[Android Guild Wars] War or the Damned - October 10th

[The Wise One]

Attention Knights, Minions, and Dragons!

The War of the Damned has officially begun!

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ANDROID: War begins October 10, 2013 @ 11AM PDT
Apple/IOS: War begins October 10, 2013 @ 2PM PDT

[dragonx254]

No it hasn't.

I can't even get in :/

[The Wise One]

Aware of it, we're working on it.

[Necromancers]

Well I'm excited for it! Just a pity we have to wait a bit longer :)

[The Wise One]

Hi,

It's back up! Sorry for the trouble and inconvenience. Battle on!

[nachomasterx]

I take that to mean: we at gree don't care what happened and plan to do nothing about it! Spend a bunch of money ey to recover from our mistake!
Thanks, my confidence in this company is gone.

[Musketeer]

I take that to mean: we at gree don't care what happened and plan to do nothing about it! Spend a bunch of money ey [sic] to recover from our mistake!
Thanks, my confidence in this company is gone.

Everyone's affected equally, so there's no recovery required.

[FlipDaddy]

Assuming you guys are battling like crazy now, can you tell us iOS peeps if it's 10 or 15 gems to recharge your energy? Thanks in advance.

[Rafa]

10 gems FlipDaddy

[FlipDaddy]

Thanks Rafa :)

[Tsuruki]

There is already a glitch going?
War is ruined...

[DK Memorial]

There is already a glitch going?
War is ruined...

No glitch my friend...just pure DK power :cool:

[Capitanmike]

Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

[Unresolved]

Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

Hardly impossible. I can't speak for droid users, but on iOS, the top guilds can get 400-600k in a war without the win bonus. Each player can use around 300 gems per war on refills.

[Capitanmike]

probably with free gems that's ok, but gems needs dollars and spending 50 dollars every war (1 hour) is nearly impossible, if you aren't a millionaire.

[Lou 1xxx]

why can't they spend more gems...
there is always sale on gems before or after wars, people stockpile gems...
people buy gems once or twice a week...
some people buy more gems... and some people spend 300 gem refills per declaration... (luckily i am not one of those, else wallet has more holes)

i hope gree fixes who can actually declare war. we have been sabotage by Commander declaring then going offline. this is ruining several chances of winning properly.

[Itsmelen]

By your own math the score isn't impossible. You are also not factoring in the 50% bonus for each of those 10 wins.

It's more like 5000 per match + a 50% bonus. And 5000 per match would require 40-50 gems. If you think that's an impossible figure then you obviously are not in a competitive guild.

Acknowledging the fact that it's highly unlikely that all 40 players are active at once, what's more likely is that 10-12 players dropped 500 gems each in the first match or two. Which is hardly surprising in my opinion.

So perhaps come with something a little more concrete before accusing people of cheating.


Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

[DK Shady]

Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

I can say that after the first 2 matches, I did about 45k points (around 170 fights) and I was ranked 12th or so in the guild. Don't worry, no cheats going on here, just having 30 people on destroying guilds does the trick.

Besides, we've been having a contest to see who could be the top scorer in a match, 39k is the leader so far.

[Usul]

Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

Rubbish. DK been planning for this one.

[Capitanmike]

Probably in their countries there are a lot of free gems offers because in 1 month of farming i reached my record of 90 gems (obviously i dont buy gems).
Here in italy i watched 5 or 6 video offers in a month.
GG

[Marco_]

Probably in their countries there are a lot of free gems offers because in 1 month of farming i reached my record of 90 gems (obviously i dont buy gems).
Here in italy i watched 5 or 6 video offers in a month.
GG
No. Mostly people who don't mind spending $100+ on a guild war.

[Sol Invictus]

Can someone point me to an explanation, or explain, how the point system works?
There doesn't seem to much rhyme or reason to it.

[Lou 1xxx]

error code 1 for 30mins...
manage to get 1 attack in, then more error 1 again...
manage another attack, error 1...
wasted 45mins for error 1, and only got 2 attack in...

[Daenerys]

Can someone point me to an explanation, or explain, how the point system works?
There doesn't seem to much rhyme or reason to it.

The scoring puzzles me too. Last battle, I won against the same player 3 times using the same armors, and got 3 different scores. I did seem to get more pts when I had a miss, but still won.

