A personal view and decision about the current boss event

[Guido69]

Hi, I have decided to not go for the level 100 boss in the current event.

Before some of you draft a nasty response to this post and thread please keep reading.

I chose to not go for it because the amount of gems (money) and especially the amount of time required to finish it is absolutely absurd for a high level player. I heard from other high level players that boss 80 requires about 70-80 gold hits and about 200 gems for health refills. I am not against challenging events that cost money and time to complete but this time Gree has gone overboard for me. I currently have enough gems to finish it but the time required to complete this event is not worth it for me. I am not willing to donate every single minute of the day (and necessarily the night) to Gree trying to finish an event in a video game.

If that is the way Gree is going with KA events, I will follow what others have said before me. Free play is not an option for me, I would rather quit. If this game becomes ( and it rapidly does) a burden for me, then I will gladly delete it.

Please know that I am not telling anyone what to do, rather voicing my own decision. If anyone wants to go for this unit, and it is a great unit stats-wise, please do. Everyone has to make their own choice. I have participated and finished every single KA event for the last many months but this time Gree went way overboard in my eyes.

Nothing for me is worth spending that much time on a game.

The actual reason for starting this thread however is that I would like to invite every moderate to high gem spender to post in this thread if they also choose to NOT go for this unit. Please refrain from posting hostile and accusing posts. I would like to keep this thread on track so that Gree finds the opinion of players who spend a considerable amount of money on this game in one place. You gotta make it easy for them :)

I know that I annoyed and maybe even angered some players here on the forum before. But please hold no grudge. Sometime it is just fun to stir the pot a little bit. But this thread is meant to be serious and please keep it that way.

I am looking forward to read your responses.

Guido (FUN member since the start of the guild wars)

[larrydavid]

I dig it. This event is unrealistic for any medium-high level player. No gems from our guild.

[Euchred]

I wrote in to support yesterday explaining that it was too unrealistic and as such very frustrating. They told me they sent my feedback directly to their engineers. I was ready to drop some gems for this to the tune of 2-3k.

[Rastlin]

I am not going for it (I have been a low level bonus player).

[Uberfauker]

Heavy gem spender, approximately $1,500 US

To me, this is a "wake-up call" that GREE is defiantly going under and they are trying to get us to spend as much money as we possibly can before they shut everything down...last minute desperate attempt. I'll spend the remaining gems that I have on the wars and then it will be difficult for me to purchase again without some assurance that the game will still be here for a while...

Obviously, no gems from me on this event.

[NinjaHonu]

Wow 70-80 gold hits for a level 80 boss from top players in the game. That's ridiculous. If a player who has gotten the top prize in every conquest event and LTQ takes that many hits... how is it possible for any other players to come close to finishing? FUN pays to be the best, therefore IMO every event should be much easier for them to complete. Everyone complained when FUN finished the first raid boss so quickly... WHO GIVES A ****. They paid to be able to do that. Now gree makes EVERY f'n event so much harder so FUN needs to spend gems to complete it as well. If FUN needs to spend 1000s of gems to complete an event... guess what??? A average player like myself who is around 4-5m attack is now screwed and has no hope of completing these events. Unless I'm willing to dish out 5-10 times the amount of gems as FUN players... which im not.
I agree that events should be challenging BUT doable for the top 10% of players willing to put the time and effort to complete it. With a reasonable amount of gems. If the .001%'s can't even do it... then that's just BS.

[Ratma2001]

i will not be participating due to the time commitment and gems required ! I am not a bank or a money machine, why would i spend a mortgage repayment for a game when i can have a HOUSE !, i think Gree is pushing too hard for the $$ and thus pushing many player to Alternative platforms or the door!


I'd be lucky to get to Boss 40 at the moment , last Boss i got to 37 with a Push
Shame really from what it used to be to just out and out give us your money !

[Zenobia]

I am not spending a single gem on this event due to "winning" it being an obscenely unattainable goal.

I do believe that is the case for every member of my guild, which normally runs the gamut from free to heavy gem spender. All getting only as far as gold will take us this time.

[pendentive]

(ex-HEAVY gem spender here)


....I will NOT be doing the 100 BOSS kill.


I can only think that GREE got too far ahead of themselves on this one. They thought they could just up the ante more and more....but guess what? even the top of the pyramid likes a break now and then.

That's why I say "vote with your dollars" folks.

If you don't like it, don't do it.

Contrary to what some believe...GREE *does* listen to our complaints and suggestions.


If you are a Moderate/Heavy gem spender - join me in sending in a support ticket saying "I will not be spending any money or gems on this event". Feel free to add adjectives and superlatives where necessary. ;)


[edited to add]
Ticket sent

[Guido69]

Thanks guys for all the responses so far and for keeping it on track.

