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mxz
10-09-2013, 11:41 AM
Now that its nerfed...

Lets hear people B&M! Bring on the retirement threads!

Edit: I'd get banned for posting the announcement email (dumb rule, I know). Instead, I'll post this link, which says the same thing...so could probably get me B&, too: http://greegam.es/CCBonusProgram

BigMoney
10-09-2013, 11:45 AM
New gold bonus tiers:

$500 = 2,500
$1,000 = 5,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$2,000 = 20,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$3,000 = 45,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$5,000 = 125,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$10,000 = 250,000 + event level equivalent exclusive item



Technically they're disinflating the value of gold, which is a good thing, but no one likes receiving less for the same amount of money.

Dr Girlfriend
10-09-2013, 11:45 AM
I'm guessing that somehow Gree makes more money when people retire? Only way this makes sense.

mxz
10-09-2013, 11:45 AM
I'm guessing that somehow Gree makes more money when people retire? Only way this makes sense.Maybe they get a cut from the eBay commissions?

Rodney26
10-09-2013, 11:47 AM
Absolute joke gree this new gold bonus is ridiclous...keep shooting yourself In the foot

Assault and Flattery
10-09-2013, 11:48 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

Big-R
10-09-2013, 11:48 AM
Not really. People still will buy. So just means profits go up.

justsomedood5
10-09-2013, 11:48 AM
New gold bonus tiers:

$500 = 2,500
$1,000 = 5,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$2,000 = 20,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$3,000 = 45,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$5,000 = 125,000 + crate level equivalent exclusive item
$10,000 = 250,000 + event level equivalent exclusive item


Technically they're disinflating the value of gold, which is a good thing, but no one likes receiving less for the same amount of money.

Actually what they're doing is nerfing the $1,000 and $2,000 gold tiers (they also added a $3,000 tier, but the bonus is worse than the old $2,000 tier). Does not seem like a good way to win over customers...

mxz
10-09-2013, 11:49 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.Words of wisdom, right here. "Less is more"

See guys, they're doing you a favor by taking things away.

Big-R
10-09-2013, 11:50 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

Best tough sh*t f you from a mod so far.

Hodgy83
10-09-2013, 11:51 AM
with stat inflation and loot items getting stronger and stronger i wonder how "good" the crate level equivelant exclusive item will be? any mods on it A&F?

Dipstik
10-09-2013, 11:51 AM
I'm guessing that somehow Gree makes more money when people retire? Only way this makes sense.

You're not far off. A game like this will stagnate because new players will never be able to overcome a 2+ year head start. Would you jump in and start spending gold when you see an insurmountable gap between you and all the strong players? It just encourages free play or no new players at all. To get past this, they have to one of a few things:

1) Inflate stats. Make it easier for new players to catch up to old players.
2) Start over periodically. Declare a "winner" and let everyone start again on even footing.
3) Encourage old players to quit or discourage people from playing really long term.

Butt Futter
10-09-2013, 11:52 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

What do you mean it was this or take it away? I don't care because the game has been uninstalled from my phone for awhile now, but I'm calling BS on this one.

justsomedood5
10-09-2013, 11:52 AM
Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff.

Isn't this like saying airlines are doing flyers a favor (out of the goodness of their heart, mind you) by handing out frequent flier miles? Yes, it's a courtesy program that they don't have to offer - but if they stopped the program alltogether they'd lose a huge portion of their largest, most valuable (read: highest spending) customers.

Dr Girlfriend
10-09-2013, 11:53 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

The only reason I bought gold was because of the bonus program. This is the second time it's been downgraded since I first signed up, and this one is a serious slashing.

But seriously, the idea that you'd somehow have to scrap the system or change it is a joke. As is the idea that you're "giving away free stuff," when it's pixilated gold bars we're talking about here. It's costs you nothing to give them away. Changing the system for the worse -again- is going to cost you customers, though.

sl.aus
10-09-2013, 11:54 AM
It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely


Why? Someone have a gun to your head?

GravyTrain
10-09-2013, 11:54 AM
OUCH, So instead of letting people use gold to try and win a exclusive item, they thought we would like less than 1/2 of normal gold and pick one for us. I suppose we are the sheep and have to follow.

SNEAKERJUNKY
10-09-2013, 11:56 AM
You guys are quickly killing your game.

I consistently hit the tier 2 bonus..... Will only buy enough gold for war ip from now on and eventually will free play.... GREEdy.

mxz
10-09-2013, 11:57 AM
You're not far off. A game like this will stagnate because new players will never be able to overcome a 2+ year head start. Would you jump in and start spending gold when you see an insurmountable gap between you and all the strong players? It just encourages free play or no new players at all. To get past this, they have to one of a few things:

1) Inflate stats. Make it easier for new players to catch up to old players.
2) Start over periodically. Declare a "winner" and let everyone start again on even footing.
3) Encourage old players to quit or discourage people from playing really long term.This. As we've seen before (see: T10 teams getting screwed due to Gree's moving goalposts 2 wars ago) - new/free players have much more say than mid/big spenders.

To make sure the homeless (their "base") aren't upset, Gree launched an attack on the 1% (the no-bankers on Empire City Street). Next Gree will stage a game shutdown and blame it on the players who are asking for a more efficent and better product. I've seen it a million times (sources: foxnews.com, NBC.com, wsj.com, CBS.com). #thanksobama

pervbear
10-09-2013, 11:58 AM
I am all for removing it.

Peppers
10-09-2013, 12:00 PM
I was mocked recently for saying that the old-timers were retiring left and right. This is just another kick in the pants to anyone who was on the fence.

BigMoney
10-09-2013, 12:03 PM
Actually what they're doing is nerfing the $1,000 and $2,000 gold tiers (they also added a $3,000 tier, but the bonus is worse than the old $2,000 tier). Does not seem like a good way to win over customers...

I'm well aware of what the gold bonus program was before. I'm saying they are disinflating (read: slowing the rate of inflation) the value of gold by now making gold more "valuable" now-- since gold now costs more for anyone below the $5k tier (which is the vast majority of players, even gold spenders).

I'm not saying it's a good thing, since no one likes receiving less for spending the same amount that they are used to paying. I'd probably be incredibly frustrated too if I was still participating in the bonus program.

My secret hope is that they consulted an economist or someone on how best to manage the current stat inflation. Disinflation is always painful-- cf. Volcker disinflation.

Though I'm not an economist, so who knows how applicable that is. But to people upset by the changes, just view it as though it is now more expensive for new players (like DCN Gladiator, who does three new events and suddenly thinks he's a big shot, cough) to catch you in stats.


