minutes, you still wait unacceptably long.

And stop with "WE all know..." You are not the officially elected voice of the forum. It is your own (wrong) opinion. Are you in FUN...NO. Do you know our waiting time... NO

How does my saying "others in your guild said" the waiting time got better become "we all know"?! And how does my "5-10 minutes better" become to you that i said your matching times were now ideal? WOW I can't think of a better example of seeing what you want to see not what is there. And BTW, I have never blamed FUN for the changes Gree makes to the game to the detriment of other guilds. I blame Gree for their kowtowing, just like the article explains all companies like gree do. So I do not understand why you hate on me so much when I blame Gree not you or your guild.

[KM KAge]

This is not a new problem for us, so it is not the effort to shorten wait times. That just magnified the problem Looking back over the last 3 sets of wars, the matching algorithm has been a real issue for us. Last time we were matched 30 out of 31 times against guilds MUCH stronger than us. The time before was not much better. This time, we have seen nothing except guilds in the top 60 (4 between 4-15) and brand new guilds that were setup for the wars and were populated with low level high stat members.
There are 120+ teams stronger than us by ranking stats. That means that there are over 1,000 that are weaker. Even a split of 50/50 would be welcome, as the top teams are more active. The actual results of the matching algorithm do not reflect the intent or the latest OFFICIAL posting of how the algorithm works.

[It's all a dream]

Out matchups were ok up till a few hours ago, besides a few top25 while in top50 or lower we only met up with Dragon Warriors II, however today things changed, right at the end of a streak we got a top25 while barely in top50, we won, but the last streak fight we got FUN, then another top25, them TRK, then a normal one close to us and now RK.
Seriously we are lower in ranks than saturday but we get top5 teams every other battle now?
And also always a difficult team far into a streak.

Gree your matchup is broken or you have programmed things in that you are not telling us.

[Zenobia]

This is not a new problem for us, so it is not the effort to shorten wait times. That just magnified the problem Looking back over the last 3 sets of wars, the matching algorithm has been a real issue for us. Last time we were matched 30 out of 31 times against guilds MUCH stronger than us. The time before was not much better. This time, we have seen nothing except guilds in the top 60 (4 between 4-15) and brand new guilds that were setup for the wars and were populated with low level high stat members.
There are 120+ teams stronger than us by ranking stats. That means that there are over 1,000 that are weaker. Even a split of 50/50 would be welcome, as the top teams are more active. The actual results of the matching algorithm do not reflect the intent or the latest OFFICIAL posting of how the algorithm works.

The shorter wait times Gree folks came on to forum to tell us about started 3 wars ago. So your experience matches that of most of us.

[Darth Randy]

Overall it appears to be the exact same matching algorithm as last time, which is to say it blows. The wars have done more to disenfranchise me than any other aspect of the game. GREE SAYS NOTHING on the issue so I have to assume they see no problem. They smartly added an individual quest thus time which has spurred people to spend a little more than before and they probably got an added bonus from the unexpected fast start from RK, so the bottom line is still holing I would guess.

I'm pondering an exit from KA, I unfortunately care about the ability of my character to compete and after maybe a year, to much money, WAY to much time I have a toon that's fodder for 2 out of every 3 guilds we face. 2 out of every 3 guilds we have faced this war are double to triple our strength. Most have less members. After the last war and seeing that I was not alone in my concerns I decided to see if Gree would respond, they did, they added the iLTQ, to increase gem usage, and nothing else. Ok, I get the message.

[justsomedood5]

The shorter wait times Gree folks came on to forum to tell us about started 3 wars ago. So your experience matches that of most of us.

Honest question - unless I'm mistaken, weren't the shorter times gree referenced only for the very first match of the war (since those used to take up to an hour or more)?

[Bohemian]

Every guilds want to fight weaker. There will be no solution will satisfy all.
Its all come back to your luck. So Good Luck......... 👏🙏

[BillyGates]

Every guilds want to fight weaker. There will be no solution will satisfy all.
Its all come back to your luck. So Good Luck........

No, I just ask to fight guilds + or - as reasonable amount on the leaderboard. + or - 25 would be nice... but not enough teams declare in the current wait time (which appears to be 4 mins max) to allow that...

The beginning of war wait-times awhile ago shouldn't be confused with server failures and overloads which happened a few times...

[alonibb]

I take back what I said about decent matchups. This last day of war has been catastrophical for us. We constantly get guilds with no targets for us. Now we fight a guild which was top 20 last war. We are a top 200 guild. The Difference between top 200 and top 20 is huuuge!. I think we have scored like 5k total in 3 battles.. Not fun anymore.

[BillyGates]

I hear ya... Top200 here too... not sure why they're not matching us up against each other!

We have 870k CP currently the last 4 battles have been against:

We Are Friends 1,065,923
Flub ... missed it... they're Top50 usually tho
Elite Assassins Guild... 1,160,796
Kings Of Middle Earth... 1,550,051

and currently fighting someone that has the 56 consecutive unit... LOL

The matching for Top200 does not appear to be based on anything close to your current CP anymore...

[Darth Randy]

We are a top 300 guild and fought 2 of those in last 24 hours and are up against a guild even tougher now. It's ridiculous.

[Orsmo]

We are in the 400 range and fighting some of those

[alonibb]

After some heavy gem battles to be able to get to the 50 win Gree matched us to a guild with not 1 single target for any of us. Their lowest is stronger than our strongest. We ended up with 49 wins. 3 long days and nights battling for the goal of 50 wins with tons of gems spent because of the bad matching the last day ended up with us not even given the chance.

I really cant help thinking that everytime we were about to manage a "win in a row" award we got a very difficult opponent and when we were about to get the final prize Gree screwed us on it. This is not just bad luck. There must be a mechanism making it harder when you are close. This mechanism is not well programmed.

Like I said last war. To be matched against a guild with no targets at all for anyone is a big FAIL on Grees programmers. Its okay to be difficult but not impossible. And its not okay to do this in the last battle.

[BillyGates]

Just to give people some statistics...

We're in the Top200 area... and here were our 30 final matchups.

http://i.imgur.com/x5mTmBd.jpg

All the guilds with #NA Highland Pass results were unhittable Consecutive winner guilds.

My complaint is just based on our Leaderboard ranking and back-to-back matchups.

7-8 of the 30 matchups were against guilds lower than us... 22-23 higher...

Makes us wonder what's the point of trying to get units in other quests when we're going to be unfairly ranked against opponents.

I'm just asking for something closer to a 50/50 above/below the leaderboard matchup.