Let's keep hearing it from all of you out there...

[E-I]

I am will help my guild get each of the daily quest units. But 100 bosses? Gree has gone way overboard on this one.

[Perfuzzie]

i`ll do the 45 and stop there , the Sh@dow unit is a must have ... 100 ? Gree has lost their damn mind ...

[Namine33]

I am with Perfuzzie... I am stopping at 45... will help the guild as much as I can though, but definitely not trying for 100

[Alexius]

As soon as I needed my first gold hit at boss 8 I knew I wasn't going to spend any money on this event. It's absolutely stupid to be completely frank to spend that much money on a unit that will help you gain 10% stronger attacks against epic bosses that they will raise by 300% strength at the drop of a hat and take away your advantages.

I also won't spend a dime to complete the guild portion. At max you would gain 25% more points in ONE war and likely will spend 1500 gems if your guild gets it. I usually go anywhere between 100k-250k(and am probably going to spend even less due to my recent dissatisfaction with the game in general). Why would I spend that much to gain an extra 10k when that same amount gems I spent on it would double my war output? <----------Purely rhetorical question.

[aphroKEN]

I think it would be much faster if you used Mega Attacks. It would be more expensive than gold hits + refills. But when time > gems, it is a viable option.

[Skyraiders]

I can't believe they thought the prize at the end was going to make everyone run to the gem counter.......I have been a heavy gem user in the past but have recently come to the conclusion that they have become ridiculous with the amount of gems required to complete any event.....toss in a box event on top of this ....plus a raid boss event....then a war...hahaha.....

Guido....we don't always see eye to eye....on this we definitely agree.....whole heartedly .....no gems from me.....will go for shadow unit....but may stop there

[Vachau]

It is rather obvious that this event is designed to get the moderate gem spenders to buy more gems at full price. We didn't even get a 20% sale. This kind of reward is a great boost to anyone, especially the moderate spender. I am a light gem spender and refuse to use my free gems on this event. The Sailor Scouts are pushing as far as we can go with the daily goals, but none of us are spending on this ridiculous event.

[custos]

It is rather obvious that this event is designed to get the moderate gem spenders to buy more gems at full price.

Nope, it's another way to drain the accounts of the whales. The target market for freemium games is not the moderate gem spenders, and it certainly isn't the free players. Have a read of this (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/195806/chasing_the_whale_examining_the_.php?print=1)...

e.g.


One player, who called himself Gladoscc, told me that he used to play a web-based MMO called eRepublik, in which players waged wars against each other. In total, Gladoscc spent more than $30,000 on the game. "The geniusly evil part about eRepublik is that you have to spend money in order to neutralize the enemy's money," he says. "It's spreadsheet PVP, though. The social aspect is what kept me in."

When he managed to finally kick the habit, a random stranger added him on Skype weeks later, only to discover that it was the creator of eRepublik. He had hunted down Gladoscc's details so he could ask him why he had quit, and try to entice him back.

[Master Stormzs]

Mid - Heavy gemmer here....NOT going for boss 100 as well...sometimes it's good to practice restraint and think logically.
- Cheers for starting this btw

[Guido69]

Thanks again for keeping it civil. Keep it coming guys and gals.

Thanks Skyraider.

[Erageous]

Moderate to heavy gem user here, also not going for the 100. I am assisting my guild with daily kill requirements as much as I can but even that is almost getting overwhelming.

I don't have an office job where I can sneak away on my phone every 15 minutes to get hits on the boss. I teach yoga and fitness classes and work part time at a coffee house. This event gas been more time consuming that anything I have done before in KA. And I'm one of those people who don't mind setting an alarm during the night on battle weekends; hell I think its kinda fun. Husband doesn't too much. Just teases me about my dungeons and dragons game :)

But this event has been a chore. I have dreaded turning the game on. Not cool Gree, not cool.

[Nacon10]

i doubt gree is shutting down KA. this is gree leveling the field again just like they did with the war LTQ. If this is the new design for epic boss events then it will allow low levels to gain grown on the high level players who have an advantage with large energy bars that get far or complete ltqs.

[Gerbear]

Light to moderate spender and agree with all what was said. Even the heavy gem spenders of my guild opted out of this one. It sounds like the majority of people on this post want Gree to change. I don't think it is ok to blame it on FUN either, the programmers got away from the basics. I miss my old kingdom age game!