Admittedly, if I was still spending gold, I'd probably have a different tone-- GREE has added a lot more events, making it hard for even players on the $2k tier to keep up with all of them (without burning their entire bonus in a month), which thus seems to favor the super spenders already at the $5k or $10k tiers, thus making it easier for them to dominate. Seems to me like GREE wants to spread the players much more by current spending, e.g. a player on the $5k tier should be at least double in stats for someone on a $2k tier, etc.

Dirtidawgidvas
10-09-2013, 12:04 PM
Best tough sh*t f you from a mod so far.lmfao best response ever. Much respect BM

STLGORILLA314
10-09-2013, 12:04 PM
In a strange way I'm thankful to Gree for this change. It took something this disrespectful for me to finally be able to walk away from this game. Still sucks though.

Dr Girlfriend
10-09-2013, 12:05 PM
You're not far off. A game like this will stagnate because new players will never be able to overcome a 2+ year head start. Would you jump in and start spending gold when you see an insurmountable gap between you and all the strong players? It just encourages free play or no new players at all. To get past this, they have to one of a few things:

1) Inflate stats. Make it easier for new players to catch up to old players.
2) Start over periodically. Declare a "winner" and let everyone start again on even footing.
3) Encourage old players to quit or discourage people from playing really long term.

So I guess I should feel like the old union guys getting out with a full pension while the new guys try to retire on a 3% 401k match? Lol.

Timmaaay
10-09-2013, 12:06 PM
You're finally retiring? :cool: haha. kidding bro. was fun playing by your side.


In a strange way I'm thankful to Gree for this change. It took something this disrespectful for me to finally be able to walk away from this game. Still sucks though.

Dirtidawgidvas
10-09-2013, 12:07 PM
I was shooting hard to make the 1000 tier but now I'll pass. Made 500, did they change that?

Rodney26
10-09-2013, 12:10 PM
Yes well I guess y'all don't see it but have y'all ever thought that bonus gold is the only way people can continue playing? Therefore your gonna lose tons of money from people quitting...when my 50k is gone I quit.::have fun screwing customers gree...looks like I spent 2k at a good time..😂😂😂more like wasted 10k on a stupid game..good luck👍

mxz
10-09-2013, 12:11 PM
Though I'm not an economist, so who knows how applicable that is. But to people upset by the changes, just view it as though it is now more expensive for new players (like DCN Gladiator, who does three new events and suddenly thinks he's a big shot, cough) to catch you in stats.The difference, here, is they are deflating the currency (gold) while continuing to inflate the goods/services (stats). So, not only is there less currency in circulation, there's less incentive to use buying power.

In effect, this change is great for free players, very good for FC, ok for SAS, and awful for everyone in between.

My guess is Gree will realize less revenue as FC and SAS will have increasingly less competition.

Dirtidawgidvas
10-09-2013, 12:11 PM
And the new program is retroactive for October??? So 9 days of purchases that people made assuming they were playing under the old bonus program are going to get the shaft?

Hello Itunes refund request.my very next question cause I believe it spent 7 and of course want 2 back.

The_
10-09-2013, 12:12 PM
Ironic how the same people complain about stat inflation and now this. By reducing gold rewards, people will have less gold to spend thus decreases the amt of folks attaining these "stat-inflated" items. Total hypocrisy. Seems like logic doesn't exist in their world, only when it benefits them.

mxz
10-09-2013, 12:13 PM
my very next question cause I believe it spent 7 and of course want 2 back.They'll give you all 7 back (and Gree won't be able to take your gold)

It can be scammed, but after a while Gree will catch on.

STLGORILLA314
10-09-2013, 12:15 PM
You're finally retiring? :cool: haha. kidding bro. was fun playing by your side.
Yeah man. It'll be tough. Had fun battling with you guys too.

KING Mr932
10-09-2013, 12:20 PM
The only game that this change has happened to is only cc. Thanks but no more gold purchases from me GFY.

pervbear
10-09-2013, 12:21 PM
Ironic how the same people complain about stat inflation and now this. By reducing gold rewards, people will have less gold to spend thus decreases the amt of folks attaining these "stat-inflated" items. Total hypocrisy. Seems like logic doesn't exist in their world, only when it benefits them.


But I want free handouts, Gree give us free gold.

Dirtidawgidvas
10-09-2013, 12:21 PM
Ironic how the same people complain about stat inflation and now this. By reducing gold rewards, people will have less gold to spend thus decreases the amt of folks attaining these "stat-inflated" items. Total hypocrisy. Seems like logic doesn't exist in their world, only when it benefits them.the_ you're totally missing what stat inflation everyone is talking about. Get your facts straight before trying to prove a point

Smoothie
10-09-2013, 12:22 PM
Gree.. Poor business model.. Why were your only choices 'remove or cut by 2/3'?? Why has no other gree game been affected? Please explain in more detail.

The_
10-09-2013, 12:26 PM
the_ you're totally missing what stat inflation everyone is talking about. Get your facts straight before trying to prove a point
This isn't rocket science. More gold you have -> more gold to spend on events to complete boss events, Ltqs, etc -> get these so called "inflated" items. I don't see how I'm missing the point at all. I simplified it for you by making you a flow chart since you need help figuring out a simple concept.

mxz
10-09-2013, 12:29 PM
This isn't rocket science. More gold you have -> more gold to spend on events to complete boss events, Ltqs, etc -> get these so called "inflated" items. I don't see how I'm missing the point at all. I simplified it for you by making you a flow chart since you need help figuring out a simple concept.He's actually right. The problem isn't the amount of gold, its the inflated stats of the items. A year ago a 200/200 item was monster. Nowadays its tough to justify spending gold on an item less than 2,000/2,000.

Stat inflation is different than gold inflation (which hasn't been a problem).


Think of of it this way: if the US started provided basic health care for free to poor people - the mooches are happy but the people who are paying for their own plus the mooches are mad about the inflation. If the bums start getting better and better coverage (equivalent to the inflation of stats) - the bums love it but the productive people start getting pissed they can't purchase as much with their money (they're losing purchasing power). The problem, in the taxpayers' eyes, isn't the currency they are using (US dollars) - its that they're getting less but paying increasingly more.

Dirtidawgidvas
10-09-2013, 12:32 PM
This isn't rocket science. More gold you have -> more gold to spend on events to complete boss events, Ltqs, etc -> get these so called "inflated" items. I don't see how I'm missing the point at all. I simplified it for you by making you a flow chart since you need help figuring out a simple concept.i understand but not your so call logic by calling many hypocrites due to complaining about stat inflation and now gold program

sabatoa
10-09-2013, 12:33 PM
I'm wiping sad tears from my eyes for the millionaires.