[LnL Magneto]

The scoring puzzles me too. Last battle, I won against the same player 3 times using the same armors, and got 3 different scores. I did seem to get more pts when I had a miss, but still won.

I have noticed a few times if you overkill someone with special attack I received more points.
Possibly doing more total damage verses an opponent gives more points.

[Bryanv2]

Yea the point system is mad weird.

I sometimes got more points for beating HC's as a Champion than I did beating other Champions or Sentinels

[Unresolved]

Yea the point system is mad weird.

I sometimes got more points for beating HC's as a Champion than I did beating other Champions or Sentinels

Champions/Sentinels give the same point bonus as an HC.

[Bryanv2]

Champions/Sentinels give the same point bonus as an HC.

Hm, that explains it a bit. That makes no sense though lol. Champions and Sentinels are almost always stronger even without the % bonus they get from being that rank.

Why even bother making it harder on yourself then

[Daenerys]

My guildmate killed a GM, for 163 pts.

WTF?!

Edited to add: I just killed a HC for 356 pts. So yeah, all this is making a lot of sense, lol.

[Unresolved]

Hm, that explains it a bit. That makes no sense though lol. Champions and Sentinels are almost always stronger even without the % bonus they get from being that rank.

Why even bother making it harder on yourself then

Easier to locate in the list. The 2% shouldn't make a difference in your fight. If it does, you should probably be looking for a different opponent anyways.

[Marco_]

Champions/Sentinels give the same point bonus as an HC.
rank bonus points seem to be an iOS-only thing...
Android points seem more something like random(140-350) as function
;-(

[firefly333]

Can someone explain how the top ranked guild can have actually (android) an average score of 3M ???

Assuming that they are 40 active players and that they have won 10 battles, they have an average score of 7500 points per user per match.
This is not possible unless they're ALL spending 70-80 gems EACH match.
I think there's a cheating under that thing, and i'm annoying of that.

Hope someone can give me a reason for that impossible score.

Thanks

Not even close to impossible or means they are cheating. I know we have people who can rack up huge amounts in one war in one hour.

I'd say with us it is more likely that we got 15 to 20 people on in one war at most but people are averaging closer to 10K and some much higher, like 20K in one hour war.

Last war there was constant jockeying of positions so we had to do what we had to do. This time it feels like we are coasting. Majesty let us move into #3, albeit probably temporarily, and there we have sat. We are surprised we have been there for this long. Probably the last 24 hours everyone starts to make their move.

[Marco_]

Majesty let us move into #3,
I wish I had a Sky Majesty... ;)
(Maybe Rainbow Raiment next, Gree, to make people slip up even more? ;) )

[Bryanv2]

Easier to locate in the list. The 2% shouldn't make a difference in your fight. If it does, you should probably be looking for a different opponent anyways.

Don't champions/Sent have a 7.5% bonus? And them usually having better armor in general than HC/Commanders.

But good point about the locating. Wish the majority of our guild wasn't this inactive. Funny seeing our few 10K points versus top 3 having millions xD

[Unresolved]

Don't champions/Sent have a 7.5% bonus? And them usually having better armor in general than HC/Commanders.

But good point about the locating. Wish the majority of our guild wasn't this inactive. Funny seeing our few 10K points versus top 3 having millions xD

If that 2% difference between fighting an HC and a GC/GS makes or breaks your fight, then it's not really a farmable opponent. It'd be better to just fight a commander that you can beat 100% of the time than a GC that you can beat 75% of the time.

[firefly333]

I wish I had a Sky Majesty... ;)
(Maybe Rainbow Raiment next, Gree, to make people slip up even more? ;) )

LOL Majestics. Do you think they will mind being renamed? Spelling never my strong suit.

[Rafa]

I think Unresolved means the bonus points that exists on iOS only. On Android there is no such thing. Unless GREE does it without letting us know...

[Unresolved]

You mean you guys don't get a rank bonus? o-o

[-Solo-]

No, and ranks don't have a range of points they stay in. GMs can give less points than Commanders, etc.

There's a reason why the points are so skewed from Android to iOS.

[Unresolved]

Ranks don't have a range of points on iOS. They just determine the bonus multiplier. There's a base amount of points you can get(I think the max is 32x). Then the rank bonus is 50% for GM, 20%for GS/GC/HC, and 0% for commanders. Then the 10 points/knight killed is added on top.