[Burnt flesh]

I'm not a big gemmer at all. Maybe $100 a month. But I'm a supporter of those who do. And what I mean by this is, I never complain about the prizes being too good for first place war. FUN, RK, and all of top ten deserve the prizes they get. The reward for the raid boss was laughable at best, but the bigs went for it. This epic boss event is absurd. I have decent attack at 6.6mil and was using 2 gold hits by lvl 12. It's a shame gree doesn't seem to care about pissing off everyone playing this game. And as many of you have said, it's also the TIME required to finish, not just the gems. Gree lived up to their name with this one, we all know what it is. And while the true stat boost of the reward is nice, a 10% boost to the next epic boss is honestly dumb as hell. I will also be trying to get the shadow unit, I'm even going to spend some gems to get it. I also think everyone should have it. Lastly, I want to thank all of our big spenders for keeping the game we all love going, and my fingers are crossed that maybe, just maybe gree actually gives as much a damn about this game as we do.

[Capitalsfanatic]

Moderate to heavy gem spender, but choose not to participate in this event. To much time and money to complete. My guild is not participating or investing gems either. Gems are better invested in other more reasonable GLTQs, ILTQs, or battle events.

[Ratma2001]

And to this the reason so many HLP have now spawned LLP's that can smash 50-60 bosses easy!, simple Gree maths LLPs can do more bosses , just make room in your guild for a handful of these and job done! although the 100 wont see many HLP get this unit , equate the bottom line HLP suffer LLP gain big stats

[justsomedood5]

Heavy gem spender here (have to assume 15-30k gems per month is at least on the heavy side...). Will not be going to boss 100, particularly since 10% boost vs next epic boss is worthless when they will just triple the next boss's HP anyway. Also, 100 bosses is beyond boring. Thanks but no thanks.

[Shadows]

And to this the reason so many HLP have now spawned LLP's that can smash 50-60 bosses easy!, simple Gree maths LLPs can do more bosses , just make room in your guild for a handful of these and job done! although the 100 wont see many HLP get this unit , equate the bottom line HLP suffer LLP gain big stats

Hmmm... so this is why Gree inflated boss health... makes sense...

[custos]

And to this the reason so many HLP have now spawned LLP's that can smash 50-60 bosses easy!, simple Gree maths LLPs can do more bosses , just make room in your guild for a handful of these and job done!

That's right. Gree might need to rethink this quest style. The easiest solution, if you happen to have an old unused phone lying around, it to create a mini, get it up to level five, kill 50 bosses, reset the device to factory settings, reinstall KA and create a new mini, then repeat.

It's even easier in CC and MW -- you can just run an android emulator on your PC to do the same thing.

[itsaklayton]

Heavy spender for over a year. Too much this time. Breaking point in the game. I will not buy gems, will not go for the 100 boss, and once my store of gems is exhausted will stop playing the game.

[P4TR1C14N]

No comment needed... my breakpoint was reached already quite some time ago.

Such a pitty Gree doesn't listen and want to listen.

But positive side is it seems a lot of spenders have reached the limit and that's the only way to get Gree to listen and act. I see two possible scenarios:
1. Gree does listen and tries to save their business
2. Gree does not listen, puts more pressure as they want to squeeze as fast as possible a lot off money due to their bad financial situation.

As Gree is on the stock market, option 1 is a no go so we got a vicious circle... squeeze till it's dead i fear.

[Vile Lynn]

I have opted out... I'm saving my money for war, and I'm cutting way back on that, too.

*hoping for a bug-free war this weekend*

[Guido69]

Thanks you all for your posts. Please if you have not posted yet, are a heavy or moderate gem spender, and are not going for level 100 boss, do so. The more feedback Gree gets from paying customers the better it might be.

[JPNy]

Good Thread Guido69. I know we didn't agree much lately.
Anyway this time I agree with you. As an heavy spender, I have to confess that I was first tempted to run for this prize !
Reading the whole thread I have also decided to slow down the gems machine and won't run anymore for boss 100.
It has a sense only if your guild works also for the 5 daily quests and as mine will not and I don't want to put more pressure on my guildies, I am giving up for this time.

[Samskill]

GREE is definitely setting a unrealistic target this event. I am stoping at boss 60 and asking GREE go fly kite!*
* my local slang for asking GREE to fxxx Oxx .

[Dogs Pizza]

heavy gem user, not going for this one. Gree is milking us more and more, it takes the fun out of it.

[Ryosaeba]

I don't see why the obsession to "must have every prize available." The best way to put this is comparing it to buying cars.

When you go to shop for a car, do you immediately want to buy a Lamborghini Veneno (most expensive car in the world priced at $3,900,000)? No. You go and find what you can afford. Maybe it's a Honda, or maybe it's a Lexus. Or perhaps you're pretty well off and can afford a Benz or something a little better.