It's so unfair.

http://www.sportsinferno.com/images/smilies/MHZboohoo.gif

Peppers
10-09-2013, 12:34 PM
With 2 wars in one month, I'm sure a lot of people in top teams purchased $500 gold for the first war, with the plan to purchase another $500 for the second war, in order to qualify for the 1k tier 15,000 gold bonus.

Since this month's program already started, I don't see how Gree can make it retroactive. Bait-and-switch much?

CJ54
10-09-2013, 12:35 PM
Hey all, I completely understand people being frustrated by the change. This change was not made lightly. It is okay for people to discuss that here. I do have to ask that people stick by the normal forum rules, as this is going to be heavily moderated.

Dipstik
10-09-2013, 12:36 PM
Heavy moderation? You mean no more posting porn in the forum? frownz :(

mxz
10-09-2013, 12:38 PM
Heavy moderation? You mean no more posting porn in the forum? frownz :(I think he means they're bringing in the obese moderators.

kuksluk
10-09-2013, 12:39 PM
How can you change something like this retroactively??
If you announced the changes in advance I would have a bit more understanding, but doing it like this is a slap in the face! I suspect the consequences will be dire...

Thank you and good bye from me!

Rodney26
10-09-2013, 12:40 PM
Your not gonna have anything to moderate in about a month..I don't think y'all realize how many people's gonna quit..I've spent 10k since battles (at least) and others spend more...people are not just gonna spend more to make up for the lack of care..hopefully they quit like I will when my 50k is gone😂😂

Big Baby Jesus
10-09-2013, 12:40 PM
Heavy moderation? You mean no more posting porn in the forum? frownz :(

no clopper stuff from your "private stable"

Peppers
10-09-2013, 12:41 PM
Your not gonna have anything to moderate in about a month..I don't think y'all realize how many people's gonna quit..I've spent 10k since battles (at least) and others spend more...people are not just gonna spend more to make up for the lack of care..hopefully they quit like I will when my 50k is gone����

Hey Rodney, I'm going to suck up to you now :) LOL
Want to join the poptarts and play free? We have defense bonuses! Its very liberating


Edit: Wow! There's magic going on in this thread! Poof! There one second, gone the next! I believe! This is a magical world!

Dr Girlfriend
10-09-2013, 12:50 PM
Ooh, post removed. Shocking.

JediPimp
10-09-2013, 12:50 PM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

I love it, is like a crack dealer enticing the crack addicts.

I think you're going all out to ruin the game, how about a gold amnesty for some battles, make things interesting rather than scamming Fight Club to buy more crack... I mean gold :-P

greenwood
10-09-2013, 12:55 PM
So I guess I should feel like the old union guys getting out with a full pension while the new guys try to retire on a 3% 401k match? Lol.

Good stuff!

Peppers
10-09-2013, 12:56 PM
I bet the same person who decided to change the prize tiers with 2 minutes remaining is also the same person who decided to make the bonus program changes apply retroactively to already-made purchases.

A&F, you might want to talk to your regulatory compliance people before listening to these ideas going forward.

Its not the change in the programs that is the issue for me. Its making changes DURING events and DURING existing bonus months that is screwing people into spending money they otherwise wouldn't have spent.

newtonpa
10-09-2013, 12:56 PM
I don't disagree with the changes overall I suppose however doing it after many players have bought gold for the month and making it retroactive I think is a bad move. Could have easily made it effective for November and ppl would know what they were buying rather then feeling ripped off.

BigMoney
10-09-2013, 12:56 PM
The difference, here, is they are deflating the currency (gold) while continuing to inflate the goods/services (stats). So, not only is there less currency in circulation, there's less incentive to use buying power.

In effect, this change is great for free players, very good for FC, ok for SAS, and awful for everyone in between.

My guess is Gree will realize less revenue as FC and SAS will have increasingly less competition.


Yes, I agree with you, I never said I thought it was a good idea. Disinflating or deflating the value of gold is good for players who already have a lot of gold. Stat inflation (or more seriously, modifier inflation) is a separate but related issue, but I feel like I would reserve judgment in that regard until we see the prizes for the next few events. I agree with for instance, increasing the modifiers on the war prizes, but only because of the massive modifiers GREE was handing out for relatively cheaply recently (e.g. Victor Klaus boss, map boss LTQ). The 30% car attack/defense modifier was also a terrible idea, for what it's worth. Most of the players who are going to get that ridiculously huge modifier (equivalent to multiple wars' worth of prizes) will do so by either abusing the matching system, or beating other players also hoping to abuse the matching system, or by already being the game's top spenders anyway-- e.g. FC and SAS.

If they continue to hand out massive modifiers in every other event, I will agree that this is a terrible idea. I also agree with you in that they are discouraging competition between FC/SAS and the rest of the CC population, which is probably not the best idea for GREE either. I don't think that GREE is hoping reliable spenders (with large stats) quit so that new spenders can take their place. I could never make such a judgment without seeing GREE's actual spending data, but I would fathom a guess that players who haven't spent much in a mobile phone game before aren't going to be the ones to start spending $5k-$10k per month to catch FC/SAS.

I'm sort of ranting without much cohesion or direction here, but to put it simply, GREE already has quite a mess with stats and modifier inflation, and there is literally no good solution to fixing it. As I said, I'd also be very upset at the changes if I was still in the gold bonus program, but I am pretty sure all the alternatives GREE has to fix stat inflation will hurt some piece of GREE's demographic. I am just hoping that the aforementioned changes are indeed being made for the long-term viability of the game, since most of GREE's other recent moves have seemed like "short-selling" to me.

SilentAssassin
10-09-2013, 12:59 PM
Peppers, their plan was to lock people in. They could have sent that mass message any time they wanted. They chose their place and time.

This makes it easy for me to make my final decision with this game.

Peppers
10-09-2013, 01:02 PM
Peppers, their plan was to lock people in. They could have sent that mass message any time they wanted. They chose their place and time.

This makes it easy for me to make my final decision with this game.

Mine was made during the last war, with 2 minutes remaining. Extending the tiers pissed me off till no end.

I'm playing free in my crappy little syndicate with the hubby and one friend until stat inflation passes us by and our stats suck. With the way Gree is going, that should take about a month.