[-Solo-]

How much does the base points vary from person/rank and does everyone in your guild get the same base points for the same person?

[Unresolved]

How much does the base points vary from person/rank and does everyone in your guild get the same base points for the same person?

I have not seen a difference in base points between GM and GC/HC. I haven't taken any data samples since I don't think it's necessary, so everything is anecdotal.

[-Solo-]

For Android, the main killer is the base points. One fight you can get 300, another you may get 100~. It's horrendously unstable and ruins war somewhat. It isn't simply 'kill GM or kill ranked officers,' for the most points. It's basically a 'find the best person you can farm with the least point decay/randomness, except it will be different for everyone.'

Busteroaf can probably confirm this. A person wearing Bigger 4s can give you more points than someone with 3 epics. There should be no reason for that either...

[~Nate~]

I can take a video about this.
I can beat a Lvl 100 no problem at Lvl. 90, and being in a top 10 guild mostly gave Lvl 100s
I take out a sentinel with a power attack and get ~280 points when I can kill a high commander for 200-250~ points
And then I can fight a commander for 100-300~ points
Android is screwed up.

[firefly333]

For Android, the main killer is the base points. One fight you can get 300, another you may get 100~. It's horrendously unstable and ruins war somewhat. .

I agree points need to be less random. It makes no sense for me to kill a HC in a close fight and get 169 measly pts. We are at war right now and I walked out after taking my hits. Points seem to be based so much on that I'm high level in the game when my armors are nothing to write home about, and I'm getting less than 200 pts so often.

It also makes no sense you can get 303 one time and 157 the next. There needs to be a little less randomness.

I agree with you 100%

[Lou 1xxx]

hmm look at that, some no brain guildie hiding behind anonymity clicked on declare war button... and drew majestic's ire.. crappy way to end a day.

what ruins the day more is more error code 1 and that it says i don't have internet connection...

it really should be limited who could push the button...

[CosmicRays]

You guys need to fix several issues.

1. You should allow guilds to specify who can declare war. My guild was sabotaged by several trolls this most recent war and we couldn't kick them because you setup the rules that way.

Either allow us to kick people during war or give us the option to limit who declares war, please.

2. I know you want to make money from this game, but Gem spending makes this game extremely frustrating for those of us who don't spam gems during Guild Wars. Perhaps you can provide two branches... one for guilds who want to spend gems and another for those who do not.

It would be much more exciting and fun to plan strategy based on skill and not fall to guilds who spam gems at the end. That's just deflating and makes one want to stop playing.

Please help to strike a nice balance between those who want to spend a lot of real world money and those who do it sparingly.

[iH8t2lose2]

I agree points need to be less random. It makes no sense for me to kill a HC in a close fight and get 169 measly pts. We are at war right now and I walked out after taking my hits. Points seem to be based so much on that I'm high level in the game when my armors are nothing to write home about, and I'm getting less than 200 pts so often.

It also makes no sense you can get 303 one time and 157 the next. There needs to be a little less randomness.

I agree with you 100%
Got an all time low, 63+30 :-(

Edit: Against a GM.

[firefly333]

For Android, the main killer is the base points. One fight you can get 300, another you may get 100~. It's horrendously unstable and ruins war somewhat.

Solo I got a good one for you. This morning about 5 am, blurry eyed someone said target last hc, last hc same name, close but I won for 169 pts.

Then I realize no the target is the last hc, the one who didn't change name says wearing AA, so I clicked on him. Its one guy, wearing atlean (sp) armor, 303 pts. One guy and I'm averaging 275 pts.

If that doesn't prove that the pts are out of whack, nothing does,

Our guild also has a theory that Gree upped the miss ratio so people lost more and spent more gems. My loss ratio was double last war, with better armors.

[firefly333]

Got an all time low, 63+30 :-(

Edit: Against a GM.

Oh man, I hate that. I had some like 117! But nothing below 100

I was just posting how this morning I got 259 to 303 against HC that I fought ONE guy I beat with one hit. I was in bed and didn't even post to team how good he was paying off, but crazy morning.

I really think points need to be revamped big time

[Instagram]

funny how the top guild in IOS managed 25m points while the top guild in Andriod only managed 10m points. Definitely due to the scoring issues on Andriod.