The line has to be drawn somewhere. This prize, IMO, was made for the filthy rich. People that can throw away a few grand a week without breaking a sweat. This prize is NOT for all of us. No prize is. No prize should be. If you can afford a prize that took $100 to complete, someone that could only spend $50 will be complaining. And this pretty much goes on down the list. Someone who is not willing to spend as much as you will complain that it's too hard.

Its only a game guys. Don't get so worked up.

[Ryosaeba]

heavy gem user, not going for this one. Gree is milking us more and more, it takes the fun out of it.

Perhaps it's a way to see how much people are willing to spend, to see people's limits, and adjust the difficulty in the next events accordingly.

[pendentive]

the real question is this:
those of you that are abstaining from this silliness - would you readily jump back on the bandwagon if GREE released a 40% sale? If "yes"...then I personally feel that this thread is sending the wrong message. If "no", then I salute you...as I feel exactly the same way.

We need to start a "Sitting It Out" thread - with a list of moderate-to-heavy gem spenders who have now decided to go free.

[Bloodsucker]

Ok...Ive been wanting to give my opinion for a while but have been busy.

I believe that most here are completely off the mark. I support what GREE did here. There is always SOOOOO much complaining that the gap in power between the top an bottom is unmanageable to the point that the people on top will always be too strong to catch up to.

This event is hopefully just the start to a string of events that will allow low lvl players, new players and campers the ability to "keep up" with high stat players.

The idea that every person needs to finish every event is ridiculous. There have been DOZENS of events in the last month alone that my llp is just too weak to do. As such, the gap between him and FUN stats continues to expand. Now there is finally an event that my llp can complete and the high stat high lvl players wont be able to! I get to catch up a little!

I personally hope there are more events like this to help close the gap for newer players and older players. There is NOTHING that says that every event must be completed...so I say to those high stat players who cant finish...sit this one out the way ive been forced to sit out so many other events because it wad geared to high stat players.

My ONLY criticism would be that the experience for this event is rather high for a newer player. I could see it causing 20-30 lvls for someone new enough.

[P4TR1C14N]

Ok...Ive been wanting to give my opinion for a while but have been busy.

I believe that most here are completely off the mark. I support what GREE did here. There is always SOOOOO much complaining that the gap in power between the top an bottom is unmanageable to the point that the people on top will always be too strong to catch up to.

This event is hopefully just the start to a string of events that will allow low lvl players, new players and campers the ability to "keep up" with high stat players.

The idea that every person needs to finish every event is ridiculous. There have been DOZENS of events in the last month alone that my llp is just too weak to do. As such, the gap between him and FUN stats continues to expand. Now there is finally an event that my llp can complete and the high stat high lvl players wont be able to! I get to catch up a little!

I personally hope there are more events like this to help close the gap for newer players and older players. There is NOTHING that says that every event must be completed...so I say to those high stat players who cant finish...sit this one out the way ive been forced to sit out so many other events because it wad geared to high stat players.

My ONLY criticism would be that the experience for this event is rather high for a newer player. I could see it causing 20-30 lvls for someone new enough.

But you miss one crucial point in your answer... You get your stats in llp almost for free due to gree balance pffff things. Top players with current great stats did invest loads off money.

So can you explain how it would be fair to get smaller players close the gap for free while others paid a lot to get there and now are getting punished for making gree rich in the first place?

I hope you see where the 'issue' is. By the way... I dont have anything against. Smaller players being able to close the gap but only if it requires same effort as others had to do... Time? Money?

[Tojo]

I think you have nailed it! Buisness needs
to know the high limit of their customers
in order to maximize profits. This was Gree's
test. I do believe we will see a slim down
next time and maybe even 2 or 3 until they
find the sweet spot. Risk is how many did
they lose jumping so high so fast?

[Dogs Pizza]

Its funny when LLPs say this event helps them, sure, you got to 50 or 100 with free hits, but how many levels did you go up and for what stat boost? You are misguided in thinking this helps even out the field. I blew my mini up just doing 55 bosses in this one, went up 9 levels and gained less than 100k stats. With my main I dont do an event unless I will gain at least 60k/level.

[aphroKEN]

But you miss one crucial point in your answer... You get your stats in llp almost for free due to gree balance pffff things. Top players with current great stats did invest loads off money.

So can you explain how it would be fair to get smaller players close the gap for free while others paid a lot to get there and now are getting punished for making gree rich in the first place?

I hope you see where the 'issue' is. By the way... I dont have anything against. Smaller players being able to close the gap but only if it requires same effort as others had to do... Time? Money?

It's not really free because they'll level too much after doing 100 bosses. With the amount of stat inflation, that one-off prize doesn't make much of a difference. If I were a LLP, I wouldn't trade 40-50 level ups for that one-off stat gain. The low level advantage would be lost and the chance to win the streak rewards would be reduced.