I'll work on decorating my hood and growing my economy and I'll pretend I'm playing simcity

mxz
10-09-2013, 01:09 PM
Disinflating or deflating the value of gold is good for players who already have a lot of gold. Absolutely. Unfortunately that only applies to September. They probably could have had a healthy quarter and gotten nice Holiday bonuses by announcing this now but delaying implementation until Nov/Dec. They should have hired me as a consultant when they had the chance!

SNEAKERJUNKY
10-09-2013, 01:10 PM
PS4 is coming soon.....

panty sniffer
10-09-2013, 01:23 PM
I jus like to tap on me phone. makes Ug happy! Derrrr!

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Simonlawliet
10-09-2013, 01:26 PM
when does the program started, i mean which month does they count. september?october? and what does it mean "a calendar month"? As in "30 days" ?? or month in general?? (like Jan. April....)

Big-R
10-09-2013, 01:28 PM
Heavy moderation you say?
So ban as many people as possible?
Anyone want bets on who gets the first ban?
Maybe murda for mentioning the R word?

To be completely honest this change will not change much. The heavy spenders will not stop, FC, SAS, top 10 high scoring players. Free players and low gold spenders, no difference. Only people are this who like to compete but also attempt to be more frugal. Make 1 big purchase every 6 months and make it last. Gree don't care about them. Would rather have people continuously spending than 1 sensible spender like that. Those who make there gold last are the most disposable players.

Cluff
10-09-2013, 01:54 PM
Hey if gree wants to make a change thats their choice.. my problem with it is they give absolutely no notice. . I have guys in my syn that already purchased $2k to make the 50k bonus this month only to find out the tiers changed... give some damn notice gree. Dont change the program once the month has already started

CC Pablo
10-09-2013, 01:56 PM
I think he means they're bringing in the obese moderators.

Your posts are usually really stupid, but this one was a winner! Im still laughing at your comment, very funny.

Mistress Nikita
10-09-2013, 02:24 PM
Heavy moderation you say?
So ban as many people as possible?
Anyone want bets on who gets the first ban?
Maybe murda for mentioning the R word?

To be completely honest this change will not change much. The heavy spenders will not stop, FC, SAS, top 10 high scoring players. Free players and low gold spenders, no difference. Only people are this who like to compete but also attempt to be more frugal. Make 1 big purchase every 6 months and make it last. Gree don't care about them. Would rather have people continuously spending than 1 sensible spender like that. Those who make there gold last are the most disposable players.

What is the body count so far?

offline04
10-09-2013, 02:29 PM
when does the program started, i mean which month does they count. september?october? and what does it mean "a calendar month"? As in "30 days" ?? or month in general?? (like Jan. April....)

that --> http://sgiz.mobi/s3/GREE-International-Inc-Crime-City-Bonus-Program <-- can answer all your questions.

iteachem
10-09-2013, 02:36 PM
I think he means they're bringing in the obese moderators.

Coffee on my ipad from that one lol

Big-R
10-09-2013, 02:41 PM
What is the body count so far?

1? Dcn gladiator. Not sure if any others are gone as well.

Euchred
10-09-2013, 02:42 PM
The elite (huge spenders) are unaffected by the change. This just hurts the little/medium spender guys, another way for Gree to to get us to pony up and spend the big bucks. Of course we get mad for a while and then step back into line like the sheep they make us out to be.

offline04
10-09-2013, 02:43 PM
1? Dcn gladiator. Not sure if any others are gone as well.

I see one more, starts with a P...., ends with ....eppers.

offline04
10-09-2013, 02:47 PM
I am not soooo sure the little/medium spenders will make it back in line. To receive almost the same bonus, you gotta spend $1000 bucks more! I don't know...

Big-R
10-09-2013, 02:52 PM
Since when did nobodies count?


Meh nobodies have feelings to you know.

offline04
10-09-2013, 02:55 PM
Since when did nobodies count?

He at least play's ....



But that's besides the reason of that thread.

CJ54
10-09-2013, 02:59 PM
Please follow the posting guidelines. That includes not discussing moderation actions.


Please DO NOT:


Discuss locked threads or moderation actions.

sabatoa
10-09-2013, 03:18 PM
Please follow the posting guidelines. That includes not discussing moderation actions.

LMAO

It's like the Libyan response to the uprising up in here. Ban hammer is'a swingin.

/couldn't care less about gold program or the poor rich guys it affects
//mods getting heavy handed is pretty funny though
///slashies!

The Lurker
10-09-2013, 03:20 PM
Please follow the posting guidelines. That includes not discussing moderation actions.

Shouldn't you be banning yourself now CJ54? The thread you are referencing with posting guidelines is locked, wait until Sirius sees this. :rolleyes:

ILikeTheAbuse
10-09-2013, 03:26 PM
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Timmaaay
10-09-2013, 03:31 PM
Best. Episode. Ever!


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KemoKidd
10-09-2013, 03:46 PM
All this complainig and whats gonna change? Not much. The real spenders will still spend. The top 100 teams will forget about this and start buying gold again once the 20% gold sale kicks in before the war. REMEMBER, THIS IS THE 2ND TIME IT CHANGED! People complained after the first reduction and then continued to buy. People will soon forget about this change and continue to buy gold and this new program will be the norm.

I am in no way sticking up for Greed. I am simply stating that people are complaining now but will be buying gold again later.

Rexantexan
10-09-2013, 03:52 PM
Will TapJoy be affected by the new brackets ? I don't wanna download 150 apps a month and make it to level 3 for any less than 150 bars... I really like changing my name 3x a month as easy as you change your minds.....

BigMoney
10-09-2013, 04:26 PM
First we get our gold bonus immediately after the war ended. War coincided exactly at the time when we'd normally get our bonus. This was a deliberate act to delay pushing the bonus. Ok. I can live with that. But now this? After I already started spending towards my usual tier?

You probably haven't been a gold spender very long if you thought you'd get your gold bonus before or during war. LOL.

Gunflame
10-09-2013, 04:30 PM
Yet another step in the wrong direction for Gree, and Crime City. From what I've read I can say this change has been received rather negatively (not surprised). The apathy expressed by mods on this topic feels cold and uncaring. Either way, I will enjoy my free game as I always have. :cool: I wonder how you will top this Gree? Something tells me I won't have to wait long to figure that out.

chemy
10-09-2013, 05:34 PM
I personally have hit the 15,000 gold bonus every month and when I think about spending that kind of money on a game, it's absolutely stupid. I know a lot of people spend more but I'm not considered a small spender and I compete all the events and finish top 20 every war. I have 22,000 gold in the bank. Once it's gone, I may not buy anymore. If a physical business with a store front treated its customers like this, they would be gone in a matter of months. I know you say you have the right to make changes at anytime gree, but to change it in the middle of a month is absolutely rediculous. All I ever see see from you gree is either high inflation or sever scaling back. Why can't we just ride along and play without screwing something up every month... After thousands and thousands spent, you finally pushed me to an end of a game I truly loved. I will still play of course, but it will be in free mode. this might only be 1100$ a month for your company but its a lot of dam money on a mobile phone game....

As someone said, new ps4 and Xbox one soon :)

reesebutton
10-09-2013, 06:10 PM
Its not the change in the programs that is the issue for me. Its making changes DURING events and DURING existing bonus months that is screwing people into spending money they otherwise wouldn't have spent.

Agreed. Highly unethical and despicable to make such changes in-flight.

I have no qualms with the changes, just the way they are implemented.

just spend within your means and enjoy the ride. If you're too pissed off, play free or just walk away.

Dr Girlfriend
10-09-2013, 06:24 PM
I'm sure everyone who sent in a ticket has received the canned Gree response by now. I'm sure the reason they asked you to put "Gold Bonus" in the ticket's title was to help them get their form letter out to everyone as quickly as possible.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how the game was unbalanced because of the bonus program, and how this particular change somehow restores balance. Best as I can tell, the people willing to spend $5k a month remain unaffected, as do the people who were never in the program. The people feeling the crunch are those in the $500-$2k range. I can't for the life of me figure out how squeezing that middle tier of players somehow restores balance. All I can see it doing is unbalance the game further between the big money players and everyone else.

Maybe a mod can post an explanation of this imbalance "fix" in this thread. That would be something.

Laelia
10-09-2013, 07:16 PM
seems that every change angers somebody.....this one applies to a group of elite players and they'll still be elite....numbers will change, positions won't

DannyD
10-09-2013, 07:51 PM
PS4 is coming soon.....

Probably bundles with a top of the line game for less than the first tier here, and on top of that, for less than a vault, you can buy another controller, and play with a friend. Imagine the joy you will have. Every 3 weeks you can buy a new game for less than the cost of a vault and guess what? You'll have an actual asset in the end. Those games can be traded and sold back, as can the system itself. Not to mention its a blu Ray, Internet machine with the ability to do so much more...

Tapping into submission here...

ILikeTheAbuse
10-09-2013, 08:28 PM
Why? Someone have a gun to your head?

I believe they are called shareholders.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/03/social-gaming-company-gree-offering-buyouts-to-200-employees/

Asvaldr
10-09-2013, 08:42 PM
I don't disagree with the changes overall I suppose however doing it after many players have bought gold for the month and making it retroactive I think is a bad move. Could have easily made it effective for November and ppl would know what they were buying rather then feeling ripped off.

True. For the sake of sound business and transparency, GREE has crossed the line here. You don't announce the change after many of players have made the transactions relying on the already existing rules. Sure, GREE has the right to change the Bonus Program anytime, but must be fair and transparent business practice. And with this one GREE loses the case!!

ablankone
10-09-2013, 08:43 PM
Such a brilliant point. And totally right!!! Hold buying gold and consider spending the money on:

- PS4
- Handing it to an old lady who's rummaging around at the bottom of her purse so she can treat herself and her husband to a couple of pork chops
- Placing it into a local charity where your donation makes a massive difference to them as they struggle to treat, home and feed abandoned or abused animals
- Feeding your kids, treating the wife/husband, anything that enhances/enriches the more tangible aspects of your life


... or of course you could always just continue throwing your money to a bunch of shareholders and staffies that don't give you a fair hearing, product or service.


Probably bundles with a top of the line game for less than the first tier here, and on top of that, for less than a vault, you can buy another controller, and play with a friend. Imagine the joy you will have. Every 3 weeks you can buy a new game for less than the cost of a vault and guess what? You'll have an actual asset in the end. Those games can be traded and sold back, as can the system itself. Not to mention its a blu Ray, Internet machine with the ability to do so much more...

Tapping into submission here...

TMI
10-09-2013, 08:52 PM
I believe they are called shareholders.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/03/social-gaming-company-gree-offering-buyouts-to-200-employees/
Hmmmmm.
I don't know what the GREE gold bonus change has to do with helping you find the ideal bra :confused:
:D

DannyD
10-09-2013, 09:30 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/3632:JP

At the top of the page, you'll note Gree's one year return is an ode to the 2008 financial crisis.

Half way down the page shows the income statement. Just look at the line representing profit margin. Wow... Anyone up for some skiing?

BBW
10-09-2013, 09:50 PM
GREE what are you guys doing???

It makes now sense how many bad secessions can you make ?????

I don't understand what you are thinking ...how will this help it only drives the best away

ablankone
10-09-2013, 10:31 PM
Kamikaze stuff Danny. Makes you wonder when they'll pull the plug on the game.

... this latest change to Gold bonuses is the extra reason I needed to get back to free gaming.

Thanks for saving me USD2000 p/m Gree. You're the best.



http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/3632:JP

At the top of the page, you'll note Gree's one year return is an ode to the 2008 financial crisis.

Half way down the page shows the income statement. Just look at the line representing profit margin. Wow... Anyone up for some skiing?

CohibAA
10-09-2013, 11:17 PM
Probably bundles with a top of the line game for less than the first tier here, and on top of that, for less than a vault, you can buy another controller, and play with a friend. Imagine the joy you will have. Every 3 weeks you can buy a new game for less than the cost of a vault and guess what? You'll have an actual asset in the end. Those games can be traded and sold back, as can the system itself. Not to mention its a blu Ray, Internet machine with the ability to do so much more...

Tapping into submission here...

I feel bad for all the friends I have met in CC that seem to keep getting screwed by GREE. Great post DannyD.

This game is very fun, but watching its management is like watching a train wreck.

IBTL
10-09-2013, 11:58 PM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

Stfu. 10-0 Loser! 👊👊😂😂

Christurbo
10-10-2013, 12:30 AM
And just to rub it in I just received $10,000 on a scratcher! Haha!! thanks Gree!

M.C.
10-10-2013, 12:30 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

If you agree to this you do it because you do not have an option. So please do not expect too much applause for your genorosity of not cancelling the whole program.

But how can you announce such a substantial change on the 9th? You know excatly that people bought gold already and some did it to hit a certain tier. The lucky ones are those who spend not more than 500$ or those who spend 10,000$. The latter seem to be a minority...

You have been bashed for poor customer support in the past but this is a new level to say F**K you to your customers.

good luck GREE, you will need it with your business sense...