In essence your trading one reward for another. This is just not worth the XP gain.

[ShagRanger]

the real question is this:
those of you that are abstaining from this silliness - would you readily jump back on the bandwagon if GREE released a 40% sale? If "yes"...then I personally feel that this thread is sending the wrong message. If "no", then I salute you...as I feel exactly the same way.

We need to start a "Sitting It Out" thread - with a list of moderate-to-heavy gem spenders who have now decided to go free.


Pen,
Put me on that list as "gone free". My issue is over the lack of GREE valuing their customers. For over a month, I have had an open ticket about some accidental gold purchases during the heat of a battle. Gold was immediately vaulted in guild and never used. This is the typical buying mtns of gold as opposed to gems that many here have experienced. Ticket was sent right away....within minutes. GREE failed to correct this or even attempt to satisfy a customer. I got told that exceptions cannot be made...whatsoever. Absolutely ridiculous! Exceptions have been made numerous times.....for many individuals more than once. From correcting un intended gold purchases and swapping the gold with gems to combining purchases on accounts to meet a higher tier towards the bonus program. It has happened and is still happening. Now, we have an event (box event) where GREE openly admitted was "bugged" and continued to operate it without long before fixing. We were told they cannot stop an event. Anyone remember the FUN boss event? We all started on last level finished of previous boss event. They stopped that one while they fixed it. Only because it costed them money......unlike this box event where it worked in their favor. 'Nuff said. Still playing......only no longer spending.

[Vendetta V]

It's not really free because they'll level too much after doing 100 bosses. With the amount of stat inflation, that one-off prize doesn't make much of a difference. If I were a LLP, I wouldn't trade 40-50 level ups for that one-off stat gain. The low level advantage would be lost and the chance to win the streak rewards would be reduced.

In essence your trading one reward for another. This is just not worth the XP gain.

Our guild member finished the 100 kills, he levelled up 7 levels, he is a LLP started mid-lv.27 and is now lv.34.
Meanwhile he picked up many high stat rewards along the way, we expected he would level up much more, but the few levels was acceptable. It did cost him a few hundred gems to do this.

[Bloodsucker]

But you miss one crucial point in your answer... You get your stats in llp almost for free due to gree balance pffff things. Top players with current great stats did invest loads off money.

So can you explain how it would be fair to get smaller players close the gap for free while others paid a lot to get there and now are getting punished for making gree rich in the first place?

I hope you see where the 'issue' is. By the way... I dont have anything against. Smaller players being able to close the gap but only if it requires same effort as others had to do... Time? Money?

I appreciate the comment, but I dont feel I missed a crucial point. I figure it as follows:

1. Even if GREE did one of these events between every war, those who spend money will always do better than those who dont because of how war is layed out.
2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.
3. I HAVE spent gems to get my stats..I just havent spent as much. I was pretty much free in the past, but on this event I was willing to spend a little to finish the event, happy that there is finally an event within finishing distance.
4. The only other solution in my opinion would have been to make the game soooo easy for FUN (to allow others a chance to finish) that FUN and guilds like them would quit out of boredom. I dont think GREE would do that.

[Bloodsucker]

Its funny when LLPs say this event helps them, sure, you got to 50 or 100 with free hits, but how many levels did you go up and for what stat boost? You are misguided in thinking this helps even out the field. I blew my mini up just doing 55 bosses in this one, went up 9 levels and gained less than 100k stats. With my main I dont do an event unless I will gain at least 60k/level.

I leveled 6 times. I was in the 50 boss range. After the end of the last daily i will have gained about 500k in stats.

[custos]

2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.

This assumes a steady state with no new entrants into the game. We know this is not the case. High stat people will become bored and leave and newcomers with lots of money will rapidly rise to take their place. The death of this game has been predicted for a long time now, usually by people who are leaving. Yet still it keeps on going and raking in the money.

[aphroKEN]

Our guild member finished the 100 kills, he levelled up 7 levels, he is a LLP started mid-lv.27 and is now lv.34.
Meanwhile he picked up many high stat rewards along the way, we expected he would level up much more, but the few levels was acceptable. It did cost him a few hundred gems to do this.

Only 7 times at such a low level? That's amazing. I thought it'd be much more than that because the XP gain is exponential the greater the number of bosses. Maybe the XP gain per boss was reduced.

[Bloodsucker]

Only 7 times at such a low level? That's amazing. I thought it'd be much more than that because the XP gain is exponential the greater the number of bosses. Maybe the XP gain per boss was reduced.