Vito Corleone
10-10-2013, 12:42 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.A&F and CJ you have not explained why the tiers have been changed...is it because GREEs financial situation? You will loose a lot of players because of this. Perhaps that's what you want? CC has an old platform and you have a lot of new games...you want CC to die and the players to move to other games.

Vito Corleone
10-10-2013, 12:43 AM
But I have quitted the games so I don't really care any more...but for the remaining CC community this is a heavy blow.

Captain Torgue
10-10-2013, 01:09 AM
For the record Gree claim they can change the bonus program at any time so you have to think whats next. According to the terms of service when you download the game on iphone and android they can also remove all your items from the game, ban you from the game, remove the gold on hand as well without any notice or reason specified.

Makes you wonder what is next.

kuksluk
10-10-2013, 03:54 AM
For the record Gree claim they can change the bonus program at any time so you have to think whats next. According to the terms of service when you download the game on iphone and android they can also remove all your items from the game, ban you from the game, remove the gold on hand as well without any notice or reason specified.

Makes you wonder what is next.

Makes you wonder what's in it for them?
Driving paying customers away...

Dipstik
10-10-2013, 04:13 AM
Makes you wonder what's in it for them?
Driving paying customers away...

They're giving away less gold for free, obviously. Someone decided this was important to the bottom line.

Brendan
10-10-2013, 04:49 AM
That's it, I bought enough gold to get what I thought would be a decent bonus. Now it's a rubbish bonus. At some point soon I will take a deep breath and uninstall this game from my phone. I'll have withdrawal symptoms for a few days but then I can get back to spending my time and money doing more interesting and productive things.

Fight Club can then spend all the money they want fighting the free players.

Vito Corleone
10-10-2013, 04:56 AM
That's it, I bought enough gold to get what I thought would be a decent bonus. Now it's a rubbish bonus. At some point soon I will take a deep breath and uninstall this game from my phone. I'll have withdrawal symptoms for a few days but then I can get back to spending my time and money doing more interesting and productive things.

Fight Club can then spend all the money they want fighting the free players.Not all in FC are millionaires...

The Lurker
10-10-2013, 08:40 AM
Why is the gold bonus nerf in CC only? MW has to be by far the most unbalanced game and old tiers in place.

[CM]]forgetaboutit
10-10-2013, 08:41 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

A&F
I was wondering about our spending during the start of the month
Seeing alot of us bought prior to this announcement
Wouldn't we be put in the old program as that is where our money was spent
Just Sayin

cc thunder
10-10-2013, 09:23 AM
I heard about this movie called ban hammer, it seems like several people on this forum have already seen it, hopefully not too many more will see it though , in the movie people bring up standard individual views and topics then all of a sudden disappear, really weird but not as scary is they try to make it out to be kind of lame, I couldn't imagine if a company ran the same way as the movie I would see it tanking before too long

montecore
10-10-2013, 11:14 AM
]forgetaboutit;1023398']A&F
I was wondering about our spending during the start of the month
Seeing alot of us bought prior to this announcement
Wouldn't we be put in the old program as that is where our money was spent
Just Sayin

Not according to the terms and conditions. You should thank Gree. They could have changed it on the 31st.

Vile Lynn
10-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

Why do I get the feeling this is a ploy to distract us from the actual game issues that are really making players angry?

[CM]]forgetaboutit
10-10-2013, 01:01 PM
Why do I get the feeling this is a ploy to distract us from the actual game issues that are really making players angry?

What issues they are all fixed :p

Yancool
10-10-2013, 02:43 PM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

I don't mind you changing the rules, but do it with respect for your players, who has been working hard to spend whatever amount they use in the game. Most of the anger here is not directed at the change it selves, but the way you have done it.

It all fairness you should either have send this email on the last day of September, counting for October purchases, or make it effective in November. Many have been spending money on gold they used in the war in the weekend, even bought a few vaults on discount for the LTQ and whatever comes in the next couple of weeks.

Had you send out the email just before the war, the points would have been much lower as everybody would have been holding off. The anger you expected was a different one, then the one you got, but why are we not surprised?

The things Gree throw at the users will make people angry, disillusioned, quit, hurt your brand, play other games, play for free. I think it's time you sit down and say what can we do for the players, and not what can we do against the players!

Only place I have seen more frustration is in EA forum, and that's certainly not a good second place.

mxz
10-10-2013, 03:07 PM
From everything I've gathered...the decision was made because Gree (wrongly) saw this as a rampant gold inflation problem (probably being B&M'd about by free players).

Yet again, they miss the mark on where the inflation lies (hint to devs: it's the stats of items you give out) and the responsible party (hint to devs: it's not us, it's you).

montecore
10-10-2013, 03:23 PM
I don't mind you changing the rules, but do it with respect for your players, who has been working hard to spend whatever amount they use in the game. Most of the anger here is not directed at the change it selves, but the way you have done it.

It all fairness you should either have send this email on the last day of September, counting for October purchases, or make it effective in November. Many have been spending money on gold they used in the war in the weekend, even bought a few vaults on discount for the LTQ and whatever comes in the next couple of weeks.

Had you send out the email just before the war, the points would have been much lower as everybody would have been holding off. The anger you expected was a different one, then the one you got, but why are we not surprised?

The things Gree throw at the users will make people angry, disillusioned, quit, hurt your brand, play other games, play for free. I think it's time you sit down and say what can we do for the players, and not what can we do against the players!

Only place I have seen more frustration is in EA forum, and that's certainly not a good second place.

I am becoming more and more convinced that the company and game are some sort of clinical psychological research project, and the current MO is seeing just how much the users will tolerate. The rampant hilarity of how they screwed up the previous battle and now changing the agreement in the most unfair way/time possible really leaves few other options.

The best part is the concept that this is being done to balance out the competitive nature of the game. But with the 5K and 10K bonuses staying the same, do you really think the people buying that much will spend less? Or the stat items will suddenly go back to 300/300 being incredibly badass?

What this will do is make the very top players even more untouchable than they are now and crush the middle class.

GU7 F4WK3S
10-10-2013, 03:50 PM
I am becoming more and more convinced that the company and game are some sort of clinical psychological research project, and the current MO is seeing just how much the users will tolerate. The rampant hilarity of how they screwed up the previous battle and now changing the agreement in the most unfair way/time possible really leaves few other options.

Look up the 'Skinner Box' and you'll definitely find parallels. Difference being we actually pay to be experimented on.

lordsagacity
10-10-2013, 05:21 PM
Hey guys, we expected a lot of people to be angry about this. It was either make the changes or remove the program entirely, so we went with this. Keep in mind that it's a courtesy program we don't have to run at all, and we give out free stuff. Anyone that enrolled agreed to us making changes at any time.