I seem to be on point with their leader. I started at lvl 34. First lvl was at boss 25 (i had started 30% into lvl 34). Second lvl at 56. Third lvl at 70.

[P4TR1C14N]

I appreciate the comment, but I dont feel I missed a crucial point. I figure it as follows:

1. Even if GREE did one of these events between every war, those who spend money will always do better than those who dont because of how war is layed out.
2. "Change or Die" seems appropriate. In the past, people who spent money were willing to to get thier stats and that is fine. This business model will fail in the long run though. What will happen is that there will be a gap so large after enough time that u will only have two types of players. Those who spend to get it all and those who spend nothing. Then those who spend to get it all will eventually get bored and then all u have is free players...then the game loses its support services and the game is all but dead. No...I credit GREE on realizing that the business model as it is doesnt work in the long run.
3. I HAVE spent gems to get my stats..I just havent spent as much. I was pretty much free in the past, but on this event I was willing to spend a little to finish the event, happy that there is finally an event within finishing distance.
4. The only other solution in my opinion would have been to make the game soooo easy for FUN (to allow others a chance to finish) that FUN and guilds like them would quit out of boredom. I dont think GREE would do that.

My comment was a bit narrowminded. The crucial part better is replace by an important side note :). Yes there is a trade off as the llp will gain xp and levels up, but that most top players did also by doing events in the past and they did it for way less units. Then we talk about units as a dragon and top units around 2-5k.

Anyway... There is a problem, no matter how you approach the situation where this game is in and that i prefer to blame to gree that didnt want to listen to thier community. Many did warn about balance, stat inflation, too much events, too much bugs nd let's be honest... Did any off those topics reach a mature level for a game?

[almarro1]

I decided not to go for 100 when I noticed that at low levels (10-20) bosses had more health than in the old 50 levels event. The last boss (Medusa) I made it to level 48 without gems, so over 50 levels geming would be too much for me to complete this event.
I have some guild mates pushing for the 100 that have already used close to 30k gems on it. You read it correctly: 30.000 gems.
I'm currently at level 53 and still can do it with gold hits, but my estimation is that I will get to 56-57 at most.

[AllFather Odin]

currently at level 42 with my primary acct. NOT going for level 100 as it's just too much. However, I will use some gems to get to level 45 to get the sh@dow unit. It was classy for Gree to do this and I think it deserves a small amount of gems for it.

[Hobbs]

I agree with your post 100% I would also like to add why doesn't the bonuses we work so hard and spend so much to get not count on your hits?
I am not in the same League stat wise as a lot of you guys but my attack stats show 4.1m so why when I hit epic or raid boss with a cash hit does it only do 2.6m Damage?
Have I not paid for these units with bonuses with my own money yet they don't count toward your attack when needed thus costing you more gems to progress in these events.

[Gerbear]

I guess many of us are wondering if Gree will bring this game back to somewhat of a resemblance of what it was, i.e. gold units being of value and actually using strategy to manage an army. I keep hoping and would still be willing to spend some gems on this. However, this game is starting to turn sour and almost become a job with all the tapping. I know I can quit, but really am still optimistic someone in Gree can make a change. These overinflated stats have wrecked the game in my opinion. I wish they would redo everyone's stats like they did a while ago, but actually take them out of the millions (ridiculous).

[VX_G]

I refuse to contribute to the madness.
Aside the fact that we do all we can to stay afloat, trying to go for a 100 kill at a high level just makes no sense.
Same with the box event. Why spent gems when you don't have a way to guarantee a win price. No point on risking spending your real money on an event that has so little to give.

In a positive way, I see this event as time off from KA.
Grabs beer and relaxes infront of the tv. Time to enjoy some football prior to war.

[Guido69]

Thanks for all the posts so far. Maybe Gree becomes aware of it. Keep posting.

[Spydrax]

I don't know what determines light-moderate gem use; I know I'm not heavy....
I won't spend a penny on this event. I don't like the setup; the outrageous exp needed for the boss; the continued and horrendously im-balanced tilt towards LLK.... Everyone knows what's going on here in KA now, I'm not getting into details, but this has become obsurd.
FUN is powerful and spends $. All respect to them, but GREE designers can not create events that are so far over the top, even THEY are complaining. Has to speak to a problem.

He's something I've noticed: we're all talking LLK; Pug and Ratma noted, players are firing up small kingdoms for the boss. I saw a kingdom, a player had wall notes dating over 160 days okay? Look... Level 22 and stats were 20k. Had a nice kingdom setup and likely is having fun, thinking he's doing well.... Then here comes another lvl 20, over 175k to trigger the boss.... Sound familiar to anyone?