I understand that you do not have to run the program, but players do not have to pay. Waiters do not have to serve well and customers do not have to pay tips.

cooch
10-10-2013, 06:59 PM
Gree has sustainability issues as an ongoing concern with the key business area of Japan. It cannot recover and launch a new product line quick enough, or is buying time to do so, to get back in touch with the fickle changes of its paying customers in Japan.

Typical of any major corporation they have first cut costs where they can especially in satellite countries and divisions including Funzio/US. Also typical is the last cuts are beginning at HQ. Seems to be happening in Japan HQ now in at least larger numbers.

Funzio, while probably an expensive acquisition, is probably one of the best assets Gree has in sales, CF, GM and growth. So now it is time to come after the Gree customers. Price increases are not going to work in the competitive app world that Funzio plays in. So the first pass is to reduce or eliminate the discount program. Since Funzio mgmt does not know the net affect it will launch this test balloon in its oldest platform game which also happens to create the least revenue of the Big Three apps. If it works, that is the net loss is not significant, it will be applied in the other two platform games. Don't fool yourself. Organic growth by Gree is gone and they need to squeeze profits and beat costs out of all assets. The future for Gree is in Funzio applications as long as they don't try to import Japanese tastes across the board in international games. Hello Kitty type games are for kids not adults.

The issue, however, is masked by Funzio decisions if this fails. The stat inflation has hit the breaking point for at least some gold spenders, in particular, long time players (over one year). Perhaps the player substitution is working and it is a long term strategy to unwind long term whale players with new whales. Perhaps not because all paying customer losses add up. Plus real players use syndicate 3rd party apps to pass on historical information from old whales to new whales about game, funzio, and concerns. Darn thing is that many players spend gold in MW, KA and CC or free in CC but spend in KA and/or MW. We talk and are concerned. Not sure how many will jump to Beta games when live including beta testers based on current business strategies.

Surely you can understand if one spends a vault for events a year ago had value for probably a month. With stat inflation it was a week and now is about a day until next event starts. Surely you must understand except for the .5% players that have spend without abandon there is a limit to most of us spenders for pixel entertainment. It must be impacting your revenues as we are seeing the spenders leave syndicates. Old whales replaced by new whales is a good strategy but I think the new whales won't play as long and are getting wise to this.

The other issues causing paying customers to quit is the significant amount of events where it has taken more RL time than expect, desired, or tolerated by the individual or the ones around them. This needs no explanation. The life expectancy of spenders must be declining and the new whales will probably be around for less than a year. Understand you must manage for short term results in a short term business product but you've gone past tolerance rate of some and that number will grow.

The issues of reliability of platform and numerous gree mistakes to this issue is non sequitur. You had technical issues in game pre-stat inflation, pre-numerous events, we whined but we played then and now. I doubt you lost many, if any, spending players for technical issues. So this issue is ongoing and not germane to issue. You also have demonstrated the desire to make up for event issues cause by you two wars and most of us thank you for that. Can't please everyone.

So I offer no advice as not my place. Just know that paying customers are watching what Gree and Funzio will do and more may follow the early deserters. At least convert to non-paying customers. Still got to think conversion of paying to free is the worst accomplishment. The Funzio created issues need to be addressed fairly soon but that's your call.

Last some disclosure. I am not a Whale Class Gold Spender. More like Seal Class. Most of your spenders are in this class. We are your customers. This forum tends to be dominated by the Sardine Class. That is the players that don't pay for the game but whine a lot about everything Funzio and gloat or berate your paying customers. They don't add value in relationship to their contributions to the game or your business.

We hope you make some positive adjustments to game and tread carefully on pricing model both in gold program and list/sales pricing for us Sardines.

Thanks for listening.

mxz
10-11-2013, 08:20 AM
Did you really expect people to read that? :eek:

Molly's Voice
10-11-2013, 08:50 AM
Did you really expect people to read that? :eek:

I started to, but fell asleep at "sustainability".

aron
10-11-2013, 09:27 AM
If im right this bonus changes will probably only affect top 25 teams, and some top 50, but not top 1-5?.. i dont see the logix..

Dipstik
10-11-2013, 09:31 AM
If im right this bonus changes will probably only affect top 25 teams, and some top 50, but not top 1-5?.. i dont see the logix..

Maybe they want to eliminate the middle ground to encourage the low-level bonus participants to become high-level participants?

bald zeemer
10-11-2013, 09:35 AM
Maybe they want to eliminate the middle ground to encourage the low-level bonus participants to become high-level participants?

I'm positive that you're right. Gree seem not to realise that the pool of people willing and able to spend 5-10k a month is actually quite limited. It would explain the supreme disinterest they show in treating these spenders with such disrespect. Maybe Gree should look at how many people on their own payroll could afford to play at this level.

TMI
10-11-2013, 09:51 AM
If im right this bonus changes will probably only affect top 25 teams, and some top 50, but not top 1-5?.. i dont see the logix..

No. I think you're overestimating how much ppl pay into this.
This change WILL affect all teams. i'd guess maybe 20-50% of FC will be affected.
About 50-80% of SAS
up to 90% of RG
and almost 100% of all other teams down. Those top10 syndicate players who aren't affected by this change, will probably move up to FC, SAS, SAS2, or RG.

Essentially the question is how many players will spend 5K or more in one shot. Answer, almost noone, maybe around 100 players max. realistically, i'd say around 50 players.

If anyone has other estimates, please let me know, but that's my guess.

bald zeemer
10-11-2013, 09:55 AM
TMI, I think that even you have overestimated the spending. I'd say maybe 10 people in FC, 4-5 in SAS and maybe another 5 people. A few others will do a one-off big month.

TMI
10-11-2013, 10:41 AM
wow.
so maybe 20 ppl max? i wonder how many of the under 5k spenders would switch to 5k? maybe another 5 players?
this really is an odd move by GREE (assuming the purpose is to maximize revenue)
To be honest, i would guess some of the 4-5 in SAS might go to FC, and the other 5 might go there to.
but who knows. so much movement of players has been going around lately!

dispohero
10-11-2013, 10:52 AM
if you're Gree, the change make complete cents (shout out to oderus urungus!).

after the initial onslaught of disgruntled players, in some of the tiers, that are vocal here in the forums, you get to hand out less freebies to new customers who have no clue things were changed. not only that, you expect to get less freegold-riders, who spent 2k every few months, and hopefully replace them with a steadier stream of income each month.