So, tell me, I've been playing this game for a while, not as long as many, but long enough. Think about starting this game right now if you don't know the people in the upper guilds. Just try to play this game. The whales are no longer only in the deep water; they're in the shallows and for new players, this has to be so frustrating and wondering how do they get hit by someone who's 10x stronger.... Oh, did I mention, that 10x stronger kingdom is likely less than 5 days old?

I'm not worried about me; I'll survive and/or move on. I've had a lot of fun playing this game and have met a lot of great people. I don't need the game to communicate with these people, so GREE needs to know, players exist like me. I'm playing because I hope they find the balance again, but it's growing old.

Every event is a guild related event, costing us every minute of our day; won't do it the next go around. If I have to reduce to gem free, I'd likely try it, but then likely just leave.

I was a free player up until the LTQ became more frequent and ultimately commonplace. I realized then, I either had to spend to keep up and be remotely competitive or just quit because everyone was blowing up.

Perfect example of someone frozen in this time. The people I looked up to as powers were around 150-200k. WOW!!! How'd you do that!?!?!?! A friend of mine and a banned member of this guild (The Big Weezy), has been away from the game for awhile: his kingdom is frozen around the 200k mark...... He was awesome! As we're/are others. But this has gone to far.

The LTQ/GLTQ events are nearly impossible anymore??? I have the strongest weapon and have to gem my butt off!! What is going on????

That's my rant.....

Ciao

[Rastlin]

Perfect example of someone frozen in this time. The people I looked up to as powers were around 150-200k. WOW!!! How'd you do that!?!?!?! A friend of mine and a banned member of this guild (The Big Weezy), has been away from the game for awhile: his kingdom is frozen around the 200k mark...... He was awesome! As we're/are others. But this has gone to far.

You mean banned member of this Forum, not from a Guild. TBW is always and forever a part of MoC!

[echus14]

I'm not a heavy or even moderate gem spender, but here are 2 observations:

(1) I agree with Nacon and others that the 100 Bosses are definitely weighted towards LLPs (as is in part the GLTQ).

(2) This has led to a proliferation of LLPs (or what players like to call 'minis'). Now, the interesting part is that each of these minis will represent a unique account even though it may in reality be owned by the same HLP (indeed, one player may even have 3 or 4 accounts).

So, besides helping LLPs level up and improve their stats and cream off a few gems from the unwary, GREE also inflates their player base. Suddenly this game has 1.5x, 2x (?) the number of players based on unique accounts. Great for marketing, right? LOL

[DragCro]

Hi, I have decided to not go for the level 100 boss in the current event.

Before some of you draft a nasty response to this post and thread please keep reading.

I chose to not go for it because the amount of gems (money) and especially the amount of time required to finish it is absolutely absurd for a high level player. I heard from other high level players that boss 80 requires about 70-80 gold hits and about 200 gems for health refills. I am not against challenging events that cost money and time to complete but this time Gree has gone overboard for me. I currently have enough gems to finish it but the time required to complete this event is not worth it for me. I am not willing to donate every single minute of the day (and necessarily the night) to Gree trying to finish an event in a video game.

If that is the way Gree is going with KA events, I will follow what others have said before me. Free play is not an option for me, I would rather quit. If this game becomes ( and it rapidly does) a burden for me, then I will gladly delete it.

Please know that I am not telling anyone what to do, rather voicing my own decision. If anyone wants to go for this unit, and it is a great unit stats-wise, please do. Everyone has to make their own choice. I have participated and finished every single KA event for the last many months but this time Gree went way overboard in my eyes.

Nothing for me is worth spending that much time on a game.

The actual reason for starting this thread however is that I would like to invite every moderate to high gem spender to post in this thread if they also choose to NOT go for this unit. Please refrain from posting hostile and accusing posts. I would like to keep this thread on track so that Gree finds the opinion of players who spend a considerable amount of money on this game in one place. You gotta make it easy for them :)

I know that I annoyed and maybe even angered some players here on the forum before. But please hold no grudge. Sometime it is just fun to stir the pot a little bit. But this thread is meant to be serious and please keep it that way.

I am looking forward to read your responses.

Guido (FUN member since the start of the guild wars)I suport you !
To much time and to much cost,this is absurd lately with amount of ltqs and they are harder and harder to complete or at least to try to complete them..

[Spydrax]

You mean banned member of this Forum, not from a Guild. TBW is always and forever a part of MoC!

Absolutely Rastlin! 'Banned member From this forum'. I clearly have guild on the mind.

[TK275]

The idea that this is good for the game and a way to level the playing field is a not accurate. A low level player will not close the gap by completing this one event. Sure they will get a nice jump in stats, but to close the gap you'd need to complete many of these style of events. With the xp gained you'll quickly be in the same situation as the higher level players and not be able to complete the event and there will still be a gap in stats.

[Rocco69]

wow i'm embarrassed to say; however i will anyway:
How is gree to find the right balance without trying events from super hard to moderately easy? (would never do too easy they know that wont generate $)
id be seriously dissapointed if there wasn't a gree white board team looking over $ earned per event trying to find the best way to make $. because as we all should know by now; this game costs something to host & develop, and other than things like red cross & the peace corp any viable business has to make $
wow ok there we go, i said it

oh and for the record; im a gem user who made sure to get Sh@dow just cause i thought it was cool but otherwise ppffftt not going for 100 kills unless they come out with a warrior called Rocco (uh, please dont do that im not able to control myself)

[Gerbear]

wow i'm embarrassed to say; however i will anyway:
How is gree to find the right balance without trying events from super hard to moderately easy? (would never do too easy they know that wont generate $)
id be seriously dissapointed if there wasn't a gree white board team looking over $ earned per event trying to find the best way to make $. because as we all should know by now; this game costs something to host & develop, and other than things like red cross & the peace corp any viable business has to make $
wow ok there we go, i said it

oh and for the record; im a gem user whho made sure to get Sh@dow just cause i thought it was cool but otherwise ppffftt not going for 100 kills unless they come out with a warrior called Rocco (uh, please dont do that im not able to control myself)

The concept for better gameplay is not hard and will still generate revenue for Gree... Increase value of gold units. The gold units will die off in battles while the gemmed rewards will not. In addition to this the highest guilds, if they continue rewards like they have been, will still get prizes for boosts which still put teams paying money ahead of the curve. The platform is still the same so the effort put in does not need to be elaborate on Gree's part and they are not redesigning the wheel. Easy for them and better for us! Better competition equals better gameplay experience. By no means do any sane person think that these guys would be running a charity. I just think lower spenders or nonspenders would be more enticed to do so if the competition is close. People like to be rewarded for the time they put into something and it still should be about growing your kingdom. Let's get back to the basics.

[Voxker]

Wonder if it would be beneficial to put a cap for unit bonus atk/def.

[Rastlin]

Wonder if it would be beneficial to put a cap for unit bonus atk/def.
Sounds like a great plan let's make it 10%... Ready to have your stats go down after you already paid for them? No.... not fair.... don't like that? Ok, then let's make it 200% (as most people don't have 200% yet), when you get to 200% then what? Game over? Do you quit? You surely will not pay for units that don't help, correct? Everyone at level 200 all with the same stats, sounds fun... Guild Wars, is there a point?.................... Yes I think it might be beneficial to put a cap on bonuses.... :rolleyes:

[Tarsus]

Not sure where I fit in as far as whether I had been a light/moderate/heavy gem spender in the past, but for the last month I have been a free player. The last of my bonus gems will be spent in the next war, and will never be replaced. The only question remaining is when I stop playing KA altogether.

This event was not the breaking point for me; that already happened. But I support and stand with everyone who has had enough of this and will no longer feed the Gree. The entertainment value of a dollar spent here has collapsed.

[almarro1]

I'm not a heavy or even moderate gem spender, but here are 2 observations:

(1) I agree with Nacon and others that the 100 Bosses are definitely weighted towards LLPs (as is in part the GLTQ).

(2) This has led to a proliferation of LLPs (or what players like to call 'minis'). Now, the interesting part is that each of these minis will represent a unique account even though it may in reality be owned by the same HLP (indeed, one player may even have 3 or 4 accounts).

So, besides helping LLPs level up and improve their stats and cream off a few gems from the unwary, GREE also inflates their player base. Suddenly this game has 1.5x, 2x (?) the number of players based on unique accounts. Great for marketing, right? LOL

And don't forget that suddenly the app has thousands of downloads in the AppStore.
In my opinion, Gree is trying to sell old Funzio games (Crime City, Modern War and this KA) and make profit with the new ones: Dragon Realms, Knights&Dragons and War of Nations.
But to get a good price they need to increase their value by rating higher in iTunes Store.
Just another conspiracy theory of mine.

[Bloodsucker]

The idea that this is good for the game and a way to level the playing field is a not accurate. A low level player will not close the gap by completing this one event. Sure they will get a nice jump in stats, but to close the gap you'd need to complete many of these style of events. With the xp gained you'll quickly be in the same situation as the higher level players and not be able to complete the event and there will still be a gap in stats.

I gained 4 levels in this event...from 35 to 39. I also gained 500k in defense...you are right it would take many events like this...so bring em on!!!

[Frothypython]

Went to level 21 and stopped.