SNEAKERJUNKY
10-11-2013, 10:57 AM
It's called math, look it up.

dispohero
10-11-2013, 11:04 AM
math (mhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifth) n. (used with a sing. verb) The study of the measurement, properties, and relationships of quantities and sets, using numbers and symbols.

[CM]]forgetaboutit
10-11-2013, 12:14 PM
if you're Gree, the change make complete cents (shout out to oderus urungus!).

after the initial onslaught of disgruntled players, in some of the tiers, that are vocal here in the forums, you get to hand out less freebies to new customers who have no clue things were changed. not only that, you expect to get less freegold-riders, who spent 2k every few months, and hopefully replace them with a steadier stream of income each month.

That would account for quite a few people(200-300 is my guess) and when most of these 2k spenders stop spending due to a very large change in their gold bonus Gree dy will probably fold this game as it not being profitable anymore
Remember when it was vaults purchased regardless of $ value or game, that changed and so did game spending

kuksluk
10-11-2013, 03:27 PM
if you're Gree, the change make complete cents (shout out to oderus urungus!).

after the initial onslaught of disgruntled players, in some of the tiers, that are vocal here in the forums, you get to hand out less freebies to new customers who have no clue things were changed. not only that, you expect to get less freegold-riders, who spent 2k every few months, and hopefully replace them with a steadier stream of income each month.

I think a lot of players were doing the $2k tier every 3rd month or so due to the illusion of it being a "good deal".
I'm sure, now that illusion is gone, they won't switch to $1-2k/month. I don't think Gree believes that either...

The new bonus tiers hardly give any illusion of being a "good deal". I sincerely doubt it will lure any significant amount of new players into becoming high rollers like the old program did.

This change can't affect spending any other way than negatively.

The questions remain...
What is the purpose? (knowing it will decrease spending)
Why does the change only affect CC?
And why do it in such an blatantly provocative manner?

dispohero
10-11-2013, 05:12 PM
]forgetaboutit;1025001']That would account for quite a few people(200-300 is my guess) and when most of these 2k spenders stop spending due to a very large change in their gold bonus Gree dy will probably fold this game as it not being profitable anymore
lol at you thinking its the 2k every few month buyer carrying gree


I think a lot of players were doing the $2k tier every 3rd month or so due to the illusion of it being a "good deal".
I'm sure, now that illusion is gone, they won't switch to $1-2k/month. I don't think Gree believes that either...
The new bonus tiers hardly give any illusion of being a "good deal". I sincerely doubt it will lure any significant amount of new players into becoming high rollers like the old program did.

This change can't affect spending any other way than negatively.

The questions remain...
What is the purpose? (knowing it will decrease spending)
Why does the change only affect CC?
And why do it in such an blatantly provocative manner?
of course this change won't make 2k every few month spenders into 1-2k every month. nobody ever said that. in relative terms, i expect that a handful of those players will quit altogether, some will reduce their spending, a few will stay the same, and a small fraction of them will actually increase their spending.

the point is to get away from the inconsistent income stream of $2k this month and nothing for the next 1-2 and move more towards the $500 every month players. gree completely expects some of the current $2k every few month spenders to turn into $3-4-500 every month players, and i tend to agree. then you add in the new players that come along, who are getting less freebies than we are now, but they have no clue. they just think they are getting a cool bonus of gold for spending they would already have done. Gree give up some short term cash and ill will for a better long term model.

don't get me wrong, i do have an issue with the way it was done. they certainly caused themselves some extra unnecessary grief and bad press, that is well deserved. i just tend to think the decision ultimately makes sense for them.

i have no doubt this will hit MW and KA too. they just can't do that all at once or they may upset too many players at one time.

BigMoney
10-11-2013, 05:26 PM
the point is to get away from the inconsistent income stream of $2k this month and nothing for the next 1-2 and move more towards the $500 every month players. gree completely expects some of the current $2k every few month spenders to turn into $3-4-500 every month players, and i tend to agree. then you add in the new players that come along, who are getting less freebies than we are now, but they have no clue. they just think they are getting a cool bonus of gold for spending they would already have done. Gree give up some short term cash and ill will for a better long term model.

That doesn't make any sense. If I have the money for a $2k bonus every other month, I certainly have the money for $500 every month-- except now, I'm even less inclined to spend it, because I am getting considerably less for my money. If I'm concerned simply with gold value (which I am), I'd still be getting a better deal with a $1k or $2k bonus than a $500 bonus. The only reason I would switch to a $500 bonus would be to simply have gold for battles, and if I'm only spending gold for battles, it's probably because I'm on the verge of quitting and am only spending out of loyalty to my syndicate. You're counting on new spenders to pick up some serious slack, which I doubt will happen. GREE will lose far more in players quitting than they will make up with spenders moving up to the $5k tier.

kuksluk
10-12-2013, 07:07 AM
lol at you thinking its the 2k every few month buyer carrying gree

the point is to get away from the inconsistent income stream of $2k this month and nothing for the next 1-2 and move more towards the $500 every month players. gree completely expects some of the current $2k every few month spenders to turn into $3-4-500 every month players, and i tend to agree. then you add in the new players that come along, who are getting less freebies than we are now, but they have no clue. they just think they are getting a cool bonus of gold for spending they would already have done. Gree give up some short term cash and ill will for a better long term model.

don't get me wrong, i do have an issue with the way it was done. they certainly caused themselves some extra unnecessary grief and bad press, that is well deserved. i just tend to think the decision ultimately makes sense for them.

i have no doubt this will hit MW and KA too. they just can't do that all at once or they may upset too many players at one time.

You're absolutely right about the hundreds (I'd say anywhere between 300-600) of players buying into the gold bonus program above $500 not carrying Gree, but I still do think that the main reason anyone got in on the program was because buying gold (more than the occasional vault) finally "made sense" with the somewhat generous bonus offer.

I for one wasn't spending any serious dough on this game before I enrolled the bonus program. The offer they had did make it interesting enough for me to spend more cash than I ever expected I would on a mobile game.
The new tiers will not have the same impact on new players.

Having a bonus (loyalty) program is supposed to encourage regular and bigger spending, but the program must be good enough to entice this behaviour. Effectively what they're doing is actually moving away from continuous spending, towards smaller amounts and irregular purchases, not what you're suggesting increasing the regular monthly spending.

What also puzzles me is their explanation that the game has become skewed.
I play MW, the most skewed game of them all, yet they still think it's a good idea to keep handing out 25% attack/defence boosts to the top teams in every war event. They don't seem to have any plan of levelling the playing field there, do they?